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Speaker A:Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Design and Influence where we talk amongst ourselves about problems that we're solving for architects, design and engineering companies.
Speaker A:And those conversations are published and the intent is to help you with whatever problem you're having.
Speaker A:Our deep dives, hopefully, or deeper dives will hopefully kind of help you address or at least how to approach a particular issue you're having.
Speaker A:Today is going to be a treat because I'm personally extremely excited to talk about cloud PCs.
Speaker A:They call it, we call it virtual PCs, whatever, same thing.
Speaker A:And we did address this two years ago.
Speaker A:Mark and I did a video on it in YouTube and we put it on getarchitect.com it was an article and our, our sort of verdict at the end of the day was like, yeah, they're awesome, but they're expensive.
Speaker A:Now here with me, the two bright ladies from Aurora Bim, who you've already met, Megan and Liz.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker C:Hello.
Speaker A:And bright.
Speaker A:Not just, you know, because the white background, it's, you know, it's inside the cranium kind of.
Speaker A:It's the cranium, all right.
Speaker A:And so let's, you know, we just started talking about stuff and they were like talking about all these cloud PC, they're so good and we're trying to get architects to use them.
Speaker A:Well, we did as well because there's, there's a lot of benefits, right?
Speaker A:There's, there's.
Speaker A:Well, I'm going to, I'm going to let you kind of introduce the reason why you got into it and sort of what are some of the top.
Speaker A:Let's call it, let's just start off top three benefits right off the bat so we can get our viewers to keep, look, watching this video or listen, whatever, whatever medium they're using.
Speaker C:Top three.
Speaker B:Well, when we started Aurora Bim, it was part of our business model because we were a remote company.
Speaker B:So it made it possible for us to host a work environment for people that we wanted to come and join us or even contractors who were partnering with us to work in an environment that we had kind of more control over.
Speaker B:We could make sure that the right, like Autodesk licensing was always up to date and, you know, we could come in and help them really quickly if we needed to.
Speaker B:So that's one of the big reasons is just, you know, being a remote company, it has lended itself just to work really well with these virtual PCs.
Speaker B:So when we partner with people, you just, they just need a laptop and greens to actually log in.
Speaker B:And a good Internet.
Speaker B:Internet Connection.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:Well, can I also, like.
Speaker A:You like, teased me on this one and I said, okay, let's press record button.
Speaker A:You said one thing, that we had this.
Speaker A:Multiple videos on this and multiple experts were invited to the show to talk about using Revit on Mac.
Speaker A:That was always a thing.
Speaker A:So you tell me more about that.
Speaker B:Liz, do you want to do this one?
Speaker C:Yeah, sure.
Speaker C:I mean, we kind of stumbled upon that benefit when we were discussing with another potential client and wanted to move from archicad to Revit.
Speaker C:And they.
Speaker C:He casually mentioned, oh, yeah, well, we're all on Macs, I think we have one PC.
Speaker C:And we said, oh, but you could just use a cloud PC instead or a remote PC so you can keep your beautiful Mac screen and all that functionality and with the service we use.
Speaker C:And I'm sure a lot of them are very similar.
Speaker C:Just install a little client, a little app on your Mac and then you go via Internet to a PC, do your Revit stuff, and then you can go back to your Mac world without having to install Windows or partition your Mac.
Speaker C:So that's a huge benefit, I would say, overall.
Speaker C:And follow up with what Megan was saying about our employees and trying to work with both employees and also consultants all over the world.
Speaker C:It's easy for us to spin up as many computers as we need in a very short time.
Speaker C:And some people use half a PC.
Speaker C:So somebody's working during the day, someone's working at night because of the different time zones.
Speaker C:But also some people are using two or three at the same time because there's some processes that we need to run, like plotting a whole bunch of sheets and it just takes up the computer.
Speaker C:So you can send one computer off to do that task and then you can continue working in another.
Speaker C:So it really increases our efficiency overall.
Speaker A:That is.
Speaker A:I bet that's like a super power almost.
Speaker A:I mean, it is, yeah.
Speaker B:On deadline days like meet, we always have two or three open.
Speaker B:We have one printing kind of in the background and then the other one, you know, working.
Speaker B:And you could sync your Revit on one and then move to the other if it takes a long time to think and keep working on the other one.
Speaker B:As long as you have enough Autodesk licenses to do.
Speaker B:So that's key.
Speaker B:We do.
Speaker B:We have unique licenses for every computer.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:So we are going to get into cost analysis, try to do kind of Back in the napkin, but give people a real assessment.
Speaker A:Because our two years ago, our verdict was it's very good, but expensive.
Speaker A:And the cost of running a Normal PC with software support.
Speaker A:The normal way was still a lot cheaper.
Speaker A:That was two years ago.
Speaker A:Things probably have changed than running a virtual PC.
Speaker A:But virtual PC was an elegant and exceptional solution.
Speaker A:But let's, so, so let's just.
Speaker A:I'm going to sort of benefit number one is.
Speaker A:Did you say was.
Speaker A:Was access because you were remote and you needed quick, quick way to partition and then put those together for new people or what was the number one benefit?
Speaker C:Yeah, probably that work how the speed at which you can get someone up and going.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You don't have to wait to ship them a laptop and install, get it imaged and, and actually that's going to be my question to you.
Speaker B:When you did your analysis two years ago, did you take into account that time that, that extra time of like imaging and getting a computer up and running?
Speaker B:I remember it used to take like a week sometimes for like all the bugs to get worked out and all the software to get installed each time you got a new computer and onboarded a new employee.
Speaker A:That is an excellent question.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put, put a pause on this one because I don't remember, to be honest with you.
Speaker A:I don't remember the detail.
Speaker A:We only of course published the part of the video where we cut, cut some of the things.
Speaker A:I don't remember my deep conversation with Mark because he's an expert on that.
Speaker A:But what I can tell you from experience, when we set up new employees for our customers, it's usually it does take around.
Speaker A:Well, depends.
Speaker A:We got to spec out the computer.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Then we have to make sure that.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Correct access level is established, which you have to do with yours anyway.
Speaker A:Then we have to order that computer and then once computer gets here, we remotely set it all up with all user credentials and stuff like that.
Speaker A:So most of that work, I guess, is very similar, except it does take.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was like physical equipment takes a week.
Speaker A:But we usually get like, people know they have employees coming in, but there are cases where, you know, somebody forgot to let us know and then yeah, there'll be, there'll be a potential delay.
Speaker A:But we do have loaners.
Speaker A:So for that reason we have loaners that we ship out next day.
Speaker A:But yeah, it's a bit of process.
Speaker A:It's a process, yeah.
Speaker C:But I mean also with the physical computer, people can drop them, they can break, they can get stolen.
Speaker C:So that's not an issue with these for us.
Speaker A:So let's, let's talk.
Speaker A:Let's, let's double click on that.
Speaker A:So the way it works.
Speaker A:Let's just explain to people who may have heard of it but don't understand it.
Speaker A:The way it works is all the computing happens off site in someone else's server room or virtual for us, but for them it's a physical server room that does all the computing.
Speaker A:Now what they do is they take part of that computing and say, hey, here we go, that's yours.
Speaker A:Now, as long as you have Internet, you can access that computing power, you can access that storage and it's dedicated to you, but you have to pay us X amount of money for that privilege.
Speaker A:Is that how it works?
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Okay, yes.
Speaker B:I mean, there's lots of other benefits and things.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:In a nutshell, if somebody does not.
Speaker A:Is not familiar with what it is and we're just like, you know, shooting stuff right over their head.
Speaker A:I wanted to sort of make a headshot with this one.
Speaker B:Well, most people have done like a remote desktop.
Speaker B:You know, they're at home, they're remote into their computer at work.
Speaker B:This is very similar, other than, you know, some of the cloud or virtual PCs use RDP, the remote desktop, or they have their own, like, proprietary app that you use.
Speaker B:And that's the one that we chose.
Speaker A:Let's talk about, or I'm going to ask you about cost.
Speaker A:I think we should get into this first and then I'll probably surface out some other benefits as we go.
Speaker A:So what is your sort of a.
Speaker A:What is a kind of the cost to get one provisioned?
Speaker B:It depends on its capacity.
Speaker B:So it depends on the specs of the computer and you build it, basically.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:So the same.
Speaker B:Yeah, so it's the same.
Speaker B:You kind of get to choose, you know, what do you think you need for this particular employee?
Speaker B:And then you add in memory if you need to, you add in RAM if you need to.
Speaker B:And it's just.
Speaker B:It increases the monthly fee as you add in these.
Speaker B:But that's what makes it nice, is that you don't have to commit to a big computer right out the gate.
Speaker B:You can say, well, let's try this.
Speaker B:And you know, if it works great, if they need more, then you just click a button and gets added to their computer and you have more and.
Speaker A:Your credit card gets dinged and you're.
Speaker B:Yeah, but at the end of the month they.
Speaker B:Oh, what's nice about the.
Speaker B:So soft drive is the company that we chose.
Speaker B:And what's nice is that they are a monthly commitment versus I think a lot of the other companies are not.
Speaker B:They require you to Commit to a certain number of computers, minimum when you start out.
Speaker B:And it's not monthly, I think it, I don't remember, but it definitely is not monthly.
Speaker A:Yeah, but it's instant.
Speaker A:So once you're, once you set up your requirements, boom, you have a computer essentially what, 10 minutes or whatever?
Speaker B:Yeah, I mean the first one that we created, I, you know, they make it for you and you, it takes five minutes.
Speaker B:You just say, I want a computer.
Speaker B:And you click the button and this is the kind I want.
Speaker B:And you have access to it within 10 minutes.
Speaker B:And then the first computer, you install all of the software that you want.
Speaker B:You basically create the image that you want and you can then save that as a template and they, you know, do some cleanup and, and I did that after I worked on a couple of the couple of projects, made sure we had everything that we needed.
Speaker B:And now we have like a good template.
Speaker B:So now when we want to add another user, 5, 10 minutes, they've got a working computer with all the software, everything that they need, and it all runs right out the gate.
Speaker A:Now what would you estimate for let's say an average, let's say someone sitting in an architecture office that's an architect, what sort of monthly costs would satisfy their current needs?
Speaker A:Give me a bonus.
Speaker B:It's hard to say, you know, more than anyone else.
Speaker B:Yeah, I would say somewhere around the 200amonth mark.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Two years ago.
Speaker A:Two years ago, the cost of non rendering rendering machines averaged about 300 per month.
Speaker A:So I think that's.
Speaker A:It has come down.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Speaker A:All right, so 2 to 300 you say?
Speaker B:But yeah, somewhere in there, depending on what you need.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like the computer I'm on right now, it's 500amonth.
Speaker B:But we're running huge, huge models on it.
Speaker A:Running a rendering machine 24,7 availability could amount to approximately $1,300 a month.
Speaker A:That was our research two years ago.
Speaker B:I don't know what a rendering machine would cost.
Speaker B:It depends.
Speaker C:No, it depends.
Speaker C:But I also would, would question if that's even necessary anymore.
Speaker C:Because if you're using Autodesk products, you can render in their cloud.
Speaker B:Render in the cloud?
Speaker B:Yeah, with their tokens.
Speaker C:And they do that does a great job.
Speaker C:So that's a discussion for another day maybe.
Speaker C:But I don't, I don't see that many architecture firms having like, they used to have like a render PC, you know, that's all it did was they would send renderings to it and come back in the morning and hopefully they're good.
Speaker C:But now I think it's better to go to the cloud or I guess if you don't want to pay Autodesk for tokens, you could set up a render PC.
Speaker A:So I know you ladies are super cloud sort of focused or you know, cloud open.
Speaker A:And you know the other shows we've done, we talked about all the benefits of, you know, bridging all the stuff that don't live right in your, you know, in your server room, you know, in your closet.
Speaker A:And so, so, so that's great.
Speaker A:But with that I'm sure someone wants, wants me to ask you a question since you again as customers of this, of this service.
Speaker A:What about storage?
Speaker A:Like, you know, because if I have where my architecture files, you know, three, four years ago, like what, what about that?
Speaker A:How does that factor in here?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So you can set it up just like you would an office so you can have a server and you would want to do a cloud.
Speaker B:You can do a physical server.
Speaker B:If you wanted to tie it to a physical server in an office and you wanted these computers to be just additional computers in your domain, you can do that.
Speaker B:But I mean I think the best way to do it is to pair it with a cloud based storage system.
Speaker B:We use Google Drives, so we don't save any local CCC yachts because it didn't.
Speaker B:I mean the storage is a monthly cost so we try to keep minimal data actually saved to the computer itself.
Speaker B:We keep them pretty clean.
Speaker B:And it's also nice because then you know, nothing's locked on a computer if someone else is using it.
Speaker B:We don't save anything to the computers themselves and then that means that they're, it's really like easy to switch between computers.
Speaker B:All you need them for is the software.
Speaker A:That sounds really cool.
Speaker A:Do you know a lot of architecture or some architecture companies who use this model as much as you do or to the same extent as you do?
Speaker C:No, I don't.
Speaker C:Not yet.
Speaker B:Not yet.
Speaker B:We keep trying.
Speaker B:I think that there are some of the larger BIM consulting companies that have adopted it, you know, that provide other BIM consulting production services.
Speaker B:And I know in talking with the, the owner of soft drive that they, they have, their client base in the AEC industry is doing like they're expanding rapidly in there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I mean this is the way of the future.
Speaker A:I mean that's just, let's just face it, that's what's the way it's going to be.
Speaker A:But I have some concerns, security concerns.
Speaker A:I know there are other, there are Absolutely.
Speaker A:Like what people.
Speaker A:Like this is almost like maybe not even rational, but people want, especially with sensitive architecture, the design files.
Speaker A:They want to have a certain level of security that is kind of validated.
Speaker A:So they can validate because they're working with Department of Defense, whatever.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:School districts, whatever.
Speaker A:They have certain security requirements that need to be met.
Speaker A:And I'm wondering how that is represented with virtual PCs, if those companies can provide the guarantees and the paperwork that I imagine they showcases that security level.
Speaker B:I imagine that they can.
Speaker B:I don't think that they would be doing what they're doing if they couldn't.
Speaker B:I mean, everyone's worried about security, right?
Speaker B:Everyone has an IT guy background saying, I don't think so.
Speaker B:Right, right.
Speaker B:Like, I'm pretty sure that, that it is.
Speaker B:I mean, we should get the, the owner of soft drive on here one day.
Speaker B:That would be fun.
Speaker A:That would be interesting because I do have a lot of questions.
Speaker B:Yeah, he can answer them.
Speaker B:These kinds of questions.
Speaker B:Definitely more than, more than I can.
Speaker B:But I know Liz, like Liz's husband is in it and we had a lot of conversations around how to access these computers because I was trying to access them using Remote desktop.
Speaker B:The actual, like, you know, let you Remote desktop using the Windows version into it.
Speaker B:And that was kind of a security risk because then you have to like flip that button that says, yeah, allow remote desktop into this computer.
Speaker B:And then all the security that they've set up out in the front facing application.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:And it's, it's protected like it has.
Speaker B:What is it where you have to use the Authenticator app.
Speaker C:Oh yeah.
Speaker C:Two Factor Authentication.
Speaker B:Two factor.
Speaker B:Yeah, and you have to like, you have to like log in and, and verify that it's you and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker B:So I mean, from what I can tell, it is very secure and I'm sure it is.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it is for typical, you know, typical user or a company using them.
Speaker A:I just don't know if that level of security is allowed for certain type of work that architecture firms do that require a different layer.
Speaker B:Um, whether is Autodesk Construction Cloud considered secure enough?
Speaker B:I don't know for that kind of application.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker B:I mean, I think people or.
Speaker B:Sorry, go ahead.
Speaker C:No, I was going to say that I do know that a couple of years ago that was an issue in Europe because there were no European servers for ACC or BIM360.
Speaker C:So we had clients who, especially in Sweden, would not allow anything because it needed to physically be in Europe and.
Speaker C:Or in Sweden.
Speaker C:Like the physical data, which seemed like, silly is, I guess Swedish data is better than US data or whatever.
Speaker C:Something about passports maybe.
Speaker C:But then as soon as they, you know, Autodesk expanded and had more options in Europe, then all of a sudden it was like, okay, I guess that's fine.
Speaker C:But there are projects I have, I haven't worked on, but my colleagues have where they have to literally go to a special room with a special computer and work there, because all the files have to be like, there's stopgap to the outside world.
Speaker C:They can only exist in this one space and that's the only place they can go and work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that's an extreme.
Speaker A:That's really, really secure.
Speaker A:That's DOD stuff.
Speaker C:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A:I'm not talking about.
Speaker A:There's certain compliance, so there's security compliance.
Speaker A:What they call them.
Speaker A:I wouldn't call them benchmarks, I forget what they're called.
Speaker A:But there are specific.
Speaker A:So, like, if you're working for a government, it has certain security requirements for all your files.
Speaker A:And if you're working for dod, it's different.
Speaker A:And if you're working for something, you know, even more secret, I guess it's like, yeah, you have to bring your, you know, go.
Speaker A:Go in a dark room and code.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker A:And not even look at the keyboard.
Speaker A:Just know what it was.
Speaker B:Blindfold you, spin you around four times.
Speaker C:And then push you in a box and.
Speaker A:Yeah, spin you around.
Speaker A:Yeah, Blindfold.
Speaker A:But for all the rest of us, this is an incredible technology that I think is going to get cheaper.
Speaker A:Although now, thinking about this whole arms race in relation to building data centers for AI and stuff, I don't know how much computing powers you ladies going to have left for your little PCs.
Speaker A:Everybody wants to run AI on everything.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:They can share.
Speaker A:Yeah, you think so?
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:But I mean, what's nice too is you can.
Speaker B:You can choose the location as well of your PC so that you're closer to it.
Speaker A:Does it matter?
Speaker A:It does as far as latency.
Speaker A:Okay, let's talk about a couple more things.
Speaker A:Number one, everybody wants me to ask, and I didn't ask, I went all the way on tangent.
Speaker A:I was going to ask.
Speaker A:Internet access.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know it's almost always reliable, but not almost is not always.
Speaker A:So what happens when you having, like, problems with the Internet?
Speaker B:I mean, when we have problems with the Internet, we can't communicate with anyone anyways.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:All you've got is your phone.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:To make a phone call.
Speaker B:So you have bigger problems than just not being able to access your computer.
Speaker B:But as an architect, get to somewhere with Internet.
Speaker A:As an architect, may I argue the other side?
Speaker A:I'm going to steel man it.
Speaker A:You could still do work in your PC Maybe.
Speaker C:Depends on.
Speaker B:Yeah, you need to have license authentication, like if you want to use Revit.
Speaker B:Good luck if you don't have Internet for them to verify your license.
Speaker B:Bluebeam.
Speaker B:If you're using Bluebeam Studio, you don't have access to that either.
Speaker B:You're kind of dead in the water these days with everything.
Speaker B:You used to be able to work on Revit and PDFs.
Speaker B:You know, if you were sitting in an office and you still had your.
Speaker B:I'm going to say this wrong, probably your LAN connection to your server and your Internet, you know, externally without, you could still work locally.
Speaker B:But that's not really the case anymore.
Speaker B:At least with remote setups, you lose connection to everyone.
Speaker C:Well, if you're actually asking an architect.
Speaker C:Yeah, your pencil and your paper.
Speaker B:There you go.
Speaker C:Draw something.
Speaker B:And you can actually access these things from your phone.
Speaker B:So if you have a WI fi, like you know, 5G signal from your phone provider, you could still get to your cloud PC if your like Internet is out.
Speaker B:And you could also tether to your computer and use that too.
Speaker B:There's way.
Speaker C:There's ways.
Speaker C:Are you using Spacelink?
Speaker B:Baselink.
Speaker A:Using Spacelink.
Speaker B:What's Spacelink?
Speaker A:Well, not Spacelink.
Speaker A:What is this thing called?
Speaker C:Oh, Starlink.
Speaker B:Starlink.
Speaker C:No, no.
Speaker A:Spacelink sounds better.
Speaker A:No, you're not using Starlink.
Speaker A:I'm just curious, but.
Speaker A:So for normal Internet, does it feel like a normal computer when you're working it in a normal environment where you have high speed Internet?
Speaker B:I forget sometimes if I'm on it or not on it.
Speaker B:The only way I can tell is the little icon that tells me I'm on my virtual.
Speaker C:And I think a lot of people are a bit nervous to do this because I remember the first iterations of this and it was lagging.
Speaker B:It was slow.
Speaker C:It was slow.
Speaker C:It's annoying and fuzzy and.
Speaker C:But now it's just like Megan said, it's like you forget that you're on a different computer than yours.
Speaker B:And with drafting and you know, like detailing and Revit, like if there's any latency whatsoever, I'm a princess.
Speaker B:I cannot handle it.
Speaker B:And that's like, I actually like started working with this PC company specifically and was testing their machines for them and trying different configurations and things that made it crisp.
Speaker B:And fast enough to actually be like modeling in revit and, and doing detailing because you cannot have latency, people will not have that and you cannot have the like crispness not be there because your whole, your whole world is how does it look?
Speaker C:So and you said, Megan before that to me and Tess, that you had helped also the same company working with, going back to the Internet issue, that if the Internet is slow, how can you still keep working with maybe you give up some of the crispness but you don't get the lag and you don't get the latency so you can still work.
Speaker B:And yeah, and they, their solution I think is unique in that, that they allow you to select what kind of bandwidth you're dealing with and it automatically configures their application and it optimizes your access to the computer so you can, you know, you can tweak it down to if you only have 2 megabytes per second upload download, like you could still access it and work kinda.
Speaker B:But like I've actually worked all summer, you know, on I was, I think it was maximum 20 megabytes per second download and like around 2 or 3 up and I had no problems working on these cloud PCs.
Speaker A:Very impressive.
Speaker A:Okay, well, so I think that's, you know, I think it's important for people to look into it.
Speaker A:I think we're going to look into it a little bit deeper.
Speaker A:I think we do have at least one client, maybe couple that have some, not all, but some virtual PCs.
Speaker A:It's interesting subject and I appreciate you ladies sharing with us any last minute advice on like, you know, on what to watch out for or how to go about maybe starting this for a larger company.
Speaker A:Let's say if you have, If I have 50 employees, you know, I'm not going to just jump in, you know, one at a time or what would you, what would you say a better way to start?
Speaker B:I mean I would start by just contacting the company and they usually are willing to do like you know, a trial or you know, you can do a test case to see, you know, they're not going to expect you to buy it right out the gate and have never tried it.
Speaker B:I would do that.
Speaker B:And then I'd say one other aspect of this that, that really sold me on it and was actually a problem that I was trying to solve in one of the previous companies I worked for with Keeping up with Autodesk updates.
Speaker B:This actually allows you to like, let's say we needed to make a big update or we needed to Add in another version of Revit and, you know, pushing that out to all the PCs and making sure that it's right can take a while.
Speaker B:You could actually just delete all your computers, get one the way you like it, duplicate it, and create your whole entire workforce again.
Speaker B:And that could take an hour versus trying to push out all of these updates and make sure that everyone's on the same version.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And it also makes it easier for, you know, it to be able to access the computers.
Speaker B:You don't have to worry about them being turned off.
Speaker B:You can turn them on, obviously.
Speaker B:You have to.
Speaker B:You can turn them on through their dashboard.
Speaker B:You can turn them on, you can restart them, you can troubleshoot them.
Speaker B:You have access to these machines all the time.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:So managing from our perspective, managing the security, the accessibility, the updates, which is a pain.
Speaker A:Updates, we do that for our customers.
Speaker A:And so that, I guess that would save us time as well, which will reduce cost.
Speaker C:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:It was a strategy that I was thinking of where, you know, you do just every two or three months, just delete your whole machine, delete all your machines, create one that is actually up to date on everything and duplicate it, and just, here you go, everybody's on the same build, you know, for sure.
Speaker B:Get all the bugs worked out, you don't have to deal with.
Speaker B:And it's not that big of a deal to delete and then recreate a new computer.
Speaker B:Very, very, like, easy to.
Speaker B:Yeah, work like that.
Speaker A:Right on.
Speaker A:Liz, any parting words of wisdom?
Speaker C:I just think it's great that Megan is such a nerd in this, so I don't have to be.
Speaker A:He's like, I'm not an expert, but two gigabits here.
Speaker A:And he's like, I'm not an expert, but, like, you know, rendering is not required anymore because, you know, it's down in the HTC cloud and look like it's.
Speaker A:You are an expert, Megan, you're very good.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:All right, you guys.
Speaker A:Pleasure, pleasure, pleasure.
Speaker A:Pleasure hanging out with you again.
Speaker A:I think we imparted some wisdom.
Speaker A:I've learned something, and I thank you both.
Speaker B:Yeah, thank you.
Speaker C:Thank you.
Speaker A:See you all next time.
Speaker C:Bye.
