Join my conversation with client Genevieve Waldman. Genevieve is a very busy public relations executive and her attempts to meet with nutritionists in the past were unsuccessful because of her busy traveling lifestyle.

The game changer for her was my 21-day anti-inflammatory detox program that I use with my clients. Once we had cleaned out the low-quality fuel from her system, she was able to learn how to strategically indulge. 

Strategic indulgence isn’t about depriving yourself. It’s about making nutritious choices so that when you have a luxurious dinner in Paris, you don’t feel like your entire diet is thrown off. 

Some of the things that we have both worked on to get to where we are today:

• Stop beating yourself up
• You’re just one meal away from getting back on track
• Food is not “good” or “bad”
• Ask for support
• Make empowered decisions

This same support is available for you. 

Here is the podcast episode I mentioned in the show:

The Doctor’s Farmacy Episode 692 - How to Burn Fat, Heal Your Metabolism, and Live Longer with Dr. William Li: https://drhyman.com/blog/2023/03/22/podcast-ep692/

You can read more about Jamie Oliver’s work here and view his TED Talk Teach Every Child About Food here. 

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BLT June

everybody, welcome back to the nutrition edit.

I'm excited to have you here today, and I have one of my favorite clients of all

time, Genevieve Wildman joining me today.

And we're gonna be talking about what I call strategic indulgence.

So welcome, Genevieve.

Why don't you kick us off and introduce yourself and tell

us a little bit about you.

Well, what an introduction.

Thank you, Jean.

uh, you're, you're my favorite coach of all time.

How about that one?

well, thank you for having me.

I am, uh, my name's Genevieve Weldman and I, am an executive

and I travel a lot for work.

I definitely have the challenges.

Most people, I think do when it comes to, balancing, your work life

and your personal life and certainly your personal goals, like nutrition.

and you, and I've had, you and I have had these, this conversation many

times, but I, I'm, I'm happy to be here.

Well, I'm super excited to have you here and I know

that you're an extremely busy person, so I appreciate your time and, I just

feel like my listeners have a lot that they can learn from you and take away.

So why don't you well just give us an overview of kind of what

your lifestyle looks like mm-hmm.

And why you decided to seek out someone like me to help you with nutrition.

And what were your kind main concerns and challenges when you

first came to sleep?

Gosh.

Okay.

Well, like I said, I travel a lot for work, so, so a lot of the concerns

were really getting a handle on, I, I, I just had a place in my life

where I had just turned 50 and I was looking at, you know, I just don't

wanna keep doing these yo-yo diets.

I don't, I don't want to do that.

I want to be safe with my body.

I want to teach my body, I wanna teach my head for that matter.

how I can move through.

I kept having this mantra on my 50th year, like, I know what I've

done now for the last 50 years.

What am I gonna do for the next 50 years?

So, yeah, I mean, it's very op you know, I optimistic of course.

and I know, that a lot of that has to do with what I put in my body, and I

just decided to get serious about it.

I had been thinking about finding a coach.

I had actually worked with a nutritionist, uh, medical nutritionist

that my doctor, prescribed me.

And she felt a little too, rigid in her coaching to me.

it wasn't even coaching, it was more prescriptions, if you will.

And I, I, I didn't feel she understood that my lifestyle is such that don't

have a lot of those opportunities to, just be, in one place.

so, I'm in public relations, so I also, uh, entertain a lot.

So.

Right.

When I first heard about you, you had said something that was,

that I had never heard before.

Uh, some of the stuff you had shared with the presentation you

were giving, I'd never heard from somebody who was, A nutrition coach,

before, and I, I was intrigued.

So I looked you up, uh, realized that you were local too, although we still,

we, we hadn't actually physically met for years, because of the pandemic,

but I, um, was just so intrigued with your message and, we've talked

about it before, but it, it really is stuff that I hadn't heard before.

your approach was a lot more about, what the reality is and what my

specific challenges were for that given week or month and we talked

about that and we talked about.

Challenges that I was, that I was facing.

So how I came to you was really a chapter in my life that I, I really needed,

I wanted to get more serious about.

I know that, being healthy starts with what you put in your body.

It's not just about being on the Peloton for an hour or Right.

Exactly.

For a walk.

In fact, I learned very quickly that it has much more to do, I should say it

being, weight maintenance or losing weight or health has much more to do with what

you eat than what, you're burning, right.

Uh, obviously, even after 40, you, you need to have.

You know, weight training or, or exercise.

Of course, I'm not discounting that by any stretch, I'm just saying.

Right.

Of course, the nutrition part of it was the shocking part of it, that where I

dropped weight, now I'll put the caveat that I'm a healthy person, so I, I know

that there are people who have other, situations that they're dealing with.

But, for a, a relatively healthy person, I was able to drop weight

a lot quicker when it came to what I was putting in my mouth Yeah.

Versus.

Killing myself at the gym

exactly.

Just trying to compensate for it with, with

exercise.

Yeah.

And I mean, it exercise isn't gonna do any, you, you any good if you also,

you know, feel sluggish or crummy found that we were working together,

especially, I felt just more efficient.

Like, I, I know we talked about like, it's like the engine was revving better.

If you're gonna take an analogy to a car, I was putting the right gasoline in.

yeah.

I actually love that analogy because, and I was just listening

to a podcast episode with, Dr.

Mark Hyman on his DR podcast with Dr.

William Lee, and he makes the exact same comparison.

Okay?

That you know if with a car, and obviously it's a much more simple machine than

a female body, however, if you put in, poor quality gasoline, once in a while,

it's probably not gonna affect the overall performance of your vehicle.

But if you put it in consistently, right, poor quality fuel, over and over, it will

degrade the performance of the car and.

Things will start going wrong.

Yeah.

Right.

Absolutely.

I mean, I've also had the, the, the pleasure

and opportunity to dine with you out in the wor in the real world.

Um, yeah, and it's, it's, it's fun to see that, you know, you and I

make similar choice, obviously you would, but, that I, really put a focus

on what I'm ordering and also what these fuels are doing to my body.

Mm-hmm.

How my body reacts to it.

And as you recall, we did a, a, an elimination diet, right.

And, as you also recall, I was having, I was actually so fascinated with that.

I really loved the, the work, what we did there.

And as you recall, it was only like 21 days, but I I I told you.

Yeah.

I told you I'm going, I'm doubling it.

So I did it.

I did it for 42 days.

I know.

You're such a rockstar.

Yeah, it was amazing.

Well, and to clarify everybody's listening, so Genevie is talking

about my 21 day remove that we do, which is essentially just an

anti-inflammatory elimination diet.

It's not calorie restricted.

It's actually quite a lot of food.

so it's not like you have to white knuckle through, oh God no.

You know,

three weeks

or, or six weeks for that matter of, you know, bland, nasty

food where you're starving all the time.

Like that is just

not.

Absolutely not, not at all.

we can certainly get into that, but honestly that was such a learning

experience for me because I found which foods really cer and, and I

know you're not gonna be surprised to hear this, uh, G m O foods,

were causing a lot of inflammation.

And, if I go back to your first question, I think that's probably part of it too.

I knew that there was something I was eating or things that I was eating,

or combinations of things that I was eating that was giving me, gas or

bloating or I, I just felt, yeah.

like this doesn't seem right.

It's not digesting right.

So that is exercise.

Um, the, the reboot and then the, that I doubled.

It was really important for me to understand more about.

How my body at, at least at this age, cuz good, good lord.

I mean, put me in my teenage years or my even twenties or thirties, like

I could eat pretty much anything I wanted, but it just gets a little

sluggish, more sluggish and slower, as you are, entering, menopause.

Well, yeah, and you know what's so interesting cuz there's

some, that same podcast I was just listening to, um, which I can share

on the show notes for everybody, but we have this new amazing research

on the human metabolism and what changes and what doesn't over time.

And actually our metabolic rates, so to speak, between I think it's like 20 and.

60 in our sixties doesn't actually change that much.

What does change though, are hormones, especially women, like

we just have a more complex Sure.

Right.

The hormones change drastically.

And I also believe that just the fact that we have more toxic

exposure over our lifetime, our livers working harder to eliminate.

and if we don't shift the foods that we're putting in to create more of an optimal

chemistry situation, hormonal situation, and address metabolism, so to speak, on

a cellular level, versus just viewing it as the sort of top level like, you

know, calories and calories out thing, which we now know is kind of nonsense.

Mm-hmm.

you know, if we're making those correct shifts, that's

when we can really see Yeah.

A change.

And if we're just trying to do what we did when we were, you know, in

our twenties of like, okay, I'm just gonna eat a little less and hit,

you know, the gym a little bit more.

It doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

It doesn't

work.

It just doesn't.

And I think that, you know, you were so wise to really embrace

that, and what I really loved and appreciated about you and working with

you is that you really approached things with such curiosity instead of mm-hmm.

Judgment.

And you were so open to like, okay, I really wanna learn, like, how

is this gonna work for my body?

How does that not work for my body?

And I think that that's one big mistake that people can make when

they commit to working on their nutrition, their new fit mm-hmm.

Their fitness and.

Lifestyle change, right?

They have this sort of set expectation of how things should be, or you'd

like them to be, cause that magical thinking or else just misinformation

that we've been fed in either, you know, the medical world or the diet industry

or the fitness industry for decades.

And so having to sort of relearn some of those things and unlearn Yeah.

Things is a big hurdle.

And, you are just a great example of, I really feel that you

harnessed your mindset mm-hmm.

In a way that, you are open and teachable and excited and curious.

And I think that that's a really key quality when you wanna be

successful in lifestyle change.

Yes.

The last Yes.

Yes.

Right.

So yeah, I really appreciated that tell me a little bit, like, how would you

say that your relationship with food changed over the course of, the last

couple years?

it's definitely in, in the vein of what we just were discussing,

it is about being a fuel for me.

but that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy it.

And I, do search out great food experiences.

I travel a lot for work, but I also travel a lot for personal.

I just had the most amazing experience going to Morocco more about that.

and it was, it was a culinary tour.

It was a, it was designed that way.

We traveled with a chef I mean, the whole goal was to understand

this culture through the food.

Yeah.

And so, I'm not gonna stop doing these things.

You know, I also, on the way back, had the pleasure.

You had to fly through one city, of flying through Paris, and I took that opportunity

to have a wonderful traditional French Bistro meal in Paris that night.

So, hey, this doesn't mean that my enjoyment and savoring of food, stops.

It's more, I look at it as a fuel as well.

And, and so yeah.

And that's, that's what's the, is the main shift, if I could call it that.

and.

Also doesn't mean that I don't go to people's birthday parties and eat a

piece of cake, and it doesn't mean that I don't dress champagne on New Year's.

Like these are these don't stop.

It's just the, it's a justed, like you said, a different mindset.

It is.

And that's, you know, that's why use the term strategic indulgence.

Mm-hmm.

And you know, you've heard me as the term over and over.

I've used it all the time in my work with clients.

I've said it a million times on this podcast, but yes.

It's not, about being deprived all, all the time.

No.

And depriving yourself constantly.

But it's also not eating like an asshole, so to speak.

Like we're in cold dorm and we're eating Doritos and stuff all day.

It doesn't, it doesn't serve me and it

also doesn't even appeal to me anymore to eat like that.

Yes, yes.

And I mean, as you can testify to our tastes change.

Yes.

When we start to eat the food that fuels our bodies and gives us what we actually

need, we start to desire those foods.

Mm-hmm.

More.

And the strategy piece is about, okay, yeah.

If we were indulging all the time and two regularly, that's problematic.

It will impede our goals.

It can be yes, inflammatory and harmful and unhealthy in so many

ways, but know, it's not that.

Wonderful indulgent meal in Paris that throws us off.

It's the day-to-day choices that we make.

And if we know like, Hey, I've got this birthday party coming up or have this

trip coming up, we can kind of go, okay, I'm gonna really just be mindful about

what I'm eating in my day-to-day life.

Right.

So that when those opportunities to enjoy something that's truly special

where I'm present and I'm mindful and I'm really enjoying it with all of

my senses and savoring it and really experiencing it, like, then we don't

have to have any like guilt or shame.

And it we should have guilt or shame around food in the first place, but

we can enjoy those things and know that it's not problematic for us.

Cor Correct.

Right.

and I've talked before about being a former binge either Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hello?

Like.

I know what it means to eat endlessly, right?

Yes.

I can also relate, I went through a

divorce, I went through there.

There's a lot of emotional changes that have gone on in anyone's lives.

I'll just, you can only speak about my own, but when those things happen.

Let's say, cuz I've also had some deaths that were pretty

impactful and, and just it turned into, mindless eating, to mm-hmm.

Uh, self sooth.

And I read something that said, don't beat yourself up over that,

because self soothing is actually what we are trained to do from birth.

and exactly.

You, you part of being human.

We've talked about this many times when you're nursing, that's also self

soothing and that is food, so, you know.

Mm-hmm.

I think it's also about forgiveness.

and having a moment, whether you, if it's an emotional.

Situation.

And you've, you've gone, off plan.

This is something you taught me too, because I would be very

judgmental about, like, I blew it, and you were like, like, no,

no, no,

I just wanna, you know, have your listeners understand.

Like, really, it really just means, and, and not be about it.

Just say you've gone off plan.

That doesn't, that's just take the energy out of that.

the other thing you, the mantra that I continue to say to myself is, you are

one meal away from getting back on track.

So I, all right.

I had maybe a, a big.

Over indulgent dinner or lunch.

Well, I just, the next meal will can be right back on track.

Right.

So,

yeah.

Yeah.

And I have to credit that saying to my teacher, Dr.

Jade Tida, who all the great training under, he coined

that phrase, but it's true.

It's only, you're only one choice or one meal away from being right back on track.

And I think that we tend to be, many people get stuck in that only nothing

mindset or thinking like, oh, well I made a bad choice my whole day.

Is that right?

Or they use an excuse to just be like, okay.

throwing the day out the window, I'm just gonna go hug out.

I've done that day and it's Yeah.

Oh, me too, me too.

Yeah, exactly.

Too

many times, you know?

Um, I don't miss it.

No, I don't miss that because in the moment it feels like it's a good idea

and our brain's like, oh yeah, give that bliss, you know, dopamine hit food.

Yeah.

And it feels great in the moment, until, yeah, you feel like shit later

and you're inflamed and, and whatever, and it throws off your sleep and the

next day you regret it and it's like, well, this isn't what I want for myself.

Why do I keep doing this?

Exactly right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's so liberating when we can just make those small choices Yeah.

Yeah.

Here and there and understand like, oh wait, I'm actually okay

when I say no to these things.

And again, it's not about no depriving yourself, but it's also

like just eating whatever we want, whenever we want, when it's not food

that's nutritious or good for us.

I think that it's important for us to realize like, that's not body

positivity, that's not self-love, that's just indulging yourself

in your brain in the moment.

Those are detrimental, harmful foods for health.

Like that's not, if we're actually really loving our bodies and we're, you know,

wanting to be bosi positive, I think we need to start looking at food as,

how can I best honor my body with this?

Like, what is it doing for me?

Like you say, like looking at it as fuel on some level.

Like how is this helping me function and enjoy that's, enjoy my life the most.

That's a hundred percent right, right.

what were the challenges when we talk about, you know, you're one of

the most social people I know, like you have such an active social life.

Like you said, you travel a ton.

And I think one of the big concerns that people have that I always hear from my

clients is, oh, well I did, you know, a whole 30 year, for example, or, or

whatever, like a diet they're doing or protocol that they're following.

And it wasn't sustainable for me.

And I said, oh, why wasn't it sustainable?

And they're like, well, I could never eat out.

I could never go to a friend's house and eat.

Like, I just, I didn't know what to do when I was traveling and, you

know, I didn't wanna be that girl right at the restaurant that has to

have, you know, a special or Right.

For whatever.

Um, so when you started shifting the way that you were eating, what are

some of the challenges that came up for you and, how do you feel that.

You've changed your approach to those, those things or settings?

Yeah.

I, I don't want it to sound so that it was so easy cuz it wasn't.

but, it was so important to me, obviously, that I, I made this shift and I was

working on it, and I found that being able to talk to my friends about that

and asking for their support was key.

Mm mm-hmm.

Friends and family, of course.

But like, Hey guys, you know?

Yes.

I'm happy to come over, for dinner tonight, but, you know, here's the deal.

I'm, working on this program, and I'd like us to think about being,

more cognizant about, the nutrition of the food that we're eating.

I mean, it was, yeah, it's an easier conversation.

But here's how I looked at it.

Like, I have plenty of friends who come to my house for dinner

who say, Ooh, I'm a vegan or a vegetarian, or I don't eat fish.

Yeah.

Like, okay, I'm happy to accommodate.

And by the way, everybody that I talked to was like, great, fantastic.

or I would even offer to bring the food or I went away for a weekend with a

girlfriend and I said, Hey, I'm really working on my nutrition, so I'd like

to be in charge of, so I can also show you she was totally fine with it.

I can show you some of the recipes that I've been trying out or, we're

gonna definitely have salad or we're definitely gonna, but you know, I, I

found that just talking to people about what my goals were, um, because I didn't

think of it as an intimidating thing.

because so many people tell me, oh, well I don't eat this or I do eat this.

And I, you know, I don't, you know, so they were the ones

putting parameters on me.

So I'm like, Hey, I'd love your support.

That's how I phrased it.

Like, I'd love your support cuz I'm doing this for me and I'm learning

a lot and I'd love to tell you about that not be too preachy about it.

But, that's how I handled it.

but again, let me, yeah, reiterate it didn't mean that I didn't eat.

The cake when it was somebody's birthday.

Right.

Or something like that.

And cuz I just find people like that obnoxious.

well you know, there are people with genuine,

like I have some genuine food intolerances, some of my clients Sure.

Genuine, like they cannot eat.

Like, I just can't do gluten and I really can't do dairy.

but most people I'm like, that cake looks amazing.

I will, you know, totally.

I've encourage people, enjoy it, whatever.

And, it, it's just not worth the trade off for me to have something like that.

Cuz I feel totally so rotten and people are understanding.

It's like they are, you know, I think that if people don't have Celia, like I'm not

a celiac, I don't have celiac disease.

so some people feel like, oh, well you're just being like fake about it.

You know what, that's your issue if you don't wanna.

That's believe that I have, that's ridiculous to it, but that's not gonna

stop me from taking care of my body.

Like if it's one thing if you walk into a restaurant and

your princess that's different entitled and it's snotty about it.

Like, I agree.

You act like that.

Right?

That's

what, that's what I'm talking about.

Who are the obnoxious people, right?

No, and here, you know, the thing is I also have a food allergy, so I I maybe I

was getting used to just asking cuz it, it's, I have a, a pretty severe, I carry

an EpiPen in, in fact a severe allergy.

And I, I'm very clear when I go into a restaurant, like, and the food

cannot contaminate the other food.

Like, so I'm alre I was already there.

Right.

So, yeah.

You know, if I'm asking, can you please not make that with cheese?

it wasn't a bridge too far.

I'm just asking for what, right.

How I want it if I'm in a restaurant.

And with my friends, they were so understanding.

So I can't say that I, I had a hard time with

that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Which is a really good thing.

I, well, let's talk a little bit about Yeah.

Alcohol, because that is an interesting one that I think a lot of people

struggle with and a lot of people socialize and whole support system

revolve around Eating and drinking.

Right.

And, I know that the alcohol piece mm-hmm.

Can be a real challenge for people.

And it's, you know, look, I enjoy wine, I love good scotch.

I love a good craft cocktail now and then I do have a lot of addiction in my family.

Sure.

So I'm cautious.

I try to be really cautious and, and yeah.

Mindful of that with myself and make sure that I'm, you know,

you and I have talked about that concept of enjoying versus using.

Right.

And using as when we're kind of numbing out or anesthetizing with

whatever it is, food, alcohol, weed, whatever, drug of choice.

Right.

but I think that alcohol is one of those things where, alcohol and sugar people

feel really free to pressure you to Yeah.

To do it, to partake.

and I know that, you know, that was something that you were just really,

smart about and I don't know, tell us more about how you navigated

that, both just on your own and in

your social life.

Sure.

And, and I'm no tee Toler, so I'll be very clear about that.

but there were some strategies I used, Especially when I was

going through the, the full detox, but, I didn't drink at all.

I'm also acknowledging that I don't have an addiction problem.

So I, I acknowledge that there are people who do, But so some of my strategies

were, you know, if I was out at a bar with friends, I could easily ask for,

I started doing, cranberry juice and soda cuz it kind of looks like a drink

and you, you put a little lime in it.

But then I realized how much sugar cranberry juice has.

So, my new strategy was because Cranberry and Juice had so much sugar, I started

just doing, just regular like Pellegrino or soda water and added bitters.

Yes.

It also gives another, Flavor to it, and actually I didn't care whether people

were saying, oh, you're not drinking.

You know, maybe, luckily the people around me and my friends and work

colleagues, they would never say like, oh, why aren't you drinking?

but, you know, soda, water, bitters, that, that was a good alternative.

I enjoyed making, mocktails.

And, I enjoyed making different ones for myself and, and trying that out.

I do like a drink, don't get me wrong.

And, uh, you know, most, mostly if I'm going out, I have, uh, vodka and soda

cuz it has the least amount of sugar.

and I, I do love a lime or two in my drink.

But, you know, just being cognizant of that, um, I do like you, I love a glass

of wine with dinner, but, I also know that if I'm going to indulge that's

one of my, things to think about.

Like, all right, tonight I am gonna have wine cuz I'm having this wonderful

dinner and I'm gonna, I'm gonna do that.

But, you know, the other thing to keep in mind, and I frequently think about

it when I have had done some, some of those nights is once you start putting

alcohol in your body if your goals are to have fat loss, fat goes out the window.

Yes.

Like it stops anything from your body burning anything.

And one of the reasons I know that is, and you and I have talked

about it, uh, because of the work we did, I started doing things

more like I wanted to know more.

I wanted to, just learn more about ketones and, and all of that stuff.

So I've been, doing that where I'll test my ketones in the

mornings as I wake up and then after, after a meal and et cetera.

And I'm, I'm seeing the empirical data that when I have a night

like that, I'm like, oh, I'm waking up and I am not in fat burn

at all.

Isn't that so helpful?

I, yeah.

I love that.

I think that that's a great tool.

and.

You know, everyone's different.

Some people aren't as data driven, but I totally am.

I am.

I haven't been measuring ketones, but at least recently, but

back when I did, absolutely I could see a massive difference.

Couldn't believe it.

And just like sleep quality, which, you know, I won't get into cuz

I've talked about that before.

But I use an aura ring and it's really helpful to see like, oh, the nights

when I do have a drink, which isn't often, I mean, one or two times a week.

Right.

I'll have a drink.

Right.

it used to be a lot more frequent.

Mm-hmm.

But you know, now that I can see.

On my phone, like right there, there it is.

This is how it affects you.

Yes.

I'm not getting as good a sleep, my recovery isn't as good.

Yeah.

I don't feel as good the next day.

My skin will look bad, whatever.

Right.

It's, it's so helpful for me to see like, oh no.

Like I can't lie to myself about that.

Like, this is the reality right in front of me in hard data.

Yep.

Yeah.

This is

what it does.

and I drink more than you do, but at least I have the information

And I think that's the, the biggest learning for me was just being more

like, like you said, more curious.

I, how, what is going on inside, the body once I've swallowed something.

So how is my body processing it?

How is it using it for energy and.

Why am I frustrated and or stuck to lose weight?

Well, hey, I got some tweaks for you.

You know?

Right.

So, so that's been one of the super helpful, parts of,

of our journey together, so,

yeah.

Cool.

I love that.

I love that because it's coming from an empowered place.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

We talked about that a lot.

once in a while I'll have a client come to me and, and say, just tell me what to do.

Just tell me what to do and I'll do it.

Yeah.

It's like, well, I can do that, but really, if we're going to create

sustainable lifestyle change, like yeah, you are the boss of your body.

That's right.

You're the one making the choices.

I can't come into your home and make your choices for you.

Right.

And do your grocery shopping for you and cook your meals for you.

Those things are all up to you.

And I want you like only you live in your body, not me, not your doctor.

Yeah.

Nobody else.

Right, right.

So you're the one that needs to be empowered to say, how does

this affect me as an individual?

How do I want to feel?

Where are the places I want to improve or make changes?

Yes.

And then how can I best make the choices that are gonna help me make those changes?

Like, how can I employ these strategies?

Mm-hmm.

Like, maybe you don't have an issue with, addiction or alcohol and you

wanna be able to incorporate it, but not have it impede your progress.

great.

Like, let's be empowered, let's make empowered choices,

let's get educated around this.

How does it affect you as an individual?

Some people have more of a tolerance than others.

Right.

I've never had much of a tolerance.

Sure.

So I have to keep it to a minimum.

But, that's another thing that I was so impressed with you about is that

you were just like, okay, great.

I'm empowered with this information.

Yeah.

And now I'm gonna run with it.

Mm-hmm.

Versus allowing it to be cumbersome or burdensome or like, well this is what

I should do and I'm bad if I don't do it, and I'm good if I do it instead.

Just going, okay, I don't have to do all of the things all at once.

I'm gonna take these things and employ them as I can.

And use them in ways that work within my lifestyle and with my tastes.

because I think that that's where people get really cut up is they try

to follow these like rigid protocols or rigid diets and things like that.

It's never about, okay, how do we customize this?

Yeah.

Right.

And if we don't learn to customize it and be really flexible within that and know

like, okay, if I'm traveling, how do I plan so I don't get stuck in an airport?

Mm-hmm.

With zero good choices.

Yes.

Right.

How do I plan for, you know, a friend's dinner party?

Like how can I make it work for me?

Mm-hmm.

Maybe that's bringing a dish.

Yeah.

Maybe that's saying like, like you did good communication.

Mm-hmm.

Asking your friends for what you need from them asking for their support.

Yeah.

Right.

Most of our loved ones are gonna be happy to do that.

Sometimes they won't be Sure.

That's a whole, other episode to discuss, you know, when you don't support family.

Cause that does happen.

Right.

But yeah, I think that being empowered piece is, is really

key.

Being empowered for sure.

But thank you for giving me so much credit.

But if you recall at the beginning, I was very much like it was bad.

So, you know, we really did need to work, through that.

the word you said, which is resonating with me, is empowerment.

And so whether it's data or confidence or whatever works for someone, it, it really

is just about being, uh, More empowered, by the choices you're gonna make.

I mean, we're all grown adults, right?

So nobody's going to handhold us and, and walk us through every process in our life.

we have to stand up and start making our own choices, and

that's where place I came to.

And just going back to that, it just, I was just tired of it.

I probably was the person who was like, just tell me what to do.

Just, I remember.

I came to you and I had been on, I don't wanna mention, programs, but I

had been on one of those Boxed foods programs, you know, the, the, mm-hmm.

A famous one.

And I ate what they told me to eat and did all of that, and I had lost 20 pounds.

Sure.

and I came to you and you're like, I mean, good.

But the point is actually really more to figure out where the

nutrition is because I was eating.

Pancakes and whatever the meals, but I don't know that the nutrition

value was where it, I needed to be and I still felt sluggish.

Even though I had dropped 20 pounds, I still felt sluggish.

But then when I was on the program with you, and now I'm not, I'm not

talking about the detox because that, that's a focus and that's some Exactly.

That was that, that's different.

I'm talking about just our day-to-day.

choices am I making to fuel my body situation.

I felt so much more, energized and, I slept better and I, I

could perform at work better.

I wasn't so sluggish in the afternoons.

I mean, it becomes a choice.

And at the end of the day, that's how I look at it.

And even if I have an off plan day or even an off plan week because of

travel or, or other things we have,

even myself Exactly.

By the, like, newsflash, I do this for a living.

Yeah, we all have those.

Yeah.

don't just throw it all out.

Like get back on track and, for the most part, I am watching what

nutrition I'm putting in my body.

Not every meal, not every single day.

I'm not like preaching it to anybody who will listen.

I'm just saying, Hey, this is, this works for me.

And people compliment my skin and they've compliment.

So it's like, yeah, okay.

And I drink lots of water and, those are all things that.

We hear it, but really, once you get into that routine and, and it,

it really is, can be a routine, I certainly, I can only speak for myself.

I have felt much better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Have you found any personal tipping points, Genevieve, where the strategic

indulgence piece, meaning like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna have, an amazing

meal out with friends, or that piece of cake or whatever that might be.

Have you come up against any points where you notice like, oh, that's this thing or

that thing or the setting or anything like that is actually a slippery slope for me?

Of course I'm human.

yes, of course that happens to all of us.

and really that one, the way I I tackle that one is forgiveness.

And mm-hmm.

You know, if I'm in a situation and I've gone off plan or something has

triggered me, or I see an ex-boyfriend,

yeah.

That'll be right.

it just is about forgiveness and, having a talk

with myself like sometimes out loud in, in the mirror to myself.

Mm-hmm.

Sometimes that it takes that much, but, you know, I can also just

recount with myself like, it's okay.

Okay.

Yep.

Okay, well, what's, what happened?

Nothing, nothing bad moving right along, you know?

So it's, it's about forgiveness and moving forward.

And I have really worked on that one because I have, you know, like, like

many of us have, that little voice inside our head, it always wants to

cut us down, but, so I really work on that one to be like, no, just be quiet.

Like, you know, right.

You're gonna, you're gonna sit down, the good voice in my head and me

are gonna be the dominant one here.

So I, I, I, I do my best.

No, I think that's really powerful and so important because when

we beat ourselves up, And again, this is something that I repeat, I'm sure

I've said it on previous episodes, but we create more anxiety and more stress

in our brains and our bodies, our heart, and that drives us back to whatever

those kind of bliss, dopamine, right.

Or the alcohol or whatever it is that we're disappointed about ourselves.

Mm-hmm.

For using.

Right.

So it's just like it can get into this vicious cycle where I think it can feel

kind of comforting on some level if people are hard on themselves because they feel

like, oh, well maybe I'll just go out of control if I'm not hard on myself.

And it actually has the opposite effect.

If you could be kind and nurturing and compassionate to yourself mm-hmm.

You're less likely to need to self sooth more.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Right.

So you, again, it's coming from a place of empowerment, of going, okay.

That was interesting.

So what can I learn from that, situation or encounter or episode

that will allow me next time to better care for myself in that situation.

If I run into Mr.

X again, like how can I better care for myself around that?

Because I know it's gonna bring up emotions.

Yeah, I know it's triggering, like, but how can I merge from that

encounter feeling like, Oh, I'm, I'm not giving him, or whatever it is.

Yeah.

That control or

the power of remain.

Right.

You and I would go talk about those things.

Like in our sessions, uh, we'd say, okay, let's look at the month ahead.

Let what, what's going on?

And, or I mean, you can't predict when you're gonna run into an X,

but, but, but like, unfortunately,

but like, we can all look our best and

Exactly.

But it's like, you know, what's your strategy for how you're

gonna tackle Thanksgiving?

Okay, yes.

You know, and what's your strategy for when you go to

that person's house for dinner?

Okay.

You know?

And it, a lot of that is right.

It's, it's just, how can I learn from this?

How can I be better to myself next time?

Really?

That's what it's,

Yeah.

Exactly.

And you know, I think it's important to point out too, that

a lot of these challenges that.

Many of us face in familial social settings are somewhat uniquely

American or maybe UK or Australia.

These places that like we have more processed foods.

Mm-hmm.

You know, less nutritious foods that are the norms.

Yeah.

It's not like people in the Mediterranean or in Asia, other parts of the world

where it's not like they don't struggle with negative family dynamics or running.

They do, but because coming together and having food doesn't necessarily

involve the same like level of processed non-nutritious foods.

Mm-hmm.

In their regular diet.

There's not that association will like, oh, when we go home for

holidays, we're just gonna like, Chow down on all this like garbage food.

Mm-hmm.

Right, right.

That's just loaded with sugar and starches and, and things that aren't

giving us anything that we need.

I only bring that up because I think that we assume like, oh, well it's normal.

Yeah.

It's normal in our culture to eat all these things.

And but it doesn't have to be like that.

We can still enjoy and indulge in like beautiful foods and family

gatherings and social gatherings with beautiful, incredible, enjoyable food.

Yeah.

That's actually the norm in a lot of the world, whereas here

it's like, kind of synonymous.

It's become synonymous with eating like garbage and high sugar and all this stuff.

No, and it doesn't have to be, and that's a little bit of

a, a rabbit trail I realize.

But I just think it's something that we can be aware of and we

can start to shift that paradigm.

And I do think that there is a shift away from.

Heavily, highly processed foods into more real food.

Um, but I think that if that's something that is a cultural norm, which is a

lot of the ni United States, and a lot of us don't have, a lot of people

don't have access to good real food.

The processed food is what's available and affordable.

It's for them, it's, it's a problem.

It's a problem.

It's a problem.

It's a problem.

And it's not just in the United States, but it is, it is a problem

that that food that food that you're talking about is less expensive.

So most of the country also doesn't have the education maybe,

um, to know what you know, that this food is, is better for you.

This food is, first of all, it's real.

I'm a fan of Jamie Olivers.

I don't know if you know the, the, the chef.

Mm-hmm.

And I lived in London for a while.

That's right.

15 years ago.

And I, I like to, I'll bring up this as an example because I don't think

the UK has it figured out either.

I'm not, I'm, no, they

definitely don't.

They're having similar struggles.

Totally

Genevieve Wildman: similar struggles at all.

But I'll give you my experience.

The, the first month, six weeks I lived there, I, my pants were

falling off my hips because, and I will give a caveat that you Sure.

I probably was walking more.

Um, I didn't have a car there and I was going to the tube and, and

doing my, going about business.

I was traveling to work on a train.

Sure.

All of that.

But the food I ate, this again 15 years ago, so it was a while

ago from this transformation.

So I dropped all this weight and it was because, I believe it's because

the food was not as processed.

as it is here.

And I mean, I was going to friend's houses for dinner and we were going out

to eat and we were going to the pub.

I was, it was definitely not, uh, abstemious by any sort of

the way, in fact situation.

It was not a calorie restriction.

I probably did have a little too many pints, but that is that culture.

but I did drop waved away and I said, what the heck is going on?

And it, I do believe it's cuz the quality of the food, and I did, and I

noticed, and they still are that way.

Lot of my, uh, British friends certainly.

but I see it from Europe as well, that they go to the market like every

couple of days like that they, yeah.

They're not going and buying food to last them for the next three weeks, which yuck.

I mean, it's, it's fresh food.

So, and less on the G M o, uh, end of the spectrum.

Mm-hmm.

Um, I mean, you and I talked about pasta and I have pasta now shipped in from.

I forget the name of the company that you gave me the information for,

but it's shipped in because it's the original grain, so it's not a GMO

grain that we use in the United States.

It's um, yeah, di corn, that's it.

Italy corn wheat from Italy.

Mm-hmm.

Exactly.

So, yeah,

it's never been hybridized.

Mm-hmm.

So even if something's not genetically modified, yeah, it can

be sort of selectively bred, so to speak, to be higher than gluten,

which is what we've done with a lot of the wheat crops in the us.

you know, we also spray them down with glyphosate to do this.

Desiccation process.

It's a mess.

Sounds awesome.

It's a mess.

It's just, there's, so there are literally like thousands of chemicals

that we allow into skincare products, our food uhhuh system, everything Wow.

in the US that are not allowed in the EU and much of the rest of the world.

So it really is a genuine issue.

And I think that when we're talking about empowerment, I'm thrilled to

see that we have more, you know, urban farming crossing up Yeah.

And, more awareness there because it's, something has to shift.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

it, it really is a different food supply.

I mean, myself, all my clients, anytime that we go to Europe, even when, like with

my clients who are probably overindulging when they're on their trips to Europe,

like they come back and they just.

Feel better, look better, you know?

Yes.

They're moving more.

Yes, for sure.

We all need to move more.

It it forget exercise.

We need to move our bodies more.

Like we're really just not designed to sit Right.

Long, every day.

so yeah.

Absolutely.

That, that makes a difference.

but it's not, like about a calorie intake versus calorie burn situation.

It's completely different food supply.

Yeah.

And there are chemicals we actually callins, oh wow.

We talked about an episode last season.

because they, your body is gonna store fat more efficiently.

those chemicals are being sequestered in your, in your fat cells as toxins

to protect you from being poisoned.

So there's a lot of garbage that we're exposed.

Well, yeah.

So, you know, I think that that's another important aspect of

strategic indulgence is just.

being mindful that like, hey what are we putting in our right bodies that's working

against us that's actually truly toxic?

Mm-hmm.

And how can we make better choices?

So maybe there's a chip or a cookie or whatever.

Like, I love tortilla chips because I love salsa, I love guacamole.

I love salty, crunchy things.

Right.

Well, I've found some organic grain-free tortilla chips that

are cooked in avocado oil.

Lovely.

So it works, you know, it scratches that itch.

Mm-hmm.

it's a cleaner, better option.

So I just wanna encourage people like, you know, it's not, you can

never have these foods, snacks, whatever they are that you love again.

Yeah, no, it's just about kinda choosing them.

That's right.

Easily.

Um, yeah.

And then enjoying it and being present.

I think that the whole, you know, using versus enjoying thing is an important.

Concept because often when we get in trouble, like I know with me when I

was binge eating, I would not even really be present or aware or enjoying

whatever means that I was eating.

No.

Like I would down an entire, literally like a whole package of Oreo cookies in

a setting and then be like, oh my God, how did I just eat that whole thing?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's horrifying.

Now it's like, oh my God, how, and then, you know, I would go and throw it up.

Yeah, great.

That's a healthy, right, so versus like, now I can go to, our like

little local flying apron, gluten free bakery on the weekend and get

a cookie given it's a decent size cookie, but I'm enjoying that cookie.

It's satisfying.

I'm really present.

It was great.

And now I don't need the

most time

it's actually satisfying, right.

It's not so sad to substitute that I'm like, you know, trying to, so I think

that that's another thing, like, just finding that balance between like, okay,

how often can I engage in strategic indulgence and the strategic part, just

meaning like, okay, I'm choosing wisely.

I'm choosing carefully.

And then when I do have something, like I'm really enjoying it and savoring it.

versus having something more often when it's, it's just not that special.

Like, I always tell people like, don't waste your time

with the crappy Costco cookies.

Or the shitty Well, well drinks have something that's really special that

you're actually gonna chill, enjoy.

Yeah.

I love trying new foods and, it's made

cooking more enjoyable as well.

I think, you know, some of your recipes have been great, but I've,

and I've also searched out my own and or experimented with my own.

I mentioned the, the trip to Morocco.

I brought back a bunch of spices bunch of wonderful spices that

I've been able to experiment with.

And, you said about enjoyment.

That's really what this should be about.

Cuz I mean, aren't we the only animals who like, eating for enjoyment as well?

So why, why can't we enjoy it?

all primates.

Oh.

Oh.

Is that right?

Oh, sure.

volunteered for years during high school with, with

a place that had Oh, chimpanzees.

And so, they absolutely, how there's things that they love

and things that they do not want,

uh,

And like you say, Genevieve, I think it's so cool,

for talking about this because I think that you're someone who,

because you do love good food.

Mm-hmm.

you know, you're proof positive that healthy, delicious food that

serves us well can be delicious.

It doesn't have to be bland or weird hippie stuff, rabbit food,

you know, it's not just No.

and look, I mean, all of us need to figure out like, okay, where is that

important tipping point between, like, maybe I'm strategic about my indulgence,

but I'm still indulgent too often, right?

Like, we have to find, okay, this is how often and how I can engage in this

and still get the results of my sister.

Yeah, yeah.

Right.

versus just going overboard.

It's like we can be mindful and indulging

too often.

I think

That's right.

So the

frequency matters and I think, you know, I, I'm trying

to have more of like a consistency and instead of the, the peaks and

valleys, but it doesn't mean that there aren't peaks and valleys Yep.

Part being human.

Yeah.

So you mentioned a couple things, but are there any other, like strategies and

tools that you still use regularly or that you've found most helpful for you?

Especially, you know, in times when you're crazy busy with work or dealing with

something that's, you know, emotional or

traveling, I, I would say that, recording my food,

whether it's I, I just make a note on my phone or write it down in a journal

or something that tends to help me just kind of look at what I'm doing, even

if I only do it for a couple of days or for a weekend trip or something.

Like, it's a quick thing to do.

And like I said, you can do it on your phone too, an easier way than writing it

down is just taking pictures of your food.

And so just like take a snapshot and.

And just be honest with yourself, like, oh, okay, so I did have that

massive breakfast and I wanted to have, you know, that stack of pancakes,

but you know, that means that I'm going to be more cognizant of.

The rest of the day and what those calories are.

Yeah.

not just calories, but like what, what else am I putting in my body?

Because like, like all this, right, all this, uh, all these pancakes

are, uh, I'm, I'm making up that scenario, but you get the gist.

Um, but you know, all those pancakes aren't necessarily providing me

unless there was some fruit on top.

Uh, they weren't providing me much, much nutrition.

So, something you also said, which I have incorporated is because if

you recall, I've had, I had quite a, a couple of times, pretty serious

times where I was going on a trip and I didn't prepare myself for it.

And, mm-hmm.

Remember when I was telling you I was, uh, going out to

Whidby Island and, and I Right.

Everything was closed by the time I got there.

I thought, yes, for sure I could at least just go in the supermarket or something.

No, everything was closed in the area.

Emergency was freaking out and the only thing was open was a

pizza shop, a pizza joint, and which is not the end of the world.

I mean, pizza is fine.

I, I just was, Hmm.

You know, me and gluten have a relationship.

It's a relationship.

And, you know, so I got the pizza and I just was like, oh, I, I felt crummy and.

It tasted good though, so I, I gave myself a little, um, but I,

I told you the next time we spoke, I said I really wasn't prepared.

And so now I, I do go on, business trips.

I'm leaving on another business trip on Monday.

you know, I go on business trips and I make sure that I have healthy,

protein bars, things that like, just to make sure that I'm covered,

especially if I'm feeling like, oh my God, I'm starving right now, I, so

that it'll make some stupid choice.

I try to make a better choice, but if I don't have that option, like I

didn't in that scenario, I mean mm-hmm.

Having a protein bar is not a sufficient dinner meal either, but, At least it

could helped me get to the morning and not feel like I had to, you know,

my only choice was to eat a pizza and I didn't eat the whole thing, of

course, but I, you know, made sure there was vegetables on it at least.

So, but yeah, there you go.

I mean, are a couple of things that I, uh, continue to use.

Yeah, I love that.

I think that's great.

I'm not super consistent with my tracking either, but at times when I feel like I

just need to reset a little bit and be more mindful with what and when, and how

often I'm eating, I love to use Yeah.

Food journal too, just because the basic act of saying, okay, I'm gonna

record this, it makes me think twice about Yeah, am I really hungry?

If not, what's actually going on with me?

Am I just wanting to emotionally eat for some reason?

And then like, what am I craving?

Yeah.

If I'm genuinely hungry and like, why, like what do I actually need?

What's, what's going on here?

Do I wanna make this choice?

Cause I'm gonna have to sit down?

Or do I wanna be like, actually I don't really, doesn't really serve

me if I'm honest with myself, so I'm gonna have X, Y, Z instead.

but I think the food emergency is such an important thing to avoid because once

we get to that point of being ravenous super hungry like that, like your

brain is going to go for the highest.

Quote, unquote value food.

Like, and that usually means like high sugar, right?

High carb.

Like that's what you're gonna gravitate towards.

And so not setting yourself up for that mm-hmm.

Situation, setting yourself up for success is really key.

I mean, my husband jokes that I, he calls my purse the baby bag because

I, we don't have to, but I always have like protein bars or nuts

or seeds or something like that.

I have 'em in my car.

I pack, you know, packing cubes on trips with me of all kinds of things.

Now, given I have genuine food intolerances, so I have to plan it, I

have to plan ahead because I can't rely on being able to find something in an airport

situation or after hours when things are closed in foreign country, like, I may not

be able to find something that I can eat.

so, I plan ahead.

But I think that that's a way that we can kind of go, oh, if I had these genuine

food allergies, like against things that I know don't work well for me or make

me feel off, or don't help me reach my goals, like how would I plan for that?

How would I pack Yeah.

Ahead of time, what would I keep in my handbag?

It's just a simple mm-hmm.

Simple way to think about it and, and plan ahead and look, you know, do I

remember to do it every single time?

No.

And I think that that's a misconception that people have

about the word consistency.

They think that that means like you are consistently, constantly,

every day making the right decision.

Yeah.

It does not mean that, it means that you're making it often.

Mm-hmm.

And more often than not.

Right.

Enough so that you get the

results.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think that, that, that's key.

I mean, I can think of, there was a trip I took to Mexico, uh, last

year, and I forgotten to pack some.

Healthier snacks.

And I was changing planes and I got to the next airport and then I, that's where

I sought out, buying some healthy things because I thought once I get to Mexico,

I I think everything's gonna be closed.

So it just, because I've been in these scenarios, I'm like, let me just

like, at least prep myself that I have something to eat when I get to Mexico.

Cause I a, it's a foreign country.

I have no idea what will be open at that hour and B Sure.

I, I just don't wanna be in a ravenous state.

So I, I bought myself some beautiful, protein bars and I think I bought

a banana and, and some nuts.

And so then, then I was prepared.

So, and Right.

I wasn't prepared, I'm saying, so I made up for it.

I worked it out.

Your worked, worked, made up for it before I, uh, got myself into a

situation where I was like, oh, geez.

So,

right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love it.

Mm-hmm.

Well done.

So Danny, what would you tell somebody who is maybe in a similar

place to where you were mm-hmm.

Before we worked together?

And who is seeking support in this area?

Or, maybe more specifically is considering working with me, just

as a, you know, a starting place.

Like what would you, what advice would you give?

I mean,

of course, work with you.

Let's start with that.

Let, well, thank, I'll be you later.

I mean, that's, I hope that's, this whole podcast has been a testament to that.

But, I, I'm a big believer in coaches in general.

particularly when I, I don't really know where to start and, and or mm-hmm.

I maybe have had misinformation.

I mean, I, I have a, a coach at work.

I consider my accountant a coach for me financially.

so, I'm a big believer in, in getting people to help you, in areas where you

don't have all the tools or information, and, a coach like yourself is, is

somebody who, keeps you, keeps you honest.

And not that I, I don't feel like I lie to myself at least anymore.

but I feel like I, got past that.

Goal not past.

I got through it to live it, if you will.

Like the, the tools and the things that we worked on and the challenges that we

worked on for those few years, was, stuff I'm taking with me the rest of my life.

So I encourage people to even if it's to work with you for a year or six

months, it, it, I just feel like that there's a lot that can be learned.

And when you, have somebody who's a, who's your champion, I mean, that's,

that's what it comes down to as well.

Um, you're an educator.

And, I learned a lot from you.

So I thought I knew a lot about, this part of my life.

I, I didn't, so yeah, that's what I have to say.

Well, thanks for that.

I appreciate that.

And I think, I think it's particularly helpful in our day and age because there

is so much overwhelming information, contradictory information out there.

sort of mainstream medical community hasn't quite cut up with nutrition

and where the science is on that.

Most doctors don't know a lot about nutrition and don't have

the bandwidth to learn it.

and.

You know, hey, look, not everyone can afford to work one-on-one with

coaches, but I, I do think that there are great resources out there

that are either free or low cost.

Great.

You have programs that are information, you have great

programs.

I mean, I do as well.

Yep.

I have kind of a wide array from, you know, starting at really, you know, really

inexpensive, online kinda DIY products.

I am not the most, prolific when it comes to social media posting, but

I, I try to show up there and share.

Good.

Mm-hmm.

Useful information.

I think your

website also has some great information.

Yep.

I have tons of recipes and stuff on my website, so, you know, there is

a lot of great information out there that you now have access to, even

if you don't have the resources to hire someone that's, that's fair.

One-on-one.

That's fair.

Yeah.

But I would just say, you know, that the, the caveat being again, try to

come from a place of curiosity Yeah.

And self-empowerment where you're, you're learning, okay, how can I incorporate

things and, and experiment and figure out, learn what's gonna work for my body

versus jumping on the bandwagon of mm-hmm.

The fad diet.

we've talked about fasting and stuff in, in past episodes, and I'll dive into

it more in the future, but this whole intermittent fasting thing Okay, great.

Works very differently mm-hmm.

For men than for women.

And, the typical, let's just skip breakfast every day.

Thing does not work well for most of us women long term.

Um.

Mm-hmm.

And that's just one example, right?

Of, taking a more individualized approach and, and learning,

Hey, what works with me?

Checking in with your body, learning to, Pay attention to it.

Signals recognize it.

Signals, right.

So, Anyway, go on forever.

Go on and on.

Yeah.

But

I think we made the point, but yeah.

But thank you so much for joining me.

I think this was really great and I so appreciate your time and,

um, you just, Aww to rockstar.

I'm so proud of all that you've accomplished and your just, you know,

determination and dedication to taking care of yourself and honoring your body

because that's what it comes down to.

You know, whether there's a weight loss school or not.

Like at the end of the day, like we just need to take better care of our bodies

cuz they're incredible and they're only ever trying to keep us alive.

Uh, yeah.

Right.

And sometimes in spite of ourselves, they'll still do it.

But God, wouldn't it be great if you could just feel as good as, you wanted to, and,

I keep thinking about myself at 90 years old, like, I wanna be able to get out

of that chair, you know, without Yeah.

Too much struggle and I wanna make sure that I'm, I'm present and, interesting

to be around and, all, a lot of that comes to, I'm putting in my body and

how I can show up as a daughter, right.

As a friend, as a lover, as whatever, as a, as an executive, you know?

It, That's what, you've been able to coach me to.

And so I, I thank you for that.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Well that makes me happy cuz that is always my goal, is to help you

just live a better, fuller life.

Awesome.

Well, thank you again so much for joining me, Genevie.

This is, thank you, Jamie, this so much fun.

And, everybody, go ahead and check out the show notes.

I'll put, you know, links to that podcast episode I mentioned and links to the d i

y programs on my site that we mentioned.

and, you can contact me through all of those channels or on social

if you have questions or you're interested in working together.

And yeah.