Feeling healthy but still tired, foggy, or inflamed? In this insightful episode of the TPE Blueprint Podcast, host Joe Fier welcomes Sarah Collins and Jessica Rafaeil from MD Lifespan for an open conversation about battling toxins. Both guests share their personal toxin test journeys, strategies for detoxing, and the real-world impact on their lives. You’ll learn how two different approaches, avoidance and more clinical intervention, can shape your path to better energy and well-being. If you’re curious about what might be lurking in your environment and how to get clarity, this is the episode for you!

Topics Discussed

• Personal Toxin Awareness: How Sarah Collins and Jessica Rafaeil came to understand environmental toxins, even while living healthy lifestyles
• The Toxin Test: What it is, how it works, and the surprising findings in their own results
• Sources of Everyday Toxins: Where toxins hide in our food, homes, water, personal care products, and environments
• Parenting & Toxins: How toxin awareness is shaping choices for family, especially with young children
• Two Detox Approaches...
• Jessica Rafaeil's Approach: Avoidance tactics (clean food, water, air, products) and lifestyle detox methods (saunas, binders, nutrition)
• Sarah Collins Approach: Medical treatments (TPE/Plasma Exchange), avoidance measures, and integrative health support
• Making Detox a Lifestyle: How shifting perspective from quick cleanses to ongoing, incremental changes led to significant results
• Results & Reflections: Emotional reactions to test results, challenges with family and social pressures, and successes reducing toxin loads
• Tools for Action: Using apps and professional guidance to make smarter toxin-free choices

Resources Mentioned

• Get Your Toxin Test: https://tests.mdlifespan.com/toxin-test and get $200 off with code: PODCAST200
• Guidebooks: https://mdlifespan.com/guidebooks/
• YUKA App: https://yuka.io/en/
• Germ Guardian Air Purifiers:
• GOOP Beauty Products: https://goop.com/
• Activated Charcoal Supplement
• Infrared Sauna Therapy

Timestamps

00:00 Introduction and Episode Overview

00:07 Meet the Guests: Sarah Collins and Jessica Rafaeil

01:38 Understanding Toxins: Sarah's Journey

02:34 Jessica's Experience with Toxins

08:43 Jessica's Toxin Test Results and Reactions

14:46 Sarah's Toxin Test Results and Reactions

23:18 Introduction to MDL Clean and Supplementation

24:56 Experiences After TPE Session

26:15 Jessica's Detox Approach

27:41 Incorporating Detox into Daily Life

29:32 Activated Charcoal and IR Saunas

31:07 Challenges and Adjustments in Detox

37:45 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

Connect with Us

• MDLifespan Website: https://mdlifespan.com/
• Subscribe and Listen: https://mdlifespan.com/the-tpe-blueprint-podcasts/
• Guidebooks: https://mdlifespan.com/guidebooks/
• Follow on Instagram: https://instagram.com/mdlifespan

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Disclaimer MDLifespan PlasmaXchange protocols are designed to support general health and wellness. They are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. The information provided on this podcast is for educational purposes only and should not replace medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider before beginning any new health program, especially if you have a medical condition or are taking prescribed medications.

here, think you're healthy, but you still feeling kind of tired, foggy, or inflamed.

Well, this episode's gonna be a fun one.

I have a duo with me here.

We have Sarah Collins and Jessica Rafaeil.

Both are working with MD Lifespan and they are here to show you their

data, their toxin tests, and we're gonna talk it through what they

learned, what they did about it.

They both had two different approaches.

We're gonna dive into how their different approaches, uh, worked, what

they learned, and some of the results.

So you can start to understand what happens when you understand your

own data, when you have a toxin test and you see what's lurking inside of

you, and then giving you a bunch of options on what to do past that point.

So I urge you definitely go discover your own results.

It's very simple.

There's a toxin test and a talk that's available to you right now.

Just go to the website.

MD lifespan.com/toxin test.

You can use the code Podcast 200.

It's gonna knock off $200 from that toxin test.

And this is the way you understand your data so you know what to

do about what's inside of you.

Alright, let's dive into this.

It's gonna be a great one.

There's some visuals, so make sure you're watching as well.

Alright, see you then.

Jessica, Sarah, it's awesome to have you both on the podcast.

First time we're doing like a panel talk and this one's kind of,

well, it is really fun because we chat all the time already because.

You both work?

Well, we all work for, uh, MD lifespan.

So, um, we're getting kind of some inside scoop, but you guys both have

different approaches to how you've been dealing with your toxin loads.

So, um, I guess before we get into it, like starting with,

I'm gonna start with Sarah.

What, um, yeah, just, just a brief of your, um.

The approach to toxins.

I don't wanna like give it all away really quick, but like, just gimme

like a 32nd brief and then I'll, I'll, we'll go to you, Jessica, and then

I'm gonna also like, interject with something I've been up to as well.

Okay.

I. Wouldn't have been able to define toxins a year ago.

I came from a pretty holistic background, yoga training, uh, clean

eater, organic eater for the most part.

But if you asked me what a toxin was, I would probably say drugs and alcohol.

So,

Yeah.

um, I have learned quite a bit since working on the business

Nice, and we'll get into kind of the, uh, I wouldn't say before and

after, but your approach is different than what Jessica's been up to.

So, Jessica, yeah.

Let's, uh, go over to you.

I was aware of like the toxin conversation.

I would've considered myself someone who lived a generally low talk lifestyle,

um, but didn't realize the connection.

To, you know, toxins have to all sorts of illnesses and ailments.

Um, and definitely had no idea that there was even a way to gauge the number

of environmental toxins in my body.

I was attracted to MD Lifespan because of the core mission and the idea of

like raising awareness about toxins.

But I've learned so much about individual toxins and places that

they're hiding in my home and in my life that I didn't know before.

what are the few things you've learned over the last, well,

it's been like about a year-ish.

I came into MD Lifespan in April of 2024, um, and was actually coming off of the

wave of a pretty crazy health crisis.

Um, I was losing vision in one of my eyes and.

Went to a lot of specialists, nobody could figure out what was happening to me.

Um, so I was very intrigued in finding a solution.

And working with Dr.

Paul Savage, I learned about the connection between toxins and

inflammation and toxins and disease.

Um, and how if you've got inflammation in your body, your

body's just gonna go crazy.

So the things that I learned, especially from taking my first toxin test were,

you know, the toxins hiding in my food.

Um, you know, I've always been a pretty clean eater, but there are clean

foods out there that just have toxins.

They have molds, they have, you know, all sorts of plastics riddled

in them that I wasn't aware of.

Um, and like beauty products, you know, I was in the process of cleaning

up my beauty to what I thought were clean products, only to find out.

They've still got a lot of pretty crazy endocrine disruptors.

Didn't know what those were, had no idea that I was washing my body with soap

that was killing me from the inside out.

Yeah, so you definitely have done the, and I'll just say it here, you've been a lot

more on the avoidance path, so like what's kind of cool here with you and Sarah,

there's two different approaches here.

So we're just kind of setting the scene here, walk everybody through it.

Well, Sarah, uh, over to you with, uh, kind of the similar thing, like, are there

a few things over the last, you know, uh, the span of time you've been at MDL,

you know, MD Lifespan, what stands out in terms of toxins, what you've taken away

and like shifted your thinking around.

I would say it is not what you put in, it's what you take out.

And so you think about avoidance, going to the grocery store, picking

organic food, trying to pick.

Natural products for my children.

You know, I think as a, as a new mom, you certainly learn what's best for yourself

through your children in, in a lot of cases, and from a avoidance standpoint.

In my house, after I took my toxin test, I understood, wow, this mold is.

In the home that I am in, we just bought this home.

We're not moving to a new home, so we purchased the air purifiers

that are now in each of our rooms.

This home already had a reverse osmosis in the home, but

we've had that upgraded since.

So my therapies had to be a, a much more intensive and kind

of start at the ground level.

That's, I mean, you nailed the big ones too, right?

Or air and water, and of course food too, but it seems like, like would you.

And with kids too.

I'm just thinking because, you know, I've, I have a couple little ones and Yeah, you

said new moms, so, I mean, it's like all these things, you're just like, oh my God,

I gotta start the kids outright because they're just little sponges, right?

Like for, for this stuff, if you're not addressing it from day one.

what Paul has shared and the.

New echo study about children being more toxic than their parents.

You know, I, I saw that with both of my young children.

I have a 5-year-old and a 3-year-old.

the 3-year-old was more coy than the 5-year-old.

And understanding going into having children, if I would've

been able to do some of those small things just in my environment.

How they could be impacted.

Well, environment, and I think that's a big thing that, you know, we talked

about, I guess environment, meaning the location of where you live.

Yeah, I'm kind of curious of your thoughts there and, and, and also just

what's in your home like, because it's the stuff we can control, but we don't

really, I don't feel like we understand it until we see our own data, like our

toxin data, you know, the actual numbers.

So, um, yeah.

Any, any thoughts on that, on like location base and, and, and how

that might have played into each of your, you know, toxin loads after

you figured out what's in you?

growing up I went to a cabin in the woods, majority of my summers that didn't

see the light of day in the winter.

So the mold existing there.

The mold existing in the homes that I've lived in.

I live in Wisconsin and Milwaukee, and the home I'm in now is

more than a hundred years old.

It's beautiful on the outside.

Uh, the pipes are lead, there's asbestos in the walls, so it's, it's a matter of,

you know, being close to the city and living in an old home or moving half an

hour outta the city for a newer residence.

And Jessica, I know you're in like a totally different

kind of environment, right?

Yeah, I'm smack dab in the heart of Atlanta, um, in the middle of the city.

So we have a lot of air pollution.

Um, you know, there's a cars everywhere and industrial activities, so it's

really hard to escape unless you go, you know, up to the mountains.

But I grew up in Florida, um, and, you know, there's so much going on

there with the water and everything.

So I think just going from that kind of environment to a big

city and kind of being inundated with toxins in my environment.

But you do a pretty dang good job from what I've understood so far.

We'll get into it.

Um, Jess, let's start there because like, I wanna talk about the toxin test.

'cause you, you shared, both of you shared yours with me.

Uh, Jessica, you have two of 'em.

It's kinda like this before and after, but.

You know, like what's the, I guess what was your first reaction as when you first

saw your toxin load and like, I guess, yeah, initial reaction and also what were

the things that you started to focus on?

Gut reaction was I was shocked and I was scared, and.

You know, we can show my results from the first test that I

did about a year ago already.

Um, which.

In retrospect, looking at like the clients that we treat was not as bad.

Um, I was kind of in that middle yellow, high yellow area.

The toxin test kind of score you from green to red, green being

good, red being really, really bad.

So I was in that, I was living in that yellow space.

Um, so I was approached with, you know, you've got the toxins.

They're starting to wreak ha on your body and if you don't do anything

now you're gonna end up in that red space and it's gonna be a lot harder.

Um.

I was really shocked to see like mycotoxins and mold, that to me, I

just, I didn't really register, you know, the exposure to things like that.

Um, you know, I grew up in Florida, hurricane season, a lot of, you know,

wet damp walls and flooding that happens.

Um, and I felt really overwhelmed.

You know, initially when I first saw it, because I started to spiral.

I was like.

Well, I have to do everything to get rid of these plastics and these BPAs,

and I'm, you know, running through my house, just throwing things into

the trash can because, you know, they're all toxic, everything's toxic.

I think once I was able to really kind of, one, take a beat and understand

that everybody has toxins and there's really no way of escaping this,

especially in the world that we live in.

And two, there was an opportunity to move forward in a different way.

So, you know, I didn't have to change my life in one night.

That was gonna be impossible.

But chipping away at things slowly, you know, taking a few

weeks to kind of absorb one thing.

You know, maybe I focus this week on eliminating all of my, you know,

laundry detergent and switching over to clean laundry detergent and then

moving to the bathroom and then, making sure that I wash all of my produce.

Um.

Changing my diet was a really big thing.

You know, I didn't fully eliminate a lot of stuff, but I scaled back.

You know, I, I'm a big rice eater.

I grew up in a Puerto Rican family.

Rice and beans was a staple in our house.

Um, so, you know, cutting back on rice, because it is a source of

arsenic, it is a source of mold.

Um, switching up my coffee DA again, Puerto Rican household,

daily coffee drinker.

Um, that was not gonna go away.

So I found, you know, some options that do third party

testing, things of that nature.

And then as Paul always mentions, you know, air and water, so we went from

drinking in plastic water bottles to only drinking reverse osmosis bottles

and BPA free plastic or glass bottles.

that was a huge thing in my house.

And then.

Finding ways to detox on my own.

I was not fortunate enough to have an MD lifespan clinic in Atlanta yet.

Um, so for me it was relying on the avoidance tactics and my own,

repairing my own detoxification process inside of my body.

yeah.

You've done it without TPE and I don't want cat outta the bag yet of, but

like, how many toxins did you have?

And, and kind of like where, and we'll, we'll show it on screen

here, but Yeah, just from how you could describe it from your

Yeah, I had about 10 that were, you know, in the semi problematic range.

Um, and a lot of it was, you know, uh, pesticides, BPAs, and mycotoxins.

Um, and in 12 months through avoidance and other detoxification protocols

that are, you know, supported by MD lifespan protocols, um, I was

able to bring that down to two

Geez.

they're like right at the end of yellow.

So I'm just out of the green area.

So,

what are the two that left over?

yeah, so one of them is a pesticide, so D-M-T-P-I think is the, the big one.

Um.

And the other one is actually a byproduct.

Uh, it's a protein byproduct, uh, that my body just synthesizes on its own,

and that's just a matter of focusing on mitochondrial health, um, cellular repair.

That's the TG one.

I

yeah.

Yeah, that one.

That's impressive.

Don't ask me to say it, but yeah, that one.

No, and this is why I'm like, and I'm not, we're obviously not Dr. Savage.

We're not gonna interpret all of this stuff, and there's a lot of data.

Big thing is know your data and, um, shameless plug, but not shameless

at all, but go get your data, y'all like, basically at the end

of the day, the toxin test is what got you this initial data, right?

So you can actually understand where you're starting at.

That's why there's a whole toxin test and talk.

So it's not only understanding your numbers or getting your numbers,

you're talking with someone from MD Lifespan to actually go through and

interpret the data and next steps.

Makes it a little less scary, which is also very important.

You might get the shock factor, like my wife Heather just talked to Dr.

Savage today about hers, and I'm like, oh, wow.

And totally new awareness.

And I think it just, it puts the, the blinders on the focus.

So definitely go get yours at, uh, md lifespan.com/toxin test.

And there's a $200 code that if you use Podcast 200, podcast 200 as a little

coupon code, it'll knock off 200 bucks.

So.

Um, do it because I don't think we've shouted out at coupon code on the podcast.

We've, we've talked about the toxin test, but that's why is, you know, know your

data first and it's the same exact one Jessica, that you're talking about here.

Sarah, over to you.

I wanna, I wanna talk about like your shaking your head.

Well,

Jess had 10 in the yellow.

I have 15 in the yellow and 10 in the red.

So we look at 109 different toxins within four categories.

So the definition of toxins, it falls into one of those four categories, mycotoxins,

which is mold that Jess already went over.

Environmental toxins, herbicides, pesticides, Roundup.

You know, I used to be a gardener before I had kids.

Um, forever, forever chemicals.

So that's the PFAS and the BPA.

And after that we look at the heavy metals, which is aluminum.

You know, I just switched from deodorant and antiperspirant, which

is aluminum to just regular deodorant.

That was rough, I had 10 in the high critical range.

And if you go back to the stoplight of, you know, yellow, green, red,

10 in the red is, is pretty scary.

So overall, out of the 109 that we measure for, I have 25 in the critical range

So what was your reaction when you got your data and where

did your brain go to focus?

I just wanted to know more about each of the categories.

You know, I understood that, you know, mold spores could be bad to breathe in.

I understood that, you know, you weren't supposed to it.

Eat fish with mercury.

Uh, you know, there's all been tidbits of information over my past.

You know, I only ate fish for nine years and following the research around that

and to eat, you know, wild versus farmed, it was just starting to knock off.

New pieces of information that I didn't have before.

Obviously understanding what BPA risks are and you know, the, the whole

shift of BPA free coming to light, it was clearly a reason for that.

But what I didn't understand is how your body harnesses those toxins

and creates an environment that is garbage for you to live within.

You know, I just thought, well, I'm tired in the afternoon because I've

got little kids and because I'm getting older or you know, I can't

remember this person's name or this.

Story because of those reasons too.

Well, turns out that's that's not true.

It's because of what's happening all in here in my body.

Totally.

Well, and you brought up, it's interesting, I don't know if we have

the answers, but everybody's body is different, you know, and, and how we detox

and so it's, and obviously environmental location, where we live, what's in our

house, like there's so many factors.

I guess when you get the data, it's like, one thing is don't beat

yourself up because anyone who gets this done, I hope you do.

It's, it's, at least it's a starting point of knowing where to go and,

and the actions that follow that, you know, it's your choice on how to do it.

And you know, Sarah, you did TPE recently, so I definitely want to talk about like.

What you did after you started learning.

So like, maybe go there and then Jessica will go back to you on your approach of

more of the avoidance and some of these other non-TPE ways of ridding toxins.

Yeah, with the evaluation that I had with Dr. Savage, he walked me through

the test and explained the areas of toxins that I wasn't familiar with.

When you get the test back, it, it's still, I can't pronounce half of the

toxins on this thing and I don't plan to ever, um, but, you know, having Dr. Savage

as a research source, walking me through and explaining to me I needed five TPEs

or, you know, five sessions in the chair, plus avoidance, plus the IV nutrients,

plus the supplementation, which.

also leads to the potential to have exosomes down the road.

Those are the four pieces that set our protocols apart.

It's not just, you know, being in the chair and having your blood

removed and the plasma discarded.

It's, it's all of that whole piece together.

So, you know, going into the one plasma exchange appointment,

my first one, I was scared.

I am.

Uh,

very much a wimp when it comes to medical experiences.

Uh, not my favorite, that's why I didn't go into healthcare.

I love helping people, but I'd, I'd rather be able to, you know, display it and, and

make it easy to understand versus, you know, get in, get in there with my hands.

So I was scared.

I was scared and I was shocked at how easy it went and how great I felt after.

You, you, you were actually the one I was saying was a day before I got mine done.

'cause it was just a week ago at the time of this recording, you're

like, the needles were fine.

The needles were fine.

And you're right, they were fine.

Like, like I had no problem with that because that was the thing

I was gonna worried about too.

But yeah, with each session of TPE, 'cause I think I, I have, I'll be

doing three, you'll be doing five.

But like, what hap it's not just sitting in the chair and essentially

cycling your blood and removing the plasma and all that, but it's like,

yeah, there's IV nutrient depending on the type of protocol you're getting.

Right.

Um, there.

All this other stuff.

The, the clean supplement, like I just finished mine.

And, um, there's some other stuff that, I'm sure they're all different,

but I don't know if you can break that down a little bit more just

so it's a little bit more clear.

It's like, yeah, there's not, it's not just do this five

times and then you're done.

It's kind of this whole regimen that's happening.

Sure.

So if you think about the five sessions that I need to get my 25.

High critical toxins out.

The reason for the five is because the toxins live in your blood.

If you think about how much tissue and muscle you have in your body

compared to how much blood blood's on the smaller percentage, so.

The blood is the carrier of your toxins in the plasma.

So once that is removed and discarded, the albumin that comes back in and

allows your body to regenerate the cells and create clean plasma becomes

a sponge for all of the other toxins that are sitting in your body.

in the four weeks in between when you have your first.

Session in the chair to when you have your second four weeks is the soonest you can

do it because you want all of those toxins to come back into the blood you're doing.

You're starting with your avoidance.

So for me it was investing in the air purifiers.

Which I bought the germ guardian ones.

I, we have six of 'em, but it was like a thousand dollars investment.

Um, throwing away all of the, the plastics, cutting boards, kids' cups,

you know, getting titanium, cutting boards and, and then having, we had,

uh, the water testers come back out and.

Where I live, the water is great.

They look, they showed me on a scale, it was like red to green kind of thing.

My city water is, was just above the green and my, and my reverse osmosis water.

So, so let's say it was 10,000 on the chart.

The city water was 140.

My reverse osmosis water was 10.

In terms of, so, you know, great.

Which is, uh, so those are the things I did within the first month Avoidance.

So that's kind of the, the one additional out of the four pillars

that we have as part of our protocol.

It's understanding what is it in your home and our nurses.

Walk you through that while you're in the chair talking about where do

you live, what are your exposures?

How to get rid of 'em.

How to get rid of them over time.

Beauty products, as Jess mentioned, huge as well.

Um, understanding we are.

Recommending Goop as the beauty product to, uh, all non-toxic free.

So starting to swap some of those things out.

And then the supplementation, like you mentioned with the MDL Clean, that is

a patented nutrient powder that you take every day to start to replenish

all of what was taken out during your.

Your body's detox process and it allows you to continue to

detox while you're taking it.

The IV nutrients that comes in right at the end of the therapy to

bring you back to baseline based on what they took out, what you were

experiencing, and what your body needs.

In the next four weeks, and, uh, because I'm in my first session, we

aren't doing any stem cells or exosomes at this point, but that's the, the

fourth piece that comes later down the road with additional sessions.

Yeah.

That, that MDL clean is like.

That's beefy.

It's got a lot of stuff in there.

I looked, I was like, whoa.

Like it's impressive.

Yeah, and Dr. Savage walks you through, you know, what other

supplementation are you on?

You have to stop this and this because with this doc, this clean, you can't

take certain supplements anymore.

So it's all, you know, medically backed and checked and just

gives you a peace of mind.

No, it's, it's awesome.

And I feel it after I have it too.

I'm like, you know, it's just, you loaded up with all the good stuff and,

and like I said, it's replenishing and it's still detox, and that's what

I have to remind myself all the time.

It's like, I'm not just like, oh, in the chair done.

Uh, it's like, no, there's a, it's a process and this is literally months of

detoxing that our bodies are feeling.

Uh, really quick before Jessica, how did you feel after your

TPE session, Sarah, and like.

Maybe like a week or like what are the after effects, because it's

a little different the day after,

Yeah, coming right out of the session, I felt good.

I felt tired, but good.

Um, I drove from Chicago home.

I had somebody drive me so that I didn't have, I could just kind of zone out.

Um, I slept really well that night really well, and then I woke up in the morning.

I was like, oh, I'm smarter than I was yesterday.

And I, I just felt more alert.

I felt eager, I felt this just drive to want more.

And since you're right, I'm working with a integrative physician here in

Milwaukee that's helping me with other avoidance and supplementation to keep

my body detoxing and support the detox.

Um, just other things that I have going on with my body, my hip, I'm looking at some.

Regenerative therapies there instead of a hip replacement, and you, I can feel

that it's getting better just by knowing I have less inflammation in my body.

It's wild.

That's the key bit because yeah, it's, I mean, we've had so many

people talk about it's the root of all the diseases, essentially.

So getting that under, under wrap.

Well, Jessica, I wanna talk about your approach.

So completely different approach.

Well, not completely, but you know, no TPE involved.

So I guess, what were the next steps that you took right after your test?

I'll preface by saying, you know, before I started learning about toxins and I

was very familiar with the idea of detox, um, at a very limited capacity, but I

viewed detox as more of like a seasonal, cyclical kind of thing, you know, like

I would do my juice cleanses every year.

Every new season or, um, you know, spend a week eating just

plant-based foods or things like that.

But learning my toxin load and just everything that's out there

really changed my mindset to detoxification as a lifestyle.

Um, so how can I really incorporate detox into my everyday life?

Um, so there's, you know, the avoidance.

Swapping, doing all the swaps, um, drinking the clean water, clean,

cleaning your air, all of those things.

And then there's supporting your own detox pathways, right?

Which, you know, if you're doing TPE if you're dealing with chronic

inflammation, those detox pathways are likely very sluggish, right?

And, you know, you could stop everything that you're doing and spend the rest of

your life in a bpa, a free plastic bubble.

But you're not gonna be able to eliminate the toxins the way that you want to.

Um, so I started real simple, you know, lymphatic drainage, massage, massages.

There's a lot of great videos out there about the six point

self, you know, drainage massage.

So incorporating that into my morning and evening routine.

Um, another big one.

This is a big one, and we've started incorporating it into our

protocols as well as IR saunas.

Um, I made a commitment, almost a religious one, um, to do

saunas ir saunas every week.

I do three times a week.

I've been doing that for a year, and I really do credit that as a huge component

into being able to eliminate a lot of the heavy metals that I had in my body.

Um, so that was a, a huge thing.

It is an investment, but there's different options out there.

And you go somewhere it's like not

your

somewhere

Yeah,

I live in the city, so I have a couple sauna options in my

neighborhood, which was really nice.

Um, so if you have that available to you, I highly recommend it.

Um, it's great just for mind, body, and spirit.

I'm a big advocate.

It's, yeah, my, uh, my zen moment.

Um, and then just I think like really influencing, you know, the people around

me, you know, my mom, my boyfriend, like getting them on the same page and.

You know, cleaning out our kitchens together and um, you know, making sure

that we're all kind of living this toxic toxin avoidance lifestyle, um, to really,

you know, eliminate the toxins and avoid re-exposure, which is a big, big thing.

Yeah.

I know you've, like, you even said like there's a lot of supplements and things

that you've taken for a long time.

Well, when, when I got the toxin test back, um, you know, Dr.

Savage's recommendation was, you don't need TPE at this time.

You'll be okay.

But there are some things that you can do in the immediate, in addition to,

you know, the clean food and water.

Um, and one of those things was, uh, activated charcoal, which is a binder.

So, um, it's been really effective too, in combination with the IR sauna.

So you're.

You're releasing all of these toxins out of your sweat and they're going

through your gut, um, as well.

So being able to take a binder that can clinging to those toxins and make sure

that they do fully come out of your body, um, was another thing that I, I did, I do

that sporadically, so I'll do it like for a few weeks and then I'll take a few weeks

off and then I'll do it for a few weeks.

when do you take it?

take it at night.

I, I've, I've heard different things on like best times to take it, but.

Um, the literature that Paul shared with me said, you know, take it at night.

That should be okay.

Got it.

Nice.

Yeah, I have some of that.

I'm like, but I haven't really been on it.

I don't know if now's the time.

I will definitely research before

I think it's also worth mentioning.

Um, another big component was working with an MD lifespan nutritionist.

Um, that's another, you know, bonus area with working with MD Lifespan.

Being an MD Lifespan patient is, you have access to not only these toxicologists

and these TPE specialists, but specialists in all these different areas that are

there to advise you and guide you.

Um, so not being able to access TPE at the time, I really had to rely on

my, you know, food and changing that.

And the way you eat, the way you supplement your body also

supports your detox system.

So, you know, making sure that you're getting your omega

threes, your vitamins were up.

Um, those were all really big components in, in my lifestyle

changes over the last year as well.

what are some things that have maybe popped up or have been like

difficult in terms of the avoidance?

Maybe it's like outside pressure, like your boyfriend, your mom and family, and

just going out to eat.

Like are there a few things that you found kinda slip in or just

sort of like pain points you're just like that, you know, can't get

past this for whatever reason.

I I cringe at having to buy a coffee in a plastic cup now.

You know, that's something that is like, I still do it from time to time.

I'm human.

Um, you know, I give myself grace, but, you know, it's, it's something I

wouldn't have thought of before, you

know.

you're talking like the to-go cup

Like yeah.

Yeah.

Um, which are coated in plastics.

If you think about a paper cup holding hot coffee, um, the only way that that's

possible is if it's coated in something that does not want to break down.

And,

you're also drinking through a lid that's plastic and is scolding hot,

uh huh.

nobody wants to be that annoying friend out at dinner.

You know, that's like, I'm sorry, I can't have the sushi tonight.

Or, you know, sorry.

Is, is your tea served in plastic bags or is it freshly brewed?

You know, I don't want to be the, the pompous friend, but noticing those

things in my life and just being aware.

But it's also about balance.

You know, the reality is toxins are everywhere.

They're in our environment.

Um.

And if you can make a one-to-one swap every week, you know

you're on the right track.

True.

It's almost impossible to live in this world without, you know, consuming toxins

or being exposed to them at some point.

So you gotta give yourself grace.

You gotta find what works for you, what you know feels authentic for

you, what fits into your lifestyle.

Um.

I'm lucky, you know, I, my boyfriend and I are very health conscious,

so it's easy for us to implement these changes in our home.

Um, if that wasn't the case, it'd be a lot harder.

Right.

For sure.

Um, but yeah, you know, it's, you gotta give yourself grace.

You gotta do what you can.

And, um, if you're lucky enough to do TPE, that's awesome.

Do it because it is the one unbiased, you know, mechanism that

allows for a body to reset and.

There's really nothing out there like it.

And to be able to work with doctors and a company that is, you know,

they're all truly dedicated to the betterment of their patients.

Something you don't find in traditional medicine these days, um, you

know, that's, that's a huge thing.

And detox was not a data thing for me.

That was, you know, you do a juice cleanse for seven days.

I feel great.

I have good energy.

My skin looks amazing, you know?

These little metrics that you convince yourself that are gauging your progress.

But to actually be able to see the numbers and to know that, you

know, I went from here to here by doing these things is so much more

impactful than a weak juice cleanse to

And, and it what you took it from, what was it?

10 I think

yeah, it was

to two.

Yeah.

And what, what was the timeframe in between those tests?

It was about 12 months on the

12 months.

Dang.

That's crazy.

Like,

that's so, yeah.

Okay, cool.

And again, but that's not, it's not gonna be the case for everybody if you

did say everybody's body's different,

yeah.

Genetics play a huge factor.

A lot of people don't know what their detox genes are, um, what they

look like if they're malfunctioning.

So that's,

Right.

you know, something that the protocols really take into, into effect.

They wanna look at how your body's operating, what your

personalized situation is.

Yeah.

Well, Sarah, I wanna, I want to hear what your, maybe some hiccups along

the way, or maybe some, uh, you know, family members, obviously kids too.

I'm, I'm kind of curious what the outside pressure has done to you so far.

It's definitely the food.

Food with my children, uh, the snacks and the school lunches, and shout out to

the Yuka app because it's just changed.

The, going back to data, having a metric that shows you the value of the food.

I'm not someone who's, you know, not gonna purchase a Yuka product that's in the red

because there's too much sodium or fat.

That is what it is.

But when I look at a Yuka rating and I see that, you know, there's five

or six high toxic additives that I'm not gonna buy, um, I have been on

a journey with my children trying to get them to like the, you know,

toxin-free food, and it is not easy.

It's been very

difficult.

yeah, I mean, I'm dealing with the same stuff here too, but like are there

some big sweeping changes you've done food wise with kids that have, like are

they starting to get it or are there things that they're, I guess they're

liking a little bit more than others

Yeah.

You know, I the kind.

Granola bars.

We buy, we buy those, you know, we use Costco for as much, you know,

whole food type, prepackaged, like applesauce, crackers that we can get.

But yeah, they're young.

They all just wanna eat a box of Ritz for dinner.

And it's, um, I, that was the biggest aha for me is the garbage that is in.

Goldfish and granola bars and cereal and everything that as a new parent,

you're encouraged to buy your children.

You know, I always knew go to the perimeter of the grocery store for

myself, and as soon as I had kids, I was like, well, that's not gonna work.

So yeah, been a journey.

the Yuka app, I think that's a big one.

I totally, I have the app and I'm like, I don't always think to use it, but yeah.

YUKA it's right.

like, yeah, you just scan something if it has a label and boom, you have

like a clear picture of no go or, okay.

And yeah, and I know in the guidebooks for MD lifespan, which

are a ton of awesome guidebooks, so definitely go to md lifespan.com.

I don't know the exact URL, maybe do either of you.

And forward slash guidebooks.

I kind of assume so.

But yeah, go there and look through because there's a whole bunch of

cool resources that you could dive in on, like exactly what we're talking.

Just pick, pick.

Which one feels right there.

well, the.

Kind of wrap it up.

Uh, I'm, so the results, you know, it's interesting because, so, you

know, Jessica, you shared, you took from like 10 toxins to two and

obviously it's a lifelong journey.

So like, it's not saying toxins will never come back in, you know, so avoidance and

all this stuff you gotta stay up with.

And Sarah, what, you have four more TPEs to go through and I, I want to make sure

we get you back on the show throughout, maybe the course of that or at the end,

whatever, we'll talk about it, but.

We gotta get, see what these results.

'cause I'm curious about myself too.

You know, it's like,

it's a

to see

your

process.

Yeah.

Both of us.

I know Sarah and I, you know, just, um, ' cause you know, I've talked

through my results and had Dr. Savage on here, break mine down.

We have very similar, I don't have mine pulled up, but like very similar.

Lots of mold, lot of stuff in the red.

I had like 20 something that were like pretty up there.

So.

Yeah, it's just in interesting journeys all around.

I won't stress it enough, but go get your toxin test and talk,

you know, just to get the data.

At least you know where you're at.

So, md lifespan.com/toxin test.

Use the coupon code podcast 200.

And, um, just, yeah, any final words for the episode.

So, um, Sarah, I guess over to you.

Just say no to toxins, my friends.

It's so hard though.

They're everywhere.

They are everywhere.

Yeah.

Being awareness and then yeah, avoid as much as possible and, um, I think

it's nice that we're bringing more out there and I think the awareness

is becoming more of a thing.

So hopefully the products will turn into that as well.

Yeah,

just, yeah.

What You get it?

focus on small steps.

Focus on small steps.

It's really overwhelming, um, especially when you do get your,

your toxin score, your toxin load.

Um, but little steps can make a difference.

So it's a lifestyle change.

Well, thank you both for like being super open and showing your results and stuff,

because it's kind of like, Ooh, this is, you know, it's like, but it's wild.

Yeah.

I think, um, just don't be hard on yourself.

That's what I, I guess I'll, you know, I'll say it's baby steps.

Empower others around you because, um, I, I, it's, it blows me away with friends and

family that don't even just think of the.

Uh, plastic water bottles like, like, you know, it's, or school lunches.

There.

You brought that up.

Like, 'cause my, my daughter just started kindergarten and I look at this

stuff in the school lunches and I'm just gonna put away the whole sugar and

it's in everything which blows my mind.

That's a whole nother subject.

And food dyes.

Yeah, My gosh.

I'm like, ah, we won't go there.

That's a whole nother topic.

School, school stuff.

Maybe Jessica, we gotta get an expert on, on the podcast for that.

I would love to.

But um, yeah, I feel like the more that we influence us around us, hopefully

there's a positive ripple effect that, um, can turn the course of all this

toxin stuff, at least in our own control.

Alright.

For sure.

Thank you both for being awesome and being open and, uh, let's do this again.

All right.

Ready?

you.

let us know.

Thank you.

See you guys.

Goodbye.