Episode Description:

Faith and healing, divorce recovery, and real-life resilience—this candid conversation with nurse Lisa Sander explores how to reconnect with God, yourself, and others. We unpack frontline lessons from COVID, practical tools for divorce recovery, and why kindness, listening, and humility transform families and communities. Centered on faith and healing, we discuss ending perfectionism, finding your voice after 40, and choosing love over fear. If you’re ready to pursue faith and healing in everyday life, this episode offers grounded stories, hope, and next steps. You’ll hear how faith and healing can guide hard conversations, co-parenting, and calling.

Timestamps (in parentheses):

(00:00) Introduction to authentic, unscripted conversation and today’s themes

(02:38) Guest shares insights on nursing: calling, compassion, and reconnecting with God & others

(06:05) Divorce recovery and healing: finding courage, setting needs, choosing respect

(10:12) COVID frontline lessons: leadership, humility, and doing the next right thing

(14:27) National grief & unity: listening across differences, choosing kindness over fear

(18:40) Judgment vs. discernment: how to truly hear someone’s story

(22:58) Failure as formation: “third time’s the light” and growing through setbacks

(26:30) Parenting & teens through change: stability, honesty, and co-parenting well

(30:02) Retreats & service: Christian couples retreat and a Minnesota nonprofit vision

(33:15) Takeaways & encouragement: ending cycles, finding your voice after 40+

Key Takeaways:

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• Faith and healing begin with listening—at home, in marriage, and in community.
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• Courageous honesty and humble apologies soften defensiveness and rebuild trust.
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• Divorce recovery is possible with respect, clarity on needs, and child-first co-parenting.
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• Failure can form you: resilience grows when you keep showing up with God.
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• Kindness is leadership—choose it in conversations, online, and at the checkout line.
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Guest Bio:

Lisa Sander is a Med-Surg charge nurse, podcast co-host of Our Healer, Our Protector, and a Christian coach who helps women and couples reconnect with themselves, each other, and God. Drawing from 24+ years in nursing and her own life transitions, Lisa supports divorce recovery, relational healing, and purpose after 40.

Resource Links:

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• Watch Our Healer, Our Protector on YouTube — https://youtube.com/@ourhealerourprotector?feature=shared
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• Connect with Lisa Sander — [insert website or social link]
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• Lesa Koski — https://lesakoski.com
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• Couples Retreat (Arizona) — [insert lin

Tags/Keywords:

faith and healing, divorce recovery, women over 40 podcast, Christian women, kindness and unity, judgment vs discernment, co-parenting, resilience, nurse story, COVID frontline lessons, finding your voice, ending perfectionism, Christian couples retreat, Minnesota nonprofit, Our Healer Our Protector, Lisa Sander

Welcome listeners.

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I am thrilled to have you here today.

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And it's funny, I've got my guest,

Lisa Sander, and I'm gonna introduce

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her in a second, but it's cute.

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We just, were monkeying around with

like equipment, the blind leading the

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blind we're like working up sweats here.

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Trying to, I You're sweating.

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I know.

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I don't know if it's a hot flash.

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I'm just trying to get this, this voice.

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This echoing to stuff.

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I think we're good.

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And I told Lisa, I'm like, I'm just

getting to know her, but I'm really

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excited because of what I know about you.

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I know a little bit about you, and so

I just said, Hey, let's just go on and

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make this really authentic and I have no

idea where this is going and, but it's

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gonna be good because we're talking to

someone who was a nurse and now she's

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got a calling to help people reconnect

with themselves with one another.

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With God.

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And I feel like, can I be

in the healing chair today?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes.

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That's what I, um, I still work

at the hospital, so, um, I'm doing

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both, but I want to transition.

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To where we're at right now,

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Speaker: where we're sitting right now.

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And our, and, and if I might say

too, Lisa, you're a nurse, you're

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the co-host of our healer, our

protector, which I, I haven't

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listened to yet, but it's on YouTube.

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Yep, too.

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And I'm gonna go take a listen and, um.

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Learn more about you, but I know

that you help people going through

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divorce, and I do too, but I'm kind

of just more like generally helping

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women 40 and beyond to have better

lives, help them through hard things.

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And so that's why I think.

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This is going to be a

really great conversation.

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Would you just share your authentic

story, where you come from, and what

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led you to do what you're doing today?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Uh, I grew up in a Christian family with

hardships, alcoholism, um, dysfunction

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and love all at the same time.

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Growing from there, I've

always gone to church.

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Um, in sixth grade, I started taking care

of the handicapped child next door to

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us who had, um, he had cerebral palsy.

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He had dealt, I had to give

him seizure medication.

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I had my best friend help me.

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We both babysat for them, and I was

picking up a child who was older than

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me and putting him in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 3: Oh,

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Speaker 2: I've, I've dreamt,

uh, since I was in sixth grade, I

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think I told, um, I have a thing

that said I wanted to be a nurse.

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I wanted to learn how to play the guitar

and, um, earn $200 for the summer.

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I'm still trying to earn

$200 for the summer.

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I have the guitar, haven't learned, but

I am a nurse and I'm very proud of it.

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Speaker: Awesome.

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Good for you.

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Yes.

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My daughter-in-law is a nurse, a labor

and delivery nurse, and my, my daughter is

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a medical doctor and she always knew it.

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She was a little girl.

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She knew.

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She knew what grade school she wanted

to go to 'cause they taught Latin.

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I mean, it's pretty cool.

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I wish I had that, you know, I mean,

my daughter-in-law too, always, I

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felt, feel like they always knew

that that's what they were gonna do.

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What a gift.

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My son just needs to pass his

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Speaker 2: boards and

he's a nurse, so Yay.

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At that stage.

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Um, my daughter just told me, um, she

wants to deliver babies, so she wants

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to be a labor and delivery nurse.

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Speaker: That's what my

daughter-in-law does.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Yeah, so, um, I've

always, um, been driven.

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By, um, Jesus in my steps through

life, um, imperfect Christian.

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Um, I've always had a calling to do more.

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Um, I was married for, uh, Jack's

23, uh, 22, 23 years, um, and

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I've always been a loyal person.

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I've been hurt through, um,

people that I've loved the most.

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And, but I, people always ask

like, how do you keep going?

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How do you like stand up?

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Um, I'm one of those people, if

you stick me down a tunnel and I'm

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like, people are going by to help,

I'm like, oh, I'm digging myself

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up, like I'm getting out of here.

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So I've always been a go-getter

and I still find joy and

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God has always shown me.

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Um, I, it comes in threes for me of.

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Failing three times and that

third time he shows me the light.

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And I'm so grateful for those failures

'cause I wouldn't be where I am today.

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And the courage, when you talked about

how you guide women to, um, become their

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best selves after 40 to find themselves

while I'm 51 going on, I'm almost 52.

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And, um, you can create yourself

and we like, it's my second

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chance and I want to serve.

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I wanna serve people and I

want them to, um, be inspired.

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I wanna inspire other people and be in

my, I'm not a therapist, I am a nurse.

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I have wisdom through nursing and all the

people that I've helped through healing.

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And, um, if you listen to our podcast,

you're gonna see a very emotional

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Ryan and Lisa, if you start from the

beginning and now you see us now.

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And I'm seeing my healing.

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If I would've had a podcast with you

early on, I would've made it all about me.

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Or if I would've had you at a guess, I

would've felt everything and I would've

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been crying and thinking about me.

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But now when I have people on the podcast,

I can focus on them because I'm healing.

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When we're not healed, we focus

on ourselves so much, it's

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hard to help other people.

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So now if you go through the progress

with our podcast, you get to see our light

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coming through and how we can help others.

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And, um, going through divorce is hard.

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Um, when people make

that decision, they're very brave.

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'cause it's the hardest, one

of the hardest things to ever.

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For me to go through.

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Um, I've had different stages in my

life that is hard, but because of

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all the hard I've had in the past,

I was able to handle this hard.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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And I think, um, I haven't

been through a divorce.

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I've been married for 34 years, so

it was really, oh, congratulations.

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Odd that I worked in divorce.

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For so long, you know, but my heart,

but I still had such a heart, you know?

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Oh, yeah.

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Such a heart for wanting to help.

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And, and I had, you know, you don't need a

surgeon that's been through your surgery.

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You need a good surgeon.

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So I, I felt like that's what

I was doing and I'm, I'm moving

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away from that a little more.

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And I went through a heart

where they caught, um, stage one

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breast cancer and it was hard.

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It was, um, that's, I mean, I

had to go through everything.

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I had to go through surgery,

chemo, radiation, and, um.

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And, you know, you talk about healing

and I ha I wouldn't take it back.

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I have, I mean, I'm writing a book.

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It's like, it was the most amazing,

life changing, total surrender

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to God that I have been through.

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Mm-hmm.

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And yet I'm still healing,

you know what I mean?

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Yeah.

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Like, I'm, I don't think I'm

gonna be done until I'm dead.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Right.

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Speaker: And you know, Lisa, as

we're sitting here, I've gotta

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like, I wanna go back to talk

about your failing three times.

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I wanna go back and talk about that, but

before we, we get there, I, this is kind

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of, um, and I am a happy, fun person

and the sun's coming out here right now.

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Yay.

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And I'm like, it's a happy day,

but it kind of isn't a happy day

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because it's been a hard day.

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And, you know, we, I've got a

daughter, my babies at GCU and she,

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um, feels like she knew Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 3: and, you

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Speaker: know, that was so sorry.

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Yeah.

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Well, no, it's.

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So sorry for everyone.

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Oh, for everyone in their family.

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Everyone.

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Mm-hmm.

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Everyone.

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And I just want this

beautiful country to heal.

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And as I got up today, I am

like, what can this 57-year-old

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grandma do to help the world?

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Because I, I mean, I truly am at a

point where I'm like, use me God.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know?

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Um, I don't wanna be afraid.

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And I think the thing that hit

me is I am just getting to the

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point where I'm finding my voice.

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As a woman, as a people pleaser,

as going through things that

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I don't wanna be afraid.

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And then is this gonna

instill more fear in people?

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Because we just need to be kind.

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Mm-hmm.

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We need to listen to each other.

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We need to heal.

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Like we need to heal individually,

but our country needs to heal.

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I think.

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Oh, I mean, and I'm not

talking from any side.

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I don't care what side.

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I don't either.

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You're on.

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We all need to listen.

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I don't wanna hear anyone talking

about the other side in this, because

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we are not against each other.

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We are all children of

God and I just, amen.

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So today is a little bit heavy, you know?

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And I, it's heavy.

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I'm like, yeah, I can't kind, I

kind of can't pretend that it's not.

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So I just had to bring that up because

I think we're gonna talk about that

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a little bit as we move along here.

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Oh yeah.

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Um.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know a lot

about him, so I actually last

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night, um, followed him on, um, his

Instagram and I'm in awe of him.

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Mm-hmm.

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I was so taken back.

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I'm like, oh my gosh.

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He truly did listen to people.

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He let them have their voice.

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Debate is so important, and it's not

to change someone's mind, but it's

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to like, why do we go to college?

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It's to see the whole picture.

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Speaker: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Um, as a therapist or a

nurse, like we see the whole picture

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of everyone and all we need is love and

it's okay to have the hard questions.

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It's okay to disagree and, um.

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What the devil wants us to do is quit.

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And I am not quitting

and you are not gonna quit

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because we have to keep going.

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And, um, they wa whoever they, people

want us to be scared and not speak out.

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I, my heart goes out.

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To their, his children.

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His

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Speaker 2: family and

everybody that knows him.

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Um, this is where I get emotional.

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Um, but what we can't do, um, and he

would not want us to, not knowing him,

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but I, he would not want us to keep.

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Quiet and love.

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Our love has to come in with our family.

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Our, we have, you know, people always

say, why can't our country get along?

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Well, our families can't get along.

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Exactly.

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Hello?

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Exactly.

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You're mad at your neighbor.

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You're mad at your Yes.

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And that's, we have to

start at home and Yep.

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Surround yourself with people that

inspire you and show you love.

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We're not gonna get all into all of

this because there's some family members

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that are not healthy and good for you.

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Speaker: Right.

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Speaker 2: All of that.

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Speaker: Well, maybe we can

talk about that a little bit.

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I mean, let's talk about that a little,

because I so hear what you're saying.

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And Lisa, that is like my, my goal.

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Is to be kind to my husband.

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You know how you can be like, yeah.

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And it's like, okay,

let's just start here.

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Like, I don't wanna just be kind

to, you know, other people Yeah.

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Outside, but I don't

even know it has inside.

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Yes.

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And you know, I think what made

me so sad is I think back, and I

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am, I'm mature, you know, I think

back to when I was in law school or

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even just a little bit after that.

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I had the opportunity, and in college I

did have the opportunity to be friends

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and love people who thought completely

opposite me, and we actually could sit

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down and talk about abortion and have

two different sides and not get mad.

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We listen and that's why I think we have

such a hard time knowing what the truth

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is because no one's willing to listen.

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They grab onto their team.

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It's not like that.

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It's not about getting on a team,

it's about listening and being kind.

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Speaker 2: Everyone has

different circumstances.

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Speaker: Yes.

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Speaker 2: We are not here to

judge someone's circumstance

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until you walk in their shoes.

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You have no idea.

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Um, and we all changed 10, like

my thinking of me being 21 to 30,

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one to 41 to 51, I have changed.

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I would've like you talk about abortion.

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No one likes to talk about this stuff.

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In a million years, I never

thought I would have an abortion.

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Um, but I had, uh, cystic

fibrosis in my family.

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Oh, oh man.

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And both my children had

a one in four chance.

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And for the first time in my entire

life, I never would choose abortion.

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But I was faced with that question.

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And you know what?

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Thank you Jesus, that I didn't have

to even make a decision because Jack's

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a carrier and Grace is not a carrier.

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Um, and I, um, I did in vitro one

out of, um, I had eight eggs and.

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Uh, one outta my eight eggs

did not have cystic fibrosis.

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Speaker: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So, um, I've lost two babies

through in vitro and, um, I, I wanted

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five kids and I have two, and I'm so

thankful and they're healthy and happy.

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Mm-hmm.

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But, um.

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Where was I going with this?

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Well, I think,

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Speaker: I think we,

yeah, we were talking Yes.

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Circumstances,

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Speaker: don't, yes.

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Let people tell their story.

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When you can sit down and listen

to where they're coming from and

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maybe repeat it back and say.

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Okay, let me, is this what you're saying?

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That's how you really listen and,

and learn and understand and maybe

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there, maybe there's more gray than

we know, but I think what makes me

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sad is I think about my children and

my grandchildren, and I don't think

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that they have had the opportunity.

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To have situations where they can

freely discuss things and still

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love the people, love the people

that you have different ideas.

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Then listen to them value their

I, you know, I don't know.

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So I just think it's just a, it's

a weird day and you know, of course

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this isn't gonna come out the day

we, we record, but not long after.

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This is nine 11 too.

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Yeah.

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So, you know, I wake up in the

morning and I'm gonna watch.

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Yeah, I'm gonna see what's going

on with, with Charlie and if

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they've found anyone and mm-hmm.

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And then it's, you know, all the

nine 11 and then you relive that.

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'cause I was there.

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Oh, of course.

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I remember.

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I remember, you know,

that was a scary day.

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It was a scary day.

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So there's lots of prayers

and I love our country.

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We had so a beautiful, beautiful

country with so many opportunities

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and um, I'm just gonna pray for it.

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Speaker 2: So am I.

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Um, if I could change the world,

I, I answered this in another,

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um, interview and that was love.

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Speaker: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Um, when you're having

a bad day, why does someone

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else have to have your bad day?

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Like when you go out to the grocery store,

um, you know, COVID changed this too.

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There's not a lot of workers or people

wanting to do certain jobs anymore.

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Well, those are our

children having those jobs.

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So I don't ignore when I'm out

either when someone's being rude

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to somebody at Starbucks 'cause

they're upset about a coffee.

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I'm like, first of all, like that's

someone's child you're talking to.

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Right?

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And you want them to respect you.

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Well you need to show them respect back.

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: If you're coffee,

you're privileged 'cause you get

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to buy a coffee and it was wrong.

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Um, you can talk to them politely and

say, could you please change this?

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This isn't how I thought

it was gonna be made.

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Right.

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Um, if you show them respect

and give them patience.

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That's how we teach each other.

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Speaker: Well, that's,

that's the whole point.

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You know, that's, yeah.

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That's why we're living Exactly.

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I mean, and we are better

learning from others.

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So, um, I don't know.

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That's, that's where I'm kind sitting

today just to be authentic and true,

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because that's what I like to do.

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If I could hug

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Speaker 2: you, I'd give you a big.

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Hug.

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Aw, I love that.

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And, and just knowing that

we're talking about this and

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our love goes out to everybody.

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Yeah.

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And we pray for everybody.

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And the lives that he touched

personally, family and friends.

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I am so sorry.

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And it's heartbreaking 'cause he was 31.

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Mm-hmm.

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31 years old.

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Look what he did.

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To bring up conversations with

our college students and give them

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the freedom to talk and debate.

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And he would thank them.

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He would be like, oh my gosh,

thank you for being so brave to

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have this conversation with me.

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Yeah.

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We need more of that.

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Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And everybody, when

it comes to the end of the day.

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Everybody wants to be seen, heard,

and loved, and nobody wants to

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hurt, so stop hurting people.

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Speaker: Yep.

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And I do feel like this could be a

really, um, big opportunity where

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we come together because I think.

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Like I'm seeing, and I know, not, not

all, but I'm seeing a lot of people

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from where whatever you believe,

whatever side you're on, I'm seeing

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a lot of people come together, kind

of like we did when nine 11 happened.

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You know, we came together as a

nation and, um, you know, we don't

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wanna stand for that anymore.

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We want everyone to have a voice

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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As, as everyone should.

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Speaker: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: And if it comes from kindness

and love to make someone better.

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That's what it's all about.

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Speaker: I know.

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And you know, you said

you're all about the love.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm about being kind.

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That's just my thing.

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I'm like, just be kind.

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Just be kind.

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It's not that hard.

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Please be kind.

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Yeah.

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It's not that hard.

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And if you put that first, I mean,

that's gonna, that can change the world.

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Um,

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Speaker 2: just like as everyone hears

the basket of fruit, if you put a bad

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fruit in there, it'll expose everyone.

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Your kindness can expose to everyone.

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Speaker: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Um, I told my kids growing

up, we'd always come to the table.

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Um, I would tell, um, the kids

and their dad like, okay, when you

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come home, you need to tell a story

that you impacted someone today.

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So what kinds did you show?

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If it was to open a door or pick up a

pencil or someone, or if you see someone

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sitting alone at lunch, give 'em a smile.

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And I know kids are not brave to go sit

next to that person, but if you can do it

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one time and feel they, our kids need to

learn what it feels to fill your heart up.

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Yeah.

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To see the joy in somebody else.

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Yes.

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So my kids grew up, um, knowing that

they had to come home and tell us

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the good deed they did for today.

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Speaker: I love that.

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I wish I could say I did that.

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I didn't.

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Speaker 2: Well, no, but this

is for like your grandchildren.

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You get to do that with

your grandchildren.

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Speaker: Exactly, exactly.

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And lead by

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Speaker 2: example and show them.

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Speaker: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker: Okay.

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I'm gonna backtrack now because

as I'm sitting here, you know,

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I'm just kind of am like I'm

having a cup of coffee with you.

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Oh,

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Speaker 2: I think I saw your cup.

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Mine says, actually I can.

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Speaker: Mine says, just has the heart.

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Oh, I love it.

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Coffee all over and I put

in, oh yeah, I got lipstick

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Speaker 2: and coffee.

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Speaker: Okay.

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So Lisa, tell me, okay, I

wanna hear your story more.

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Yes.

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So you're a nurse.

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Yeah.

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And you, and you still are a nurse.

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Yes.

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And you went through it.

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And then, and then you're also, I had,

you're doing, you're you coaching?

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I'm

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Speaker 2: coaching.

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I have my podcast, Ryan and I have a

Christian retreat coming up for couples.

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Oh, and you and your husband are.

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Totally invited.

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Oh, you're sweet.

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Um, we're having one

in Arizona in October.

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It's a weekend and we are

bringing couples together.

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Yes.

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People last, like you guys are getting,

you guys have been through divorce

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and you are dating and you're having a

Christian, Christian retreat for couples.

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Absolutely.

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We are both married for 22, 23 years.

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We wanted to be in marriages

and um, that's a long time.

460

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So yes, we bring to the table of,

um, putting God first and then

461

00:19:55,740 --> 00:19:58,920

you as a couple and then your

kids, or wherever that may be.

462

00:19:59,100 --> 00:20:04,350

And we are, um, gonna bring a retreat

together for couples to become stronger

463

00:20:04,350 --> 00:20:06,150

with God and in their relationship.

464

00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:08,040

Speaker: Awesome, awesome.

465

00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,400

So it's not just for people

who have been divorced?

466

00:20:11,460 --> 00:20:11,850

Nope.

467

00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:12,450

Nope.

468

00:20:12,780 --> 00:20:13,290

It's for

469

00:20:13,290 --> 00:20:14,100

Speaker 2: all couples.

470

00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,060

Male.

471

00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:15,120

Okay.

472

00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:16,650

Well all kinds.

473

00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,220

Speaker: Let's have that

in our, in our show notes.

474

00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:20,670

Okay.

475

00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,560

Um, okay, so tell me more.

476

00:20:22,620 --> 00:20:24,180

Where do you work in the hospital?

477

00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:25,050

What kind of a nurse are you?

478

00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:25,410

I

479

00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:27,390

Speaker 2: am a med surg charge nurse.

480

00:20:27,390 --> 00:20:32,050

I have, um, 34 beds at our hospital

in the section that I am in charge of.

481

00:20:32,805 --> 00:20:33,285

Nine.

482

00:20:33,285 --> 00:20:37,635

I work with nine nurses, average of a

day and up to five nursing assistants.

483

00:20:37,635 --> 00:20:42,765

And then, um, everything that comes at

me, doctors, pharmacy, nurses, phone

484

00:20:42,765 --> 00:20:45,375

calls, and I organize the day Okay.

485

00:20:45,645 --> 00:20:48,615

To help facilitate where people

go and who's getting who.

486

00:20:48,945 --> 00:20:49,305

Speaker: Okay.

487

00:20:49,305 --> 00:20:50,715

So you're doing this work.

488

00:20:51,195 --> 00:20:51,405

Yep.

489

00:20:51,555 --> 00:20:54,315

And then it sounds like you're

in a long-term marriage.

490

00:20:54,315 --> 00:20:57,255

You've got your kiddos and wham Yep.

491

00:20:57,255 --> 00:21:00,885

You talked about three failures at a time.

492

00:21:01,905 --> 00:21:02,325

Yes.

493

00:21:02,535 --> 00:21:06,015

And you know, isn't it like, I feel

like I don't want to, I almost don't

494

00:21:06,015 --> 00:21:07,875

wanna call it failure, but you have to.

495

00:21:07,875 --> 00:21:07,935

No.

496

00:21:08,895 --> 00:21:09,735

Yeah, they are

497

00:21:09,735 --> 00:21:15,195

Speaker 2: failures, but, um, they're,

you have to have failures in life to make

498

00:21:15,195 --> 00:21:17,895

you stronger and become your higher self.

499

00:21:18,765 --> 00:21:25,095

So I knew when I was younger, it took

me three times to pass, um, my drivers.

500

00:21:25,815 --> 00:21:28,635

Driving and some people it still

say you shouldn't have passed.

501

00:21:28,635 --> 00:21:32,115

But hey, I'm doing good,

but I'm still here.

502

00:21:32,115 --> 00:21:32,265

And um,

503

00:21:34,305 --> 00:21:39,855

and um, it took me three times to pass my

nursing board and I'm a dang good nurse.

504

00:21:39,915 --> 00:21:43,545

Um, I don't do good with testing,

but I'll tell you right now, I am so

505

00:21:43,635 --> 00:21:52,275

humbled and so, um, proud of my nursing

license that I do not take that for.

506

00:21:52,305 --> 00:21:53,505

I don't take it for granted.

507

00:21:54,659 --> 00:22:00,360

Um, and I think about my three

different relationships and my longest

508

00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:02,699

one being the man I was married to.

509

00:22:03,149 --> 00:22:11,760

Um, what changed my life was

C-O-I-C-O-V-I-D opened up to, I

510

00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,620

was doing CPR every single day.

511

00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:14,640

Speaker 3: Oh, I

512

00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,840

Speaker 2: watched people die.

513

00:22:16,410 --> 00:22:20,370

I had seven family members and

friends that died during COVID.

514

00:22:22,140 --> 00:22:26,670

Um, I had to be a leader in all of that.

515

00:22:27,390 --> 00:22:30,600

Nurses did not do it for the

money anymore at that time.

516

00:22:30,990 --> 00:22:33,000

Um, we like to work extra.

517

00:22:33,090 --> 00:22:33,930

Do extra.

518

00:22:33,930 --> 00:22:40,080

You can make extra money, but we worked 16

hour shifts because there was nobody there

519

00:22:40,140 --> 00:22:42,300

to be for our nurses or ICU patients.

520

00:22:42,300 --> 00:22:46,740

I, I did ICU, then I, they would

pull me from a charge, a med surgeon.

521

00:22:46,770 --> 00:22:49,680

I would go down to IC and I'll be

like, I'll take the ICU patients.

522

00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,980

There was one night that they're

like, we're eight nurses short.

523

00:22:53,460 --> 00:22:56,490

All of us nurses held hands and we raised

their hand and we're like, we got you.

524

00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,560

We got each other and we gotta

do this for the patients.

525

00:22:59,614 --> 00:22:59,905

Speaker: Geez.

526

00:23:00,330 --> 00:23:04,709

Speaker 2: Um, so during that time, I've

always interviewed people, um, being in

527

00:23:04,709 --> 00:23:09,300

the healthcare this long, if you could do

something differently, what would you do

528

00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:13,020

in, they're like, travel in your forties

because you're not gonna climb mountains

529

00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:16,530

starting at 65 or 80, 70 when you retire.

530

00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,909

You gotta do it in your forties.

531

00:23:17,909 --> 00:23:19,290

Start seeing the world.

532

00:23:19,755 --> 00:23:23,055

And that kept on going through my

head, and I watched 20 year olds die.

533

00:23:23,055 --> 00:23:25,605

I watched 40-year-old, 50 80.

534

00:23:25,665 --> 00:23:27,945

You never knew who was gonna

walk outta that hospital.

535

00:23:28,185 --> 00:23:30,075

And I'm like, oh my gosh.

536

00:23:30,855 --> 00:23:35,145

You know, in the Bible it talks about

them walking the wilderness for 40 years.

537

00:23:35,145 --> 00:23:38,385

Well, I was walking in the

wilderness for a while.

538

00:23:38,865 --> 00:23:43,155

I was working a hundred hours every

two weeks providing for my family.

539

00:23:44,250 --> 00:23:47,820

And I wanted more and I had a calling

for more, but I didn't have time and

540

00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:51,690

there was things I, um, did not miss out

on things with my kids, but there were

541

00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:54,750

seven years I didn't ride in the car

with my kids because I was on a pager.

542

00:23:54,750 --> 00:23:57,540

I was an interventional radiology

nurse for another hospital and

543

00:23:57,540 --> 00:23:59,070

I was on call for emergencies.

544

00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:03,750

Well, I was gonna end up being the

emergency if I didn't stop my cycle.

545

00:24:04,695 --> 00:24:07,725

It's not good for your heart, it's

not good for your health, your

546

00:24:07,725 --> 00:24:10,965

wellbeing, and your relationship

with your kids and family.

547

00:24:10,965 --> 00:24:12,405

That's what we all do it for.

548

00:24:12,795 --> 00:24:12,885

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

549

00:24:13,125 --> 00:24:14,235

Can I ask you a question?

550

00:24:14,235 --> 00:24:14,295

Yeah.

551

00:24:14,325 --> 00:24:16,635

I'm gonna stop you, but I don't, I

want you to keep going 'cause you're

552

00:24:16,635 --> 00:24:20,625

deep in this conversation, but I

don't know why this is, this jumped

553

00:24:20,625 --> 00:24:21,615

out at me and this might be dumb.

554

00:24:22,695 --> 00:24:23,625

No, nothing's done.

555

00:24:23,895 --> 00:24:24,165

Well.

556

00:24:24,165 --> 00:24:26,385

It might be a little, okay, so COVID hits.

557

00:24:28,050 --> 00:24:33,810

Why was it, why were people dying

when now it seems not as severe?

558

00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,030

Oh, because our, um,

559

00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:40,050

Speaker 2: it's like getting,

um, everyone's immune to it.

560

00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:40,350

Yep.

561

00:24:40,350 --> 00:24:42,960

So it's shr like if, how

can I say, in the ease?

562

00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,560

So that is

563

00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:43,980

Speaker: true.

564

00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:45,900

It's kind of like, okay.

565

00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:46,710

Speaker 2: Yes.

566

00:24:47,010 --> 00:24:48,000

Speaker: So it was just harsh.

567

00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,940

It wasn't, it wasn't how

they were being treated.

568

00:24:51,420 --> 00:24:51,870

Speaker 2: No.

569

00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,080

Um, it was actually when we started off.

570

00:24:55,514 --> 00:24:56,774

Nobody's been in this.

571

00:24:56,835 --> 00:24:57,945

No one knew what it was, right?

572

00:24:58,035 --> 00:24:58,995

Doctors were learning.

573

00:24:58,995 --> 00:25:00,705

Science was learning US nurses.

574

00:25:01,035 --> 00:25:04,485

My first encounter with my

very first COVID patient.

575

00:25:05,580 --> 00:25:06,960

We were scared.

576

00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:08,399

Us nurses were scared.

577

00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,180

I peeked through the door

and I said, I see you.

578

00:25:12,780 --> 00:25:14,190

I know how to be a nurse.

579

00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:16,470

I'm gonna do the best

I can take care of you.

580

00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:20,670

And if you ask me what is going on

or what is this, I have no idea.

581

00:25:20,730 --> 00:25:23,700

But I do know how to take care

of a sick patient and I'm gonna

582

00:25:23,700 --> 00:25:26,460

listen to my doctors and I'm gonna

do what we're supposed to do.

583

00:25:27,149 --> 00:25:31,770

We got better in learning as we went

on, on how to take care of people.

584

00:25:32,505 --> 00:25:32,715

Speaker: Yeah.

585

00:25:33,495 --> 00:25:35,055

Speaker 2: Was there

failures at the beginning?

586

00:25:35,085 --> 00:25:36,585

Of course, we're all learning.

587

00:25:36,585 --> 00:25:36,675

Yeah.

588

00:25:36,945 --> 00:25:41,475

But every day it changed ev

like things were changing.

589

00:25:41,475 --> 00:25:43,035

The doctor's like, Nope,

we're not doing this anymore.

590

00:25:43,035 --> 00:25:43,635

We're doing this.

591

00:25:43,635 --> 00:25:44,775

So they were listening.

592

00:25:45,645 --> 00:25:46,995

Everyone was doing the best.

593

00:25:47,055 --> 00:25:49,575

All I can tell you is everyone

that walked in that hospital

594

00:25:49,575 --> 00:25:50,485

was doing the best they could.

595

00:25:50,485 --> 00:25:50,750

Yeah.

596

00:25:51,765 --> 00:25:56,325

And we were there to save people

and the best we knew how and

597

00:25:56,325 --> 00:25:56,565

Speaker: yes.

598

00:25:57,045 --> 00:25:57,375

Yeah.

599

00:25:57,375 --> 00:26:00,525

I'm so thankful for

our healthcare workers.

600

00:26:00,525 --> 00:26:05,025

I mean, I feel like they go to war

and even like my daughter watching

601

00:26:05,025 --> 00:26:08,265

her go through her residency and

you know, she's got, it's hard.

602

00:26:09,285 --> 00:26:12,945

Holy, I mean, I think them

like, I think, you know, people

603

00:26:12,945 --> 00:26:13,995

who fought for our country.

604

00:26:15,284 --> 00:26:15,764

It's amazing.

605

00:26:15,764 --> 00:26:16,365

Thank you.

606

00:26:16,725 --> 00:26:17,115

Yeah, there's a

607

00:26:17,115 --> 00:26:20,834

Speaker 2: lot of crying when people

go to me, medical school and nursing

608

00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:23,235

or whatever field you're calling home.

609

00:26:23,235 --> 00:26:26,084

If you have a home to call to and

you're like, oh my gosh, I don't know

610

00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,225

if I'm gonna make it through the day.

611

00:26:27,225 --> 00:26:30,584

I don't know why they put us through

this, but when you graduate and

612

00:26:30,584 --> 00:26:33,165

you pass that test, you're like,

I know why they were hard on us.

613

00:26:33,225 --> 00:26:33,314

Yeah.

614

00:26:33,375 --> 00:26:33,945

This is hard.

615

00:26:34,185 --> 00:26:34,274

Mm-hmm.

616

00:26:34,995 --> 00:26:37,185

Medical field is hard,

especially these days.

617

00:26:37,215 --> 00:26:39,585

'cause everyone Googles everything I know.

618

00:26:39,585 --> 00:26:41,145

And they think they're smarter than you.

619

00:26:41,655 --> 00:26:41,745

I know.

620

00:26:41,745 --> 00:26:42,435

And they question.

621

00:26:42,435 --> 00:26:45,405

So imagine working in your

office and someone's behind you.

622

00:26:47,385 --> 00:26:48,645

Throwing stuff at you.

623

00:26:49,365 --> 00:26:51,645

It's like you're fighting

for your job to explain why

624

00:26:51,645 --> 00:26:52,905

you're doing what you're doing.

625

00:26:53,024 --> 00:26:53,235

Speaker: Right.

626

00:26:53,235 --> 00:26:53,534

And people

627

00:26:53,534 --> 00:26:56,685

Speaker 2: get to, people are in your

office every single day and want to

628

00:26:56,685 --> 00:27:00,675

record or want to, they write down like

it's the Bible of what you're saying.

629

00:27:01,125 --> 00:27:01,425

Speaker: Right?

630

00:27:01,425 --> 00:27:01,514

And

631

00:27:01,905 --> 00:27:05,475

Speaker 2: they ask the same questions

to different people to try to get right.

632

00:27:05,475 --> 00:27:05,959

Different answers.

633

00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:08,070

It's hard.

634

00:27:08,075 --> 00:27:08,254

So

635

00:27:08,254 --> 00:27:08,375

Speaker: hard.

636

00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:09,120

So hard.

637

00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:10,800

Okay, so I interrupted your story.

638

00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:11,010

Yes.

639

00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:12,210

No, but so you're, you're go.

640

00:27:12,300 --> 00:27:12,720

Yeah,

641

00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,280

Speaker 2: I'm going through all this.

642

00:27:14,340 --> 00:27:17,129

And I kept on hearing something.

643

00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:18,720

You need to stop this.

644

00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:19,950

You need to travel.

645

00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:26,400

So that February, um, I

climbed my first mountain.

646

00:27:27,180 --> 00:27:28,379

I went to Arizona.

647

00:27:28,650 --> 00:27:31,230

My girlfriend took me through flat iron.

648

00:27:31,875 --> 00:27:32,715

A mountain.

649

00:27:33,135 --> 00:27:34,185

Never climbed a mountain.

650

00:27:34,215 --> 00:27:36,555

It took five hours on the way up.

651

00:27:36,555 --> 00:27:37,545

I cried.

652

00:27:38,805 --> 00:27:40,965

I laughed so hard, I almost peed my pants.

653

00:27:40,965 --> 00:27:42,105

I'm like, this isn't gonna be good.

654

00:27:42,105 --> 00:27:42,855

'cause we're on the mountain.

655

00:27:42,855 --> 00:27:44,235

We, we had a long ways to go.

656

00:27:44,505 --> 00:27:51,105

Um, I prayed, I heard God, I had,

there was a part, my girlfriends went

657

00:27:51,105 --> 00:27:55,065

up ahead of me and I'm like, how am

I going to get up and out of nowhere,

658

00:27:55,275 --> 00:27:59,385

this guy comes, puts his hand out

and he goes, I'll show you the steps.

659

00:27:59,385 --> 00:28:00,525

Listen to my word.

660

00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,280

He helped me get through that part

and then he disappeared and I'm

661

00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,379

like, that was one of God's angels.

662

00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:14,939

And I'm like, once I got to that top, I

felt so free and I felt like I saw the

663

00:28:14,939 --> 00:28:18,030

world and I'm like, I can do anything.

664

00:28:18,090 --> 00:28:20,040

I can have hard conversations.

665

00:28:20,044 --> 00:28:21,510

It's mind over Matter.

666

00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:23,340

That mountain was a mind over matter.

667

00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:25,169

I was not at my most physical fit.

668

00:28:25,169 --> 00:28:27,870

I've always exercised, but I

could have been better then.

669

00:28:28,695 --> 00:28:31,425

I did it and then I'm like, you know what?

670

00:28:31,815 --> 00:28:32,925

I can do anything.

671

00:28:33,135 --> 00:28:35,655

I have always known that,

but I really can do anything.

672

00:28:35,865 --> 00:28:37,635

I came back, I was a better nurse.

673

00:28:37,845 --> 00:28:39,165

I was a better charge.

674

00:28:39,225 --> 00:28:42,495

I was able to have harder conversations

with people and not be scared.

675

00:28:42,585 --> 00:28:43,605

Tell your truth.

676

00:28:43,935 --> 00:28:44,055

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

677

00:28:44,835 --> 00:28:45,495

Speaker 2: Tell your truth.

678

00:28:45,495 --> 00:28:49,665

I don't know everything, but this is

what I know and how can we do this?

679

00:28:49,695 --> 00:28:53,655

Um, after that, I made a decision

that I need to get a divorce.

680

00:28:54,495 --> 00:28:55,155

Speaker: Wow.

681

00:28:55,455 --> 00:28:56,054

Speaker 2: So that was

682

00:28:56,054 --> 00:28:57,584

Speaker: you making that decision?

683

00:28:57,764 --> 00:28:57,885

Speaker 2: Yes.

684

00:28:57,889 --> 00:28:58,090

That's tough.

685

00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:58,370

Speaker: Yes.

686

00:28:58,784 --> 00:28:59,054

Speaker 2: Yep.

687

00:28:59,084 --> 00:29:00,254

It was very tough.

688

00:29:00,345 --> 00:29:02,925

Um, I will always love Doug.

689

00:29:02,955 --> 00:29:04,185

He's an amazing dad.

690

00:29:04,215 --> 00:29:05,205

The kids love him.

691

00:29:05,205 --> 00:29:06,225

He adores them.

692

00:29:06,554 --> 00:29:13,064

Um, we did not grow together, so, um, I

had to make that decision, um, to do that.

693

00:29:13,274 --> 00:29:16,754

There's other things in the past

that I probably should have left long

694

00:29:16,754 --> 00:29:18,735

time ago when my daughter was born.

695

00:29:19,185 --> 00:29:20,685

Um, I don't wanna get into that.

696

00:29:21,315 --> 00:29:25,275

I didn't, because of my belief

in marriage, my belief in God.

697

00:29:25,665 --> 00:29:28,425

Um, I did everything

that I possibly could.

698

00:29:28,845 --> 00:29:32,775

Um, family kind of fell apart on his side.

699

00:29:33,105 --> 00:29:36,465

Um, it just all came together

and it was like it was time for

700

00:29:36,465 --> 00:29:39,765

me to leave and teach my kids.

701

00:29:39,945 --> 00:29:40,305

Um.

702

00:29:41,220 --> 00:29:44,340

That through all this, um,

you can still have love.

703

00:29:44,730 --> 00:29:48,870

Um, if you listen to our podcast, I

promote love from both parents and

704

00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:50,910

I'm very proud of Doug and I today.

705

00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:53,580

Um, where we at with our

relationship with our children

706

00:29:53,940 --> 00:29:55,470

and how we respect each other.

707

00:29:55,950 --> 00:30:00,540

Speaker: Well, and that's, that

was always my, my calling in doing

708

00:30:00,540 --> 00:30:03,420

this was to doing a mediation.

709

00:30:04,365 --> 00:30:08,415

Um, helping people get a

parenting plan together.

710

00:30:08,715 --> 00:30:11,475

Just keeping them focused

on their children.

711

00:30:11,535 --> 00:30:11,715

Speaker 2: Yep.

712

00:30:12,195 --> 00:30:14,055

Speaker: And know what no, no

matter what you're going through.

713

00:30:14,535 --> 00:30:14,715

Yeah.

714

00:30:14,715 --> 00:30:16,965

You know, just be supportive

of the other parent.

715

00:30:16,965 --> 00:30:23,115

And so I love that you knew to do that and

I can't help but ask for those women who

716

00:30:23,475 --> 00:30:29,865

that's, it's tough for a woman to decide

when they have the beliefs that you have.

717

00:30:30,750 --> 00:30:31,050

Oh.

718

00:30:31,140 --> 00:30:33,690

Um, to decide on divorce.

719

00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:38,310

I, how many years did it take you to come

to that decision and what was the process?

720

00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:42,630

Because everybody wants to

know how do I, how do I know?

721

00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:45,270

And I always say, work on

yourself like you do need to.

722

00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:46,410

That's what I did.

723

00:30:46,740 --> 00:30:46,980

Yeah.

724

00:30:46,980 --> 00:30:53,370

Really focus on yourself first, and

then sometimes, a lot of times, Lisa,

725

00:30:53,370 --> 00:30:57,630

that opens the door to the other

person kinda coming alongside you.

726

00:30:58,715 --> 00:30:58,855

I but that,

727

00:30:59,970 --> 00:31:00,390

Speaker 2: no.

728

00:31:00,390 --> 00:31:04,110

And, um, I asked for

everything that my needs were.

729

00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:07,320

I told him what my needs

were and they were not met.

730

00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:08,460

Um,

731

00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,280

I believe in men to protect

and provide for the family.

732

00:31:14,550 --> 00:31:18,780

Um, I was too masculine in my role.

733

00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,080

I wanted to be more feminine,

and I was not given the

734

00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,120

choice I had to be masculine.

735

00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,470

I provided for my family.

736

00:31:26,340 --> 00:31:26,700

Speaker: Yeah,

737

00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:28,080

Speaker 2: I couldn't do it anymore.

738

00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:31,500

Um, I raised the white flag.

739

00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:36,000

I'm like, I am exhausted and tired

and I need someone to partner with me.

740

00:31:36,780 --> 00:31:38,940

I told, um, him for years.

741

00:31:38,940 --> 00:31:41,880

I needed, I believed in him.

742

00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:45,840

Um, women when you, it's

not the easy decision.

743

00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,370

I went to my mom and dad.

744

00:31:47,460 --> 00:31:49,500

You're worried about disa your kids.

745

00:31:49,530 --> 00:31:49,740

Yeah.

746

00:31:49,740 --> 00:31:53,340

My kids are my love of

my life an important.

747

00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:58,980

They're the ones children hold us

back from making brave decisions.

748

00:31:59,580 --> 00:32:03,870

But you need, as parents, how

are you showing up for your kids?

749

00:32:03,870 --> 00:32:05,790

How are you showing them

love in your family?

750

00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:10,920

Are you letting them see acceptance that

shouldn't be accepted in how you want

751

00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,170

your kids to see their relationship?

752

00:32:14,580 --> 00:32:19,020

Like, um, you would want

to show love and respect.

753

00:32:19,365 --> 00:32:23,265

And if that's not being shown in your

marriage and you wonder why your kids

754

00:32:23,265 --> 00:32:25,215

end up with someone, they do well.

755

00:32:25,215 --> 00:32:29,175

They don't know anything different

If they grow up in a chaotic home

756

00:32:29,175 --> 00:32:35,265

that, I mean, it's your responsibility

also to teach and show what love is.

757

00:32:35,925 --> 00:32:37,755

What do you, what do you

want your kids to marry,

758

00:32:38,175 --> 00:32:38,325

Speaker 3: right?

759

00:32:38,325 --> 00:32:38,505

How do

760

00:32:38,505 --> 00:32:40,575

Speaker 2: you want your

son to act towards his wife?

761

00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:45,675

How do you want your daughter to

be with her husband because they're

762

00:32:45,675 --> 00:32:47,270

gonna only level up when you level up.

763

00:32:49,995 --> 00:32:56,415

Um, I think that's what encouraged

me to have brave and most women.

764

00:32:56,535 --> 00:33:00,525

Like for me, it, it was years of thinking.

765

00:33:00,735 --> 00:33:05,055

It was years of, um, and I,

we went to therapy for a year.

766

00:33:05,775 --> 00:33:08,775

My therapist told me one day, you'll

walk in here and you will know.

767

00:33:08,775 --> 00:33:10,395

And I'm like, how is that possible?

768

00:33:10,695 --> 00:33:13,605

'cause I was trying everything and one

day I walked in and I'm like, I'm done.

769

00:33:14,685 --> 00:33:15,885

And it was clear to me.

770

00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:19,800

Um, I didn't do everything perfect.

771

00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:21,210

It's not pretty.

772

00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:21,930

Speaker: No.

773

00:33:22,890 --> 00:33:26,010

Speaker 2: Um, Doug and I lived with

each other for a year to get, um,

774

00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:27,420

our daughter through 10th grade.

775

00:33:27,810 --> 00:33:31,200

So she felt like she was in a stable

home, but she knew what was coming.

776

00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:33,810

Um, we wanted to do it right for her.

777

00:33:33,810 --> 00:33:36,750

We wanted to do it in the summertime,

so she didn't have the stress, but she

778

00:33:36,750 --> 00:33:38,250

still went through stress through school.

779

00:33:39,330 --> 00:33:42,930

Um, but we sh um, we are both

very respectful to each other.

780

00:33:43,139 --> 00:33:48,330

But the sad thing is if I were to do

it over, um, I left a lot of nights.

781

00:33:49,050 --> 00:33:51,270

My daughter thought I was

going to the bar every night.

782

00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,000

This is where we need, my

daughter was in 10th grade.

783

00:33:54,090 --> 00:33:55,740

Um, our kids are very smart.

784

00:33:56,429 --> 00:34:00,659

Um, I'm like, grace, I was

not ever going to the bar.

785

00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,629

Like, I'm like, oh my God,

that you thought that.

786

00:34:03,629 --> 00:34:08,279

So, aw, if I were to reverse all of that,

like that was all going through her head.

787

00:34:08,429 --> 00:34:09,960

That breaks my heart.

788

00:34:10,290 --> 00:34:12,179

So I had to tell her the truth.

789

00:34:13,500 --> 00:34:16,110

Our kids can handle

more than you can think.

790

00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:21,659

Like I, I made mistakes through the

process, but I was scared as an adult and

791

00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:23,670

I think we, it's okay to tell our kids.

792

00:34:24,225 --> 00:34:27,405

Um, the therapist will be

like, this is between you and

793

00:34:27,405 --> 00:34:28,905

your husband and nobody else.

794

00:34:29,445 --> 00:34:30,554

But kids are smart.

795

00:34:30,554 --> 00:34:32,085

I was smart at her age.

796

00:34:32,085 --> 00:34:33,764

I knew what was going on with my parents.

797

00:34:33,764 --> 00:34:35,175

My parents, I'm proud of them.

798

00:34:35,205 --> 00:34:38,445

And they married for 52 years, um, or 53.

799

00:34:38,745 --> 00:34:39,435

It's amazing.

800

00:34:39,435 --> 00:34:40,034

They're together.

801

00:34:40,335 --> 00:34:43,665

Um, you know, we're always afraid of

disappointing people, but you should be

802

00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:45,045

worried about disappointing yourself.

803

00:34:45,045 --> 00:34:46,485

You have one life to live.

804

00:34:46,844 --> 00:34:49,725

I went to my mom and dad and I'm like,

mom and dad have something to tell you.

805

00:34:49,725 --> 00:34:52,395

I didn't even tell 'em we were

separated in the house, and I'm like.

806

00:34:52,784 --> 00:34:56,955

I'm getting a divorce and my mom's

like, uh, you only live one life.

807

00:34:57,045 --> 00:34:58,695

And I'm like, okay.

808

00:34:58,905 --> 00:35:02,325

And then I'm like, dad, you know

that I would never get a divorce.

809

00:35:02,325 --> 00:35:03,015

I'm a Christian.

810

00:35:03,015 --> 00:35:04,215

I don't, I wouldn't want this.

811

00:35:04,215 --> 00:35:06,465

And he goes, baby girl,

it's okay to get a divorce.

812

00:35:07,005 --> 00:35:08,475

My parents were very supportive.

813

00:35:08,865 --> 00:35:08,955

Speaker: Good.

814

00:35:10,065 --> 00:35:11,355

And how are your kids doing?

815

00:35:11,955 --> 00:35:15,855

Speaker 2: Um, you know, they're,

uh, Ryan and I are together,

816

00:35:15,855 --> 00:35:17,505

and our kids have not met.

817

00:35:17,775 --> 00:35:21,405

I have not met Ryan's youngest,

which I think is coming because

818

00:35:21,405 --> 00:35:22,635

he just had that talk with her.

819

00:35:22,635 --> 00:35:24,525

We've been with each other for 19 months.

820

00:35:25,155 --> 00:35:27,735

We're, I listened to my therapist also.

821

00:35:27,735 --> 00:35:30,225

They're all, we have two 17 year olds.

822

00:35:30,225 --> 00:35:32,175

I have a 23-year-old and

he has a 19-year-old.

823

00:35:32,205 --> 00:35:34,545

They're becoming adults.

824

00:35:35,205 --> 00:35:37,515

We're letting them set the

tone for the relationship.

825

00:35:37,515 --> 00:35:37,965

We're not.

826

00:35:38,325 --> 00:35:43,125

Pressuring, um, we all, all

will meet here in the future.

827

00:35:43,185 --> 00:35:45,495

Um, we've told all the kids

and I think they're ready.

828

00:35:45,855 --> 00:35:49,935

Um, but we're trying to, we were trying

to establish our own new relationship

829

00:35:49,935 --> 00:35:51,674

with our kids and not pressuring them.

830

00:35:52,035 --> 00:35:52,125

Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

831

00:35:52,365 --> 00:35:54,464

Speaker 2: Because they have

plenty of time and so do we.

832

00:35:54,464 --> 00:35:59,055

And being a teenager and going through

divorce for any kid, it's tough.

833

00:35:59,535 --> 00:36:01,875

And they both love each of their parents.

834

00:36:01,875 --> 00:36:03,855

And, um, my daughter's amazing.

835

00:36:03,855 --> 00:36:04,185

She wants.

836

00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:09,029

She is spending time with, um,

both her dad and I, and she

837

00:36:09,029 --> 00:36:10,529

wants, she's doing it equal.

838

00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,880

She's worried about both of us.

839

00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,410

And I'm like, you don't

have to worry about us.

840

00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,960

So she is like, mom, I've

spent this many days with you.

841

00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,120

I have to go spend that

many days with her dad.

842

00:36:18,779 --> 00:36:21,390

And what a beautiful heart she has.

843

00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:22,350

Speaker: I know.

844

00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:24,540

And then I feel bad that

she has that pressure.

845

00:36:24,900 --> 00:36:25,200

Yeah.

846

00:36:25,230 --> 00:36:25,680

You know, and

847

00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,029

Speaker 2: packing her bag, it

sucks for a, a girl and all her

848

00:36:30,029 --> 00:36:31,710

makeup and everything and pack.

849

00:36:31,710 --> 00:36:33,660

She's like, it sucks packing my bag.

850

00:36:34,259 --> 00:36:38,160

And, um, so we tried to make it

easier, but I, I told her makeup, like,

851

00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,359

you're gonna have to get a second job.

852

00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:40,589

'cause I'm not buying two of those.

853

00:36:42,779 --> 00:36:44,759

But, um, we try to make it easier on her.

854

00:36:44,759 --> 00:36:49,859

And, um, Doug and I are just making her

bedrooms her own home at each place.

855

00:36:49,859 --> 00:36:54,089

And, um, she's welcome and

she's free to make her choice

856

00:36:54,089 --> 00:36:55,319

of where she wants to stay.

857

00:36:55,319 --> 00:36:59,850

And, um, she has a dad that loves

her so much and I love her so

858

00:36:59,850 --> 00:37:02,490

much and we both want her so, um.

859

00:37:03,090 --> 00:37:04,380

It's hard on kids.

860

00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,210

Speaker: Okay, let now

let me ask you something.

861

00:37:06,210 --> 00:37:10,110

So one thing that I sometimes

tell people, but this is when

862

00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:11,460

their kids, how old is she?

863

00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:12,420

17.

864

00:37:12,420 --> 00:37:13,655

She's a senior in high

school, so she's older.

865

00:37:13,980 --> 00:37:20,100

So when they're younger, I kind of say

that the parents need to make the decision

866

00:37:20,370 --> 00:37:25,020

because that's a lot of pressure on a kid

to decide to make that decide like, well,

867

00:37:25,020 --> 00:37:27,570

I wanna be here or there, and they're

gonna be worried about the other parent.

868

00:37:27,570 --> 00:37:28,950

And I hear that she is.

869

00:37:29,535 --> 00:37:30,345

She is worried still.

870

00:37:30,345 --> 00:37:32,655

She maybe isn't staying

where she wants because she's

871

00:37:32,655 --> 00:37:34,365

staying, she's doing it equal.

872

00:37:34,695 --> 00:37:34,755

Yeah.

873

00:37:34,755 --> 00:37:36,135

And that's how she's coping with it.

874

00:37:36,135 --> 00:37:37,875

Are Do you live close together?

875

00:37:38,145 --> 00:37:38,595

Oh yeah.

876

00:37:38,595 --> 00:37:39,885

We're like 10 minutes apart.

877

00:37:39,945 --> 00:37:40,425

That's nice.

878

00:37:40,845 --> 00:37:46,335

Speaker 2: And um, she, um, grace

is more what I see right now.

879

00:37:46,335 --> 00:37:51,405

She likes, um, tradition and she

likes, um, to have a schedule.

880

00:37:52,095 --> 00:37:52,725

Now.

881

00:37:52,755 --> 00:37:56,415

Her dad is good with that like

schedule and having dinners.

882

00:37:56,565 --> 00:37:58,185

I fly by the seat of my pants.

883

00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,730

I've always had to, because of the

work that I had to do to provide for

884

00:38:02,730 --> 00:38:08,130

my family, so I couldn't be the parent

that was there at a certain time.

885

00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,900

I, I lived in my uniform.

886

00:38:10,605 --> 00:38:14,205

I lived at my uniform at

Baseball Fields, concerts Church.

887

00:38:14,330 --> 00:38:17,775

I, I was always in my

uniform and now I'm not.

888

00:38:17,865 --> 00:38:22,155

I, I'm working my, I work 10 days

a month and I'm doing this other

889

00:38:22,155 --> 00:38:26,595

side and, um, so I get to spend more

time with my kids if they allow me.

890

00:38:26,625 --> 00:38:28,425

They, they're so busy with their friends.

891

00:38:28,455 --> 00:38:28,665

Yeah.

892

00:38:28,725 --> 00:38:31,065

Um, my son, um, I'm letting.

893

00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:33,470

He's an adult, so he's doing his thing.

894

00:38:33,470 --> 00:38:37,310

He hasn't spent a lot of time with me,

but our communication is really good.

895

00:38:37,315 --> 00:38:37,585

Good.

896

00:38:37,589 --> 00:38:43,520

And he knows he is loved and he

is welcomed and um, and he's, he

897

00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,319

has great support by my parents.

898

00:38:45,799 --> 00:38:46,250

Um.

899

00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:50,690

Their grandparents support the kids

and um, they welcome Doug and I both.

900

00:38:50,690 --> 00:38:54,350

And so I grew up in a family that

aunt and uncle got divorced and my

901

00:38:54,350 --> 00:38:57,859

uncle had a different girlfriend every

year and he'd bring 'em to Christmas.

902

00:38:57,859 --> 00:39:01,310

And we are all one big happy

family and that's what I pray for.

903

00:39:01,549 --> 00:39:01,670

Yeah.

904

00:39:01,670 --> 00:39:04,460

That we don't ha we can all be together.

905

00:39:04,460 --> 00:39:08,270

And um, I pray for Doug and I to

be able to do that and I met Doug's

906

00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:12,500

girlfriend and she's wonderful and they

live together and I'm happy for him.

907

00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:13,335

Speaker: Awesome.

908

00:39:13,335 --> 00:39:15,015

Is that hard for your daughter?

909

00:39:15,015 --> 00:39:17,174

That they live together

and she stays there?

910

00:39:17,565 --> 00:39:18,855

Um, she hasn't expressed a

911

00:39:18,855 --> 00:39:19,305

Speaker 2: lot Uhhuh.

912

00:39:20,055 --> 00:39:20,265

Speaker: Um,

913

00:39:20,595 --> 00:39:22,785

Speaker 2: no, I think

she feels comfortable.

914

00:39:23,265 --> 00:39:23,415

Okay.

915

00:39:23,415 --> 00:39:23,504

Good.

916

00:39:23,504 --> 00:39:24,464

It takes a village.

917

00:39:24,464 --> 00:39:24,555

Mm-hmm.

918

00:39:24,855 --> 00:39:30,615

Like if there's one more person to

open their house and love my daughter.

919

00:39:30,615 --> 00:39:31,455

Thank you.

920

00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:31,940

Right.

921

00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:34,080

Thank you so much.

922

00:39:34,259 --> 00:39:34,680

Right.

923

00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:38,190

I want my kids to be comfortable

and loved by other people.

924

00:39:38,279 --> 00:39:38,819

Speaker: Yes.

925

00:39:38,819 --> 00:39:39,509

Amen.

926

00:39:39,540 --> 00:39:41,880

Okay, so you're working as the nurse.

927

00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:42,180

Yep.

928

00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:44,370

And you're doing coaching.

929

00:39:44,549 --> 00:39:45,089

Yep.

930

00:39:45,150 --> 00:39:45,750

I'm helping

931

00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:46,410

Speaker 2: women.

932

00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:52,830

Um, when they are kind of like you when

they are in transition of life, when

933

00:39:52,830 --> 00:39:56,370

their ki kids leave the nest are ready

to, or they're like, you know what?

934

00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:57,750

I don't wanna do the same job.

935

00:39:57,750 --> 00:39:59,250

We don't have to be at

the same job forever.

936

00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:01,680

I wanna expand or entrepreneurship.

937

00:40:02,595 --> 00:40:06,735

I am not this big, rich

girl with all this money.

938

00:40:06,795 --> 00:40:07,605

I am a nurse.

939

00:40:07,605 --> 00:40:09,675

Everybody knows about what nurses make.

940

00:40:09,675 --> 00:40:11,595

I've been a nurse for 24 years.

941

00:40:11,595 --> 00:40:14,895

You could probably go look it up in

Minnesota, you'll see what my salary is.

942

00:40:14,895 --> 00:40:16,095

It's no hidden.

943

00:40:16,185 --> 00:40:17,025

There's nothing hidden.

944

00:40:17,025 --> 00:40:18,345

I don't have family money.

945

00:40:18,735 --> 00:40:21,795

I'm doing this all on my own

and I'm doing it, and I took

946

00:40:21,795 --> 00:40:23,715

the chance and it's working.

947

00:40:23,985 --> 00:40:24,345

Speaker: Yep.

948

00:40:25,140 --> 00:40:25,830

I love that.

949

00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:29,009

Speaker 2: So I want to encourage

other people to do that.

950

00:40:29,279 --> 00:40:33,299

And people don't have confidence in

themselves or they need that friend.

951

00:40:33,299 --> 00:40:36,839

I wanna be your friend that

helps you find the best self.

952

00:40:36,839 --> 00:40:42,660

Or I'm not gonna, um, focus on

prob like people in your family.

953

00:40:42,660 --> 00:40:45,419

Like I don't need all the drama

'cause I'm not gonna be that

954

00:40:45,419 --> 00:40:47,279

person that you bounce drama off.

955

00:40:47,339 --> 00:40:50,040

We're gonna do what's best for

you and how to get to that next

956

00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:50,970

step and be your better self.

957

00:40:51,884 --> 00:40:54,705

Speaker: Yeah, kind of moving forward

and I think I'm looking at the time,

958

00:40:54,705 --> 00:40:55,875

I'm like, woo, I went, went over.

959

00:40:55,964 --> 00:40:56,145

I could

960

00:40:56,145 --> 00:40:56,354

Speaker 2: talk

961

00:40:56,354 --> 00:40:57,044

Speaker: to you forever.

962

00:40:57,104 --> 00:40:57,435

I know.

963

00:40:57,435 --> 00:40:58,455

I feel that way too.

964

00:40:58,455 --> 00:40:59,234

I love that.

965

00:40:59,234 --> 00:41:00,075

I feel that.

966

00:41:00,435 --> 00:41:04,004

But just to kind of end this with,

and it it goes with what you said,

967

00:41:04,004 --> 00:41:06,015

Lisa, I so appreciate you being here.

968

00:41:06,015 --> 00:41:10,814

And what I do want women to know,

I don't think I really got into my

969

00:41:10,814 --> 00:41:14,265

groove until I was in my late forties.

970

00:41:15,255 --> 00:41:18,015

And, you know, it doesn't mean

that I, I hadn't worked or done

971

00:41:18,015 --> 00:41:19,965

things, but I was a little lost.

972

00:41:19,965 --> 00:41:24,525

And I remember I started listening

to podcasts and I was like, there's

973

00:41:24,525 --> 00:41:26,385

a whole new world out there.

974

00:41:26,415 --> 00:41:26,505

Mm-hmm.

975

00:41:27,255 --> 00:41:32,805

And just because you are 40 and

beyond, 50 and beyond mm-hmm.

976

00:41:33,045 --> 00:41:39,165

Even 60 does not mean that there is not

a calling on your life for you to follow.

977

00:41:39,165 --> 00:41:40,305

So hang on to that.

978

00:41:41,685 --> 00:41:42,495

Lisa and with it.

979

00:41:42,585 --> 00:41:43,045

Yes, yes.

980

00:41:43,725 --> 00:41:47,385

Speaker 2: Um, our nonprofit is going

to be to help people in Minnesota.

981

00:41:47,745 --> 00:41:51,825

Um, we want to go help the less

privilege or people that need a

982

00:41:51,825 --> 00:41:53,385

stepping stone to start their life.

983

00:41:53,385 --> 00:41:54,825

That's what Ryan and I are gonna do.

984

00:41:54,825 --> 00:41:56,265

We're gonna go hit the streets.

985

00:41:56,445 --> 00:41:56,750

I love that.

986

00:41:56,750 --> 00:42:01,515

And we're gonna help people and we wanna

give back, so, and we're like, let's do it

987

00:42:01,515 --> 00:42:03,225

In Minnesota, every state needs something.

988

00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,440

Speaker: So Well, I love that.

989

00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,540

Well, we're gonna have to have

you on to talk about that next.

990

00:42:07,540 --> 00:42:08,109

Yes,

991

00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:08,500

Speaker 2: yes.

992

00:42:08,705 --> 00:42:10,839

And I would love you to

have you on our podcast.

993

00:42:10,839 --> 00:42:10,960

I

994

00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,250

Speaker: would love to be on it.

995

00:42:12,254 --> 00:42:13,025

Yes, I would love to.

996

00:42:13,205 --> 00:42:14,500

It was just a pleasure.

997

00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,180

I'm so grateful to have met you.

998

00:42:16,299 --> 00:42:17,710

Speaker 2: I'm grateful to meet you too.

999

00:42:17,710 --> 00:42:20,950

And let's be the kind and

love and the light for others.

1000

00:42:20,980 --> 00:42:21,100

Yes.

1001

00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,740

And, um, start it with our

families and let it go up.

1002

00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:25,735

Light up every Amen.

1003

00:42:25,735 --> 00:42:26,870

Let's light up the world.

1004

00:42:26,875 --> 00:42:27,415

And I'm sorry.

1005

00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:28,055

There we go.

1006

00:42:28,775 --> 00:42:33,020

And I, and we are so sorry

for everyone out there and our

1007

00:42:33,020 --> 00:42:35,870

prayers go out to everybody.

1008

00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:39,350

And our biggest thing is we

can't be scared we mm-hmm.

1009

00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:42,020

Um, we just can't be scared.

1010

00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:43,220

We can't let the devil win.

1011

00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:43,820

So

1012

00:42:43,970 --> 00:42:45,350

Speaker: gotta let that light shine.

1013

00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:46,130

Yes.

1014

00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:46,670

Amen.