Esther Richards takes the stage - preaching John 9:1 - 10:42 from the other side of the world in our most visually stunning talk yet!
Join us as we journey through the story of a blind man being one of the most important witnesses in the world.
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This topic is part of the Origin series where we look at the birth of the church and ask why this Man, Jesus, from 2000 years ago still has a major impact on the world today.
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Dan Orange:Yes.
Dan Orange:Doing very good thanks.
Dan Orange:Had a good week, half term kids have been off.
Dan Orange:Mm-hmm.
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Anna Kettle:Yeah, we've had, um, yeah, in the UK it's been
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Anna Kettle:and got on the beach and Oh wow.
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Anna Kettle:That pushing that is just pushing out my North Wales trip, isn't it?
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Esther Richards:Hello from Sunny Lord Howe Island in Australia,
Esther Richards:I'm Esther and we're gonna be looking today at John 9 and 10.
Esther Richards:So first I'm gonna look at John 9.
Esther Richards:I'm just gonna read it out for you.
Esther Richards:Jesus heals a man born blind.
Esther Richards:As he passed by, its Jesus.
Esther Richards:He saw a man blind from birth and his disciples asked him, Rabbi, who sinned?
Esther Richards:This man or his parents that he was born blind?
Esther Richards:Jesus answered.
Esther Richards:It was not that this man sinned or his parents, but that the works
Esther Richards:of God might be displayed in him.
Esther Richards:We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day.
Esther Richards:Night is coming when no one can work.
Esther Richards:As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
Esther Richards:Having said these things, he sat on the ground and made mud with the saliva.
Esther Richards:Then he anointed the man's eyes with the mud and said to him, Go wash in
Esther Richards:the pool of Siloam, which means sent.
Esther Richards:So he went and washed and came back seeing.
Esther Richards:The neighbors and those who had seen him before as a beggar were saying, Is this
Esther Richards:not the man who used to sit and beg?
Esther Richards:Some said it is he.
Esther Richards:Others said No, but he is like him.
Esther Richards:He kept saying, I am the man.
Esther Richards:So they said to him, Then how were your eyes opened?
Esther Richards:He answered.
Esther Richards:The man called Jesus made mud, anointed and anointed my eyes and
Esther Richards:said to me, Go to Siloam and wash.
Esther Richards:So I went and washed and received my sight.
Esther Richards:They said to him, Where is he?
Esther Richards:He said, I do not know.
Esther Richards:They brought to the Pharisees, the man who had formally been blind.
Esther Richards:Now it was a Sabbath day when Jesus made the mud and opened his eyes.
Esther Richards:So the Pharisees again asked him how he had received his sight and
Esther Richards:he said to them, He put mud on my eyes and I washed and I see.
Esther Richards:Some of the Pharisees said, This man is not from God for
Esther Richards:he does not keep the Sabbath.
Esther Richards:But others said, How can a man who is sinner do such signs?
Esther Richards:And there was a division among them.
Esther Richards:So they said again to the blind man, What do you say about him
Esther Richards:since he has opened your eyes?
Esther Richards:He said he is a prophet.
Esther Richards:The Jews did not believe, the Jews did not believe that he had been blind
Esther Richards:and had received his sight until they called the parents of the man who had
Esther Richards:received his sight and asked them, Is this your son who you say was born blind?
Esther Richards:How then does he now see?
Esther Richards:His parents answered, We know that this is our son and that he was born blind.
Esther Richards:But how he now sees, we do not know, nor do we know who opened his eyes.
Esther Richards:Ask him, He is of age.
Esther Richards:He will speak for himself.
Esther Richards:His parents said these things because they feared the Jews.
Esther Richards:For the Jews had already agreed if anyone should confess, to confess
Esther Richards:Jesus, to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.
Esther Richards:Therefore, his parents said he is of age ask him.
Esther Richards:So for the second time, they called the man who had been blind and
Esther Richards:said to him, Give glory to God.
Esther Richards:We know that this man is a sinner.
Esther Richards:He answered whether he is a sinner.
Esther Richards:I do not know.
Esther Richards:One thing I do know that though I was blind, but now I see.
Esther Richards:They said to him, What did he do to you?
Esther Richards:How did he open your eyes?
Esther Richards:He answered this.
Esther Richards:I have told you already, and you would not listen.
Esther Richards:Why do you want to hear it again?
Esther Richards:Do you also want to become his disciples?
Esther Richards:And they reviled him saying, You are his disciple.
Esther Richards:But we are disciples of Moses.
Esther Richards:We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we
Esther Richards:do not know where he comes from.
Esther Richards:And the man answered Well, here is an amazing thing.
Esther Richards:You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes.
Esther Richards:We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is a worshiper of
Esther Richards:God and does his will, God listens to him.
Esther Richards:Never since the world began has it been heard that anyone opened
Esther Richards:the eyes of a man born blind.
Esther Richards:If this man were not from God, he could do nothing.
Esther Richards:They answered him.
Esther Richards:You were born and up to sin, and you would teach us?
Esther Richards:And they cast him out.
Esther Richards:Jesus heard that they had cast him out and having found him, he said,
Esther Richards:Do you believe in the son of man?
Esther Richards:He answered, And who is he, sir that I may believe in him?
Esther Richards:Jesus said to him, You have seen him and it is he who is speaking to you.
Esther Richards:He said, Lord, I believe, and he worshiped him.
Esther Richards:Jesus said, For judgment I came into this.
Esther Richards:But those who do not see, may see, and those who see may become blind.
Esther Richards:Some of the Pharisees near him heard these things and said to him, Are we also blind?
Esther Richards:Jesus said to them, If you are blind, you would have no guilt.
Esther Richards:But now that you say, we see, your guilt remains.
Esther Richards:So in this chapter, We see Jesus healing a man who was born blind.
Esther Richards:Jesus does this in seem a quite strange way.
Esther Richards:He spits on the grounds and makes mud with saliva with his saliva and rubs
Esther Richards:that mud on the man's eyes and sends the man to go to the pool of Siloam to
Esther Richards:wash, which he did and he was healed.
Esther Richards:So it's a pretty amazing healing.
Esther Richards:Then there's this whole kerfuffle about it with the Pharisees afterwards, and
Esther Richards:they're questioning how it happened.
Esther Richards:They ask the man who was healed, they ask his parents, they ask the man who was
Esther Richards:healed again, and in the end it becomes a conversation about who Jesus actually is.
Esther Richards:The Pharisees are saying that surely Jesus cannot be from God.
Esther Richards:Cuz the day that he performed this healing was the Sabbath day or the
Esther Richards:Jewish Holy Day where they're not supposed to do any work, and they reckon
Esther Richards:that healing somebody counts as work.
Esther Richards:So if he doesn't keep the Sabbath, then surely he's a sinner.
Esther Richards:Surely he can't be from God.
Esther Richards:The parents of the man, uh, when asked are too afraid to say who
Esther Richards:they think Jesus is in case they get cast out of the synagogue.
Esther Richards:So the man who was healed then explains what he knows and
Esther Richards:what his experience has been.
Esther Richards:And he does that in verses 25 to 33 where he says, um, whether
Esther Richards:he is a sinner I do not know.
Esther Richards:One thing I do know though that though I was blind, now I see.
Esther Richards:And then he continues on to kind of talk about why he thinks who
Esther Richards:Jesus is, who he says he is.
Esther Richards:Um, because he talks about, you know, we, we've never seen a man, uh, who's
Esther Richards:been blind from birth to be to see again, people can't do that surely.
Esther Richards:And we know that God speaks to his people and speaks to good people.
Esther Richards:So he kind of uses his own logic to, um, see what he knows, see what
Esther Richards:he's experienced, and understand who Jesus is, who he believes
Esther Richards:Jesus has revealed himself to be.
Esther Richards:So this gets him cast out of his synagogue and Jesus hears about
Esther Richards:this and goes to talk to him, and Jesus then explains to the man who
Esther Richards:he is, which is in verses 35 to 38.
Esther Richards:All right.
Esther Richards:I'm just gonna read again.
Esther Richards:Jesus heard that they had cast him out and having found him, he said,
Esther Richards:Do you believe in the son of man?
Esther Richards:He answered, And who is he, sir?
Esther Richards:That I may believe in him.
Esther Richards:Jesus said to him, You have seen him.
Esther Richards:It is he who is speaking to you.
Esther Richards:He said, Lord, I believe, and he worshiped him.
Esther Richards:You have seen him.
Esther Richards:It is he who is speaking to you.
Esther Richards:Jesus is basically saying, It's me.
Esther Richards:I'm here.
Esther Richards:You've seen me, you can hear me.
Esther Richards:And the Pharisees got so caught up in the law and all the technicalities,
Esther Richards:and ticking the boxes and getting the days right that they miss Jesus.
Esther Richards:Don't get caught up.
Esther Richards:Don't get distracted by religion, by ticking boxes, by
Esther Richards:trying to get everything right.
Esther Richards:And miss who Jesus really is and who he's calling you to be, He has
Esther Richards:already revealed himself to you.
Esther Richards:The whole of the Bible is Jesus revealing himself and his nature.
Esther Richards:You have seen him.
Esther Richards:It is he who is speaking to you.
Esther Richards:That is relevant for all of us even now.
Esther Richards:We can also learn a whole lot from the response of the no longer blind man.
Esther Richards:The way the man responds to the questioning of the Pharisees is a really
Esther Richards:beautiful example of being a witness.
Esther Richards:We know that we are called to be witnesses to Jesus and to who Jesus is,
Esther Richards:and we see it many times in the Bible.
Esther Richards:I'm just gonna give you a few examples.
Esther Richards:So we see it a few times in Acts in chapter one, verse eight, which says,
Esther Richards:But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come up on you, and you'll
Esther Richards:be my witnesses in all Jerusalem, in all Judea and Samaria to the end of the earth.
Esther Richards:You see it again in Acts chapter 22, verse 15, which says, For you will be a witness
Esther Richards:for him, to everyone of what you have seen and heard and earlier you see it in
Esther Richards:Isaiah 43, verse 10, You are my witnesses, declares the Lord, and my servant whom
Esther Richards:I have chosen that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He.
Esther Richards:Before me no God was formed nor shall there be any after me.
Esther Richards:You are my witnesses, declares the Lord.
Esther Richards:So we're told to be witnesses for Jesus and it's a vital part of God's
Esther Richards:mission of what he's calling us to.
Esther Richards:But how do we do that?
Esther Richards:Well, in acts 4:20.
Esther Richards:Um, it tells us a little bit how to do this very briefly and simply, but in a
Esther Richards:really simple and easy to understand way.
Esther Richards:It says for we cannot, but speak of what we have seen and heard.
Esther Richards:That's it.
Esther Richards:That's all it takes to be a witness is to speak of what we see and what we hear.
Esther Richards:So Acts four tells us how to do it.
Esther Richards:Um, and the man in this story in John shows us how to do it.
Esther Richards:Cause in verse 25, he says very simply.
Esther Richards:One thing I do know that though I was blind.
Esther Richards:Now I see.
Esther Richards:He even admits that he doesn't know the full extent of everything he says,
Esther Richards:whether he is a sinner, I do not know.
Esther Richards:He doesn't take a really long time researching and, and trying to make sure
Esther Richards:that he knows all the answers and has all the understanding and all the technical
Esther Richards:words and everything worked out perfectly.
Esther Richards:He just says what he knows and what he's experienced, and that's
Esther Richards:what it means to be a witness.
Esther Richards:That is what we are called to do as well, to be a witness.
Esther Richards:And this man is an excellent example of that.
Esther Richards:So I'm gonna move on to John chapter 10, um, which is a brilliant chapter.
Esther Richards:It's a classic, you probably heard many parts of it before.
Esther Richards:Um, it's entitled, I Am The Good Shepherd.
Esther Richards:I'm gonna especially talk.
Esther Richards:Well that, that aspect of it, of Jesus being the good
Esther Richards:shepherd, I'm just gonna read it.
Esther Richards:Truly, truly, I say to you, this is Jesus speaking.
Esther Richards:He who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs in by another
Esther Richards:way, That man is a thief and a robber.
Esther Richards:But he who enters ny the door is the shepherd of the sheep.
Esther Richards:To him the gatekeeper opens.
Esther Richards:The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.
Esther Richards:When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them and the sheep
Esther Richards:follow him for they know his voice.
Esther Richards:A stranger, they will not follow.
Esther Richards:They will flee from him for they do not know the voice of strangers.
Esther Richards:This figure of speech Jesus used with them, but they did not understand
Esther Richards:what he was saying to them.
Esther Richards:So Jesus said to them.
Esther Richards:So Jesus again said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door.
Esther Richards:All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the
Esther Richards:sheep did not listen to them.
Esther Richards:I am the door.
Esther Richards:If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture.
Esther Richards:The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
Esther Richards:I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
Esther Richards:I am the good shepherd.
Esther Richards:The good Shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
Esther Richards:He who is a hired hand and not a shepherd who does not own the sheep, sees the
Esther Richards:wolf coming, leaves the sheep and flees, and the wolf snatches and scatters them.
Esther Richards:He flees because he is a hired hand and cares nothing for the sheep.
Esther Richards:I am the good shepherd.
Esther Richards:I know my own and my own know me.
Esther Richards:Just as the father knows me and I know the father and I lay down my life for
Esther Richards:the sheep and I have other sheep that are not of this fold, I must bring them
Esther Richards:also and they will listen to my voice.
Esther Richards:So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Esther Richards:For this reason, the father loves me because I lay down my life
Esther Richards:that I may take it up again.
Esther Richards:No one takes it from me, but I lay it down at my own accord.
Esther Richards:I have authority to lay it down and I have authority to take it up again.
Esther Richards:This charge I have received from my father.
Esther Richards:There was again, a division among the Jews because of these words.
Esther Richards:Many of them said he has a demon and is insane.
Esther Richards:Why listen to him?
Esther Richards:Others said, these are not the words of one who is oppressed by a demon.
Esther Richards:Can a demonn open the eyes of the blind?
Esther Richards:At that time, the Feast of Dedication took place at Jerusalem.
Esther Richards:It was winter, and Jesus was walking in the temple in the colonnade of Solomon.
Esther Richards:So the Jews gathered around him and said to him, How long
Esther Richards:will you keep us in suspense?
Esther Richards:If you are the Christ, tell us plainly.
Esther Richards:Jesus answered them.
Esther Richards:I told you, and you do not believe.
Esther Richards:The works that I do in my father's name bear Witness about.
Esther Richards:But you do not believe because you are not among my sheep.
Esther Richards:My sheep hear my voice and I know them, and they follow me.
Esther Richards:I give them eternal life and they will never perish.
Esther Richards:And no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Esther Richards:My father who has given them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to
Esther Richards:snatch them out of the father's hand.
Esther Richards:I and the father are one.
Esther Richards:The Jews picked up stones again to stone him.
Esther Richards:Jesus answered them.
Esther Richards:I have shown you many good works from the Father.
Esther Richards:For which of them are you going to stone me?
Esther Richards:The Jews answered him.
Esther Richards:It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you, but for blasphemy,
Esther Richards:because you being a man make yourself God.
Esther Richards:Jesus answered them is it not written in your law?
Esther Richards:I said, You are Gods, if he called them Gods, to whom the word of God
Esther Richards:came and scripture cannot be broken.
Esther Richards:Do you say of him whom the father consecrated and sent into the
Esther Richards:world you are blaspheming cuz I said, I am the son of God.
Esther Richards:If I'm not doing the works of my father, then do not believe me.
Esther Richards:But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works that
Esther Richards:you may know and understand the Father is in me, and I am in the Father.
Esther Richards:Again they sought to arrest him, but he escaped from their hand.
Esther Richards:He went away again across the Jordan to the place where John
Esther Richards:had been baptizing at first.
Esther Richards:And there he remained.
Esther Richards:And many came to him and they said, John did no sign.
Esther Richards:But everything that John said about this man was true and many believed him there.
Esther Richards:So it's chapter 10.
Esther Richards:So Jesus says that he is the good shepherd.
Esther Richards:That he is the good shepherd who will lay down his life for his sheep.
Esther Richards:And actually, it talks about how he chooses to lay down
Esther Richards:his life for his sheep.
Esther Richards:Says no one takes it from me.
Esther Richards:He's talking about laying down his life and giving up his life.
Esther Richards:He says, No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord.
Esther Richards:Jesus was not forced to die.
Esther Richards:Um, he was not made to do it.
Esther Richards:He wasn't bribed into it.
Esther Richards:He chose to die for you.
Esther Richards:It was always his choice.
Esther Richards:It was always in his control.
Esther Richards:Whether he wanted to do it said that he had the authority to lay his life down,
Esther Richards:and that's what it talks about in verse 18.
Esther Richards:This is clearly talking about what Jesus did on the cross,
Esther Richards:that he chose to die for you.
Esther Richards:Jesus always had the choice and he chose you.
Esther Richards:He desires to know you.
Esther Richards:Later in the chapter, he tells us, um, that it is he who gives us eternal
Esther Richards:life and no one can take that away.
Esther Richards:Verse 27 says, My sheep hear my voice and I know them and they follow me.
Esther Richards:And this is really similar to part in the last chapter where Jesus.
Esther Richards:Um, reveals himself to the healed man where he says It is me.
Esther Richards:It's he who has been talking, speaking to you, and the man believes and worships,
Esther Richards:he hears his voice and he follows him.
Esther Richards:This is a really clear call as to who we are supposed to be and
Esther Richards:what we are supposed to do in response to Jesus calling to us.
Esther Richards:Jesus is constantly revealing himself to us in the Bible, and this is our, this can
Esther Richards:be our only response to believe to hear.
Esther Richards:To listen, to believe, and to follow him.
Esther Richards:To fall down in worship.
Esther Richards:So I just wanted to make one last brief, very quick link,
Esther Richards:um, between these two chapters.
Esther Richards:In chapter nine, Jesus heals and reveals himself to one man.
Esther Richards:And in chapter 10, he is talking about his devotion to the whole flock of sheep.
Esther Richards:Jesus knows and loves us all as a group, every single one of us together.
Esther Richards:But he also knows and loves you as a distinct individual.
Esther Richards:He is always revealing himself to us because he wants you.
Esther Richards:He wants to know you, and he wants you to know him.
Esther Richards:Pay attention.
Esther Richards:Don't get caught up by other things.
Esther Richards:Know that you are loved, and be a witness to everything he is doing for you.
Anna Kettle:Wow.
Anna Kettle:Hey everyone.
Anna Kettle:Looking back, what did you think about the talk?
Dan Orange:It was amazing, wasn't it?
Dan Orange:I mean, yeah, as an aside, I think we should have wave noise at
Dan Orange:the background of all our talks.
Anna Kettle:It was kind relaxing, wasn't it?
Dan Orange:It was very relaxing.
Dan Orange:Um, yeah, But I thought it was a brilliant, brilliant talk.
Anna Kettle:Um, there was a lot of content in there, wasn't there,
Anna Kettle:because they covered two chapters of the Bible, so she had a lot to cover,
Anna Kettle:but just some amazing points in there.
Anna Kettle:I mean, what was kind of something that really struck you about it, Dan?
Dan Orange:I think, and I think you picked up on it in the comments as
Dan Orange:well, that right at the beginning, this, this man gets healed.
Dan Orange:He's blind from birth.
Dan Orange:He can now see, but all the Pharisees are worried about is
Dan Orange:Oh, but did he do it on Sabbath?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:And I think we can miss the amazingness of what happens trying
Dan Orange:to find fault and did someone break the rules or what's going on?
Dan Orange:And yeah, Well, a thing that they missed.
Dan Orange:This man's blind.
Dan Orange:And that's the secondary part of the, you know, the, the story, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:It's amazing, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:And you kind of think, Oh, the Pharisees are, they're such fools, Like they
Anna Kettle:always seem to miss it cause they're so stuck on their religious rules and,
Anna Kettle:and their sort of way of thinking.
Anna Kettle:But then I, then it, then when I sit back and think about it challenges me
Anna Kettle:because I think, well, maybe I'm not stuck on that kind of religiousness,
Anna Kettle:but we're all, we all have.
Anna Kettle:Kind of preexisting beliefs and views and way of seeing the world,
Anna Kettle:don't we, in our own lens and how we think about God and what he's doing
Anna Kettle:in the world, and who he can and can't use, and who he works through.
Anna Kettle:And, you know, we all have our biases, I think.
Anna Kettle:And it, it really challenges me to think, you know, it's exactly what Esther said.
Anna Kettle:Like, don't miss what God's doing right in front of you, because it doesn't fit
Anna Kettle:your narrow view of how you think God should work in your life or in someone
Anna Kettle:else's life or in the world around us.
Anna Kettle:I think so often what God's doing in the world doesn't necessarily
Anna Kettle:fit on the boundaries of what churches is or religion is.
Anna Kettle:And um, yeah, God's just so big, isn't he?
Anna Kettle:I don't think he fits in this of narrow boundaries of, you know,
Anna Kettle:human understanding full stop and yeah, kinda know that, but it's still
Anna Kettle:challenging to think about isn't it?
Dan Orange:Yeah, absolutely.
Dan Orange:And but the one, the one thing, one person it wasn't challenging
Dan Orange:for was the man that got healed.
Dan Orange:So when some, when God doesn't think in you or to you, or for you is that's when
Dan Orange:he was just a natural witness, wasn't he?
Dan Orange:He was like, Well, you know, I know that sinners don't do these things, so
Dan Orange:therefore he must have been from God.
Dan Orange:You know, look at me.
Dan Orange:I, I can see now.
Dan Orange:It was just, it flowed out of him because of what God had done for him.
Anna Kettle:Yeah, and I think, I think the other thing that really struck me
Anna Kettle:about the talk was when she started talking about the Good Shepherd in the
Anna Kettle:second chapter, and she talked about like how he chose to lay down his life.
Anna Kettle:Um, Like he did it of his own accord.
Anna Kettle:And I think, I'm just looking in the, the, um, comments bar actually.
Anna Kettle:And Nicolas said, um, when you think about how Jesus had a choice to go through what
Anna Kettle:he went through or not, and he, and he knew how much pain and abuse he would
Anna Kettle:suffer, and yet he still chose to do it and think that's it, isn't it That.
Anna Kettle:Just blows my mind.
Anna Kettle:And I know the cross is kind of at the center of our Christian faith, and I
Anna Kettle:know we know this stuff, but still, when you stop and consider it, it still,
Anna Kettle:it still blows my mind to be like, Oh, he didn't do it cause he had to do it.
Anna Kettle:You know?
Anna Kettle:He, he chose, he chose that way.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:He chose to lay down his life.
Anna Kettle:And that is it, it kind of blows my mind.
Anna Kettle:It, it's beyond, it's beyond my comprehension really.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:That kind of love and sacrifice.
Dan Orange:Dedication.
Dan Orange:Um, I don't think it's, um, he, yes, it is in, in, um, in John 10 as well.
Dan Orange:It says, Well, if there's a, a shepherd that's a hired shepherd,
Dan Orange:he doesn't have that commitment.
Dan Orange:You know, when, when a wolf comes, he just legs it, you know, let them, let
Dan Orange:them, let the wolf have the sheep.
Dan Orange:But he, he's got that personal responsibility.
Dan Orange:He, he's, God, he's a son.
Dan Orange:He couldn't, he, he chose to die for us, but didn't have to die for us.
Dan Orange:But then, yeah, His, his love for us caused him to do it.
Dan Orange:You know, it was like, there's probably theologians going to that, don't they?
Dan Orange:Did he, could he choose it really?
Dan Orange:Because he could not do it.
Dan Orange:But, but, but he did.
Dan Orange:He chose, and he did it for, he died for us.
Dan Orange:Amazing.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Quite mind blowing, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:It's like big stuff.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Um, the other thing that I found, um, just really good was like what she was
Anna Kettle:saying at the end about um, how Jesus is like, you know, goes back it linked
Anna Kettle:back to her original point, which is Jesus is always revealing himself and
Anna Kettle:so he was revealing himself, you know, through healing that blind man and yet.
Anna Kettle:Lots of the religious people around, didn't, didn't recognize, recognize how he
Anna Kettle:was working, didn't recognize the miracle he was doing right in front of their eyes.
Anna Kettle:They sort of missed it because were hung up on the wrong stuff and you
Anna Kettle:know, and there was that challenge at the end wasn't there to like pay
Anna Kettle:attention and like that, that kind of call that like Jesus is always
Anna Kettle:revealing himself, He's always working in the world, he's always doing stuff.
Anna Kettle:And like how much, how much are we paying attention?
Anna Kettle:How much do.
Anna Kettle:Do we see it?
Anna Kettle:Or how much do we miss kind of what God's doing right in front of us?
Anna Kettle:And that, that's challenging, isn't it?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah, absolutely.
Dan Orange:I mean, through John's gospel, he keeps revealing himself and he keeps speaking to
Dan Orange:different people, the Samaritan woman, and you know, I am the Messiah, um, the feed
Dan Orange:of the 5,000, and they're asking who he is and he keeps saying, You know, I'm God.
Dan Orange:And they say all these miracles of wonders and right back to that first
Dan Orange:point that they miss it because they're trying to nitpick and trying to find
Dan Orange:out, well, you know, does this, does this put me out of a job as a Pharisee?
Dan Orange:Am I, I, I, yeah.
Dan Orange:Will, am I, will I lose my standing if I side with this man?
Dan Orange:Um, yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:What are we going to, what we're gonna lose to side with Jesus?
Dan Orange:What's it worth losing?
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:It's a, it's a big thought, isn't it?
Anna Kettle:I, um, I obviously just think that whole thing of like paying attention to, you
Anna Kettle:know, just being, being sort of aware and paying attention and looking for where
Anna Kettle:God's at work in your sort of everyday.
Anna Kettle:I think it's something that I'm constantly challenged to do.
Anna Kettle:It's like you.
Anna Kettle:Like Jesus wasn't always working in the sort of like obvious places
Anna Kettle:in the synagogue or in the temple.
Anna Kettle:He, you know, in the religious spaces of his day, he was like, you know,
Anna Kettle:working with someone, you know, he's just sitting on the pavement.
Anna Kettle:He's a blind man or.
Anna Kettle:You know, he, he was teaching kind of crowds, um, who were passing by.
Anna Kettle:And I just, it makes me think like some, quite often God's at work in
Anna Kettle:the places where we least expect it or we're not necessarily looking for him.
Anna Kettle:So for me, I know, you know, I'm expecting God speaks to me when I work
Anna Kettle:into, walk into a church or, you know, maybe when I spend a bit of time reading
Anna Kettle:my Bible or when I come something like Crowd Church like this, I'm expecting
Anna Kettle:God to speak to me through the talk.
Anna Kettle:Like, how much do I pay attention in my day to day life as I'm walking
Anna Kettle:around working, taking my little one around, you know, whatever it is,
Anna Kettle:like doing the jobs around the house.
Anna Kettle:How much am I looking for God to be working when I'm on the
Anna Kettle:school run, or you know, in my everyday non-religious like space.
Anna Kettle:And that's the thing that always challenges me.
Anna Kettle:It's like, you know, God's, you know, the Bible shows us that God's really at work.
Anna Kettle:In those ordinary spaces and the everyday spaces of life and yeah,
Anna Kettle:that's, I find that challenging too.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Um, it's,
Dan Orange:I'm trying to form, form the question, but Yeah.
Dan Orange:I agree with you..
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:If God.
Dan Orange:Perhaps some of it comes back to religion, doesn't it?
Dan Orange:Even just in our, how we live our lives that, like you said, when we're reading
Dan Orange:a Bible, we expect God to speak to us.
Dan Orange:When we're at church, we do, and that's, Yeah, some it, it's good.
Dan Orange:Absolutely.
Dan Orange:But it can be that religion bit as well, that God surely speaks
Dan Orange:to us just in the day to day.
Dan Orange:Just when we're, like you say, just when we're out and about because he's.
Dan Orange:He doesn't confine himself to church.
Dan Orange:He doesn't confine himself to those dedicated times, which is, which is
Dan Orange:amazing that, that we serve a God.
Dan Orange:We don't serve religion, We don't serve a set of rules.
Dan Orange:We serve a living God.
Dan Orange:I love, Yeah, I love that.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Makes all the difference, doesn't it?
Anna Kettle:And I think that that call to pay attention as well.
Anna Kettle:It's, you know, it rings really true to me because, um, I think we live
Anna Kettle:in such a distracted age, don't we?
Anna Kettle:Like, you know, we just have a lot of entertainment and social media and.
Anna Kettle:You know, we, we we're always on our devices and our mobile phones, like
Anna Kettle:we're not, a lot of the time, we're not paying attention to what's in front
Anna Kettle:of us or to people who are in front of us or the things that are happening
Anna Kettle:in front of us, because we're kind of half somewhere else, aren't we?
Anna Kettle:We're always mm-hmm.
Anna Kettle:Multitasking and like technology's wonderful.
Anna Kettle:It's like, you know, enabling us to do this now and we've got people in
Anna Kettle:Australia and we've got people, I think we've got someone from Kenya.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:All sorts of places.
Anna Kettle:Wales, it's a great technology is such a blessing, but it's also like
Anna Kettle:because of so much of the technology we carry in our own pockets and
Anna Kettle:the ability to always be online and always be somewhere else, we also.
Anna Kettle:Can miss what's in front of us, can't we, in our day-to-day life?
Anna Kettle:And I am terribly guilty of that.
Anna Kettle:I am a very easily distracted person.
Anna Kettle:And um, you know, I do just think that challenge for me is massive
Anna Kettle:that, um, , you know, it, it's that thing of like, um, you know, do I
Anna Kettle:notice and am I making space for God in, in those everyday moments?
Anna Kettle:Because I think our culture and the way the world is now, it's,
Anna Kettle:it's harder and harder to be fully present, isn't it, in the moment
Anna Kettle:and with what's in front of you.
Anna Kettle:And I think, how much am I making space for God?
Anna Kettle:How much am I just filling every spare second my day, scrolling online or you.
Anna Kettle:When God could be speaking to me or be wanting to do something, and I
Anna Kettle:dunno, I find that that's a constant challenge to me at the moment.
Anna Kettle:I just, it's something I'm mulling on a lot.
Anna Kettle:I feel like we're not very present as a tendency, like our whole culture.
Anna Kettle:It's not, it's not about being present here and nose Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Wanting to work in the moment.
Dan Orange:We, we sort of think it is with information, don't we think?
Dan Orange:Well, we've got, we must be present because we get information constantly
Dan Orange:to us about what's happening.
Dan Orange:But that's just living.
Dan Orange:It can just be living a different life, living a life of, of other people or of
Dan Orange:events, not, not what we're doing now.
Anna Kettle:Just having a look at what comments we've got.
Anna Kettle:So Miriam saying that she thought it was special talk because it
Anna Kettle:was really about God loving us.
Anna Kettle:And I think that goes back to the, the point about, um, Jesus
Anna Kettle:choosing to lay down his life.
Anna Kettle:And I think, yeah, that was incredible.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:And I was just, as, as Miriam said, that I thought he, um, healed that
Dan Orange:blind man, but he, he risked his life.
Dan Orange:Just to heal him in a way, didn't he?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:He, the, he could have got away with things.
Dan Orange:He could have just talked.
Dan Orange:Um, but the Pharisees wanted to stone him doing it on a Sabbath,
Dan Orange:But that man was worth It.
Dan Orange:Was worth, Yeah.
Dan Orange:Um, being potentially stoned.
Dan Orange:It was worth all the abuse that that man could now see.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:That's all right.
Anna Kettle:That's.
Anna Kettle:So look what else we've got here.
Dan Orange:I think it's such a great analogy that we don't, we don't
Dan Orange:even have to stretch it too far.
Dan Orange:You know, he's blind and he can see that God wants to come just in
Dan Orange:that's that, that he wants to bring clarity, but it's, it's that big.
Dan Orange:He wants to give us life so we can be.
Dan Orange:We're alive without.
Dan Orange:I think we sang a song at church this morning.
Dan Orange:It had something like lines saying where we were alive without breathing.
Dan Orange:We're here.
Dan Orange:But God wants to come and bring that breath he wants to bring.
Dan Orange:Um, John 10 10 says that life in all its fullness, all its abundance.
Anna Kettle:Um, yeah.
Anna Kettle:Esther read that, didn't she?
Anna Kettle:That was part of the passage.
Anna Kettle:So yeah.
Dan Orange:He wants to give, give us fullness.
Dan Orange:Um, yeah.
Dan Orange:Matt, let's put it on Matt crew, put it on about, um, getting in contact with us.
Dan Orange:Cause if you've got, if you're watching this at a later date or even now,
Dan Orange:please just, um, feel free just to send DM through, uh, at Crowd Church.
Dan Orange:Get in contact with us.
Dan Orange:If you want to know more about God, you want to know more about who he is.
Dan Orange:Um, we don't do this for fun or to be on YouTube, , Um, we do this to tell
Anna Kettle:cause we're not that professional.
Dan Orange:No, I'd have to get my buttons pressed much, much better..
Dan Orange:Um, we do it because we wanna tell people, tell you about Jesus
Dan Orange:because his worth it is that's, it's night and days, black and white.
Dan Orange:It's being blind and it's being able to see that's who God came
Dan Orange:for, came for the individual.
Dan Orange:I wrote that down in my notes.
Dan Orange:That, um, and Esther meant to do it, that he came first as individuals.
Dan Orange:So he came for the, the Good Shepherd as a flock, but he came as individual sheep.
Dan Orange:He wasn't gonna allow one of us to get out.
Dan Orange:And he says he's come to give us eternal life.
Anna Kettle:Hmm.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:And there's, there's quite a lot in the Bible about like, um, The good Shepherd
Anna Kettle:isn't there, and him being willing to go for one, you know, it's that, that
Anna Kettle:thing of like, he'll leave the 99 to go and look for the one lost sheep.
Anna Kettle:So it is about the whole flock, but it's also about, again, it's about individuals
Anna Kettle:and that that's what springs to mind.
Anna Kettle:I, I sort hear that and yeah.
Anna Kettle:I loved what Esther had to say about it was they seeing him
Anna Kettle:move and reveal himself to an individual in a really personal way?
Anna Kettle:And meeting their really personal needs.
Anna Kettle:And then it was a really practical need, wasn't it?
Anna Kettle:Like you couldn't say.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Um, and, and yeah.
Anna Kettle:And will say that thing of like, he's, you know, the good
Anna Kettle:shepherd to everyone and Yeah.
Anna Kettle:I like, I liked how she pulled the two quite different
Anna Kettle:chapters together in a way.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:And there's that thread through all of that about Jesus revealing himself.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Mm.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Cause yeah, definitely.
Dan Orange:. Yeah, the, shepherd says that he keeps us, he keeps us, that we can't
Dan Orange:be snatched from his hands as well.
Dan Orange:Um, and that's quite a big promise, isn't it?
Dan Orange:That he's not just a one trick pony, he's not just gonna come and give you
Dan Orange:some good feelings now and then, and that God came that we can have eternal
Dan Orange:life and that we can be protected, that he comes to help us through when times.
Dan Orange:When times are rough, when things are going on, it's not about the
Dan Orange:good times, it's about that he's here for the hard times as well.
Anna Kettle:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Anna Kettle:Definitely.
Anna Kettle:Um, there's also lots of jokes here about like, when is Matt
Anna Kettle:gonna fly us all out to Australia?
Anna Kettle:Yes, that's definitely a budget Question back to Matt.
Anna Kettle:I think, well Matt says he'll take the plaster or visit.
Anna Kettle:Hard but someone's got to do.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:We've got Matt Crew asking for birthday shoutout.
Esther Richards:So there we go.
Dan Orange:Happy birthday on Friday, Matt.
Dan Orange:Hope you have a, have a good day.
Dan Orange:Catching up a little bit to um, me and Matt, my ages.
Anna Kettle:Cause he's nearly, nearly that old.
Dan Orange:And we've got, um, we're continuing the series next week.
Dan Orange:Um, John, chapter 11 next week.
Dan Orange:Mm-hmm, We've got Dave Con coming to talk.
Dan Orange:Not Coming to talk.
Dan Orange:He will be talking online.
Dan Orange:You can't really come to talk online.
Dan Orange:Um, he's talking online, um, with Matt and Phil Watson next week.
Dan Orange:So tech will be much better.
Anna Kettle:Oh, it's been great tonight.
Anna Kettle:Don't, don't do yourself down Dan.
Anna Kettle:It's better than if I was yes, we're here.
Anna Kettle:Everyone can see us.
Anna Kettle:We're good.
Anna Kettle:That, that's great.
Anna Kettle:So, uh, yeah, definitely tune in again next week.
Anna Kettle:Cause Dave Con's a great guy.
Anna Kettle:He's got lots of good stuff to say, so Yeah, that'll be good.
Anna Kettle:And they're doing John 11.
Anna Kettle:So it's following on in the series on the gospel of John.
Anna Kettle:Is that Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Anna Kettle:Fabulous.
Dan Orange:I think we're a bit early, but I think we've
Dan Orange:answered everyone's questions.
Dan Orange:So like I say, if you want to get in touch, wasn't it?
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:If you wanna get in touch, please get in touch.
Dan Orange:If you've got any questions, just send them through.
Dan Orange:If you've got any Prayer requests, then we'd love to pray
Dan Orange:for you really, really would.
Dan Orange:So, yeah.
Dan Orange:Thanks Anna.
Dan Orange:Thanks for being on today.
Dan Orange:Pleasure.
Dan Orange:And thank you very much, Esther, for bringing that amazing word.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:All the way from Australia.
Dan Orange:Indeed.
Dan Orange:Yeah.
Dan Orange:Brilliant.
Dan Orange:And we'll see you all next week.
Anna Kettle:Yeah.
Anna Kettle:Tune in next week guys.
Anna Kettle:Have a great week.
Anna Kettle:Have a great week Dan.