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Welcome to Queer Next, the podcast that puts the

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Yee Hall in y'all means hall.

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I'm your host, Beck,

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Dash: and I'm your host.

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Dash.

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Welcome to today's episode.

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It's starting to sound like we

go through this every week where

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we're like, can you hear me?

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Beck: I really do like your hat.

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Where'd you get a queer wolf hat?

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Dash: There's a it.

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There used to be a chop out of,

I think it was the Netherlands.

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Some Scandy country called queer

animals, and it was one of those,

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like, uh, so okay, back in the, the

two thousands, the, in the, the early

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2010s, American stores didn't have

any like, gender affirming clothing.

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It was hard to find binders or

like packers or gaff, like tucking

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panties or anything like that.

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So a lot of that stuff came from either

China, Korea, Taiwan, or the Netherlands.

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And so I bought, I think

bought a chess binder from some

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company I found on Instagram.

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And they also had, I think, I

think like they had the merge.

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It was like the storefront

and then you could also buy

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the gender affirming clothing.

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And I was like.

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Queer wolf.

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That's hilarious.

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'cause I, it was like shortly after I had

found the curse of the queer wolf, VHS

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so I was like, okay, well I'm gonna buy

this and this is what I actually bought.

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But I also secretly gonna get, I,

I remember actually, I think it was

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2014 when I first saw an auto straddle

article about the first company in the

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US to be like its whole, um, business

model was trans or gender affirming.

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Like undergarments and it was GC two

B and they made binders for like, you

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know, non-binary trans mask people or

anybody who wanted, like they had have a

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big chest and you wanna make it smaller.

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And I was just like, oh

my God, it's happening.

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And now there's several companies,

of course they also got that the

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Trump administration sent them all.

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No, it was not cease and de

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Beck: I saw that.

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Dash: Yeah.

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What's, I don't know the name of

the, the kind of letter they got, but

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basically like got a, a warning or

sanction of some kind saying that they

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were selling medical grade something

without appropriate FDA approval.

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Beck: It's a warning level letter.

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Dash: Right?

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So I know GC two B got one,

tomboy X got one flaunt wear.

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Beck: Uh, for them the

flexion, uh, gender bender.

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Shapeshifter apparel

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Dash: and that one is like, I

think they just sell like Spanx.

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But that,

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but that was like, 'cause the letter,

their justification was like, this is

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sold to, to minors for postoperative care.

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Like they explicitly said that these

companies were in hot water because they

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were selling their products to minors,

recovering from gender affirming surgery.

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Beck: Illegal marketing and breast

binders for children for the purposes

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of treating gender dysphoria.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Which they're not targeting

children, but children can buy

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them if their parents, right.

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If you got a fucking bank card, you

can buy anything on the internet.

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: But the thing is like children

aren't receiving surgery, like a

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child can't get an elective surgery.

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What do they think we're doing?

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Is there some drive through

somewhere and we just pull up and go?

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I mean,

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Beck: are you, after the events

of this week and the, the

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administration to tell us not believe

what we saw with our own eyes?

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Right.

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We really think that they, it is time

to draw, drop any of the pretenses at

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this point and just admit what they are.

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Dash: You're right.

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I mean, and, and like I've been thinking

about that, like my, like instinct

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to draw out the ridiculousness of it

for the purposes of laughing at it.

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That's a coping mechanism.

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Maybe it's not time for coping anymore

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because, I mean, I'm sitting here

in rural Minnesota watching these

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motherfuckers slowly fan out.

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They've been concentrated in the

cities, but now they found there.

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Um, it's not a, it's not an

actual reservation, but there

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are communities that are

essentially indigenous communities.

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On the outskirts of the Twin Cities

and they have found themselves there.

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So now they're, um, harassing

the indigenous folks.

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Beck: Oh, nice.

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Dash: And yeah, whatever Es motherfuckers

and I have been collecting, so

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there's a lit, there's a, a lot of,

um, groups that like we, uh, as at

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university, like collaborate with a lot.

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Um, I'm gonna.

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I will, I will put that stuff somewhere

where y'all can find 'em either in

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the show notes and we'll make sure to

maybe link it in the, the newsletter

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this week of orgs that you can support.

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I mean, of course, um, we all wish

we could physically help, right?

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But we can't, right?

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America's not structured that way.

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We're not structured that way.

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So if you're someone who wishes, you

could help, but all you have is funds.

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To try to help support the

folks who are able to be there.

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There's plenty of orgs you can

give those funds to, so we'll,

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we'll, I'll make sure that

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Beck: even five, $10.

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Dash: Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Beck: school starts this coming week.

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I,

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Dash: It does.

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How you feeling about that?

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Beck: Ah, you know, I'm ready.

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I've got all my, everything ready.

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I'm gonna take tomorrow and go

through my online course and make

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sure everything's set up there.

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Like I said, I didn't miss anything.

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Um.

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Monday I've gotta go print.

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So other than that, 'cause they

still want us to hand out a copy

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of the syllabus first day of class,

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Dash: A physical copy.

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Interesting.

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Beck: yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I gotta go print those and my

attendance sheets, which I gotta

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check those 'cause I type 'em up,

um, before the semester starts.

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But then the first week

they change radically.

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So you gotta have like three

different versions of it.

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Dash: Uh, yeah, I don't, well, I've got my

surgery and I got a, a, what's it called?

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A follow up appointment

with my surgeon on Monday.

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and then, I don't know, just waiting

to see when I go back to work.

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Beck: Yeah.

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My SNHU class started this week

and it's already, the AI is

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ridiculous.

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why I, have such little faith in

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online education because

it's so easy to cheat.

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Dash: Oh, I, I'm starting to

see, remember I said we're

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going to go back to Blue Books?

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They're doing it.

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I'm starting to see, like,

professors on social media are

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saying like, yep, that's it.

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We're doing blue books now

and a couple of high schools.

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It's, it's pencil and paper tests now.

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Like they, y'all are gonna,

you're gonna fucking learn.

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Beck: yeah.

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Which sucks because it's so much

better when AI or when just the system

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grades, like the matching and the

A, B, C, D, multiple choice stuff,

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that just saves you a lot of time.

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But

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if you can't count on the,

the essay stuff, be worth

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the damn, what's the point?

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Dash: Yeah.

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Beck: So I went through

a bunch of my quizzes.

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'cause in my, on my uh, ethnic studies

class, I have them take a quiz every week.

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They're open book online, whatever.

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but I went through and took out some

of the essay questions 'cause it's

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pointless and just add some my grading

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time.

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So I made a more, very specific

questions from the textbook.

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So they'd have to open

the textbook and look at

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it.

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Dash: Right.

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Yeah.

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That's what you have to do.

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You have to make it something

that AI can't find or index,

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: so that if the answer isn't correct,

then it's because the AI didn't know

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what the fuck you were talking about,

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Beck: Right.

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It's, it's stressful being

a professor these days.

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Dash: yeah, I know.

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Well, and

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I don't know, the things that I teach,

like even just the little intro to

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college class stuff that we teach,

there's no writing assignments in that.

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even though I, I loved teaching

writing, I still very much remember

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why I decided not to pursue that

as the only kind of thing I teach.

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because

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Beck: the grading alone.

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Dash: the grading, the

myth of improvement.

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I don't know if people who

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teach content really have to contend

with this as much, but because

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like te there are, are very few.

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general education classes To

teach that are so skills heavy

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as writing is even math, right?

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It's memorization.

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a lot of stuff is critical analysis

of taking information in, you know,

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think like kind of expanding your, your

knowledge and understanding of things,

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but, but writing is fucking skills.

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And if you're not improving at it,

it is, it's very, very visible.

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And like, the myth of improvement

basically is that in a 16 week course,

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it's impossible to make anyone better

at anything with what you've got.

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You know, like the time you're

able to spend with them in class.

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And so, like for people who are

teaching skills like writing or

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reading, they have to put in so much

extra time to try to make the slightest

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dent in a person's skills level.

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With something like writing,

which is all skills, right?

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Like you're not gonna be able to

memorize something that's gonna auto,

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that's gonna just immediately transfer

into you being better at writing.

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Beck: Right.

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I credit my writing ability to, all the

reading that I did when I was a kid.

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it makes you a better writer

because you understand the flow.

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You understand the flow of a

story, you understand sentences

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and the way they work together.

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And, um, when something isn't right,

you notice it immediately, you

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know?

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Dash: Right?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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People who are readers are

better writers on average,

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: and that's because writing, like

the skills associated with writing aren't.

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Like English doesn't have grammar.

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Like that's the first thing you learn

when you, when you start to like go

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up, like get more advanced learning in

English, is that there's no such thing

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as grammar because English gobbled up a

bunch of languages and barfed it into one

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bowl and said, this is our language now.

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And you don't like grammar

from other languages.

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You can't splice 'em together.

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So we removed grammar from English

and we created these like bastard

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versions of conjugation with as

many exceptions as there are rules.

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Beck: Right.

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Right.

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I was very lucky.

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Um, in junior high when we learned a

lot of the, the grammar rules and stuff.

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I had won a contest, a writing

contest when I was in seventh grade.

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And so my eighth grade year, um,

it didn't hurt that my, my eighth,

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seventh, and eighth grade English

teacher was like best friends with

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my dad when they were in high school.

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I had no idea, um, that that was true.

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I didn't really learn about

that until I was older.

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but she, instead of making me go to

English class, I went upstairs to a room

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by myself and wrote every day, and I

got to do that all through eighth grade,

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Dash: Wow.

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Beck: Mm-hmm.

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Dash: That's fun.

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Beck: It was, and I got to write

all kinds of interesting stuff.

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I wrote all kinds of, poetry and

stories and that kind of thing.

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Uh, winning that contest was really an,

an ego boost for me when I was a kid.

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'cause it was the, the, it

was called power of the Pen

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was the name of the contest.

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And they would give you, uh, like a

prompt and you'd get a half an hour or

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whatever the time limit was, and you

had to write a story with the prompt.

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And then they would have, there

was like a, an immediate grading.

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And then there was a regional

competition and then a state competition.

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And I got to go to the state

competition through one of my stories.

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It was a little comedy story

about, um, looking for money to buy

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batteries for the remote control

called batteries not included.

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Dash: In Kentucky, uh, in the

nineties there was this, their

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version of standardized testing

was actually really inventive in,

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um, eighth grade and junior year.

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You did a week, a week's worth

of, essay based testing, like

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hardly any Scantron shit.

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It was all like, you would

hang out in your homeroom.

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So it was all day, every day for the

whole week, and the teachers would, you

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know, go outta their way to try to make

it feel exciting instead of terrifying.

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You know, like they, we would take

little breaks and have games and snacks

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and stuff, but ultimately, like we

were sitting essentially at a fucking

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GRE for a solid week in your eighth

grade year and your junior year.

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And one of the components of

it was what they called the

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portfolio, the writing portfolio.

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And it was, you know, for our listeners

were in a Kentucky Public Education

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in the, in the nineties, maybe

help me remember how many essays it

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was, but I'm thinking it was five.

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And there would be like the

personal essay, the research

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essay, the argument essay, and.

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My eighth grade year was the

first year I was at that school.

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So I went from Jellico, the worst

school in, in existence, right?

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Like we scored too well on the

Tennessee standardized test.

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And Jellico stopped letting us take the

test because we fucked the bell curve.

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I was scoring

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99% on the team, Tcap every year.

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And David and Vanessa were also

scoring in the 90 percents, and they,

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they, um, stopped letting us take it

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Beck: That's wild.

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Dash: I know that's, I think that

was the last straw for my mom.

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So that's why they transferred us to, the

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Kentucky School illegally.

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I hope the statute of limitations

is up on that because it's

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definitely a fucking felony,

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but we just gave him a fake

address and went to a school

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across the border in Kentucky.

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Beck: I went to a different district

as well than the one that I lived in.

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but they were just neighboring

that was allowed where I was from.

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So, but it wasn't across state lines.

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It was

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across like township lines.

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You had to stay in the same county.

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I think

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maybe that's not

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true.

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Dash: I would say that

you're supposed to, but.

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Beck: Well, because I have a friend.

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It might have changed in the time

since because, um, where I grew up

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was pretty close to the county line

between Scioto and Pike County.

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And I have a friend recently who

thought about sending her kids to

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the Pike County schools instead

of the, the Lucasville schools.

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I don't, know how she would've managed

that if you can't go across county lines.

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Dash: I don't, I never have

really known the rules either.

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I mean, I know obviously

what we did was illegal.

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And of course, you know, we got caught

'cause it was a very small school and

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it was just obvious that we were lying.

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. So we did that for like two years

and then they started, uh, they

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rented a place in Williamsburg and

then we started the move up there.

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And that's how we wound up in Kentucky

basically was because, in order to

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stay in school there, they had to.

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Beck: Do you wanna see something funny?

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Something gr kind of gross and funny?

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Dash: sure.

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Beck: Look at the new pie from McDonald's.

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Dash: What is that?

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Beck: It is a, it is a

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strawberry here.

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Lemme see.

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I can't see myself.

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Dash: It's, you're so blurry.

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Oh.

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It's kinda like a Pop-Tart,

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Beck: Yeah, but it looks so like,

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Dash: a gash.

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Beck: yeah.

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Dash: It's even got a little button on the

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bottom.

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Beck: Yeah.

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And you take a bite and it like

the, the strawberry stuff, like

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piles up and it looks even worse.

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Dash: Hell yeah.

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Beck: Makes me laugh every time I eat one.

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They're my favorite though.

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They're so

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good.

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Dash: I, uh, drove past a McDonald's

on the way back from, uh, I had to

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run an errand the other day and doing,

you know, that takes your entire day

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here since it was like a 90 minute

drive and then you have to do the

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thing and then it's 90 minutes back.

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So,

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: and, and it's like not anything.

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It was an Amazon return.

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Beck: Oh

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Dash: It takes four hours

to do an Amazon return here.

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Yeah.

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This place is a pits dude.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Dash: I met, uh, I met with that dia, that

dietician, and I remember you told me like

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the one you met with, you were basically

like, who do you think you're talking to?

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Beck: Yeah.

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Like you're not even being

slightly realistic here, you know?

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Like you have to meet

people where they are.

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You can't tell me to start eating couscous

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and, and avocado for every meal when

I'm eating cheeseburgers and pizza.

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Right.

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That just doesn't translate.

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Dash: so I mean, my, the

one I met with was not like

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delusional like That but like, she

was also kind of aware with the,

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of the area I live in, because she,

her, I think her sister, she had

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some sort of, um, relationship to

someone who lived nearby for a while.

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And so she, I was like, so you,

you know, like what shopping,

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what groceries are like here?

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And she was like, yeah.

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And she's like, aren't you

recovering from surgery?

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Like, how are you eating?

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And I was like.

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The grace in favor of the Lord.

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Like sometimes people send me Costco

in a pinch, I can walk down to the,

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to the little market and buy a $10

box of cereal, but I prefer not to.

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Beck: Right.

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Dash: Well, she did bring up chicken

and I was like, yeah, I, uh, I

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went down to the market and looked

for some, but they don't sell it.

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They don't sell chicken or pork because

they can't control the temperature.

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Beck: Oh, wow.

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So all you got is

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beef.

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Hope you're not susceptible to gout.

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Dash: Yeah.

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Just.

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I don't know.

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I mean, I, I'm, I'm, I'm curious how

people even manage this shit, but I also

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kind of know it's because they have stuff.

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I don't, they have family, they

have friends, they have connections.

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Beck: Yeah.

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Um, we, we had a very much a reminder

of how alone we were up here.

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Listeners, just so, just so you know,

my dog baby passed away this week

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and we had the vet come in, uh, to

the house to, to do the, the thing.

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And where we live, our address is

outside of the range of where the

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crematorium will come get 'em.

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Um, and since we had it done a

home, that meant that we had to take

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her ourselves to the crematorium.

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And she was, we were able to get her

in the trunk and that kind of thing.

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But the, the issue was, was

that we couldn't lift her.

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Like we couldn't physically carry her

to the trunk like she fit in there.

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But getting her from her bed where

she had passed out the, out the door

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and into that car was just impossible.

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It was just too heavy for us.

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And so Shanna posted, um, I told her to

post on the, the local Facebook group

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and she just said, our dog just died.

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You know, it's too heavy for us to lift.

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Is there anybody that can help?

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And within five minutes, we had three

people volunteering and within 15

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minutes there was somebody here to

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help us, a woman and her husband

showed up and he lifted her

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and carried her out for us.

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Dash: And it's, it's such a

private moment too, and you

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have to reach out to a stranger.

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I mean, it's, I'm, I'm glad somebody

was able to help you, but like,

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I, I can't imagine how that felt.

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Beck: Yeah, it was wild.

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Dash: Well, RIP baby queen of the holler.

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Beck: She was the best good girl.

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She was 14 years old and for a Rottweiler

Mastiff mix, that's a long time.

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She's been her first 11 years outside on

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her own.

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hunting on the hill and making

sure it was clear of, of vermin.

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Dash: How many snakes do you

think she's eaten her lifetime?

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Beck: Oh, probably dozens and

squirrels and, and grasshoppers,

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or not grasshoppers, um,

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oh, what are they called?

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Rabbits, hoppers and rabbits.

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Dash: Well, they hop

through the grass, you

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Beck: Yeah.

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That's where my brain pulled that from.

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Yeah.

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rabbits and

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groundhogs

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Dash: I could see your logic.

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If I could draw, I would make

cartoons of some of the shit we say.

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So you've just got PETA and wind now

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Beck: Yep.

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And

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Dash: they're queens of the house.

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Beck: oh yeah.

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PETA has always been the queen,

um, in her own imagination.

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Um, she has actually relaxed quite a

bit because she stayed on guard if baby

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was gonna get a morsel of food that

she didn't get, she was over it and

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she was gonna demand answers for it.

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And so I, we, when we feed 'em, because

we feed 'em at night, um, usually

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they would be a little bit left over

and baby would clean up behind him.

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And the last couple of nights there was

still food left over in the morning.

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And so PETA cleaned it

up in the next morning

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and it was just weird.

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Peta has like relaxed physically.

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Some like,

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Dash: She is a stressed out dog.

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Beck: She really is.

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She really is.

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Chihuahuas are just like that though.

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Dash: Yeah,

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Beck: She has a lot on her plate, I guess.

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Dash: Do you, you know, do you

remember you told me this story

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about PETA when you first got her?

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That made me laugh.

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This had been a long time ago.

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That, well, it was when you first got her.

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I don't, it's been probably 10 years now.

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Right?

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Hadn't she lived with you for a while?

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Beck: Uh, since 2014, so

12 years going on 12 years.

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Yeah.

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Dash: I, I, there's a Facebook memory that

popped up of her wearing the eyebrows.

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Beck: I know what you're talking about.

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Dash: Will you tell me this story?

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Because it's one of my.

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Beck: Okay, so, um, I lived in a

cul-de-sac, which was right up against

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like, it's not a main highway or

anything, but it's a pretty busy two,

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two lane road where the high school

is and, and all that kind of stuff.

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And, uh, we had brought Peta home

and she was a baby when we found her.

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She was maybe six months old when

we found her, and she still had

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a lot of energy and liked to run.

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And so I had, uh, my poodle

who was like 14 or 15 at the

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time, she was like five pounds.

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She was a tiny little poodle.

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And I had we, and we had peta and so.

468

One morning, I, I got up and, you know,

first thing in the morning when you

469

take the dogs out, you know, you're

not wearing your bra, your hair is

470

tall and, and saying hi to Jesus.

471

And I was wearing my fuzzy slippers and

my fuzzy sweatpants and you know, just

472

standing out there, waiting on my three

dogs to pee and peta jerks on her leash

473

and breaks it, it just breaks in half.

474

Like it was a piece of,

of, of, of paper, right?

475

And she takes off running down

the, this road, the down this main

476

road and she's gone in a flash.

477

So I'm standing there and so I scoop

up the, the poodle under one arm and

478

I scoop up window under the other

arm and I start padding down the

479

street to go towards her, right?

480

Because I didn't know what else to do.

481

And so this lady in A CRV sees what's

happening, And so she gets down to

482

where PETA is and kind of corrals

her back up to me and I catch her.

483

So when I catch her, I now have

a window on a leash behind me and

484

a, and a small dog under each arm.

485

I have PETA under one arm

and Lacey under the other.

486

And I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm shuffling

back to my apartment because I'm

487

wearing fuzzy slippers, remind you.

488

And I'm standing out on the sidewalk

now, and this lady in the C RV had

489

turned around and she comes back she

stops in the middle of the street and

490

she goes, Hey dog lady, which, you

know, three dogs in my person that,

491

that's a, that's a fair assessment.

492

And I expected to say, do you need help?

493

Uh, you know, something like that.

494

But she says, Hey, dog lady.

495

Does that dog have eyebrows?

496

Because the night before we had

been playing around with peanut and

497

we had drawn, she's blonde, and we

had painted very brown eyebrows on

498

her forehead and not removed them.

499

So what do you say to that?

500

And I was like, yes.

501

Dash: You're gonna have to

get that picture to me, so,

502

Beck: Does that dog have eyebrows?

503

Dash: yeah, exactly.

504

She does.

505

And I just really don't

506

have a good excuse for why,

507

Beck: Oh God.

508

That was one of the funniest

things that's ever happened to

509

me.

510

Dash: and also just like this image of

you in your fuzzy slippers and pajama

511

pants and tall hair with a, with a

teacup sized animal under each arm, just.

512

The sidewalk

513

Beck: And Peter was gone, she was

like three blocks down the road before

514

I even like got around the corner.

515

Um, I, I don't think I would've

516

got her back if the lady in

the C RV hadn't helped me.

517

'cause she was just like.

518

Dash: and,

519

and knowing where you lived there, like

520

after house main road businesses,

521

every layer of that

story gets funnier to me.

522

The more I think about it,

that's the life of a pet owner.

523

Man.

524

You gotta say goodbye to your pride.

525

Beck: Can you imagine that lady telling

the story, her version of that story?

526

Dash: I

527

absolutely can.

528

Beck: Yeah, I was just driving along

and all of a sudden I got passed by a

529

chihuahua with eyebrows.

530

that's funny.

531

Dash: And the crazy pants

weirdo that lost it.

532

Beck: Dog lady.

533

Yeah, that was me.

534

Dash: Yeah.

535

You're

536

somebody's meme, you know, like

537

you're somebody's cryptid

538

Beck: forevermore.

539

They looked for the pajama and dog lady.

540

Dash: Uh, I, I saw somebody,

uh, with their kitten in a

541

baby carrier on the front of

542

them, like that turned outward, right?

543

So the cat was seeing

whatever they were doing.

544

Um, and I'm just like, oh my God,

I, I know that at least two of

545

my four would actually love that.

546

Beck: Yeah, I would love

to have a cat again.

547

And Shannon asked me like yesterday

if I wanted to get a kitten,

548

and I was like, absolutely not.

549

That is the last thing we

need is another animal.

550

We just, you know what I mean?

551

We we're, we're gonna go the first

thing we did was plan a, a trip to

552

Chicago because we haven't, with baby,

we have been stuck in this apartment.

553

Like for, like, I would, I would do

it forever if she would've stayed.

554

But we have been kind of stuck in this

apartment because every four hours

555

she has to go and she can't travel.

556

So the first thing we did

was plan a trip to Chicago,

557

which we're gonna go in February.

558

So

559

Dash: Cool.

560

Beck: I'm excited.

561

Yeah.

562

Something to look forward to.

563

Dash: Did you pick Chicago

just out of randomly or

564

Beck: No, one of my, one of

my very best friends lives

565

there we go see her stay at her

566

house.

567

Yeah.

568

Right.

569

It's, she lives just north

of, of, of Chicago now.

570

She lives in one of the

suburbs, um, where the

571

Six Flags of Chicago is.

572

She lives like three blocks from there.

573

Dash: Sweet.

574

Beck: yeah,

575

Dash: I, I've been to Chicago

several times, but not in a way that

576

like allowed me to experience it.

577

It was always a conference or something.

578

Work related.

579

Beck: I've got to be

580

touristy and it's a lot of fun.

581

It's my favorite city.

582

Granted, I haven't been to

a lot of cities, um, but

583

it's my favorite one so far.

584

Dash: Well, I

585

did do a touristy thing there once I went

to a show, but we just like drove up the

586

night of, went to the show, we stayed

in a hostel and left the next morning.

587

Beck: Yeah.

588

Dash: But yeah, uh, I actually was

thinking about visiting Chicago

589

the other day just because I've

got a couple friends there too.

590

I think is still there.

591

Beck: Oh, wow.

592

Yeah, I don't think he

ever really liked me, so,

593

Dash: It's hard to tell.

594

Beck: yeah.

595

Dash: Um, like they were times when

he, well, we were coworkers so I don't

596

know that we were ever friends, but

we are friendly or have been friendly.

597

You kind of trauma bond in a way when

you when you were coworkers in the

598

kind of work that we did in the system

that we did because it was just such

599

a homophobic, transphobic environment.

600

There

601

Beck: Yeah,

602

Dash: back in the day, L-G-B-T-Q stuff.

603

Being sort of like shoved into spaces

that were historically about or devoted

604

to, like racial and ethnic Yeah, racial

diversity and stuff that caused tension.

605

That caused problems.

606

And, you know, it's like we knew why

it was done, but it made it so much

607

harder to make any kind of headway.

608

And so that office there that we were

in suffered a lot from it, from that.

609

Beck: Right.

610

I always generally liked that guy.

611

Um, but we had a friend in common and I

took her out, uh, we took her out for her

612

birthday one time and he tagged along and

he was very rude to the wait, wait staff.

613

And that really, I can't handle

a person that's rude to wait

614

staff that is just tells me

everything I need to know about you.

615

Dash: yeah.

616

like when you told me that story,

I was like, I can absolutely see

617

that and I've seen similar things,

but nothing, I don't think I saw

618

anything to the degree of that.

619

And that's, that is kind of how

he is when he feels like somebody

620

is getting the upper hand.

621

Like if he get, it gets embarrassed

in some way or something.

622

Like if he didn't know, if there's

something he didn't know, he will

623

try to make somebody else feel small.

624

Beck: Yeah,

625

' Dash: cause he did that to me

a couple of times and I was

626

like, oh, you can't be trusted.

627

Oh, okay.

628

Beck: But I have found that

to be true with some gay men.

629

They just

630

don't like women in

631

Dash: Oh, speaking of fucking messy gays,

especially of the middle class variety or

632

the upper mi, upper middle class variety.

633

' uh, Las Culturistas, this is some

podcast t or do you know that podcast

634

Beck: huh.

635

Dash: Las Culturistas?

636

Well, you would think that they're,

uh, Latinx, but they're not.

637

Um, it's a white dude, uh, named

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang,

638

who was the Saturday Night Live

639

guy.

640

Uh, I think they started this podcast

before he was on SNL, but I don't know.

641

Anyway, for whatever reason, Matt Rogers.

642

Decided to just tell all of their

millions of listeners not to donate

643

or support Jasmine Crockett's,

bid for, is she a senator?

644

What she's running for?

645

Beck: Uh, that's what she's running for.

646

Yeah.

647

Dash: just for no re I mean, well, I know

648

why he, he's like, , well, she's a

Zionist, so you shouldn't support her.

649

What the fuck?

650

Like, why would you just decide that?

651

You need to weigh in on that as not a

black woman, not someone who lives in

652

that district and not a Palestinian

or, uh, somebody who lives in Israel.

653

What the fuck?

654

Beck: Well, white men tend to

do that, have opinions on things

655

that have no bearing on them.

656

Dash: And that's exactly it.

657

That's what, that's what I was

658

thinking.

659

It's like, you know, not every opinion

660

needs to be voiced.

661

Right.

662

Beck: Yeah.

663

Dash: You know, not every thought that

you have needs to come out your mouth.

664

Right.

665

But they don't, they honestly

think like, oh, I need to say this.

666

It's the dumbest thing

anybody's ever heard.

667

Beck: we center our entire

culture around white men.

668

You know what I mean?

669

Like they are the dominant

paradigm in every kind of

670

configuration that you can think of.

671

And we center them.

672

They're, they're.

673

In positions of power, um,

overwhelmingly that they shouldn't be.

674

Um, they're represented in places

of power where they shouldn't be.

675

they have a, a voice on things

they shouldn't have a voice on.

676

Often, like for example, you'll never see

a, a group of 30 white women making laws

677

against white, uh, against women's bodies.

678

Period.

679

You know, laws, state laws don't

change for men when you cross

680

state lines, but they do for women.

681

And that is the, that is, that is men

and specifically white men, because

682

those are our lawmakers that have done

that, you know, and all over the place.

683

We see men out of, in, in

power, out of proportion.

684

And so they think that every

opinion they have is, is,

685

gospel and that we should all care

about it when a lot of us just don't.

686

Dash: Just it.

687

Yeah.

688

Don't, don't, I don't care.

689

But the way that you couldn't torture

something like that out of me, I, I get

690

on edge anytime I hear one of 'em go hot.

691

Take like, okay, there, there's

only so many outcomes here.

692

One is you're probably gonna say

something totally fucking normal, right?

693

Like, I'm tired of people going hot.

694

Take a war is bad,

695

Beck: right,

696

Dash: shut up.

697

But conversely an actual

hot take on something ain't

698

got nothing to do with you.

699

Are you sure this needs to be said?

700

Like, are we 100% positive that not only

this has to be said, but it has to be

701

said by you right now in this moment?

702

Because, you know, shutting

the fuck up is an option.

703

Beck: Yeah.

704

It sure enough is, do you, do

you follow Heather Cox Richardson

705

Dash: Yes.

706

Beck: in, in the last couple of days

she's been talking about Minneapolis and

707

she pointed out that the, the outrage

that a lot of white people are feeling,

708

um, that she was shot unceremoniously

and they're lying about it.

709

That is something that

communities of color

710

have been dealing with for

decades, Yeah, just the incredulous

711

that people are coming to

712

this with, it's just like,

now, you know, you know, the,

713

the communities of color

have not been lying about

714

this.

715

Dash: and it's been televised,

it's on whatever, but somebody

716

said, uh, they're now killing

innocent citizens in the street.

717

Now.

718

You mean from your perspective,

this is a recent development?

719

Beck: Yeah.

720

Dash: Just this year.

721

She's not even the first one this year.

722

Uh, what was it, the ninth, January 9th?

723

I don't know what day

724

that was that it happened.

725

Wait, no, that was yesterday.

726

It was very early this year and she,

727

Beck: my last few days

are kind of scrambled,

728

Dash: yeah.

729

it was the seventh, it

730

was Wednesday that she was killed.

731

She's not even the first one.

732

That ICE killed this year killed

Keith Porter in Los Angeles.

733

on a, I think it was a New Year's,

a New Year's celebration type thing.

734

He had a, a rifle, he was firing as part

of his celebration or whatever, and they

735

killed him for it 'cause they said.

736

Beck: as people do.

737

Dash: As people, do you know what

fucking they, I don't know why we

738

can't celebrate and without shooting

something or blowing something up,

739

but that's just how America is.

740

Beck: Yeah.

741

Dash: until it's a brown person

trying to do it, which he was,

742

it's, it's fine and dandy,

743

Beck: I think about, um, new Year's

744

and her mom, and from 99 to 2000

and, and at midnight we were out in

745

the middle of the street and her mom

746

was shooting a gun, Like that's

out in the, out in the country.

747

That's normal, like,

748

Dash: like firing a gun, it's,

well, it's fun that, it's exciting.

749

That's one of the reasons why,

it's part of celebrations, right?

750

It's just kind of a, a

751

you don't do it every day type of thing.

752

You know, obviously there's

still protesting here.

753

two more people were shot,

in Portland Thursday.

754

exact same circumstances.

755

the ice agent was blocking the car.

756

Another, so this is what they do.

757

And I, I don't know, I'll post

it in in the show notes because

758

it was hard for me to find.

759

But I remember, so in 2014 there

was an article about how ice,

760

has a pattern of this, this

particular thing keeps happening.

761

Remember how even this, this one

motherfucker that killed her said

762

like, yeah, this already happened to

me once before I was dragged by a car.

763

It's because this is a tactic

that they employ and it's

764

taught to them in training.

765

One blocks the vehicle in the

front, another one gives them the

766

direction to move and harasses them

and stresses them out or whatever.

767

And then the second the vehicle starts

to move, the one in front opens fire.

768

But there was an article in 2014.

769

That, linked to an actual

CBP, report on this tactic.

770

Customs border Patrol, like this is an

internal memo about the fact that this is

771

actually something they're trained to do.

772

so then on this, the, the very

next day, Thursday on the eighth,

773

a couple two people were shot,

in the exact same scenario.

774

This is about to turn into

a conspiracy theory podcast,

775

but like they are instigators.

776

like we used to say,

don't start something.

777

There won't be nothing.

778

Beck: Right.

779

Don't start no shit.

780

Won't be no shit.

781

Dash: That's right.

782

And if somebody does start it, you finish

783

it.

784

That's it.

785

Beck: Yeah.

786

Dash: Anyway, I am gonna get

a gun and a HAM radio now

787

start fortifying my basement.

788

I'm gonna,

789

I'm gonna become, uh, Nick Ferman's

character in the third episode of

790

the first season of the Last of

791

Us.

792

Beck: That's very specific.

793

Dash: You haven't seen that, have you?

794

Beck: No.

795

Dash: I mean,

796

here's what I'll say.

797

You don't need to.

798

The beauty of that is that it's, you

don't really need to be a fan of the rest.

799

You don't even have to watch

the rest of the season.

800

'cause it's a standalone episode

and he plays, it's a queer couple.

801

It's this like elder gay couple.

802

And he discovers he's gay in the

apocalypse, but he had been one

803

of these motherfuckers, right?

804

Like the don't tread on me, hide in a

basement, type of guy who said he was

805

prepping for this, but he survives the

apocalypse or the zombie apocalypse then

806

he gets to know himself and then he meets

this guy and falls in love with him.

807

It's a fantastic episode.

808

but yeah, that he was like a basement

dweller, had a gun collection,

809

like, don't tread on me, new

world order, blah, blah, blah.

810

And then when the, the like

officers came, he just hid from him.

811

He didn't do

812

Beck: Yeah.

813

that's something I, I don't understand

that the, all the don't tread on me.

814

Uh, second amendment gun rights bullshit.

815

You know, in case of a tyrannical

government people, we have a tyrannical

816

government right in front of us,

and they are just kissing the asses.

817

They're licking the boots of,

of everybody stomping through.

818

You know, it, it's disgusting to me.

819

The thin blue line hats that

820

some of them wear and that kind of thing.

821

You know, you're not supposed

to be pro-police, you know, like

822

Dash: Police is like hr.

823

They ain't nobody's friend except for the

824

system.

825

Beck: Yeah, exactly.

826

Dash: Like the police

are, are the Karen hrs of

827

society, the racist, Karen, hr, and

828

Beck: Carries a gun.

829

Dash: right, and, and you're doing it

because you think that they'll spare you.

830

That's just be honest.

831

and it's not gonna work.

832

Fuck em.

833

Fuck em, fuck em.

834

Beck: It is the right

time to be pissed off.

835

I just don't see how this country's gonna

survive another three years under Trump.

836

Dash: yeah.

837

I don't think that's the plan.

838

Like, I don't think that surely they don't

actually think that that's what would

839

be the result of what they're doing is

840

Beck: Right.

841

What do you think of all the Trump 2028

842

bullshit?

843

Dash: if that man is alive in 2028.

844

I wanna find out what devil he sold

his soul to, to make that happen.

845

Uh,

846

Beck: Well, he

847

Dash: like,

848

Beck: to be who he is.

849

Dash: I mean, he's the

definition of a useful idiot.

850

And you know, who warned Republicans

that this was going to happen was

851

a Republican, Barry Goldwater in

the seventies said, if you let

852

these fucking crazy fear-mongering,

religious right evangelical nut

853

jobs have control of the Republican

party, they will elect a populist

854

and that'll be the end of it, right?

855

Not just the end of the Republican

party, but the end of American politics.

856

And he was absolutely right.

857

That's what's happening.

858

Beck: Yeah,

859

Dash: Well, it doesn't matter.

860

Whatever.

861

I'll put some resources in for

people who want to help out and then

862

maybe we'll just stop talking about

things that make us mad for a minute.

863

Beck: Okay.

864

I think I've had every emotion

865

possible this week.

866

Dash: Yeah.

867

Yeah.

868

And keep being kind of

pleasantly surprised by how

869

much I can stand, you know,

870

Beck: Yeah.

871

Dash: don't know if it's a good thing yet,

but still kicking for better or worse.

872

Beck: There's something to that.

873

Dash: Yep.

874

Beck: Nearly everybody I know has died.

875

So there's something to be said for being

876

alive.

877

I,

878

Dash: Yeah, they're gonna send

me to the Mayo Clinic to try

879

to figure out what's wrong with

880

Beck: I saw that.

881

You know, I have a friend that goes

there, um, and she has a very rare,

882

it produces tumors in her bodies,

whatever the, the illness is.

883

she's had like eight tumors

removed or something like

884

that over the last few years.

885

but they're very good at

finding out when things

886

strange are wrong with you.

887

That's the place you need to be going.

888

So I'm glad your doctor was

like, let's get you there.

889

Dash: Yeah.

890

Yeah.

891

She sent me a message, said

that, and I was like, well, Lord,

892

what in the hell?

893

Okay.

894

Although ICE is there now, the

one in Rochester, that's what

895

the one where they're gonna

send me ice is there right now.

896

Because a lot of the doctors

who work there are immigrants.

897

Beck: Even the doctors aren't safe.

898

Dash: Oh, no.

899

Mm-hmm.

900

so, uh, no, nobody,

901

nobody is safe.

902

from them.

903

But it's more about like how

easily they can gain access to you.

904

So if there's a place where

there's a concentration of either.

905

Homeless people or people who have

fewer resources, um, like a reservation.

906

that's how they're getting indigenous

folks is they're under vagrancy.

907

Beck: Where are they sending indigenous

908

folks?

909

Where are they deporting them to?

910

Dash: They're not, deporting anybody.

911

They're not, they're not these.

912

So ICE is not deporting these folks.

913

They're putting them in centers,

they're staying in America, they're

914

going to centers, or they're going to

that, uh, that place that 60 Minutes

915

tried to hide the piece about, you

remember what I'm talking about?

916

Beck: No.

917

Dash: Okay, so this is a whole

nother media thing, but, um, so CBS

918

has a new director of programming

named Barry Bari Weiss, who is a

919

queer woman, but is like wildly

conservative and racist and reactionary.

920

and 60 Minutes had been making a piece

on the place in El Salvador where they're

921

deporting quote unquote people too,

and it's a fucking concentration camp.

922

And so 60 Minutes was all

set to air this piece.

923

And Bari Weiss, she, um, scrapped it, but

she didn't, I guess, I guess she forgot

924

that Canada exists and c and and CBS airs

in other places, and that VPNs exist.

925

And so people, somebody in Canada

saw it air and actually recorded it.

926

So you can watch it now.

927

I can't remember the

name of the fac C cot.

928

C-E-C-O-T, which is, yeah,

in El, in El Salvador.

929

it's, there's PBS now there's

a news hour piece about it.

930

So it, it accidentally aired in Canada,

is what they're called saying happened.

931

no, I don't wanna, I love UPPS, but I

don't have time to donate right now.

932

The El Salvador prison called the

Terrorism Confinement Center, in English

933

is where they're sending these folks.

934

And it is, it's just a

torture camp, basically.

935

Beck: That's crazy.

936

Like who

937

are we?

938

Dash: well, I mean, I think it's

starting to become more obvious because,

939

you know, Linga, Auschwitz, daca.

940

Birkenfeld all.

941

They weren't in Germany.

942

There's a, there's a really great movie

about the, the way I don't, I don't

943

know how, what to really call this,

the movie's called Zone of Interest,

944

which is what they called the towns

or the locations that they would scout

945

to decide to put a concentration camp.

946

And so like, they obviously couldn't

be in Germany because it would be too

947

in the face of the, of the Germans.

948

And it could, it could tip them

over into outrage or rebellion.

949

You, there's a book by Manuel

Castels that we read when we were

950

in theory there called, um, uh,

networks of Outrage and Hope.

951

Do you remember this?

952

Beck: I do, but I've read so many.

953

I don't remember the book very well.

954

Dash: yeah.

955

And, and it's not super applicable

because it's about like.

956

Wall

957

Street, uh, you know, 99% or whatever it

was like that, that whole time period.

958

But it, he did a great job of

talking about the tipping point, the

959

moment that outrage becomes action.

960

and so there's that, that was what was

the takeaway for me about that book.

961

but so like that, if, if they had

had the camps in Germany, they

962

were risking that tipping point.

963

It was two in your face.

964

The, the people couldn't safely ignore it.

965

So the zones of interest were in either

occupied areas or allied areas around

966

Europe, and they would put a camp there.

967

And this movie is, um, shot on, it's,

it's just a regular old family, right?

968

He's a, Nazi officer.

969

I think he's commandant of the

camp, but they never show the camp.

970

You can hear it.

971

Sometimes you hear maybe gunshots

are screaming in the, in the

972

very back distance of a shot.

973

You could see maybe the smokestack

coming up from the crematorium.

974

But it's, it's so fucking

unnerving to watch this family

975

go about their daily life.

976

Their house servants are the

people with the shaved heads and

977

the striped pajamas and shit.

978

And it, it's very much about like, you

could be these people, any of us could be

979

these people because almost all of us are

looking for an out or a way to not have to

980

look directly at the horrors, especially

if we think we might be spared from them.

981

Beck: Right.

982

Dash: And I've been think, I've been

thinking about that movie a lot lately,

983

especially after this, um, this 60

minutes thing about the concentration

984

camp in El Salvador was, of course,

they didn't want us to see it.

985

Hm.

986

But that's where they're,

that's what they're doing.

987

They're not deporting anybody because

obviously, I mean, most of these people

988

are citizens, and if they're not citizens,

they just have never lived anywhere else.

989

Beck: Right.

990

Dash: And why else would they want

to revoke birthright citizenship They

991

want to, they wanna be able to send

their political enemies to these camps.

992

That's the end goal.

993

And they're sneaking in through

this immigration policy.

994

Bullshit and ICE is the Gestapo, and

you cannot convince me otherwise.

995

Beck: I agree with you completely.

996

Dash: back to Heather

Cox, Richardson's point.

997

They're killing white people now.

998

Beck: Yeah.

999

Dash: where's the Second Amendment people?

00:44:32,620 --> 00:44:33,730

I think I know where they are.

00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:35,200

I think they're in ice.

00:44:36,172 --> 00:44:37,222

Beck: Yeah, for real.

00:44:37,728 --> 00:44:39,618

Dash: we didn't do a very good

job of changing the subject.

00:44:42,500 --> 00:44:44,830

Beck: Well, I think sometimes we

just gotta talk about, you know.

00:44:45,086 --> 00:44:45,786

the things that are

00:44:45,786 --> 00:44:46,146

happening.

00:44:46,557 --> 00:44:46,977

Dash: I know.

00:44:47,452 --> 00:44:49,012

I did try to think of something goofy to

00:44:49,012 --> 00:44:51,352

do though for today's, uh, sponsor.

00:44:51,352 --> 00:44:51,892

So,

00:44:52,171 --> 00:44:57,426

maybe now is a good time to hear

from the Shakespeare of the Hollerer.

00:44:59,256 --> 00:45:03,126

Now is the winter of

our god dang discontent.

00:45:05,496 --> 00:45:06,966

it's cold as hell, y'all.

00:45:06,996 --> 00:45:09,936

The wind comes down the holler,

like a debt collector for

00:45:09,936 --> 00:45:11,226

a generation's old account.

00:45:11,226 --> 00:45:16,296

We can't possibly settle once was

promised spring warm and decent.

00:45:16,326 --> 00:45:17,856

They said it'd be early this year.

00:45:17,916 --> 00:45:19,086

They said that last year too.

00:45:19,176 --> 00:45:21,456

Spring is a liar and should be ashamed.

00:45:22,819 --> 00:45:26,479

The mountain just sits there judging

us in silence, like it knows we didn't

00:45:26,479 --> 00:45:30,349

bring enough firewood, but it is gonna

let us figure that out the hard way.

00:45:30,912 --> 00:45:32,322

The radio says sunshine.

00:45:32,322 --> 00:45:33,732

The sky says bullshit.

00:45:34,482 --> 00:45:38,082

The weather app says it's 34 degrees

because it's a liar, and it's on the

00:45:38,082 --> 00:45:43,244

take from big chem trail . I, who

was not made for this nonsense, nor

00:45:43,454 --> 00:45:47,624

designed for ice on the steps, must now

perform the ancient rituals of winter.

00:45:48,104 --> 00:45:49,634

Somehow slipping but not falling.

00:45:49,754 --> 00:45:52,514

Falling, but not telling anybody

and staring at the thermostat

00:45:52,514 --> 00:45:53,684

like it might change its mind.

00:45:54,114 --> 00:45:55,104

We have shoveled snow.

00:45:55,104 --> 00:45:56,094

We didn't ask for.

00:45:56,124 --> 00:45:58,254

We have salted walkways

that laughed at us.

00:45:58,404 --> 00:46:01,998

We have worn every shirt we own at

the same time and still been cold in

00:46:01,998 --> 00:46:06,161

the elbow . We We have stood in the

doorway saying, well, it's not that bad.

00:46:06,161 --> 00:46:07,541

While actively suffering.

00:46:07,768 --> 00:46:11,278

Yet we still endure with soup,

too hot coffee, too strong,

00:46:11,278 --> 00:46:13,198

and cat fur pocked blankets.

00:46:13,858 --> 00:46:18,118

So let winter rage on if it must let

the pipes knock like they're haunted.

00:46:18,388 --> 00:46:21,868

Let the truck not start for no

reason at all for the winter of our

00:46:21,868 --> 00:46:23,938

discontent shall pass eventually.

00:46:24,058 --> 00:46:27,957

And if it don't, we'll sit right here and

just complain about it A little louder.

00:46:28,167 --> 00:46:28,677

Amen.

00:46:33,897 --> 00:46:35,337

It is actually not that cold here.

00:46:37,604 --> 00:46:41,734

Beck: Yeah, it was in the sixties

yesterday here, but now it's like 25.

00:46:42,108 --> 00:46:46,128

Dash: Yeah, I mean it's, it's 20

here, but that's kind of warm for

00:46:47,028 --> 00:46:49,068

this part of, you know, Minnesota.

00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,320

I don't wanna jinx it though,

because everybody kept going

00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:52,910

like, oh, last winter was so mild.

00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:54,110

This winter's gonna be terrible.

00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:56,180

Last winter was way worse than this one.

00:46:56,180 --> 00:47:01,220

By this point, there were feet of snow

on the ground by January last year.

00:47:01,926 --> 00:47:05,436

Beck: We, we don't have any snow at

all in our, in our vicinity right now.

00:47:05,706 --> 00:47:10,506

Um, there are baby's footprints all over

my yard in the mud, and that makes me sad.

00:47:11,916 --> 00:47:15,696

But yeah, memories of her are everywhere.

00:47:15,696 --> 00:47:18,576

Shannon doesn't wanna mop the floor

because it was real muddy the last day,

00:47:18,906 --> 00:47:21,996

and when we brought her in from going

outside, there's footprints on the

00:47:21,996 --> 00:47:23,256

floor in the living room,

00:47:24,426 --> 00:47:25,716

so we have a dirty floor right now.

00:47:25,746 --> 00:47:27,666

'cause I, we don't wanna

get rid of her footprints.

00:47:28,649 --> 00:47:30,194

Dash: You gotta, you

gotta clean the floor.

00:47:30,194 --> 00:47:30,764

I'm sorry.

00:47:31,587 --> 00:47:31,887

Beck: Yeah.

00:47:31,887 --> 00:47:34,827

We'll, we'll, ain't

hurting nothing right now.

00:47:35,684 --> 00:47:36,614

Dash: No, it's not.

00:47:37,197 --> 00:47:38,487

And people have done much weirder

00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:39,837

things because they were sad.

00:47:40,644 --> 00:47:41,184

Beck: Yeah.

00:47:41,403 --> 00:47:42,948

a little mud on the floor

ain't never hurt nobody.

00:47:49,197 --> 00:47:50,697

I am not ready for school to start.

00:47:50,697 --> 00:47:51,417

I'm really not.

00:47:51,477 --> 00:47:52,857

Mentally, I'm not prepared.

00:47:53,967 --> 00:47:55,917

If I had like two more

weeks, I would be good.

00:47:55,917 --> 00:47:57,447

I think like two more weeks.

00:47:57,807 --> 00:48:01,287

But alas, I do not get two more weeks.

00:48:01,864 --> 00:48:02,084

Dash: No

00:48:02,556 --> 00:48:05,796

Beck: But where I'm teaching one,

one class online, I only have three

00:48:05,796 --> 00:48:07,416

classes on campus this semester.

00:48:07,416 --> 00:48:09,816

So that makes it, um, not as rough.

00:48:10,086 --> 00:48:13,866

on Tuesdays and Thursdays I have

00:48:13,866 --> 00:48:16,236

00:48:16,728 --> 00:48:16,818

Dash: Oh.

00:48:17,233 --> 00:48:17,683

Beck: Yeah,

00:48:17,931 --> 00:48:18,951

Dash: that sucks.

00:48:18,951 --> 00:48:19,191

Beck: yeah.

00:48:19,251 --> 00:48:22,011

But it's gonna make me be on campus

and do some writing on Tuesdays

00:48:22,011 --> 00:48:23,511

and Thursdays, no matter what I do.

00:48:23,571 --> 00:48:26,781

So I'm gonna do my office

hours on Tuesdays, which is

00:48:26,781 --> 00:48:28,521

just more time sitting around.

00:48:28,521 --> 00:48:31,491

But, I can go to my office

for a couple of hours and, and

00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:32,211

work there.

00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:33,603

so I'm make it work.

00:48:33,963 --> 00:48:35,823

And on Mondays, I don't have

to be there till four 30.

00:48:36,063 --> 00:48:36,513

So

00:48:37,896 --> 00:48:40,746

Dash: You could, um, you could

go for walks and stuff too.

00:48:41,081 --> 00:48:42,011

Beck: in this winter

00:48:42,503 --> 00:48:44,993

Dash: Do y'all get

memberships to the gym there?

00:48:45,102 --> 00:48:45,552

I'm not saying

00:48:45,552 --> 00:48:46,157

you should go to the gym.

00:48:47,855 --> 00:48:48,035

Beck: it.

00:48:48,475 --> 00:48:48,765

Dash: Okay.

00:48:49,715 --> 00:48:50,375

Beck: I'll cut you off.

00:48:50,375 --> 00:48:52,325

Like my friend that made me,

that sent me the link for the

00:48:52,325 --> 00:48:53,915

Biggest Loser application.

00:48:54,695 --> 00:48:55,715

I haven't talked to that bit.

00:48:55,745 --> 00:48:56,435

Oh yeah.

00:48:56,495 --> 00:48:58,475

I haven't talked to that

bitch in like 20 years.

00:48:58,879 --> 00:49:00,049

I'm still pissed about that.

00:49:00,349 --> 00:49:00,979

Not 20 years.

00:49:01,022 --> 00:49:01,472

Dash: What a

00:49:01,669 --> 00:49:02,689

Beck: years since I talked to her.

00:49:02,995 --> 00:49:03,945

Dash: Jesus Christ.

00:49:04,847 --> 00:49:06,492

Beck: Yeah, That's one of

the most rude things people,

00:49:06,492 --> 00:49:07,692

anybody, has ever done to me.

00:49:07,692 --> 00:49:11,082

Dash: Yeah, you can't, again, pe

people are out here just doing

00:49:11,082 --> 00:49:13,482

stuff of their own free will that

you couldn't torture me into doing.

00:49:13,795 --> 00:49:14,305

Beck: Right.

00:49:14,305 --> 00:49:17,935

People just like to be mean and I

don't, I'll never understand it.

00:49:18,352 --> 00:49:20,062

Dash: I don't, I mean,

I remember there have

00:49:20,062 --> 00:49:23,422

been times in my life when I have

been in a lot of pain and being mean,

00:49:23,422 --> 00:49:29,182

felt good, or at least felt like

a distraction from being in pain.

00:49:30,363 --> 00:49:32,197

You bring a noun of Appalachian interest

00:49:32,271 --> 00:49:36,621

Beck: I did, um, Shanna insisted

that I do a particular one this

00:49:36,621 --> 00:49:37,041

week.

00:49:37,401 --> 00:49:40,131

So this one is dedicated to my wife.

00:49:40,791 --> 00:49:41,241

All right.

00:49:41,418 --> 00:49:45,468

This week's noun of Appalachian interest

is clogs and no, we're not talking

00:49:45,468 --> 00:49:48,198

about crocs, not foam, not sport mode.

00:49:48,451 --> 00:49:51,751

we mean the shoes that you dance in,

the loud ones, the ones that turn

00:49:51,751 --> 00:49:55,351

your feet into percussion instruments

and make the floor part of the band.

00:49:55,861 --> 00:49:58,914

Real clogs are made for clogging,

which is a folk dance where your

00:49:58,914 --> 00:50:00,444

shoes do most of the talking.

00:50:00,834 --> 00:50:04,194

The heel hits, the toe taps,

and suddenly the dancers lowers.

00:50:04,194 --> 00:50:06,864

Half is keeping time

better than a metronome.

00:50:07,274 --> 00:50:11,234

The goal isn't grace so much as rhythm

arms are mostly along for the ride,

00:50:11,234 --> 00:50:12,854

just trying to stay out of trouble.

00:50:13,394 --> 00:50:16,724

Clogging shows up anywhere there's

old time or bluegrass music, and

00:50:16,724 --> 00:50:18,164

a floor that hasn't been warned.

00:50:18,554 --> 00:50:22,184

It's especially at home in Appalachia,

and fun fact, it's the official state

00:50:22,184 --> 00:50:24,344

dance in both Kentucky and North Carolina.

00:50:24,674 --> 00:50:27,284

If that doesn't tell you how

serious this is, nothing will.

00:50:27,884 --> 00:50:31,694

And while clogging often gets framed

into as the single rural tradition, it's

00:50:31,694 --> 00:50:33,704

actually a mashup of a lot of histories.

00:50:34,064 --> 00:50:37,694

The steps carry influences from

Irish, Scottish, and English dance,

00:50:37,934 --> 00:50:41,444

along with African American buck

dancing and native movement styles

00:50:41,684 --> 00:50:43,634

all blended together over generations.

00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:47,564

What started in living rooms with

furniture shoved aside, turned into

00:50:47,564 --> 00:50:51,914

dance halls, festivals, and competition,

it's still all about the community.

00:50:51,914 --> 00:50:55,394

Every time somebody pulls out those

clogs or starts stomping, they're

00:50:55,394 --> 00:50:59,594

carrying a whole lot of Appalachian

memory with them boldly, loudly,

00:50:59,624 --> 00:51:00,914

proudly, and right on the beat.

00:51:01,584 --> 00:51:04,584

Uh, team clogging really took off

in the mountains of North Carolina

00:51:04,584 --> 00:51:07,821

in the early 19 hundreds, starting

with square dancing groups.

00:51:08,061 --> 00:51:12,048

One famous group even danced at the

00:51:12,048 --> 00:51:15,558

that if you stomp with confidence,

eventually the government notices.

00:51:16,338 --> 00:51:19,458

Today clogging shows up at

festivals, fairs and competitions

00:51:19,458 --> 00:51:22,188

where teams stomp it out for

prizes and pride through it all.

00:51:22,428 --> 00:51:26,238

The clogs stay loud and unapologetic

with no interest in being subtle.

00:51:26,538 --> 00:51:28,968

So here's the clogs, the shoes

that don't whisper, don't

00:51:28,968 --> 00:51:30,408

apologize and remind us that.

00:51:30,408 --> 00:51:33,828

an Appalachia, sometimes it's the best

music, comes straight from the feet.

00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:35,915

Dash: Awesome.

00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:38,030

I totally forgotten about that.

00:51:38,242 --> 00:51:40,372

Beck: We were discussing what I

should do for the noun this week.

00:51:40,402 --> 00:51:43,312

'cause I don't have any extras written

up right now, which I usually do.

00:51:43,312 --> 00:51:44,062

I write a few ahead of

00:51:44,062 --> 00:51:44,392

time.

00:51:44,782 --> 00:51:47,182

Um, so I was gonna have to write

one and she was like, clogging.

00:51:47,182 --> 00:51:49,252

And I was like, well that's

a verb that ain't gonna work.

00:51:49,657 --> 00:51:51,622

And, And,

00:51:51,622 --> 00:51:52,072

she tried to

00:51:52,165 --> 00:51:52,505

Dash: you know,

00:51:53,362 --> 00:51:54,802

Beck: two clog was not a verb.

00:51:54,802 --> 00:51:56,182

And I'm like, I'm pretty

sure that makes it a

00:51:56,182 --> 00:51:56,602

verb.

00:51:57,005 --> 00:51:58,815

Dash: that is, it's called an infinit.

00:52:00,775 --> 00:52:02,755

Beck: but yeah, clogging

is big in West Virginia,

00:52:02,988 --> 00:52:03,498

Dash: Cool.

00:52:03,832 --> 00:52:07,402

The, we would like horse around

and do it when I was in college,

00:52:07,612 --> 00:52:11,452

um, which is now that I think

about it, just really strange.

00:52:11,782 --> 00:52:13,912

Of course, we also would sit

around and drum, we would

00:52:13,912 --> 00:52:15,202

have drum circles and stuff.

00:52:15,202 --> 00:52:15,532

Like,

00:52:16,029 --> 00:52:16,379

Beck: right.

00:52:17,122 --> 00:52:21,802

Dash: I think, I think, uh, Appalachia

had an identity crisis in the

00:52:21,802 --> 00:52:23,662

nineties and the early two thousands.

00:52:24,008 --> 00:52:28,472

like what are we, we don't want

to be this like history of like,

00:52:28,622 --> 00:52:30,272

the racist history of the region.

00:52:30,302 --> 00:52:34,832

How do you rebel against that without

also giving up your identity as.

00:52:35,192 --> 00:52:38,612

A person from the region, like we were

just too young and stupid to actually

00:52:38,612 --> 00:52:39,812

know how to answer that question.

00:52:40,322 --> 00:52:44,252

So it was a lot of like cultural

appropriation and stuff, trying

00:52:44,252 --> 00:52:46,502

to prove that we weren't rednecks.

00:52:46,532 --> 00:52:47,102

It's like, wait a minute.

00:52:47,102 --> 00:52:48,092

No, you're still a redneck now.

00:52:48,092 --> 00:52:49,292

You just won with dreadlocks.

00:52:51,449 --> 00:52:53,699

Oscars over here chewing

on my thermometer.

00:52:54,107 --> 00:52:57,137

Beck: I've got two dogs stretched

out fully on the couch here.

00:52:57,841 --> 00:52:58,981

Pita in her pajamas.

00:52:58,981 --> 00:53:00,661

She's wearing fleece, uh, tie-dyed

00:53:00,661 --> 00:53:01,411

pajamas.

00:53:01,891 --> 00:53:02,251

She looks

00:53:02,251 --> 00:53:03,811

cute in 'em, but she stays cold.

00:53:04,548 --> 00:53:05,088

Hi, win.

00:53:05,598 --> 00:53:05,658

Woo.

00:53:06,354 --> 00:53:06,714

Ooh.

00:53:06,744 --> 00:53:07,854

Big stretch.

00:53:09,071 --> 00:53:12,221

Dash: I think I'm gonna take some

Benadryl and see if actually the,

00:53:12,226 --> 00:53:15,191

the swelling's gone down, but

I think it's a sinus infection.

00:53:16,154 --> 00:53:17,939

Beck: You just can't win, can you?

00:53:18,945 --> 00:53:21,382

Dash: You know, at this point I'm kind of

00:53:21,382 --> 00:53:23,512

like, could be next?

00:53:23,662 --> 00:53:24,202

You know,

00:53:24,845 --> 00:53:25,355

Beck: Yeah.

00:53:25,586 --> 00:53:26,731

feel that in my

00:53:26,731 --> 00:53:26,851

soul.