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Episode #116 - Premier League's Rise to Dominance and West Ham's Millennium Falcon
Episode 1168th November 2021 • Squeaky Bum Time: An English Premier League Podcast • Laurent Courtines, Mike Salerno, Chop Sports Media
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In Episode #116 of the Squeaky Bum Time Podcast, Mike and Laurent discuss the fallout from the Manchester Derby, we say goodbye to two more Premier League managers at Norwich City and Aston Villa and officially say hello again to Eddie Howe at Newcastle.

Also:

  • Is the Premier League getting bigger than the Champions League? The guys discuss how we got to this point, and why the pandemic is only partly to blame
  • West Ham put three past Liverpool to take the points and move into third place!
  • Arsenal may indeed actually be good and they beat Watford for the spot in the European places
  • We get a glimpse of Conte's Tottenham Hotspur in a dull draw verse Everton - We ask? Where will the goals come from?
  • Deep and massive man-crushes staring Conor Gallagher
  • Are there enough bad teams for Eddie Howe to outplay with Newcastle?

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00:00

um it is tuesday november 9th 9th 9th in

00:03

this episode manchester city embarrass

00:05

united again the sword swings again but

00:08

this time for farka and smith

00:11

and west ham are in the top three after

00:13

defeating liverpool but first mike i had

00:16

a thought

00:17

and i posed this question to you

00:19

is the premier league on its way to

00:22

being bigger than the champions league

00:25

discuss

00:26

on its way definitely yes uh it's

00:28

certainly not there yet but it's almost

00:30

as if you know we were talking about

00:32

this a little bit before we hit the

00:33

record button their uh

00:35

the premier league is jeff bezos right

00:37

there amazon and and the rest of europe

00:39

has has been decimated by

00:42

not i mean listen the pandemic was the

00:44

kill shot for a lot of these big big

00:46

clubs

00:47

they all started crumbled but there was

00:48

a lot of cracks in the foundations

00:50

before that so sure um you know there's

00:52

so

00:54

this precedes the pandemic and it and it

00:56

certainly precedes all of the recent

00:58

things that have sort of led to this

01:00

epiphany that you've had right

01:02

yeah and and and i just want to give you

01:04

the trigger the trigger was kante and

01:06

then it sort of was just brewing in my

01:08

mind i'm like newcastle in the premier

01:10

league with this sovereign wealth fund

01:12

then kante

01:14

enough no disrespect choosing spurs i'm

01:16

like

01:17

what the [ __ ] is going on this is like

01:19

we talked about it

01:21

like

01:22

yeah it's like that new york city the

01:23

rest of europe is becoming newark it's

01:25

like it's sucking all the energy in and

01:28

you sort of have this vortex of

01:31

wealth money and power but i just the

01:33

next logical step was like

01:35

is it bigger than the premier than the

01:37

champions league and i'm i'm i think it

01:40

is i think we're getting very close to

01:42

that moment where england can just be

01:44

like yeah

01:46

no i'm all right

01:48

well and you'll see you'll see that win

01:50

out right because i mean we've talked it

01:52

until we were blue in the face on this

01:53

show about how barcelona is is just in

01:56

tatters juve we don't give enough to but

01:58

they're a mess too they're currently top

02:00

of their champions league group i

02:01

understand they've beaten chelsea but

02:02

they're also in 10th

02:04

right

02:05

uh

02:06

real madrid hanging in there on name

02:08

alone in the group

02:10

i think i think with real

02:12

they tren

02:14

florentino perez may be a lunatic he's

02:16

not stupid he sort of saw us like let's

02:19

sell ronaldo for 150 million dollars oh

02:21

no sure and buy young players

02:23

and just roll with this i think we'll be

02:26

okay and then i think the barsa collapse

02:28

made it go oh thank god we're better

02:30

than everybody else we're good

02:33

listen they're the only boat that hasn't

02:35

taken on that much water right in that

02:38

in that league i mean atletico is still

02:39

sitting there but they're

02:41

the shells they're okay they're okay i

02:42

think they're okay i mean they they sold

02:45

griezmann

02:46

for 140 and bought it back for 40. yeah

02:49

yeah no no and i'm not saying so much

02:51

for that but like yeah it's just it

02:53

feels like

02:54

all of the juice all of the attention

02:56

now we are biased we are a premier

02:58

league show primarily um

03:01

we think we think about it pretty much

03:03

every second of every day but

03:05

we also used to think of it in the

03:07

context of you're a man city fan i'm a

03:09

spurs supporter but like

03:11

man

03:12

the the big european knights spurs

03:15

playing against barcelona and real

03:16

madrid in recent years i i guess the

03:18

real question is is like

03:21

does anyone think any team in europe is

03:23

going to win the champions league

03:25

no that's kind of what i was getting to

03:26

right like like i mean in so much as

03:29

n we had the english final in:

03:31

was a fluke right i mean yeah it was on

03:33

both sides because liverpool not that

03:35

they didn't deserve to be there that we

03:36

just had one last year too by the way

03:39

yeah that's true forgot about that for a

03:41

second uh no but like i was just saying

03:43

going

03:44

yeah

03:45

getting back to

03:46

you know

03:47

the the the inflection point like you

03:49

said ronaldo being sold by real madrid

03:52

did two things

03:53

it took a lot of the juice out of la

03:55

liga because it was you lost the

03:58

the batman versus joker thing with with

04:01

messi and ronaldo in whichever order

04:02

you'd like to choose um

04:04

and so you basically had a superhero

04:06

with no super villain or no equal if you

04:08

will um so that sort of petered out and

04:11

then you saw how the messi saga ended

04:13

but that and but that's but and that's

04:15

and that's due to mismanagement by

04:16

barcelona like it is it's a catastrophe

04:19

that's what i'm saying as much as you

04:21

can

04:22

you can say that the pandemic

04:24

accelerated a lot of these things they

04:26

were almost already emotional out of

04:28

them and you look at yuve where ronaldo

04:29

went yeah sure they won seria um they

04:32

basically won serie every year for a

04:34

decade so it wasn't so much that you

04:35

made the difference

04:37

but then they lose they don't win last

04:39

year their intent this year they're in

04:41

complete disarray they

04:44

spent 150 million on the guy i mean what

04:46

what did that really get you did it get

04:48

you the champions league nope no

04:50

so

04:51

it wasn't i mean it yeah but i think the

04:53

larger pieces here are just like

04:55

there's a lot of indicators there's a

04:58

weakening of of the of the of la liga

05:01

there's a weakening of the strongest

05:02

team in italy bayern basically runs its

05:05

league their only competition they buy

05:09

the manager the best striker and their

05:11

best defenseman from them so we don't

05:14

think red bale leipzig is going to do

05:16

anything with the the and and the

05:18

structure of the german league is such

05:19

that

05:20

it doesn't allow for massive investment

05:23

so it just is where it is and the reason

05:25

why bayern munich is even anywhere near

05:27

these other clubs is because there's so

05:28

much better run than anything in spain

05:31

or italy right so you have that you have

05:33

inter winning a league and then selling

05:35

everyone off just fire ironically

05:37

to the premier league right and then

05:40

the vortex of energy but the thing that

05:42

triggered it for me was like i started

05:43

thinking like

05:44

kante coming to the premier league

05:47

it is the premier place to be and that

05:49

just brings more eyeballs uh it is the

05:52

premier place to be

05:54

you know when there's a sovereign wealth

05:56

fund

05:57

yeah sure qatar picked off paris

05:59

saint-germain why because it had the

06:01

name paris in it that wasn't a big team

06:04

psg were not the biggest team in france

06:06

the biggest team in france is marseille

06:08

the biggest team in france historically

06:10

was sante tien or or lyon

06:13

they bought it because the name the same

06:15

reason

06:16

manchester city was bought i'm of no

06:18

illusion they bought it because they

06:20

said says manchester in the team

06:22

right that's about football right so

06:24

manchester city uh is purchased by my

06:27

team and i just think that you know we

06:30

saw with the super league

06:32

that florentino perez is a really shrewd

06:34

actor he saw the landscape of the league

06:37

and i think to a lesser extent agnelli

06:39

at uva he saw the landscape and said

06:42

the boat be sinking yeah we got to get

06:43

in on this yeah and he tried to create a

06:46

system where he could capture the wealth

06:49

and power of the premier league by

06:51

tricking them into closing their league

06:53

and so think about exactly right think

06:55

about how this was marketed when it came

06:58

out last season right it was uh barsa

07:02

and real and yuvey

07:04

and they are still holding them

07:06

i know i know and the united and

07:07

liverpool's inviting the arsenals the

07:10

tottenhams and so on and so forth from

07:12

the premier league no no no no they were

07:15

trying to to hitch a ride on the

07:16

gravitational pull that was pushing

07:18

everything and everyone as we've seen

07:21

since

07:22

closer to the premier league closer to

07:23

london closer to manchester and so

07:26

they were almost as if they were selling

07:28

off of they were like borrowing against

07:31

themselves selling off of their brand it

07:33

was snake oil right they're all saying

07:35

hey you'll get to be in a league no

07:36

matter what happens you'll always be in

07:38

a league with with barsa with real

07:40

madrid with juventus but in reality

07:44

you were all snuck their ways in there i

07:47

would yes but it's why

07:49

why it's the same thing you just said

07:50

about the word manchester they're in

07:52

london that's why yeah yeah of course

07:55

okay and yeah and and this is this is

07:57

the weird sense that we're a world that

07:59

we're now realistically what we're

08:01

talking about is

08:03

that the world superpowers of europe

08:05

would actually get to being a league

08:08

with arsenal with tottenham with that's

08:10

what they want they would love right

08:12

real madrid would love to be in the

08:14

premier league

08:15

exactly

08:16

if they could

08:17

they'd be like yeah we'll be in an

08:18

improvement [ __ ] that we're in and so

08:20

they travel like we're not going to get

08:21

relegated let's take out burnley and put

08:24

it around madrid

08:28

yeah i'll be in the [ __ ] they already

08:30

go to wales [ __ ] it

08:32

um so so

08:34

yeah it's interesting it's fascinating

08:37

it's a big thing

08:38

um and you know this week we had

08:41

we had a heavyweight fight

08:44

that was really not a heavyweight fight

08:46

we had what heavyweight name fight the

08:48

biggest legacy club ever manchester

08:50

united versus

08:53

the biggest

08:54

representative of the nouveau riche of

08:57

in in my club manchester or now

08:59

for now

09:00

we'll see and then um

09:03

another

09:04

pasting where the narrative

09:07

is only out we've done ole out so much

09:09

but i just have to give shrift to this

09:11

team this was as bad if not worse than

09:14

the liverpool game just that city didn't

09:16

score five goals because the same thing

09:19

happened in the last 20 minutes

09:21

where city just passed the ball around

09:23

except united weren't a man down that's

09:26

worse

09:28

so and i thought about that and they got

09:30

it was dominant from end to end

09:33

complete

09:34

total dominance

09:36

city understood what to do against the

09:38

back three all they went who worked

09:40

against spurs

09:42

you know what

09:44

this ain't [ __ ] spurs this is

09:46

manchester city the best coached best

09:49

funded best collection of players to

09:52

play a certain way in the world right

09:55

i'm not saying we're the best players in

09:57

the world but the best collection of

09:58

players to play in the system they want

10:01

the right amount of the right specific

10:02

players in that system right right so i

10:05

think notably though no jack greelish

10:06

which actually was interesting because

10:08

city played faster so when you you

10:10

talked a lot about

10:12

i watched uh kevin de bruyne closely he

10:14

was good he was good he was he was okay

10:17

he was good but he wasn't de bruyne good

10:19

and he was doing a lot of those passes

10:21

and just basically he does them 10 times

10:23

and you you only see the highlights

10:24

where he hits it once right he played

10:26

deeper

10:27

he still looks a little like he's on

10:30

painkillers but this was a perfect game

10:32

for him because

10:34

united didn't get close to him no one

10:35

tried to kick him

10:37

they had no moments of anything this was

10:39

a game for consailo and walker they

10:42

completely annihilated and one more

10:46

bernardo silva well he just does

10:47

whatever the [ __ ] he wants no but but

10:50

having the

10:51

it wasn't walker so much it was watching

10:53

the tandem and i'll get into the comment

10:56

commentary on this in a second because

10:58

it was lacking i thought severely um

11:00

bernardo silva shooting down the right

11:03

and and having conselo you know just

11:05

kind of finding him listen the goal

11:07

right before halftime that frankly ended

11:08

up killing the game if it was one nil

11:10

coming off the second half i think it's

11:11

a totally different united they got

11:13

broken by that goal it was a gut punch

11:15

right before half but um but just

11:17

watching the two of them just basically

11:19

pinging balls to each other the whole

11:20

game it wasn't just for that goal uh it

11:22

was fantastic there was not a man of the

11:24

match it was the two of them i couldn't

11:26

i couldn't decide yeah and roger i mean

11:28

the thing is that happens with city is

11:30

it's it it's frustrating to be a city

11:32

fan

11:34

because it is methodical

11:36

it is collective

11:38

it is

11:41

robotic

11:42

in the sense that it's precise

11:45

and you don't really have that much fun

11:47

narrative story it's just whenever city

11:50

win

11:51

this is what they're supposed to do

11:52

yeah

11:53

and when they lose what a heroic effort

11:56

it was from the other team

11:58

and so

12:00

again between liverpool and city

12:03

liverpool is just a much more

12:04

charismatic team in the way they play

12:07

and we'll get to their game as well but

12:10

hold on i want to get city

12:11

but city but city annihilated them and

12:13

we go into ole out and we go into a

12:16

bunch of coaches getting fired and he's

12:18

still there

12:19

yeah well so before we get

12:21

this the new sword of damocles um the

12:24

sword swung many heads are everywhere

12:26

they're just bloods everywhere um

12:29

we're watching here in the states it's

12:30

on nbc sports you've got arlo white and

12:32

grandma so and lee dixon on the call and

12:34

it felt like

12:35

for most of that game instead of talking

12:38

about what an absolute and it's like you

12:40

said it's going to the narrative it's at

12:41

old trafford their fans are chanting for

12:44

donnie van de beek to come on for some

12:46

reason uh because they don't because you

12:49

don't because they don't want to change

12:50

you don't know what you're doing right

12:52

because because they're nice it worked

12:54

for nuno um

12:56

but to be fair to united fans they

12:57

really don't they really they don't hate

12:59

him i get it i get it but nice it just

13:01

felt like and it's this is

13:03

i talk about it a long show it's it's

13:06

the man-made narratives right it's the

13:08

excuses it's the just you know what the

13:10

narrative was is that like i mentioned

13:12

that joao concello and bernardo silva

13:15

were unbelievably dominant on the day

13:18

well but but it was the way that they

13:20

played right the reason yeah that's the

13:21

thing with city like they were like

13:22

sharks and water right but if

13:25

united had any coaching or knew what to

13:27

do

13:28

where they said okay conselo if if if

13:32

ollie had gone to say wamasaka

13:35

go [ __ ] lock him up what would happen

13:38

would be phil foden would have been free

13:40

the whole time because every time i saw

13:41

photon out on a wing juan basa was on

13:43

and i was like he ain't getting past one

13:45

socket nobody gets past him like

13:46

wamasaka is a special player one-on-one

13:48

defense incredible going forward

13:50

disaster but when he when you're on the

13:52

wing and trying to go past him you're

13:54

like yeah that death sucks so instead

13:57

you just pass the ball back out to the

13:59

half space where conselo is and he

14:01

crosses it in in that trent alexander

14:03

arnold space and he just looks at it i

14:05

wrote this note late in the game i don't

14:07

know if it finished that way i stopped

14:08

looking but united had more shots on

14:10

target on their goal than they did on

14:12

cities that's kind of game correct

14:14

they did they did nothing and i mean

14:18

yeah ronaldo had one shot it was a

14:20

volley and that's it

14:22

it was nice uh but it was not on target

14:24

it was scary

14:25

yeah oh yeah i was scared um but that's

14:28

the thing is that like they had i i'm

14:30

gonna state that again in case anybody

14:31

didn't hear it manchester united had

14:33

more shots on target on their own net

14:35

than they did on their oppositions

14:37

manchester city and yet we sat here

14:39

hearing about oh like making excuses for

14:42

all a and and basically saying that

14:45

there they shouldn't be calling for him

14:47

to be fired and you know he

14:49

if not now when

14:51

well

14:52

and that was the interesting thing

14:53

because they've lost out on kante which

14:55

i think a lot of fans have have remor

14:57

like buyers are not

14:59

not buyers remorse not sellers or more

15:01

um

15:02

but uh now the question becomes and i've

15:05

said this before too like if you're

15:06

going to fire your manager you better

15:08

have a good one do it now

15:10

yeah but but they didn't when if you ask

15:13

a united fan like well who would you

15:14

have wanted the first you'll get two

15:16

answers right the first one is [ __ ]

15:18

anybody

15:19

and the second one is [ __ ] i don't

15:21

really know you know it would have been

15:22

kante but i don't really know

15:24

and so um they're sort of stuck between

15:27

a rock and a hard place now and spurs

15:29

have the last laugh

15:31

you want to get another sense of

15:32

dominance go for it ready

15:35

uh manchester city had four players with

15:38

over a hundred touches

15:40

conselo walker rodrigue de bruyne boss

15:43

okay

15:44

and for united

15:46

the top

15:47

of the the four players that they had

15:48

over 50 are luke shaw fred victor

15:51

lindelof and harry maguire

15:56

right basically they created nothing

15:58

they did nothing uh scoring

16:01

what's this shot

16:03

shot creating actions luke shaw had two

16:05

ronaldo had two fred had one fernandez

16:08

and wambasaka each had one shot creating

16:11

opportunities

16:12

de bruyne six the gabriel's a jesus five

16:16

uh bernardo silva four so this is where

16:18

you can get these are basically

16:19

potential assists and they do hockey

16:21

assists so they won't they do so city

16:23

had 26 shot creating opportunities and

16:27

united had seven

16:29

yeah that's about right and by the way

16:31

on that topic a word on uh david de gea

16:33

who i thought was fantastic on the day

16:35

but he's fantastic wow he's had his he's

16:38

had his he's well traveled well he

16:40

yeah he's he's been keeping there

16:42

keeping them in games lately yeah no

16:45

certainly but it was it was really

16:47

really bad and i think the laughable

16:49

thing is like i was sort of alluding to

16:50

is just

16:52

olei gunner sulshar

16:54

still has a job we did a whole episode

16:56

on a sword of damocles we got the wrong

16:58

manager we've seen nuno go now we've

17:01

seen our friend dean smith from uh come

17:05

on

17:06

from aston villa and then our friend

17:08

daniel farka who basically can't win in

17:10

his league although they let him coach

17:12

one the team won and then they fired him

17:15

so these two struck these two firings

17:18

really shockingly very strong club guys

17:21

yeah dean smith you really

17:23

yeah i sigh and that's the i feel like

17:25

that's the the proper response because

17:28

you want to defend it because they were

17:29

so good last year and they've been so

17:32

bad in the last month and i talked about

17:34

last week to be fair they've been mad

17:36

for a year to be fair

17:38

losses in:

17:41

yeah and

17:43

it just

17:44

it stinks like that's one where you're

17:46

like man you wish he could have figured

17:48

it out and and they've like we talked

17:50

about we've we've had a lot of juice a

17:52

lot of money on on villains in our

17:54

shitty bets recently yeah we've lost it

17:56

all because yeah so i mean i think it's

17:58

sad they handled it really well i think

18:00

it's one of those where

18:03

it's one of those where we thank you for

18:06

lifting our club the players from the

18:08

team all calling him like the best

18:10

manager they ever had

18:11

yeah you know a guy who is a fan of the

18:13

club so dean smith gets a lot of respect

18:15

and i think he'll get another job

18:17

fairly quickly but it does open it up

18:21

it does open up a lot of fun and

18:22

interesting people to get in and then

18:24

farka was more trust the process i think

18:26

he probably knew he was gonna get fired

18:29

before the game because he didn't

18:30

celebrate any of the goals uh and then

18:32

they they and then they fired him just

18:34

before the break so if you don't know

18:36

there's a guy called stuart webber he's

18:38

their director of football he does

18:39

youtube videos you can hear him talk

18:41

about the process he's like the

18:43

i hate to use the billy bean he's the

18:45

theo web scene of norwich

18:47

but he's out front he's an out front

18:51

spokesman for the team ahead of the

18:54

manager right it's kind of different in

18:56

england where you don't the manager is

18:58

the only voice you hear you barely hear

19:00

the players there's no coverage there's

19:02

no access you don't hear the board you

19:04

don't hear chairman it's pundits

19:07

and the manager and the manager talks

19:09

for 20 minutes a day of 20 minutes per

19:12

game that's it

19:14

and that's all you get the fact that

19:16

they have a technical director uh

19:18

president of the team who does all this

19:20

talking is great so you get a little bit

19:23

of insight into norwich he does say

19:24

things that are weird like we want to be

19:26

in the top 25 teams in england i don't i

19:28

wouldn't like that either but they will

19:30

hire someone interesting um the

19:32

narrative is frank lampard there's no

19:34

way they're hiring frank lampard he's

19:36

not a good coach uh the narrative on

19:39

villa though is our friend mr steven

19:41

gerrard which i like i like stephen

19:45

i like that hire a lot he has passion he

19:48

gets english football he yells and

19:50

screams he gets fired up he runs down

19:52

the touchline he did take

19:54

celtic sorry he oh excuse me rangers oh

19:57

hi rangers to an undefeated season now

20:00

it is a farmer's league i do understand

20:02

that he hasn't had great

20:05

success in europe with rangers but that

20:07

was it it feels like it's he's just been

20:09

at rangers blah blah blah he's been

20:11

there for three years it's not nothing

20:13

so

20:14

let's let's be honest i'd love to

20:15

because because let me just stop for a

20:17

second the aston villa job is as good a

20:20

job as you can get in the premier league

20:22

as a first-time premier league manager

20:24

yeah

20:24

and

20:26

if what i think is true that the premier

20:28

league is now getting to be one of the

20:30

biggest leagues in the world

20:32

if i'm an ambitious

20:35

coach

20:36

in europe

20:38

that's a job i'd want like i would be if

20:40

i were grand potter i would ditch my

20:42

team for that team

20:44

yeah that's a big club and he's from

20:46

sully hall which is nearby

20:49

um so i don't know let's bring it back

20:50

to let's bring it back to steven gerrard

20:52

there is no question no qualms about

20:54

what his eventual intentions are is to

20:57

manage they'll have him

20:59

if they'll have him this is how you

21:01

prove yourself and by the way you'll be

21:03

at aston villa for two years maybe a

21:05

little more um

21:07

and that time

21:08

i bet you jurgen klopp is like uh check

21:10

please

21:12

yeah i i think it's getting close i

21:14

think it's getting

21:15

uh they're working exactly reloaded

21:18

exactly so but you're looking at it in

21:20

the sense that liverpool are going to

21:22

have a down year in the next two to

21:23

three because they just had ones

21:26

right well they might be in the midst of

21:28

one who knows we'll talk about that in a

21:29

minute but um

21:31

uh salah's legs will fall off and

21:34

uh you know they won't have been able to

21:36

replenish to the point where they should

21:38

have been able to keeping up but by the

21:39

way their family sports group runs them

21:41

they're no manchester city they're no

21:43

chelsea right they are running no they

21:45

you know they're they're they're they're

21:47

a team with five billion dollars not 15

21:50

not

21:51

50. right five billion which is yeah

21:54

but how much of that are they really

21:55

gonna spend hey remember the mookie bets

21:57

trade fenway sports group so

21:59

um

22:00

yeah

22:02

it's different

22:03

they won't burn fenway down

22:05

[Laughter]

22:06

that's true

22:08

uh all that to say villa find themselves

22:10

in 16th

22:11

two points off of burnley for the

22:13

relegation zone so i mean the move had

22:15

to be made they're way too good for that

22:18

of course but

22:19

this is where jet like i said it's a

22:21

great job gerard can come in with all

22:24

that attacking talent mold it um and and

22:27

bring them back up to around mid table

22:29

which is probably where they belong um

22:31

the interesting thing is we're still so

22:32

it you know we're about a quarter of the

22:34

way through the season now a little more

22:35

but

22:36

you still two wins puts you in eighth oh

22:39

it's super it's super it's super tight

22:42

there's no there are no gaps really it's

22:44

sort of like a progressive kind of

22:46

system

22:48

even norwich are now pulled level with

22:50

with newcastle and i mean that three

22:52

points between the bottom three is

22:54

legitimate but you know we have we'll

22:56

talk a bit about about that uh farka i

22:59

don't know what's gonna happen with

23:00

norwich there's no reason they can't get

23:02

out of it they win three games out of

23:04

five and they're in business absolutely

23:05

and they've got a light stretch coming

23:07

too which is why

23:08

i i've defended daniel [ __ ] on this

23:10

show before and i'm gonna do it again

23:12

uh

23:13

i just he's he's out of his he's out of

23:15

his depth dude i know i know but doing

23:18

it after a win is what i think it was

23:20

because i was already drunk for college

23:21

football but i was like that was mean

23:23

here but here's the thing like it also

23:25

shows they knew they were gonna do it

23:27

already but it also shows they knew

23:28

where they were gonna do it that they

23:30

were process driven like oh you got

23:32

three more games

23:34

right if he sucks now just fire him yeah

23:36

yeah yeah right i think that three more

23:38

game stuff it's [ __ ] i don't it's

23:39

completely

23:40

unless these teams are really that badly

23:42

run that they literally listen to what

23:44

happens on tv like in some sense you

23:46

should admire united for being like

23:48

we got our guy even if you don't agree

23:50

with him we're keeping him although it's

23:52

laughable that three coaches have been

23:54

fired since all they lost to liverpool

23:57

and manchester city at home by a

23:59

combined seven nil that's just that's

24:01

the context we're talking about yeah

24:03

that's insane this manchester united

24:06

they just got ronaldo

24:08

you know

24:09

and then you know we go into that game

24:11

um i do

24:14

i do want to talk about

24:16

the best manager not in in uh that we've

24:19

talked about and that is uh senor moyes

24:23

of the west ham

24:25

that game was good

24:27

uh

24:28

and

24:29

west ham

24:30

are level on points with manchester

24:33

united it's the mighty manchester city

24:35

and it's a legit they are a plus ten

24:38

um they do it their way they run the

24:41

same

24:43

11 guys out week after week rain slow

24:47

sleep europa league or storm they go out

24:50

there and play

24:52

they press they harried they have

24:56

the best midfield in the premier league

24:59

no

25:00

but declan rice but declan rice is

25:04

it but think about it best premier

25:05

league in the league in terms of like

25:07

these two players will be here

25:09

are they better cities are rotating it

25:11

could be five games oh yeah that's fair

25:13

i mean like the best pair of two guys

25:16

who play together it's it's it's

25:17

manchester city but you know what i mean

25:19

like

25:21

even

25:22

gunner shullshire couldn't [ __ ] up the

25:24

team if he had rice and suck in the

25:26

midfield so they've got this best

25:29

midfielder

25:30

and i and i bet this game because i was

25:31

like

25:33

i didn't put it in our best bets but i

25:34

did bet it after the fact i was like

25:37

draw no bet plus 275. there you go

25:40

um they have a better midfield than

25:43

liverpool does right now i don't know

25:46

who's gonna play in the midfield for

25:47

liverpool i'm gonna go put this money on

25:50

west ham thinking the draw was the

25:52

safety

25:53

but i did not see them winning the game

25:56

uh there was some controversy i don't

25:58

agree it was a little bit of a we

26:00

protect gold keepers i'm like listen

26:01

allison is [ __ ] six foot seven and

26:04

catches everything and you're telling me

26:06

obama [ __ ] hit him get the [ __ ] out

26:08

of here you dropped it and it went in

26:10

[ __ ] off so set pieces when they get two

26:13

goals on a set piece and two other

26:15

chances that they broke in with four

26:17

now's and antonio

26:20

and uh and for now's finished allison

26:22

almost got it they win 3-1 origi pulls

26:25

sorry trent alexander with the [ __ ]

26:27

free kick amazing balls that got me the

26:30

cheap assist for mo salah which was nice

26:32

and fancy because i needed it

26:35

on the free kick there and then um it

26:37

was a touched over it was really good i

26:39

mean

26:40

as much as i [ __ ] on trent alexander

26:42

arnold and he was guilty for the goal by

26:44

the third goal by west ham because he

26:46

literally stood there and

26:48

uh kurt zuma just flew over him and it's

26:51

like oh i i guess i should have looked

26:54

around and maybe boxed somebody out but

26:56

he just was looking at the ball um

26:58

and west ham win and the place is

27:01

bouncing i mean

27:03

if you would have told people two years

27:06

ago when

27:07

the

27:08

west ham supporters were rioting at the

27:11

owner's box against burnley and

27:14

and i think the owner's in fear of their

27:16

lives because this is west ham home of

27:18

the icf and every hooligan movie ever uh

27:23

that their stadium would come to life

27:26

have energy

27:28

be a dangerous place to come and that

27:30

david moyes would be their manager you'd

27:33

be like get the [ __ ] that's never going

27:34

to happen because the owners tried that

27:36

they thought they were getting that in

27:38

pellegrini in terms of style of play but

27:40

what they really realized what i think

27:42

the owners really realized is

27:44

fans just want fight they don't it

27:47

doesn't have to be entertaining it

27:49

doesn't have to be pretty popping a ball

27:51

around but if you run in and you harry

27:54

and you kick a guy

27:55

to get the [ __ ] win and only have 30

27:57

possession you can be an exciting 30

28:00

possession team oh you certainly can and

28:03

that is what west ham are and

28:06

when i see michelle antonio i go

28:09

can we

28:10

can we buy your your shitty striker who

28:13

came from [ __ ] league just to be like

28:16

can you imagine

28:18

the the square the round the square peg

28:20

in the round hole of manchester city he

28:22

would make cities so different because

28:24

he's like the

28:25

he's like the [ __ ] broken down jalopy

28:28

that is like he's like the millennium

28:29

falcon of of your team he's like yeah

28:31

it's a piece of [ __ ] it's my piece of

28:33

[ __ ] but it's my piece of [ __ ] yeah he's

28:35

a piece of [ __ ] football player she

28:37

still can move all right he can still

28:38

move right and he would just batter

28:40

people around he'd [ __ ] up half the

28:42

passage

28:47

that's such a good [ __ ] nickname i

28:49

don't think i don't think the nerds will

28:51

get it for michelle antonio no you know

28:53

we gotta we gotta have our friend jesse

28:54

from the athletic on i'll

28:57

i'll text him and uh

28:59

yeah the millennium falcon

29:02

that's really good

29:03

yeah maybe we'll just name this episode

29:05

millennium falcon see if these names do

29:06

change anything um so that was a great

29:09

win and west ham become a story for the

29:11

league listen they were gonna make top

29:13

four last year almost rice and antonio

29:16

went down in the back end of the season

29:18

and they couldn't sustain it and they

29:19

got europa league so this is not a fluke

29:21

this is a real team and i think the big

29:24

piece for liverpool is they

29:26

give up goals

29:28

a lot and often um and i think this time

29:31

last season it was their defense where

29:33

they lost their six their three pairs of

29:35

defenders all disappeared

29:37

and we've never seen joe gomez ever

29:39

again he just was eaten by the [ __ ]

29:41

turf monster so i think they have some

29:43

some debt from that last year still

29:45

right like van dyke is not 100 percent

29:47

you've got other other he was good no

29:49

but he was great he was great he held

29:51

antonio in check the problem is that you

29:52

can get through them and you can get the

29:54

ball off them in the midfield because

29:56

thiago silva is not what he's supposed

29:58

to be gina one album was a special

30:02

player i think i think they

30:03

i think the other tiago

30:05

but yeah anyway thiago whatever the [ __ ]

30:07

yeah

30:09

there's like 14 tiagos and 37 silvas and

30:12

i don't know which one these portuguese

30:13

are okay i'm sorry

30:15

rafinha raphael

30:17

give me a just can you guys have some

30:19

[ __ ] different names for christ's

30:20

sake

30:22

is this part of our misogyny and elitism

30:24

yes that's yeah you're very it's very

30:26

elite we're punching down

30:29

spell your names differently my name is

30:31

from france okay

30:33

how about that for a name enjoy it sucks

30:36

um

30:37

so

30:38

so it's the midfield where they're

30:40

losing out they don't have the depth

30:41

they had uh fabinho wasn't able to

30:43

affect the game he had to come off and i

30:45

think that this time their their their

30:48

weaknesses are in the midfield and i

30:49

don't think they realized how good one

30:52

album was in that

30:54

you could just play him and you could

30:56

play him every week and he was always

30:57

there and he always showed up and he ran

31:00

and he ran and he ran and i think that

31:02

henderson is probably not as good

31:04

although creswell

31:06

kicked him really hard and could have

31:08

got a red no he's got a lot of miles on

31:11

him man like that's the thing is that

31:12

that's the common denominator with this

31:14

entire team it wasn't it wasn't a knock

31:15

on van dyke before what i was getting to

31:17

was exactly what you got it was yeah was

31:19

the mileage and and the quality in the

31:21

midfield where

31:22

it's just it's it's lacking and it's

31:24

leaving them wide open and the funny

31:26

thing is that

31:27

you've got

31:29

you've compounding it still because you

31:30

still got robbo and chen alexander

31:32

arnold what a peach of a free kick by

31:34

the way uh which almost helped me in

31:36

fantasy i lost by 0.9 points and for

31:39

those of you who aren't in the league

31:41

who don't understand what does that mean

31:43

that's that's literally like a fart that

31:45

got registered that you were talking

31:47

about

31:48

367 points but one guy had

31:51

367.9 and i had i don't know where you

31:53

get those fractions from you lunatic uh

31:56

minutes

31:58

you get

32:02

yeah yeah so west ham incredible huge

32:06

story there um the less we talk about

32:09

the

32:10

the less we talk about antonio conte's

32:12

debut with tottenham the better this

32:14

game was okay

32:16

it was really unwatchable but i did

32:18

tweet during it it was really it was a

32:20

tough watch it was like

32:22

you know too too

32:24

i don't know

32:26

i'm trying to think it's like

32:28

maginot line:

32:32

france is sitting there going you know

32:34

world war one was hard

32:36

i really don't want to do that again and

32:38

the germans are going

32:39

is he is he really going to make us go

32:42

over

32:43

i kind of

32:44

kind of not sure so they stood there for

32:46

a year and uh and and the english gave

32:48

away czechoslovakia anyway so that's

32:51

that's that's my world war ii reference

32:52

that have been disappearing but that's

32:54

what it felt like it was very much a

32:55

stalemate a very much a quiet game but

32:57

what i did see from spurs was fight

33:01

they fought they fought for 50 50s it

33:04

was not a

33:05

meek passive performance they just have

33:07

the same problem they've had which is

33:09

you can't create anything

33:11

i didn't realize this and i tweeted it

33:13

spurs are the second lowest scoring team

33:17

in the premier league and where do you

33:18

think that where do you think that falls

33:20

the the blame of that false

33:22

and i'll tell you why narrative says

33:24

it's harry kane it's not

33:26

i know i know it's still

33:28

to this day

33:30

erickson has never been replaced exactly

33:32

thank you

33:33

yeah they need a creative midfielder

33:36

looking

33:40

as much as you want them to you can't no

33:43

this is a deviation from what they had

33:45

been doing obviously kante coming in

33:46

with the three four three but so you've

33:48

got the three across the back reggion

33:50

skip hoibear and emerson now

33:53

that's

33:55

it's

33:56

you need to effectively play with a

34:00

more or less having one holding and one

34:02

forward and hoi beer is the most

34:04

frustrating because he's played it

34:06

really well for denmark we saw it we

34:09

fawned over it all summer long

34:11

but the weird thing is

34:12

he i think that was shot across that

34:15

[ __ ] pass you [ __ ] right but i think

34:18

it was a shot across in donbale's bow

34:20

that he didn't get a start um la celso

34:23

came on and it's funny how um he

34:26

this is a microcosm of gila celso as a

34:28

tottenham player the cross that was like

34:31

off the ground so before that

34:33

before that he picks up a loose ball uh

34:35

right around the uh 30 yards out or so

34:37

maybe a little less and he gets a step

34:39

and he curls it off the post and i went

34:42

the [ __ ] where did that come from

34:45

inches away because you know what

34:47

everton went oh it's that [ __ ] guy

34:49

yeah do your worst pal and he actually

34:51

almost made him eat it and then

34:53

later on in the game uh stoppage time

34:55

everton take a red card straight red um

34:58

and we have one last opportunity it's a

35:00

corner kick from the left side and it

35:03

bounced before it hit the first man it

35:05

was the worst corner kick i've ever seen

35:07

in my life and spurs fart noise and

35:10

don't get anything from it yeah

35:12

i think i think i wonder i wonder what

35:14

the team could look like

35:17

i think i think

35:19

kante will figure it out there's no

35:20

doubt about it

35:21

he will figure it out but i wonder if

35:23

you're going to play that that looks

35:24

like

35:25

how do you play maybe you have to play

35:27

lo celso and in belay

35:30

maybe probably not um but

35:33

listen if you're going to play that

35:34

midfield i don't necessarily hate that

35:36

but you can't have a three-man island

35:38

right you have to have which which had

35:40

happened for some of the game

35:43

ironically lucas is a guy who will

35:46

will try and travel with the ball right

35:49

he does not break lines though right

35:50

well i understand but um he has done it

35:54

before he's not necessarily the guy you

35:56

expect to do it but do you want him as a

35:59

speedster on the wing do you want him

36:02

trying to cut through places do you

36:03

because he's never been the guy

36:05

who makes eye contact with the the the

36:08

guy on the other side of the field and

36:09

makes a run and gets hit for you know

36:11

for a ball

36:12

he's never been that guy despite the

36:13

fact that he's so fast yeah so does he

36:16

make it

36:17

there's some something has to give

36:19

they've got to find a way listen the

36:20

only thing that we know

36:22

the only thing that we is erickson is

36:24

going to come back that's fine the only

36:26

thing we know is that kane and son have

36:28

to play uh i i would i would be wary to

36:31

be like harry will you just tell

36:34

southgate that you're hurt or something

36:35

please ah can you just

36:37

not play for england just give me a

36:39

minute you know i mean yeah look and

36:41

let's be clear there have been

36:43

eight or nine players from that england

36:45

team that went all the way to the final

36:47

who have had [ __ ] seasons

36:49

[ __ ] seasons okay

36:51

um

36:52

half of them are on united i feel like

36:54

but uh yeah but that's not because of

36:56

[ __ ] unite that's because of because

36:58

that's because of molly uh

37:00

but but so so i we're not and you know

37:03

i'll defend him till you know the day

37:04

i'm dead but uh it's it's not it's not a

37:07

harry kane problem it's a midfield and

37:10

it's a service problem many times over

37:12

the course of his tenure first he's been

37:14

absent or

37:16

uninvolved or whatever now the narrative

37:18

is that he doesn't want to be there

37:19

well whatever the reason is he's not

37:22

getting the ball and he's not scoring

37:24

and he's lacking confidence because he

37:25

feels like he has to score and that's

37:27

fine uh and i get that what you need

37:30

is alan st maxum man

37:32

and that's what i want to go to

37:35

you do you do you need a mercy i like

37:36

them

37:37

i love it um and i want to do i do want

37:40

to go to newcastle not before their game

37:42

they gotta draw versus brighton sad for

37:44

brighton [ __ ] sucks because oh yes

37:48

i'm not excited about that uh that was

37:50

part of my my super parlay laurent love

37:52

fest uh but eddie howe is there and he

37:55

has officially been appointed appointed

37:57

appointed appointed um and then he

37:59

reunites with callum wilson

38:02

frazier and richie so he's got some guys

38:04

he knows there i i have a i have a take

38:07

on this and one of the things i worry

38:09

about for that is hey we lost another

38:12

dinosaur manager

38:13

but maybe eddie howe's bournemouth was

38:16

living off being better than the

38:18

dinosaurs and the less dinosaurs there

38:20

are the more you'll notice that he had

38:22

the worst defensive teams ever in the

38:24

premier league

38:26

so if everyone plays

38:28

who is he going to be

38:31

right because his whole thing was like i

38:33

don't care i go for the wins rather than

38:35

the losses and i'm gonna be better than

38:37

these three

38:38

goon teams that i can

38:40

feast on and get my points off of but if

38:43

everyone's playing like who's gonna go

38:44

down well there's one obvious one but

38:48

they're the kings of not going down i

38:50

wouldn't even say i wouldn't even care

38:51

staying up yeah it's just not going down

38:54

so much right like this

38:56

they draw the premier league yes

38:59

what how would you characterize watford

39:01

though

39:03

they're going down no i know but like

39:06

are but is it because that they're going

39:07

to play themselves out of the league or

39:09

they're not going to show up and even

39:11

try oh oh uh ranieri is a defensive

39:14

coach right so he has that's two

39:17

there's three spots

39:19

and and and norwich are already in a

39:21

hole right so

39:22

um

39:23

although norwich relative to newcastle

39:25

the only difference is well it's a nine

39:27

goal difference but and then i guess i

39:29

guess one of the questions is are our

39:30

friends at brentford really in trouble

39:32

they're slipping

39:34

and then our friends at leeds

39:35

are

39:36

are in a troublesome spot so it's

39:39

somebody

39:40

it's in this range of

39:42

brent i mean we don't think that

39:44

brentford leads or aston villa are going

39:46

down

39:46

like it's there's only four teams that

39:48

can go down

39:49

let's go and think about right let's go

39:51

in on bradford first they don't this is

39:53

going to test

39:54

this is going to test a theory

39:57

that we talked about on the show before

39:59

the season started before we told you

40:01

that they would beat arsenal um they

40:05

had a philosophy where they're going to

40:07

be

40:08

um

40:09

focusing on the

40:11

quality of play

40:13

as much if not more than the results

40:16

when making the personnel decisions both

40:18

for players for managers for backroom

40:20

staff whatever

40:21

um

40:22

well they lost

40:24

they've they've been losing right what

40:26

are they at they're for the last five

40:27

they've lost which is this is not great

40:29

bob

40:30

uh but four in the league so four on the

40:32

bounce

40:33

that's what i'm saying four they've lost

40:34

four on the bounce

40:36

and you look at this and you go well

40:38

they played the norwich off the park i i

40:41

think the the expected goals if i'm

40:42

looking at it was one it's a whole goal

40:45

it's two seven nine so it's all two and

40:47

a half 2.8 to 1.1

40:51

right now they got battered by burnley i

40:53

understand that when they lost a game

40:55

against leicester where they got hit on

40:56

the counter and if i were to guess yeah

40:58

if they had more expected goals not to

41:00

say that xg is the end on be all because

41:02

again as we've talked about on the show

41:04

it does not

41:05

yeah it's devoid of context so i'm not

41:07

just going off of that specifically what

41:09

i'm merely saying is is that are we

41:11

really going to

41:12

and and 12 points is not eight

41:15

in the context of of the they got a big

41:17

gain they're going away

41:19

after the break to newcastle okay gotta

41:22

get that game huge huge you have to

41:24

[Laughter]

41:26

because it's huge and that's gonna be

41:28

tough because it'll be how's first game

41:30

again like we thought with with spurs

41:32

going there after the purchase

41:34

and and to be fair newcastle did come

41:36

out and punch spurs in the mouth

41:39

but

41:40

and they weren't scared

41:44

[ __ ] uh but

41:46

the quality at newcastle is quite low

41:48

like that's a bad team yes and you can

41:51

get at them

41:52

uh but if burnley go up there thinking

41:55

they're gonna guess go get that those

41:56

points they're gonna be in trouble now

41:58

even tony does come from that area he

42:00

was a newcastle player so maybe

42:02

he'll be excited to go back up there and

42:04

maybe he'll find some groove but you

42:06

know we have to worry these are all

42:08

viable things where there are players

42:10

that you know they're not gonna they

42:12

don't have

42:13

crazy money and the players are unproven

42:16

and all those things about frank and are

42:18

they ready for the fight and can they go

42:19

again so they they can't be pulled in

42:22

despite the fact that we've loved them

42:24

uh same with leaders

42:26

yeah same with leads last season

42:28

there's no reason that they can't get

42:30

sucked down but rafinha has been

42:32

incredible he saved their ass again

42:36

let me let me go to that game in a

42:37

second but i still want to have another

42:38

word on brentford because i'm obsessed

42:40

with them but

42:41

that's the thing that i'm so fascinated

42:43

about four out of five four on the

42:45

bounce uh lost in the league

42:49

you could say some of the results they

42:50

were they were harsh some of them they

42:52

weren't

42:53

um so where does that sort of leave

42:55

frank i don't think i don't know he's

42:57

fine he's fine they're not they're not

42:59

gonna fire well here's the thing we're

43:00

we're talking it's november 9th right um

43:03

the game's international breaks and they

43:05

come fast they're coming thick and fast

43:07

from basically

43:09

after the break which is the 20th

43:10

november 20th through january 10th

43:13

realistically you're going to play

43:16

uh probably

43:18

10

43:19

10 games in that church so you're

43:20

basically doubling the data you have

43:23

between now and then at what point if

43:26

they decide he's starting to be on thin

43:28

ice because look

43:29

we didn't think that uh that

43:33

aston villa um smith

43:35

jesus sorry brain fart we didn't think

43:37

he was on that thing of ice you know we

43:39

were like all right it's getting there

43:41

but not not dean smith to the point

43:43

where he would get fired so

43:45

if brentford again it's all about the

43:47

context so if they lose that game to

43:49

newcastle

43:50

how much how much leash does does our

43:52

friend thomas frank half right so i

43:54

think i think he's fine i mean i can't

43:56

imagine they'd fire him so let's see i

43:58

don't think they will either because i

44:00

think that they've got a they being the

44:02

the men who run brentford but what i'm

44:05

saying is if they look bad and i don't

44:08

think that they will but if they they've

44:10

gotten their doors blown off by burnley

44:12

that's a really bad loss

44:15

that was a really bad loss so if you

44:18

start to pile up really bad losses two

44:20

teams that you should beat

44:22

that's a recipe for disaster that's a

44:24

recipe for getting fired if you got your

44:26

[ __ ] kicked in by a liverpool by a city

44:29

by even

44:31

wolves or spurs okay fine you're a newly

44:34

promoted team you took your lumps you

44:35

get some lessons you go again next week

44:38

but if these are games that you're sort

44:39

of looking at and you're saying all

44:40

right i got to get to that magic 40

44:42

number 35 number whatever it's going to

44:43

be to stay here next year

44:45

those are numbers that you're crossing

44:47

off that you you counted on at the

44:49

beginning so you're ready for my big

44:51

prompt so raya didn't have a great save

44:53

percentage for them 69 70 which is sort

44:56

of league average

44:57

uh

44:58

faced 29 shots had 20 saves alvaro

45:01

fernandez their new keeper

45:04

nine shots on target five saves that's

45:06

55 save percentage if he does not get

45:09

that number up they are they will start

45:12

losing games

45:13

goalkeepers matter you don't notice it

45:15

until you have a shitty one yeah

45:18

if they have a shitty one they're really

45:20

in trouble

45:21

it's not a joke what i would say is it's

45:24

disproportionate it's on a curve on the

45:25

lower part of this quality scale right

45:27

like you feel

45:29

a shitty goalkeeper so much more than

45:32

you feel an incredible keeper and with

45:33

that said chelsea and edward mendy are

45:35

at the top of the table and i understand

45:37

it's mostly to do with him but

45:40

uh you feel they had keppa it was there

45:42

was fear panic and it's it's also it's

45:45

loss of version right it's human nature

45:47

one-on-one you feel points lost or a bad

45:50

goal much more than the frankly the

45:53

chelsea brentford game and that's one

45:55

game that was is going to be a feather

45:56

in thomas frank's cab not the other way

45:58

around even though they lost right

46:00

because they beat her

46:01

and they didn't get that um i do want to

46:04

i do think we should probably just talk

46:06

very briefly about chelsea dropping

46:08

points

46:09

they battered

46:11

burnley burnley had one shot

46:13

uh we you i think you were you called

46:16

this one sure did you thought that there

46:18

would be a draw and they got it it was

46:20

not it was a bad day at the office but

46:22

there is something so by the way i don't

46:24

know if you know this but

46:26

burnley and sean dyche

46:28

actually outperform their expected xg

46:31

and goals

46:33

in every year they're in the league they

46:34

are an outlier if you made a chart of

46:36

where teams cluster and shots and allow

46:39

whatever it's always in the same spot

46:41

and then it's burnley is way out here to

46:43

the point that you can't actually

46:44

include them in your data because you're

46:45

like i don't know what burnley do but

46:48

this is the type of [ __ ] that burnley do

46:50

they get battered and get results i

46:53

don't know how they do it i don't know

46:54

why it happens there's some there is a

46:57

togetherness a fight it can't just be

47:01

that they get lucky because they do it

47:03

year after year after year so the the

47:05

daish magic

47:06

comes through uh i know you loathe to

47:09

say that arsenal's playing well but the

47:11

fact is arsenal's

47:13

no emile smith wrote look emil smith

47:15

rose is turning this this team around uh

47:17

yeah they don't think there's relative

47:19

[ __ ] they don't give up goals i tried to

47:22

tell everybody i'm like they had the

47:23

third best defense in the league last

47:25

year yeah had the third best defense in

47:27

the league last year there was some

47:28

controversy in this game in that smith

47:30

rowe scored a goal where there was a

47:32

there was a watford player knocked out

47:34

in the 18 yard box yeah

47:36

which was you know it's it's a

47:38

if if you have an unwritten rule that

47:40

people want to enforce make it a [ __ ]

47:42

rule otherwise shut the [ __ ] up yeah

47:45

right i don't want to spurs got [ __ ]

47:47

on it the in the

47:49

west ham game no no sorry uh wilfred

47:51

zaha in the crystal palace game

47:54

uh same exact thing that's why tanganga

47:57

who has been banished to the nether

47:58

realm um

48:00

uh took the first of two

48:02

pretty much back to back yellow cards

48:04

and when he went after zaha right so

48:07

you're right you're right you can

48:08

complain about it but if it's a rule

48:10

then it will stop right and the weird

48:12

thing is that much like many things in

48:14

in european football

48:16

it's sort of a rule right like if he was

48:19

clutching his head they'd be like whoa

48:21

stop the game yeah they would have been

48:22

a whistle you know so if he's just

48:24

trying to if he's lying down and being

48:25

weird uh then no

48:28

by the way can i can i talk can i can i

48:30

do a digress and a sideshow and a

48:32

tangent do it

48:34

conor gallagher

48:37

you are the greatest player i've ever

48:39

seen

48:41

you win games by yourself and between

48:43

zaha and gallagher i think crystal

48:45

palace are going to finish in the top

48:47

10.

48:48

holy [ __ ] what a [ __ ] legend

48:52

he's been going i'm in love with the

48:53

church a lot more he's completely

48:55

replaced jack grealish as my love child

48:58

he's got the same hair ironic because

49:00

he's on your [ __ ] team now i don't

49:02

care i don't love my team i love other

49:04

people's teams yeah much more than my

49:05

own team i mean i'm looking at his

49:06

picture right now what a man

49:09

uh i can't

49:10

deal with conor gallagher and his

49:12

awesomeness he just is everywhere he's

49:15

here he's there he's every [ __ ] where

49:17

he's conor gallagher and he and crystal

49:20

palace with their

49:22

admit it

49:24

wilfred zaha is a son of a [ __ ]

49:26

but if he was on your team you would

49:28

love him oh yeah

49:30

yeah he's [ __ ] fun as [ __ ] that dude

49:33

yeah yeah sure and he's a [ __ ] houser

49:36

and had spurs bought him in the years

49:38

that

49:39

pochettino wanted him you wouldn't be

49:40

having this [ __ ] problem no we had

49:43

sunny so it would have been one or the

49:44

other but no it wasn't even

49:46

one

49:47

no it was arsenal who wanted him wasn't

49:49

even spurs um which oh my god i would

49:52

i would have put a hit out on him by now

49:54

at this point if he was on arsenal um

49:56

but no it's uh there's a little viera

49:59

narrative a little juice on vieira's

50:01

side

50:02

uh a little

50:03

that they had they won the transfer

50:05

window so we're covering all the teams

50:07

there's a lot of good stuff going on and

50:09

especially as we're going into the

50:10

international break there should be

50:12

nothing unturned that we don't talk

50:14

about that we don't sort of you know

50:16

lament and and feel good about and

50:19

think about in terms of what we feel

50:21

because when these games go and it's a

50:23

two-week break there is a deep sense of

50:25

longing emptiness and sadness i feel

50:28

like

50:30

charlie brown staring out the window

50:32

when it's raining and my only friend is

50:33

[ __ ] linus and that makes you linus

50:37

although i do have a bigger head so i'm

50:39

probably charlie brown you're definitely

50:41

yes you're much more linus okay i'll

50:43

take it

50:44

i'll go with this

50:46

i'm more of a peppermint patty you know

50:48

a lesbian

50:52

i don't think i can say that i'm not

50:54

sure yeah we're punching down again it's

50:56

not punching i don't think we're

50:57

punching down sir what the [ __ ]

50:59

relationship there you go sir marcy yeah

51:02

[ __ ] peppermint patty that was weird

51:05

[ __ ] norwegians

51:07

anyway uh do you have any anywhere you

51:09

want to go mike no not for not for today

51:12

but on friday's episode we will be re

51:15

are previewing usa mexico which is going

51:18

to be a lot of fun a huge huge game for

51:20

the americans and it sounds like pool of

51:22

sich is going to show up so um

51:24

very excited for that i'm excited

51:27

i have a comment yeah

51:29

i thought of this because people talking

51:31

about i got into one of these

51:32

conversations with kartik and the

51:34

american fans and i was like is poo sick

51:37

just jerry derelifeo

51:39

[Laughter]

51:42

oh man maybe

51:44

[ __ ] our best player is jerry delafeo

51:47

that's all you have to know come on he's

51:50

not that good

51:52

he's [ __ ] jerry delafeo who by the

51:54

way i loved when he was like everton

51:56

because at wofford he was fun as [ __ ] he

51:59

was a he was a fantasy darling at

52:01

wadford and his [ __ ] weird-ass

52:03

[ __ ] haircut i don't know where he is

52:04

now i can find jerry delefeo but he is

52:07

christian

52:09

just jerry delafao i think the answer is

52:11

yes

52:12

oh

52:14

by the way i did find some old friends i

52:16

was watching real social dad uh play

52:18

because they're top of la liga and uh

52:21

there was david silva and adnan janazai

52:24

leading the team

52:27

i was like wow and our friend isak uh

52:30

from sweden that

52:31

who didn't essay

52:33

oh i i knew that because in italy

52:37

i'm pretty sure they beat the [ __ ] at us

52:39

to learn the time

52:40

recently

52:43

let's see oh no

52:44

is it now they got smoked they got

52:46

smoked by lazio um which was a game

52:48

that's fine but there's a couple big six

52:50

pointers a couple of big six pointers

52:53

coming up for them um so

52:55

i want you to know literally a fascist

52:57

team

52:58

that of course i did the grandson of

53:00

benito mussolini is on

53:05

um

53:06

so selena ton is sitting in 19th

53:08

you cannot be that on brand

53:11

lazio to actually have the son of the

53:14

guy who invented the grandson of the guy

53:16

who invented fascism is on your team and

53:19

say we're not fascists you're [ __ ]

53:21

fascist it's okay they even have a

53:23

[ __ ] golden eagle on their cheeks

53:28

i mean i don't love that it's a nazi

53:29

symbol but the shirt is it looks good

53:31

hey come on listen sis

53:34

style knows no

53:36

politics especially in the [ __ ] uh

53:39

italian league the logos everything is

53:41

cool except for sampadoria i think they

53:43

have just a

53:44

a logo of a hobo i was about to say what

53:47

is that shadow

53:49

their crest actually looks like like um

53:52

you know like the um the solo cups from

53:54

like the 90s with just like the spray on

53:56

the green like the neon and purple like

53:58

that's kind of what they're they're

53:59

rocking there um but speaking of that's

54:02

who selena tana plays next

54:05

and i'm nervous because they play

54:07

sampdoria they play cagliari and those

54:10

three teams make up the bottom three

54:12

right now this is going to be basically

54:14

a a two game stretch for celanitano

54:16

where we're going to find out if they

54:17

can get their heads above water even for

54:19

a second because after that they play

54:21

yuve milan and fiorentina and then enter

54:24

in the league so they're not going to

54:25

get a point out of any of those four

54:27

games so if they can get two wins which

54:29

i think they can and just bank six

54:32

points and then just sit back for a

54:34

little while you're not staying in the

54:36

league okay you're going down hey okay

54:38

this these two games are going to go a

54:40

long way because these are two beatable

54:41

teams so if they're literally silent

54:44

town is 19 on seven sampdoria is 18 on

54:47

nine and caglier isn't dead last we do

54:49

have the worst goal difference but

54:51

that's gonna change

54:53

all right mike give me my q get the [ __ ]

54:55

out of here yeah that was the squeaky

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