EPISODE OVERVIEW

Duration: Approximately 55 minutes

Best For: Business owners who feel consumed by the company they built and want to step away without everything falling apart

Key Outcome: Learn practical strategies to remove yourself from daily operations while your business runs better without you

THE BOTTOM LINE

If you started your business for freedom but now feel like a slave to it, this conversation will show you exactly what is possible. Lee Smith went from running IT companies 14 hours a day to being completely removed from operations. He is actually blocked from his own systems because the business runs better without his interference. This episode reveals the mindset shifts, wellness practices, and strategic decisions that allowed Lee to take 10-day trips with zero phone signal while his multiple companies thrived. You will learn why the best thing that ever happened to his business was removing himself completely, and how you can start doing the same.

WHY THIS EPISODE MATTERS TO YOU

You will discover how to step away from daily operations without losing control or watching things fall apart

Learn the specific moment Lee realized being a poor operator was costing him his freedom and what he did about it

Understand how AI and automation can give you hours back every week without adding complexity to your life

See what continuing to micromanage everything is really costing you including your health, relationships, and the life you originally wanted

KEY INSIGHTS YOU CAN IMPLEMENT TODAY

The freedom paradox: You started your business for freedom, but the business took your freedom away. Lee shares how he broke this cycle by accepting he was a terrible operator and finding people who loved doing what he hated.

Remove yourself to improve results: The best thing that ever happened to Lee's business was removing himself completely. The more he tried to tinker, the more he screwed things up. Consider where your involvement is actually hurting your business.

Use AI to solve specific problems: Stop trying to learn everything about AI. Instead, ask what specific function you are trying to fix in marketing, sales, or operations. Then find the AI tool that solves that one problem.

Your energy is your profit: If you do not have the right energy and focus, you cannot perform at your best. This is a direct hit on your business profits. Your health is not separate from your business success.

Breath and stillness beat hustle: Lee went from the brink of burnout to running four companies while traveling the world. The foundation was learning meditation, breathwork, and how to shift out of constant stress mode.

GOLDEN QUOTES WORTH REMEMBERING

"The best thing ever happened to me was removing myself out of my own business. It was the most beautiful thing. And the more I tried to delve in and tinker it, the more I was screwing things up." - Lee Smith

"We start our own business so we have freedom. And then your freedom actually gets taken away by the business. You get consumed by it." - Lee Smith

"Your energy levels and your health is everything. It affects your relationships, your business. The more you go through this process of just trying to push harder and push harder, the more you live in sympathetic mode." - Roy Castleman

"Investing in yourself is the best asset you can ever invest in." - Lee Smith

"I was laying there in all sorts of pain, thinking that was it. The only thing that I remember from the time was the regret I had for the things I hadn't done." - Roy Castleman

QUICK NAVIGATION FOR BUSY LEADERS

00:00 - Introduction: Two entrepreneurs who found freedom after being trapped in their businesses

04:30 - Lee's journey: From disruptive teenager to business owner seeking freedom

09:15 - The turning point: Learning mergers and acquisitions at 40 years old

14:45 - Why removing yourself from operations is the best thing for your business

19:30 - Understanding if you are a visionary or operator and why it matters

24:00 - How to use AI without getting overwhelmed by endless tools and options

28:45 - The wellness foundation: Why Tony Robbins changed everything for Lee

34:20 - Morning routines that create energy: Breathwork, meditation, and cold exposure

39:00 - Living in sympathetic mode: The hidden reason you are burning out

44:30 - Digital detox: What Lee learned from 10 days with no phone signal

48:15 - Plant medicine and consciousness: Tools for getting out of your own head

52:30 - Final advice: Take action now because you have a two to four year window

GUEST SPOTLIGHT

Name: Lee Smith

Bio: Lee Smith is a serial entrepreneur and mergers and acquisitions specialist who transformed his life after realizing he was a poor operator trapped in his own businesses. He now runs multiple companies while traveling the world, having completely removed himself from daily operations. Lee combines strategic business thinking with deep wellness practices including meditation, biohacking, and plant medicine retreats.

Connect with Lee:

Website: https://www.leeasmith.co.uk/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/leeantonysmith/

YouTube: www.youtube.com/@LeeSmith-investor

YOUR NEXT ACTIONS

This Week: Identify one area of your business where your involvement is actually making things worse, not better. Ask your team for honest feedback on where you are the bottleneck.

This Month: Block out one full day where you do not check email, take calls, or interfere with operations. See what happens when you step away completely.

This Quarter: Find one operational role you can delegate to someone who loves doing what you hate. Focus on finding people who are good at the things you are not.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Entrepreneurial Operating System (EOS) - Business operating system mentioned for scaling companies

Tony Robbins Unleash the Power Within - Event that transformed Lee's health approach

Joe Dispenza meditations - Discussed for achieving deep meditative states

Transcendental meditation - Lee's meditation practice since 2012

Paul Stamets documentaries - Recommended for understanding plant medicine and mycelium

Fantastic Fungi documentary - Recommended resource on mushrooms and nature connection

Kenyon device - Portable red light therapy device Lee discovered in Peru

Key Flow app - Stress management app mentioned by Roy

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READY TO ESCAPE THE TRAP?

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CONNECT WITH YOUR HOST, ROY CASTLEMAN

Roy is the founder of All The Power Limited and creator of Elevate360, a business coaching system for entrepreneurs ready to scale without burnout. As a certified Wim Hof Method Instructor and the UK's first certified BOS UP coach, Roy combines AI automation, wellness practices, and business operating systems to help trapped entrepreneurs reclaim their freedom.

Website: www.atpbos.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roycastleman/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@allthepowerltd

Hey, power movers. Today I've got a real treat. I'm

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here with Lee Smith. Lee I've known for. She's. How

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long? It's a beanly. It's a long time. 10. 10

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years, maybe. Yeah, 10 years. And we've been on a

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randomly similar but disconnected journey over the time. So I'm

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pretty excited to talk to Lee about his journey, about

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his entrepreneurial spirit, where he's been, where he's going, but

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also about the wellness, about the meditation, about all these

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other things that I think, you know, really bring us

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closer to being conscious entrepreneurs. And yeah, this is the

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journey that, that I'm on at the moment is how

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do we actually live the life that we love. And,

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and I think you're getting there, Lee. You're getting there.

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He's just been back from an amazing trip. Maybe he'll

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tell us about it, maybe he won't. Yeah, a little

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bit. Well, but it's really this, this opportunity that we

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have as entrepreneurs to change the world and certainly tell

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us a little bit about your history about where you

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started and, and then we'll just, we'll just roll from

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there. God, where did I start? I was a just

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probably a disruptive child, I would say, at school from

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the age of probably 13, 14, mixing with the wrong

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crowd. Went from top of top of my classes in

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several subjects to probably close to the bottom, and then

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left school with a few Fs, a few use ungradables,

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and. And then they didn't want me to come back

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to the school to do A levels because I didn't

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really have a clear path and they saw me as

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a bit disruptive. So thankfully they didn't let me carry

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on and went straight into working for a company called

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Ratners at the time, which was 1990, I

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believe, and then very quickly became assistant manager of

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a. Of the jewelry store. And then Gerald Ratner famously

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came out and said his jewelry was crap, was made

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redundant, did about 100 jobs, then ended up in London

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working for a big law firm, which then led me

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on to bizarrely learning finance because my uncle was the

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richest in the family. So I thought, right, let's first

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follow in his footsteps. Very quickly realized that I didn't

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like the government taking money out of my paycheck, so

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became freelance, set up a few small businesses, one of

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those being an I T company. That was quite growing

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nicely, but I was very frustrated. So then I learned

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mergers and acquisitions. And then that was really the turning

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point of my, my life really, because I was 40

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years old. I finally found something that felt right and

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I felt was going to get me to where I

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kind of ultimately wanted to be, which was some. Someone

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who had freedom of choice and options. Yeah. Which has

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kind of led me. Yeah. To a long journey of

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where I am, where I am today. Amazing. And yeah.

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Just, just for people that don't know, I also run

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IT companies. I have three of them at the moment.

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And very similarly I was it a situation where the

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IT companies were my 14 hour days, seven days a

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week and yeah. Lost that freedom of, of choice. Lost

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that. You know, the reason I was there. Yeah. Was

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to really make a difference in people's lives. Yeah. And

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the reason that I ended up being there was just

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to survive and that survival just wouldn't feel right. So

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that's taken me on that journey and you know. Yeah.

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I'm sure you've. Well, I know you've had those 40

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nowadays as well. My God. Yeah. Probably similar. Right. We

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start our own business so we have freedom. And then

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your freedom actually gets taken away by the business. You

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get consumed by it. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you're a

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much better operator than me. So you've learned how to

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handle these things. I think we're always learning, right? We're

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always learning. Well, no, we are, we are definitely, definitely

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learning. But it took me way too long to realize

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I was actually a very poor operator. That it wasn't,

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that definitely wasn't my skill set. I liked kind of

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creating stuff, creating names, logos and structures and

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the big kind of vision. I needed to team up

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with people that are really good at the kind of

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ops. Yeah. Yeah. Which is where I am today. I'm

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lucky to be surrounded by really good people. And I

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think that's it. I mean one of the, the business

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operating system things that I coach now is, is understanding

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if you're a visionary, understanding if you're an integrator. Yeah.

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And then you're doing what you do well. And I'm

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a visionary. I love the creation part of it. I

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love bringing new things in and new ideas and I'm

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not that good at operating. I am able to put

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the people in to do that, you know, because I

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understand their process. So, you know, it's a, it's a,

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it's a lesson we need to learn. What are we

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good at? Yeah. Yes. One hundred and yeah. I asked

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that kind of question too far down the track and

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it was kind of by accident. I guess I was

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trying to force myself to be a good operator and

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I realized this. This doesn't feel right. Yeah, it doesn't

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fit. Doesn't fit exactly. Yeah. It's been inspiring watching your

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journey as well and seeing that you've managed to control

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your kind of IT companies and. Yeah, I've managed to

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control mine just by luckily finding someone really, really good

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that loves doing it. Yeah. And. And in some respect

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that's what I've done as well. Right. Yeah. It's just

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we were lucky in 2017, I think it was, to

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go on the EOS journey, so. Entrepreneurial operating system and

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that was. Alex actually brought that in, into us and

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said, this is a good idea. My brother's doing it.

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So we spent a lot of money. 100k. I'm getting

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this, this coaching and I think that was. Been one

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of my, my bigger lessons and I actually learned that

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through skydiving that you have to be coachable. If you.

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Yeah. When you realize you're coachable, then you can take

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the shortcuts from other people. Yes. You know, they've, they've

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made the, made the mistakes and they've, you know, stubbed

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their toes and tripped over the logs and all those,

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all those things and you know, know you can decide

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to learn those lessons yourself, which take a long time.

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Right. Yeah. Or. Or you can decide to. Yeah. Go

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and find the people that have done it. So I

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think that's a, a massive lesson for me. Yeah, absolutely.

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And there's. And surprising how few people like investing or

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put the. Put that time, effort and more importantly, the

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finance behind investing in yourself is the best asset, you.

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Asset you can ever invest in. Right. For sure. Yeah.

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And then. Yeah, I'm actually off this after this call

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to go up north to, to Leeds to go and

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meet my. One of my clients is a gp, a

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functional medicine doctor, but also a biohacker and he's. I'm

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helping him set up a, a biohacking clinic in Leeds

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where he can bring all of his information skills to,

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to the market. And so we're going to go up

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and get some treatments tomorrow and just get some recordings

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and it's. This is the, the fun for me. You

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know, it's just, yeah, taking somebody's idea that's going to

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change the world. Yeah. And then bringing that to life

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and putting these structures in the back of it and.

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Yeah, and then. AI. Right, AI. What about AI? Wow.

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Wow. Yes. Yeah. Again, you're integrating this really, really well,

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the AI. And yeah, I'm using it every, every day

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and it's powerful. But there's so much you can do

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of it. And there's so many tools, so you can,

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you can go down this path and get completely swamped

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by it. And I have. I've spent two and a

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half years deep in it. Yeah. Spent a ton of

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money and. Yeah. Learned a bunch of things that I

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need to know. And I think that's one of the

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lessons as well. Right. Yeah. What's the. What's the business

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function you're trying to fix? Right. Yeah. Because if you

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just go off and do a whole bunch of stuff,

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then you end up with a whole bunch of knowledge

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that you can't use. Yes. That. Yeah. What is the

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marketing function you're trying to fix? What is the sales

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function you're trying to fix? What is the operation function

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you're trying to. Trying to fix? And if you can.

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If you can really, you know, work out what you're

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trying to fix and then use AI to do that.

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Yeah. Also massive shortcut. Massive shortcut. Yeah. Even from the

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most simplest level, what do I spend most of my

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time doing that. Maybe some, maybe AI can help save

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me lots of time. That's. That's the kind of simplest

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way I. I use it. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. The

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list. Let's kind of go back a bit more to

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the personal wellness journey and, and the understanding. It was

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really strange. We hadn't spoken for a long time and.

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And we. Yeah. Got on a call and suddenly we're

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doing a whole bunch of the same things. Yeah. So,

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like. All right, you thought about breathwork. Oh, yeah. And.

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And yeah. Tell me how, Tell me your journey into

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the, the personal, personal wellness kind of space. Because obviously

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the AI is so good at giving you some time

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back. Right. I think as entrepreneurs, what we are really

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bad at is. Is often really bad at is looking

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after ourselves. You know, we, we spend so much. Yeah.

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I like in, you know, the, the. The journey to

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almost having a child and. Yeah. My daughter's 21 years

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old now and, you know, she's going through that. That

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whole. Yeah. Journey of life and, and you start off

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and you have a, you have a child and then.

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Yeah. The first few years are really detailed and you

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really have to be present and. Yeah. Then, you know,

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they get to teenage years and if you don't give

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them the right tools to be able to go into

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the world and be themselves, you know, then they really

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are stuck to you. And it's kind of the same

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as a business, really. Yeah. You build your business and

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suddenly you become so. The business becomes so dependent on

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you being there. That, yeah, you can't do anything else.

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You just have to put all your energy into it

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all the time. Yeah. Until you, you upskill yourself and

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you upskill everything so that the business can run by

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itself. Yeah. I mean you're, you're in mergers and acquisitions

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now and you know, you see it all the time.

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I'm sure. Oh massively. The best thing ever happened to

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me was removing myself out of my own business. It

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was the most beautiful thing. And the more I tried

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to delve in and tinker it, the more I was

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screwing things up. So I was like, hey, right, that's

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it, I'm completely removed. And in fact I'm blocked now

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for which is. I love it. It's the most freeing

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thing, but it's not, it's surprising how few people have

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actually got to that stage. Even, even eight figure businesses

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I come across, you know, they're still deeply entrenched. Yeah.

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And it's difficult, it's not easy, Right? Correct. Yeah. I

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think, yeah, there is this emotional attachment that we have.

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Right. And you really get so emotional, emotionally attached. And

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yeah, that, that shows itself in a bit of a

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strange way quite often. Yeah. You try and hold on

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to something so tight that you never let it, you

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know, grow, you never let it do, do well by

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itself. And yeah. When you get to the point of

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actually, okay, I now want to sell the business, then

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you have. Yeah, I was offered a lot of money

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at one stage for, for my businesses and. Yeah. But

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I had to stay there for three years. Yeah. Well

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what's the point of that then? Right. You know, and

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that was my wake up call. That was, yeah, 2018

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with my wake up calls like, okay, unless I do

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something and change it. Yeah. And we started the process

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already, which was quite helpful and yeah, that's, that's

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so freeing. Right. You build it, you get it up

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to a stage. You, you things are working, the revenue's

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coming in, the money's coming in, you know, the people

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are there and trust them to, to do what they

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need to do. And yeah, you have the checks and

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balances in places. Yeah, I spend what, five hours a

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week now just on, on meetings. Wednesday is my work

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day on the IT companies. And yeah, I've got a

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great team doing great things and yes. And life is

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good from that point of view. Now I can focus

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on something else and you know, but now I go

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in, I build all the power with the same, you

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know, mindset and understanding. Yeah, it's okay now we have

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AI for that. So Tell me a bit more about

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we coming back to the, the wellness side. How, what's

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been your evolution into kind of looking after yourself and

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learning how to love yourself again. Yeah, I think even,

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even from teenage years I was, I was fascinated by,

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by health probably because my, my father, he was a

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big strong guy in construction. He'd wake up 5am, do

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push ups, sit ups and I would, and I would

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do it with him. So I had this kind of

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grounding of being healthy and I'd have charts on the

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wall with vitamins, that kind of stuff. But then you

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lose your way as you do. The biggest breakthrough for

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me was Tony Robbins in 2012. I was, I was

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in a really, really dark place in my life and

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then I was crying out for help. I was kind

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of begging the universe, show me how I get out

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of my situation. Came across Tony Robbins April 2012 and

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joined 10, 000 otherwise people at one of his events.

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Unleash the power within. And that without, without a doubt

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was the catalyst of complete health transformation. That was the

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last, that was the last month I had had a

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fast food burger. That was the last time I'd ever

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gone into a McDonald's was April 2012 after, sorry, before

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Tony Robbins. And from then on I, I learned NLP

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meditation, alkaline diet. I was very

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strict vegan for probably 10 years. And

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now I've gone kind of gone full circle and now

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I'm, now I eat what, what I think is as

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clean as possible. So if it's, if it's me, it's

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from the best source as possible. So I do eat,

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I do eat meat again actually quite a lot. And

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so that, that was the catalyst for me. And now

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I'm, now I'm all over it. I've read light therapy.

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Infrared saunas as like, you know, we're meeting up next

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week, you know, we're quite aligned on this and I

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surround myself with people who are in biohacking and health

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as well. I just went away to Peru and that

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was with a lot of health people, physiotherapists and people

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with all kinds of tools and actually came away from

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that trip with a couple of, with a couple of

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new products. Okay, what were those? Tell me. I've got

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this device called Kenyon which is like a red light

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therapy device. Okay. It's a portable USB charging. I haven't

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got it right to hand, but it's, you strap it

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on any part of your body and it, it does

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red light because I've, I've got Some muscle pain from

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the gym where I've been doing weights. So you just

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kind of strap it on for 15 minutes and you

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can put it anywhere on your body. That's quite a

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nice device. And it's got lots of science backing up

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as well. Yeah, I had my. I got my red

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light therapy. Yeah. So this morning when we got up

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and did the breath work and meditation, I do that

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with. With red light there as well. I love it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And methylene blue. Yeah, Take the methylene

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blue before your red light. And you know, there's just.

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I think, yeah, we. We live in such a. Like

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you say, fast food, junk food, sugar, all these. These

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things that. And one of the so underrated things

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that business owners don't understand is that if you don't

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have the right amount of energy and the right amount

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of focus in the day, you can't do as well.

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So it's a direct hit on profit. The base foundation.

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Right. Your energy levels and your health is everything. It

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affects your relationships, your business. The more you go through

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this process of just trying to push harder and push

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harder and push harder, the more you live in sympathetic.

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Yeah, and we talk about sympathetic and parasympathetic mode. I

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was actually teaching yesterday at Cranfield University and I was

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teaching breath work to the high performance business course, which

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I've been doing for three or four years now. So

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every. Every six months or so they have this course

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that's run and it's astounding to me still how few

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people harness the power of their breath. Right. Yeah, it's.

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That's, yeah. Fundamentally changed my life. Yeah. It brought me

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back from the brink of suicide. Yeah. I was in

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a bad, really bad place in 2021 and. And yeah,

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I still. I was 49 years old and I learned

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how to. Learn how to breathe. Right. And you, you,

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for five weeks you can not eat and then you'll

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die. For five days you cannot drink them and you'll

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die. Yeah. And for five minutes you cannot breathe in

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your. Die. But we know what a good diet is

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and we know what good drinking is. But do we

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know what good breathing is? Yeah, and it's just. Yeah,

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it's just so, so powerful in bringing you back into

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sympathetic parasympathetic mode. And yeah, I talk quite a lot

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about this, you know, that living in sympathetic and understanding,

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you know, what that does to you and humans as

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a species within the animal kingdom or the only animal

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that have a thought and that thought puts them into

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sympathetic mode. So you think about an argument you had,

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you think about an acid and kinetic had you think

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about something and your mind creates all those chemicals again.

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And your mind and body don't know whether you're in

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the event or whether you're, you know, living. Thinking about

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the event. Yeah. And the more we think about it,

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the more we go through thinking about it, the more

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we stay in it. And yeah, from the sympathetic mode,

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you can't create. Yeah. You can't rest, you can't digest,

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you can't do these things. And then you get sick.

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You know, cancer, blood pressure. All these things come from,

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you know, being in, in sympathetic mode more than we

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should. Yes. Yeah. You're much, much more advanced when it

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comes to the, the breathing side of things. I, I,

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I use meditation, which, which I, which I guess obviously

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you're utilizing breathing there, pranayama, things like that. But I'm

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looking forward to learning some of your breathing techniques. Actually.

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Meditation has been the lifesaver for me just to get

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me out of my, my own mind. What meditations have

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you been doing? So what I learned in 20, I

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think it. Was again fueled by Tony Robbins. It was.

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It was a transcendental meditation. Yeah, actually I absolutely loved.

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So I was running the IT company full time and

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in the evenings I was doing mergers and acquisitions. So

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I was reaching out to companies, seeing if I could

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acquire them and it was crazy. I was driving all

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over from the south of England. I was buying companies

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across midlands. So I was driving up and down the

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country running a business and buying businesses. It was super

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stressful. But I would pull over on, I can vividly

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remember this, I pulled over just off the M25 service

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station and got into a 20 minute meditation. And after

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that 20 minutes, when I opened my eyes, I could

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have been absolutely anywhere. I could have been on a

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beach in the forest. So coming out of 20 minute

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meditation and being in the craziness of, of the M25,

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it was, it was like, oh my God, I need

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to do this more. And since then I've just dedicated

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myself to doing different versions. And obviously now we talked

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about Joe Dispenza a couple of weeks ago. Maybe you

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should come and join us in Cancun in February. Interesting.

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I'm actually going to Cancun in February to renew my

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Mexican residency. Well, there we go. We'll get to get

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the details to go. Wow, it's a seven day retreat.

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Yeah. That's fascinating timing because

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I need to be for seven to 10 days anyway

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for my, to renew my residency. So. Yeah, yeah, well,

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let's chat after this. Yeah, perfect. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I, I travel a lot and as you know, you

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see me all over socials and stuff and just got

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back from 10 days in Egypt, which was amazing. Really

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good. And yeah, having the freedom to be able to

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work remotely, to have confidence that your team are doing

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things correctly. Yeah. To have confidence that you have the

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AI tools in place that you know, you can be

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more efficient and effective. It's just such a blessing. I'm

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so grateful for that one. Yeah, yeah, I think that's,

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that's really something that. Yeah, every, there's access to everybody,

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everyone has access to it. Yeah, it's, it's just how

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do you get enough time in your day to understand

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what you can do? Because once you understand what you

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can do, then you can start doing. Right. So yeah,

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it's a decision, isn't it? It's, it's just deciding. It's

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just deciding that's the lifestyle you're going to have. I

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mean there's people I know, they're running multiple, multiple businesses.

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I've got four companies now and like I said, I

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just went away and I was worried I would have

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no phone signal and nothing happened. Everything happened without me

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and probably better without me, to be honest. Yeah, same

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story. I got, I got to, to Egypt. The day

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before we left for Egypt, somebody send, sent in the

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chat. There were eight of us, nine of us. We

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spent time on, on a boat and somebody said, oh

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yeah, what's the, like, what's the, the deal with the

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signal? And it's like no signal, you don't have signal.

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Sorry, you're in the middle of the, the Red Sea

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and. Oh, okay. And yeah, then I got there, my,

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my mobile signal wasn't working well anyway, so I've literally

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had a, yeah, eight day digital detox which was, yeah,

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you know, super cool. How beautiful is it without the

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notifications and all the alerts? It was the best feeling.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you, you first of all have

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to go through the two days of what am I

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missing? Yeah. And then. Yeah, the world goes on without

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you. Right. Yeah. I thought I was actually really good

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with my phone because I religious. I'm surprised how many

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people actually keep their phone on. There was one guy

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who I went away with and I think one of

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the nights we had to, we had to share some,

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we had to share rooms and he's like, probably most

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people, he kept his phone on. So there was, it

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was vibrating throughout the night when he'd get A message.

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And I'm like, why don't you just turn your phone

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off? Every single night without fail, my phone goes on

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airplane mode and sleep mode. So nothing. There's no beeps.

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No. And most people, I think, live like this. They

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keep their phone on. Yeah. They have undisturbed to sleep

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and more importantly, they gain EMF toxicity in their body.

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And that shocks me. Yeah. It's amazing how we don't,

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you know, we just get used to the way things

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are. Right. Yeah. Then we don't realize there is another

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way. Yeah. I mean, it's just this piece as well,

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of, of money. And, and yeah, I love Joe Dispenza's

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way of thinking about this. And yeah, it's, it's so

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powerful. If you have an abundant way of thinking, abundance

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comes to you. Yeah. If you're grateful. Yeah. If you're

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like, okay, thank you universe for all these things, then,

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you know, the abundance comes to you. But as soon

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as you, okay, I need to make money, I need

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to save money, I need to save for my pension.

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I need to do this. Yeah, you, you're, you're always

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chasing and you're always chasing and then it runs away

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from you. Yeah. And, and this is, this is just

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something that, you know, has come to me over the

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last three or four years that. Yeah. The more you're,

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you're accepting that. Okay, yeah, we're

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only here for a short amount of time. Right. And

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yeah, I really strongly believe that if you don't live

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your life every day, if you don't love your life,

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then why, why bother? Right? Yeah. I was in the

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situation of working, working, working, working. You know, luckily I

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skydived. That's probably been my, my main, you know, saving

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grace because I still got to travel and, and I

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still had those, those times off and. But even then

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it was go, jump, come down, look at the phone,

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once you make a call, go back and jump again.

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And. And yeah, this, this trip was actually about free

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diving. So we went free diving with dolphins and, you

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know, sharks and other amazing things and just without the

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interruption between. Just so much different there. Yeah. Yeah. It's

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beautiful. You find you, you have the richness of the

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experience when there is zero distractions. That's what I found.

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Yeah. This 10 days is. I would classify as the

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best, the best and most meaningful experience I've ever had.

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Yeah. And it was aided by the fact that I

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made sure my phone was completely off, completely off for

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long, long periods of time. And it really added to

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the richness and of the experience. Because in the back

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of your mind, you always, you're always thinking, is there

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some alert gonna go off or some vibration? And it

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was, it was, it was really, really freeing. And I've

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learned I actually need to do a lot more of

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this, get back into nature and just get away from

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having too much tech. You know, know, we're in, we're

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in the IT game. We love, we love our gadgets,

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but, you know, there was people on this retreat. We're

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doing deep meditations and plant medicines and, you know, they

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had their whoops on, they had their watches and they

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were worried about their heart rates and monitoring stuff. I

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was like, no, just strip it all. Strip it all.

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Yeah, and I think we're. We're moving into this space

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more now. I think 20, 26, we're going to see

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a lot more, you know, people disconnecting or people kind

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of disconnecting from tech and reconnecting with people and reconnecting

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with n. And, yeah, I think that's where the power

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is going to go, because as we build into this

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AI space where we'll talk a bit more about AI.

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As we build into this AI space where we are

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able to step back a little bit and we are

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able to hand over some of the functions and the

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more mundane things, that'll give us more time to be

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able to connect again and to be able to find

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out our roots as humans and the human connection and

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dig into that, and I think that's going to be

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really powerful and beautiful to see. And, yeah, it's hard.

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How do we as a society move towards that, you

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know, without too much of a mess along the way?

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There's going to be a mess, there's going to be

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a mess, and there's. Going to be, unfortunately. Yeah. And

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yeah, the, the, the, the advice that I've got for

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people is just embrace AI now because there's still so

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few people using it in any meaningful. What meaningful way?

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When we finish this podcast, yeah, I take the recording,

492

I dump it into a Google folder, and it automates

493

all the way through to posting. Right. I've got to

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do maybe 10 minutes of editing just to, to take

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away my ums and my arms. Yeah. And, yeah, then,

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yeah, I pop that up and off it goes. And

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yeah, it's. That would have taken me an hour and

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a half before. At least. At least. Right? Yeah. So,

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yeah, just being able to shortcut the things that you

500

don't want to do, you know, so that you have

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more time to do the things you do want to

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do. You know, how do you bring more human into

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the world? How do you bring more, you know, of

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connection into the world? You know, these are the things

505

that I think that are going to be important. And

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from a company point of view, you know, the companies

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that, you know, I'm speaking to so many people or

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so many companies at the moment and saying, okay, well,

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yeah, what would it be like if instead of your,

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your team working eight or nine hours a day and

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then working three hours more because they didn't have enough

512

time to do their job? Yeah. And instead of them

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doing that, you automated and you let them work four

514

hours a day. Right. And, and this is just such

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a, such a mind shift that feels so foreign to

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us, but this is where we're going. Yeah, I hope

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so. And I like your thought about more people, like

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connecting and getting together. That, that's something I really hope.

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And I do see a lot more people inquiring about

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kind of trips and retreats and doing more kind of

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yoga and stillness. So it's, it's really encouraging. Yeah. Because

522

the world is, it's in such a wild, like place

523

with so much unrest across the, across the globe. I

524

had a really interesting podcast yesterday with a chapter who's.

525

Strangely also in tech and in AI, but he's, he's

526

built an app called Key Flow. It's a ki flow.

527

And this app is all about, you know, dealing with

528

the stress of the world. And, you know, how, how

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do you deal with stress? How do you understand what

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your stress comes from? And he made an interesting point,

531

which was around, you know, what we think people

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expect us to do, you know, causes us so much

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stress. Yeah, I, I expect, yeah, I expect to

534

perform like this. Therefore, if I'm not performing like this,

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the world's going to see me in a different way

536

or my, my team or my partner or my boss

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is going to see me in a different way and

538

therefore I put stress on myself. And his app is

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all about, you know, understanding what's causing me stress. He's

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also been meditating for, know, 60 or 70 years, is

541

really quite an inspiring guy. So, yeah, I, I, I

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think there's, there's going to be a lot of turmoil,

543

but in that turmoil, there's also a lot of opportunity

544

for business owners. And, you know, there's this piece of,

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you know, how do we connect with nature? How do

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we connect with ourselves? How do we connect with other

547

people? That's going to be a powerful play. Yeah. The,

548

the vacation space the holiday space. The. The space where

549

we're going out and seeing the world. What a unique

550

place we live in now. Right. In terms of time

551

we can travel. You know, the costs aren't too bad.

552

And if we're not grabbing onto the. The

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entire need to. Yeah. I need to store money all

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the time. I need to have money all the time

555

so that I can have a, you know, a pension.

556

That's big. I really. Yeah. Living life now. Yeah.

557

I don't know if I ever told you, but when

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I was 19 years old, I was run over by

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a drunken driver. No. And I was. I had an

560

argument with my partner and ended up. Yeah. For the

561

testosterone. I just left and. Yeah. Middle

562

of the night, I was hitchhiking on the motorway and.

563

Yeah. I heard a noise. Turned around in the Mercedes

564

Benz. The owner had fallen asleep and he kind of

565

literally broke my leg into places. My head went through

566

his windscreen, my arm went around and I was flown

567

into the middle of the road. And we are very,

568

very luckily at that point. The two people have seen

569

it happening. And they came and they stood at the

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top and they moved me. So I was on the

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white line and cars were zipping past and they were

572

standing, protecting them. But I was laying there. I didn't

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pass out. I was laying there in all sorts of

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pain, thinking that was it. The only thing that I

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remember from the time was the regret I had for

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the things I hadn't done. Wow. Yeah. And I was.

577

It was just such a turning point. I'm so grateful

578

for that at 19 as well. Yeah. That's why I'm

579

so grateful for that. That experience, because it just meant

580

that, you know, now when I want to do something,

581

oh, I want to go to that place. So I

582

book it. Yeah. And then I figure out how I'm

583

going to get there and how I'm going to get

584

to tomorrow from it. And it's led to a lot

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of. A lot of rich. Rich experiences and. And, you

586

know, just doing things and you just having the. Having

587

the opportunity to. To live life, you know, as. As

588

much as you can. And, you know, by the time

589

I got to 2017, where I was just working so

590

hard with these two IT companies and. Yeah. And things

591

was. It's kind of like your. Your. Your world starts

592

shrinking to. To only be in the space where you're

593

okay. This is all I can focus on. Yeah. Then

594

I think you need to realize that you're doing something

595

wrong. Right. So. Yeah, that's a beautiful story, actually. And

596

I think that's, and it is balanced because you do

597

need the money to be able to do things. But

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it's, if you go into it with the mindset of

599

you don't want to be controlled by it. Okay, you

600

need money, but you don't be controlled by it, you

601

can set it up in the right way, like using

602

AI tools, like the way you're using AI, which I'm

603

really fascinating to learn more about next, next week is

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how can you, how can you build it right in

605

the first place? So you have that kind of freedom

606

as well. Yeah, that's, that's, that's really important. And, and

607

I think, I think people are looking to AI as

608

the panacea of all things. And we have to keep

609

our thought leadership. Right. And this is so important. We

610

have to use AI to help us shortcut, but also

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keep thought leadership in what we're doing so that we're,

612

we're keeping the human in. Right. If you just leave

613

it all to the AI, then okay, yeah, you're going

614

to get an AI output which could be anything. But

615

if you go in with your own idea and you

616

know what it is and you know what you need

617

out of it and you keep on bringing it back

618

on track again, then you can actually, you know, 10

619

times your thoughts and your processes and your ideas and

620

get the best out of them. So. Yeah, I don't

621

know if you've seen this as well, but I think

622

I, I find that customers are crying out for much

623

more of a personal human touch right now. Yeah. And

624

that's, that's going to keep on growing. It's going to

625

keep on, you know, it's going to keep on increasing

626

and, and I think it's where, where do you have

627

that human touch? Right. You know, you have that human

628

touch possible when you have the time to do it.

629

Yes, yes, yes. The bits and pieces in the background,

630

they can all be kind of done wearing away. But

631

it's that, it's the, it's the con, the communication and

632

the touch points. People want that human, human to human

633

contact, which is, which is where you have to strike

634

that balance. And yeah, that's it. That's a, it's a

635

balance. It's a play that we have to get to.

636

It's an understanding of. Yeah, I've been blessed

637

in the fact that I've always known I can make

638

money. Yeah. And I'm sure you're the same. And you

639

know this, I'll always be able to make money. Right.

640

And, and Yeah. I think from that, from that perspective,

641

from that, you know, outlook, it means that I don't

642

worry about that. Yeah. And so many people spend so

643

much time worrying about that that they. They lose sight

644

of. Of what's actually important. Right. Yeah. Yeah, we are.

645

We are in quite a fortunate situation, you and I,

646

but there are. There are people struck, really struggling right

647

now. And I can see it. I mean, the UK

648

in particular is a really difficult place right now. If

649

you haven't got. If you haven't got a business, if

650

you haven't got control of your life. It is. It

651

is difficult. It is really difficult. There's lots of people

652

I know that own businesses that, you know, they're still

653

struggling themselves. Yeah. And, yeah, I think. We'Ll

654

go through the breath work next week and really give

655

you. Yeah, my morning routine that I've mentioned before. You

656

know, breath work, meditation, exercise, sauna, cold exposure. Yeah.

657

That just. Yeah, those things have all come about each

658

for their own power and. Yeah, working out your own.

659

Whatever works for you. I mean, a lot of people

660

don't want to jump in a cold tub. Yeah. Yeah,

661

we're working on what's best for you, you know, to

662

bring you back to the moment, to actually, now we

663

spend our energy for the day. Yeah. And we only

664

have so much energy in the day and we end

665

up spending our energy in the future so much because

666

we're worried about everything, so we can't spend it today

667

or we spend that, you know, in the past. You

668

know, depression comes from the past and anxiety comes from

669

the future. Yes. So how do you. How do you

670

maintain that? How do you manage that? How do you

671

bring, you know. Yeah, you bring your focus down to

672

now, you know, because when you can live in the

673

moment, that's when you get your power. That's pretty good.

674

Yeah, I love that. Yeah, I, I love my morning

675

routine. So I'm really excited to share your morning routine

676

and see how I can maybe tweak, tweak what I'm

677

doing at the moment. And we. Yeah, let's. Let's dig

678

into. That subject, plant medicine. Should we.

679

Gary? Yeah, yeah. And. And yeah, so I've. I've. I've

680

dabbled. Yeah. A fair amount of mushrooms. Yeah. And. And.

681

First of all was just the, the sha. Kind of,

682

you know, the ones that are allowed to. And then,

683

you know, of late. Yeah. The sort of sermon side

684

of it. And I think. Yeah, the. The research that's

685

coming out now about S. Is just fascinating. Right. Yes.

686

The meditation piece with Joe Dispenza. Yeah, he talks about

687

how when you are able to get into the right

688

state, your brain creates the chemicals that you need. You

689

know, your brain can create TMT and take you where

690

you need to be. And you know, recently I went

691

on a plant medicine retreat as well and there's another

692

one later in the month and this, yeah. Macro

693

dose of psilocybin, you know, you, you go and you

694

do that and you have your experience in that and

695

it's beautiful or it's scary or it's whatever it is

696

and I think they're more beautiful than scary but you

697

come of it and, and yeah, for me then it's

698

just five, six, seven weeks of just real peace with

699

yourself. Yeah. What have you found on, on your journey?

700

Yeah, same thing. I, I started off with. I'm always

701

fascinated by nootropics anyway, so I've some, some my main

702

go to. Legal mushrooms in the UK would be

703

lion's mane and cordyceps. Yeah. Obviously lines main for the

704

folk, for the focus and cordyceps especially for when I'm

705

doing gym routines. But I can't remember when I had

706

my first psilocybin experience. I think it was 2019. I

707

think it was 2019 and oh my God, as you

708

described it completely strips your ego away. And I'm

709

someone that likes their kind of five star kind of

710

hotel was really nice, clean kind of stuff. But what

711

I realized is after I took psilocybin mushroom like a

712

proper dose, I was so connected to nature. On this

713

particular occasion I was in Ibiza and I was out

714

in nature, just two of us underneath the trees and

715

it wasn't so much tree hugging but I just felt

716

a real, real connection with nature. Yeah. And since then

717

I've gone on, I've had probably eight, eight or nine

718

really deep experiences and every single time I take it,

719

it's telling me to get more people to do it.

720

Yeah. Which is why we were saying when we started

721

the call, I've, I've now had an epiphany while I

722

was in Peru doing a very, very intense retreat that

723

actually told me to go and build, build my own

724

retreat center in, in Europe. So which, which is

725

now my mission. I'm going to join you on that

726

and we're going to do something. I've decided. Yes, yes,

727

there's a. Yeah, we've got so many people around us

728

that, that are interested in this and I can, I

729

can see it exploding and this. It'S, it's very much.

730

Yeah, it's this experience of bringing us back into the

731

moment of actually. Yeah. Let's say the, the thing I

732

love about psilocybin particularly. And then, you know, I haven't

733

done the ayahuasca and the other things as yet. I

734

will. The thing I love about the psilocybin is it

735

calls to you when you need it. Yes. Yeah. It's

736

not like the other drugs that you. It's not alcohol,

737

it's not smoking, it's not cocaine. It's not these things

738

where it becomes a weekly thing. You know, it's this

739

thing that. Okay, it's time now. Yeah. And. And you

740

go and have an experience and, you know, that might

741

be, you know, for, for whatever reason, you know that

742

there is a reason for it. And. Yeah, your, your

743

brain works differently after you've had that experience. Oh, massively.

744

You must have seen the, the scan, the brain scans

745

of how much it lights up your brain. I mean,

746

there's, there's so much science around it. The only reason

747

I think it's. It's classified as a class A drug

748

is because they're waiting to synthesize it. So they can,

749

so they can then. Although I know for a fact

750

John Hopkins, you may notice John Hopkins University of. Are

751

researching it. They're trying to synthesize it so that they

752

can then sell it. Yeah. So many proven, proven studies

753

on it and what it does for depression. Yes. It's

754

not addictive. It cures people from addictions. In

755

the States, you've got, I think Oregon and Washington, D.C.

756

yeah. On. You can be a therapist and do this.

757

And I'm actually working with a lady at the moment.

758

One of my clients is, you know, a, an amazing

759

kind of energy killer and she works with. And she

760

does these, these retreats. She does, you know, particularly about

761

trauma release and understand how to release trauma. And. Yeah,

762

she's. Yeah. Amazing lady. So, yeah, there's this, this

763

call for us to come back to. I mean, we've

764

had these things in our time. I mean, you know,

765

cannabis, for example, has been. Yeah. Changed so much now

766

by, by growing it and all the rest of it.

767

Yeah. But as a, as a medicine, right, Cannabis is

768

great. It's great for cancer, it's great for all sorts

769

of things if you do it in the right way.

770

And, you know, now the States, I think they've gone

771

the other way now. You can literally just go into

772

any kind of, you know, initial very open, which. Yeah.

773

And everyone doesn't. Yeah. I think lost the path slightly

774

in terms of the medicinal side of it. But there.

775

A friend of mine had cancer in 2008, and, you

776

know, we use cannabis to, you know, in three months,

777

you know, he went from having eight massive tumors in

778

his stomach to having none. Right. And that just kind

779

of opened my eyes. I started. One of my many

780

companies was a hemp business. Hemp to wellness. And we

781

ran that for a number of years. And, yeah, just.

782

It was bad timing because at that stage, hemp wasn't

783

considered legal, or it's always been legal. But if you

784

try to post an advert on Facebook, my Facebook account

785

got down because, you know, it was him, you know,

786

so it's a fascinating what we can get to and

787

how we can get there. You know, if we are

788

just a little bit open to having these experiences. Yeah,

789

there's definitely a lot more people inquiring about it, for

790

sure. Even people who run yoga retreats,

791

they are kind of sort of delving into that side

792

of things. I know somebody who runs lots of yoga

793

retreats and they're very, very interested in getting their customer

794

base introduced to the medicine side. Yeah. Now I've been,

795

yeah, microdosing as well with psilocybin. And one

796

of the things that I find as an entrepreneur is,

797

Yeah, I have seven or 10 roads open every morning.

798

Right? Yeah. And the brain is going on with them.

799

And. And when I microdose, that comes down to one

800

road. Yeah. It literally brings everything in. I'm like, okay,

801

now I have a focus. Now I know where I'm

802

going. So it's fascinating to see this. And, yeah, I

803

think, you know, ideally what you're trying to do is

804

you're trying to get to that state naturally. Right. And

805

then you'll be just being in that. And meditation is

806

amazing for that. The breath works amazing for that. Yeah.

807

But then there's. There's the reality of life, the life

808

we live. Right. Yeah. And, yeah, sometimes, you know, a

809

little bit of assistance to get there is not a

810

bad thing. So, yeah, they're all tools. Right. We live

811

in a highly distracted world. Phones do control us

812

to quite a high degree. Even. Even people that are

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conscious and kind of aware of things, we do get

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controlled by it. So these are all tools that bring

815

us. Bring us back to nature. Yeah. They. Psilocybin is

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made from, you know, cow dung, essentially, and it's a

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fascinating, very highly intelligent substance. Yeah. One of the guys

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I'm working with, Andrew, also fascinating are him and

819

a group of people for Sweet from Sweden, or, you

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know, just creating a company called Mycelium Hub. And Mycelium

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Hub is conceptually. Yeah, a communication space for business

822

owners where they can communicate in the same way that

823

Muslim does. And. Yeah, just. Yeah, being able to. I

824

mean, I don't know if, you know, have you seen

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the, the various movies from Paul Stamets and. Oh, Paul

826

Stammers is amazing. Yes. Yeah. And. Yeah, just. Just how.

827

Yeah, this whole, the whole network of Mycelium actually connects.

828

Connects. Everything connects. Trees and, you know, you know, there's

829

this communication that happens and so, yeah, we can learn.

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We can learn so much from nature and we can

831

learn so much from these, these amazing plants that are

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out there. So, yeah, he said that's the original World

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Wide Web, but it's just, it's kind of on the

834

ground. I mean, it's a, it's a fascinating subject. I

835

highly recommend his documentaries to people. The Stomach Stack.

836

Yeah. Yeah. And Fantastic Fungi. Another correctness. Yeah. But

837

yeah, so, I mean, as we. We'll do this again

838

in a few months and just see where we're going

839

and yeah, we'll work out where the, where the retreat

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center is and how far we are with it. What

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would you say? You know, just thinking about. Yeah. As.

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As business owners at the moment, you're talking a lot

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to people and you're, you're doing m. A. Just let's

844

talk about coming back into the real world. Yeah. Just

845

before we close up, you know, what are you. What

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are you seeing at the moment and how are you

847

doing things? So myself as well, our

848

family, we are, we are moving out of the UK

849

in the next three months. So I'm, so,

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I'm consciously getting myself organized for that moment. So

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I'm reorganizing my companies now where I'm, I'm shuffling them

852

around so I can make all my employees owners because

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we talk about this conscious. Conscious living. And I, I

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post a lot on social media and I've come to

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the realization is I keep posting saying, you need to

856

be an owner. You need to be an owner. And

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while I was, while I was out in Peru, I

858

was thinking about this and thinking, well, if my employees

859

read this, they'll be thinking, well, why the hell am

860

I working for you? So, so I've come kind of

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come full circle now where I'm gonna create structures where

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employees and all of my businesses do become owners, because

863

I think that's leaving a legacy. So where am I

864

now? So I've got offers out on two. Two IT

865

companies. The two offers proceeding and then I've got. I'm

866

building a group in the H VAC sector. Okay. Just

867

trying to look after all of the teams around me.

868

So it's gone much bigger than, than myself now. I'm

869

trying to look after all my employees, all my operational

870

teams. Yeah. So I can leave the country and then.

871

In the, in the know that good people are being

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looked after and then we can use those funds to

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then go and build the retreat which will then have

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a really positive impact on, on people in the planet.

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I've always wondered how I can make a difference. Yeah.

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And, and this realization in Peru has actually given me

877

the answer I've been looking for. Amazing. That's awesome. Yes.

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I'm trying to. Yeah. Bring in business. Yeah. So it's

879

really exciting time at the moment. Yeah. Great. Well yeah,

880

let's, as I say let's, let's wrap it up there

881

and then. Yeah. What would be a one bit of

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advice for business owners is going forward, what should they

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be thinking about in, in terms of, you know, themselves,

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you know, how can they help themselves? Oh my God.

885

There's a, there's a whole mixture and I think you've

886

got that great mixture. So I'm, I'm good at buying

887

businesses and, and helping people scale and get time, location

888

and wealth freedom. You've got the, the kind of health

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thing down on. I think you have to tackle it

890

multi pronged. You need to focus on, on your health.

891

Meditation, gym, spa, breathwork, which is your, you

892

know, kind of your area as well. Leverage the power

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of AI So you do reclaim your time back and

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more importantly you need to, you need to earn money

895

for freedom. Especially if, if you're living in the UK

896

which is where I love mergers acquisitions. But you, you've

897

learned how to scale using AI so it's, it's all

898

of the above. Yeah. And just. Yeah. I think one

899

last word for me. Yeah. Just learn trust and do

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you know you can't sit on the fence. You have

901

to actually take a. Make a decision to move forward.

902

That is the most important thing right now. And I

903

think we've got a window of four years, maybe maybe

904

five if we're lucky with AI and robotics coming, people

905

need to take action. You can't sit on the fence.

906

I would have given a two and a half. Yeah,

907

yeah, yeah, yeah. Just. It's just moving. So every, every

908

new thing I see is just a. Yeah. Such a

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leap forward. It's just such a leap forward. And yeah.

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The, the uptake of AI that I'm seeing at the

911

moment is minuscule compared to what it could be. Right.

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So let's, yeah, dig into it and see from there.

913

Lee, thanks so much for joining me and, yeah, absolute

914

pleasure. Look forward to seeing you next week and taking

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you through some other bits and pieces and, yeah, let's

916

catch up in a couple of months. Love it, Roy,

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thank you.