Hello and welcome to the Women Conquer Business Show.
Jen:I'm Jen McFarland, joined by Shelley Carney.
Jen:We're your go-to small business marketing show covering breaking marketing news
Jen:that affects you cool apps we found, and a deep dive into a marketing topic
Jen:with a side of motivation and inspir.
Jen:We'll also talk a little about our own entrepreneurial journeys as well.
Jen:Are you ready?
Jen:Let's get started.
Jen:I know it was so fun.
Jen:. Hello and welcome.
Jen:Today we are talking about launching a new product or service, and the most
Jen:important questions you need to ask.
Jen:I have a top.
Jen:It's how I started every major project for multimillion dollar corporations and then
Jen:also win my work with marketing clients.
Jen:So as business owners, we love to chase our ideas.
Jen:What's better than attracting our customers with a new offering?
Jen:But have you asked all of the important questions you need to
Jen:consider before going all in?
Jen:Most of the time the answer is, During this episode, we'll uncover
Jen:the four key questions you must ask before you start something new.
Jen:Why?
Jen:Because it takes too much time to launch and market your ideas.
Jen:So you wanna get it right the first time?
Shelley:Absolutely.
Shelley:I don't like to mess around.
Shelley:Let's do it right the first time, . Cause we have enough mistakes that
Shelley:we make without doing 'em on purpose.
Shelley:. Jen: That's right.
Shelley:Hey, Happy birthday.
Shelley:Happy birthday to us.
Shelley:Yay.
Shelley:Where's my
Jen:Yes.
Jen:Woohoo.
Jen:Shelley, your birthday was the same day as my anniversary.
Jen:Yes.
Jen:And you had a special birthday weekend.
Jen:Oh my God.
Jen:We have so many balloons For those of you who are watching
Jen:. , Shelley: all the balloons.
Jen:So your, my birthday's the 10th.
Jen:Your birthday is tomorrow.
Jen:Had an anniversary.
Jen:We just party, party, party.
Jen:That's all we're
Jen:doing here.
Jen:We're just partying.
Jen:Just partying.
Jen:Yeah.
Shelley:Baby's family came up and we had a big party on Sunday.
Shelley:It was awesome.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:So the kids were there.
Shelley:His daughter Brian, her husband Tom, his son Jason Ryan and Tom's four kids.
Shelley:And Sean's two teenage sons were all there.
Shelley:Tom and Jason were playing guitars and singing for an hour and a half.
Shelley:They, and then at the end of their set, they played Happy Birthday and
Shelley:everybody sang and brought out the cake.
Shelley:And it was a big, Woohoo.
Shelley:We had a lot of fun.
Shelley:And this is my last year to be in my fifties.
Jen:Commemorative.
Jen:Exactly right, gotta do it.
Jen:Yeah, . So for my anniversary, we went to this great restaurant I've been wanting
Jen:to go to for a long time, called Bergerac.
Jen:It's Berg Bergerac.
Jen:it's French.
Jen:The French.
Jen:Oh, it is a French restaurant.
Jen:It was so delightful.
Jen:It was lovely and wonderful.
Jen:And then tomorrow for my birth, My husband asked me what I wanted to do, and this
Jen:might surprise some people, but I was like, I wanna see how Halloween ends.
Jen:I wanna see Jamie Lee Curtis in the last go in
Shelley:Halloween.
Shelley:Didn't know that was the name of the movie.
Shelley:And I was like, Ends, that's a weird thing
Jen:to wanna know, . So I don't know what we're doing before that,
Jen:but I know that we are doing that.
Jen:At late at night, we're gonna.
Jen:Like 10, 11 o'clock at night.
Jen:Oh.
Jen:To have my pants scared off.
Jen:Hopefully, not literally, cuz it's in a theater.
Jen:So that's how I'm spending my birthday.
Jen:I'm excited.
Jen:It'll be fun.
Jen:And yeah, that's pretty much what's going on with me.
Jen:I am in the process of revamping my workflows for my business.
Jen:And I suppose if you wanna know how I'm doing that, maybe I should make a
Jen:video or write a blog post about that.
Jen:But it's very exciting.
Jen:It's.
Jen:Changing some things.
Jen:Yeah I'm pretty, it's pretty cool.
Jen:So that's my news.
Jen:And then it sounds like you have a podcast, new podcast?
Jen:I have
Shelley:a podcast I've rebooted.
Shelley:So I had about 95.
Shelley:Episodes on there and had been sitting fallow for a while, and I decided to
Shelley:go ahead and start putting out more content on my YouTube channel and
Shelley:then putting the audio on my podcast.
Shelley:And my podcast is now on Amazon.
Shelley:It was cool because Amazon actually sent me an email and said, Hey
Shelley:we hear you have a podcast.
Shelley:Would you like to put it on Amazon?
Shelley:I was like, Yeah, I've been thinking about that.
Shelley:How'd you know?
Shelley:They read Minds Over at Amazon.
Shelley:So I'm always, You know what?
Shelley:I don't know why I'm ever surprised.
Shelley:My podcast is called Shelley Carney Livestream Coach.
Shelley:It goes live on Wednesdays on my YouTube channel at four o'clock in the
Shelley:afternoon, and the podcast is uploaded.
Shelley:Around, I don't know, 5, 5 30 on Wednesday.
Shelley:So you can listen to it Wednesday evening or Thursday morning.
Shelley:Whenever works best for you, but take a look for it.
Shelley:It's on the major platforms.
Shelley:Hey Toby.
Shelley:Thank you.
Shelley:Platform.
Jen:Yeah, that's so cool.
Jen:We'll put a, we'll put a link in the show notes to it.
Jen:I don't have it here to offer it up Now for people who are watching.
Jen:But yes.
Jen:How exciting this is cool.
Jen:Rebooting a show.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:So what do you have for us in breaking news?
Shelley:Okay.
Shelley:For breaking news, we have sounds,
Shelley:and we're talking about shopping because holiday shopping has already started with.
Shelley:The Amazon days and all that all that goings on.
Shelley:Let's see.
Shelley:Add this to the street.
Shelley:Oops, that's the wrong thing.
Shelley:You guys don't need to see that.
Shelley:So there's Ad Week has an article called This Beginning to Look a lot
Shelley:like the holiday shopping season will be defined by five trends.
Shelley:And this one is by marketing dive.
Shelley:And it's about a survey that they put out about people who are basically
Shelley:downgrading a little bit in order to be able to afford holiday shopping.
Shelley:And they may be either switching stores or brands going to lower priced brands
Shelley:adjusting their quantity or pack sizes, postponing purchases, or leveraging buy
Shelley:now pay later programs, layaway or credit.
Shelley:And the other one was the five trends, which includes big discounts earlier
Shelley:spend, which is what we're seeing with the Amazon Prime Early Bird
Jen:special.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:I started seeing that promotion.
Jen:I'm a prime member, and I, they were like, Do you wanna do it now, ? I
Jen:was like, What is this magic?
Jen:I want you to spend money now.
Jen:And I do.
Jen:Do you think, I do think that this has something to do with all the.
Jen:The inflation and then by now pay later, like it's it, we didn't have layaway
Jen:as it was called back in the day.
Jen:We didn't have layaway for the last few years and now it's made a comeback.
Jen:I noticed it made a comeback actually during Covid, and then it's just
Jen:continued and now it's becoming more and more prevalent, although
Jen:it's a little bit different by now.
Jen:Pay later, you can buy things and they'll send it to you and.
Jen:They just keep charging you.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:Now some of 'em.
Shelley:Furniture stores.
Shelley:And I think Amazon has a program where you can buy things and you have
Shelley:a 0% interest as long as you pay it off by a certain date and you make
Shelley:the, at least the minimum payments.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:Look at things like that, but don't overspend my, but do think
Shelley:about, hey, people are, Gear already for holiday shopping.
Shelley:So if you have something to present I was telling Jen about this info Stack
Shelley:has contacted me about a Black Friday special that they're putting together,
Shelley:and they've asked me if I wanted to be involved and share one of my courses on
Shelley:Info Stack, and they'll be, selling this.
Shelley:The whole Black Friday week.
Shelley:So be thinking about what are you gonna be doing for presenting your
Shelley:business as a for holiday shopping.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:And one of the things we're going to be talking about today is how to discern
Jen:what projects you're going to go after.
Jen:And it also helps you with marketing because one of the
Jen:biggest things that I see is people don't realize it's October 13th.
Jen:As we're talking right now live, Yeah.
Jen:People don't think people, small business people like you and me and the people
Jen:we serve don't think about planning out their marketing for November, December.
Jen:Now that's true, but really all of those conversations, Needed to
Jen:begin in September so that you could hit the ground running now.
Jen:And, but it's not too late.
Jen:And that's the thing, a lot of people have that intention that they're going
Jen:to do something for holiday season, whether it is, in the Thanksgiving time.
Jen:If you're like I'm not going to do anything on Black Friday.
Jen:Understand that the next day.
Jen:Small business Saturday and then the next Monday is Cyber Monday.
Jen:That's right.
Jen:So there's a whole line of things going on in there that in terms of your marketing,
Jen:you need to really be looking at.
Jen:Yeah, you're thinking about,
Shelley:Yeah, and Amazon hasn't waited for Black Friday.
Shelley:They have said we don't wanna compete with everybody else.
Shelley:We're gonna start now.
Shelley:So they started this week by showcasing some of the things that
Shelley:they're saying, Oh, this is like an early bird chance to spend money.
Shelley:As if we haven't been spending money on Amazon all year
Jen:already.
Jen:I know one of and all the, I've been following a lot of YouTubers and
Jen:live streamers, and they're starting to come out now with their email
Jen:lists saying, for Prime Day, here are the things you want to stream.
Jen:And I've been so far Not paying attention to that, but it's an interesting, We
Jen:had our birthdays and anniversaries.
Shelley:We're not ready for Christmas and Thanksgiving yet.
Shelley:No, I
Jen:know.
Jen:We need to buy ourselves gifts.
Jen:Yay,
Jen:Let's do it.
Jen:Okay, so let's power up.
Jen:Let's add this to the stream.
Jen:So as I said, I gave you a little foreshadowing . One of the biggest
Jen:problems that many small business owners have is they are not planning
Jen:for their success, or they take on projects that are maybe not the best
Jen:fit for what it is that you want to do, what your biggest purpose is, what your
Jen:mission is, your biggest business goals.
Jen:So remember, one of the things we've talked about over and
Jen:over again is your marketing.
Jen:Needs to be tied to your biggest business goals.
Jen:So one of the ways you can drift is if your marketing on social
Jen:media and stuff isn't talking about what you do every day, right?
Jen:The other way you can really drift and sometimes you don't see how far you've
Jen:drifted from your purpose or your biggest business mission is you take on
Jen:a project that just sounds really cool.
Jen:And it takes you away and then you start marketing it and you're like, Wait,
Jen:now how come nobody knows what I do?
Jen:living, so one of the things that I thought would be useful to talk about
Jen:are the four strategic questions to ask.
Jen:Yourself and your business before starting something new.
Jen:And what this means is you can really plan your success.
Jen:I love this because I studied it in graduate school, a and I used it
Jen:a lot on large projects at the city of Portland and some other places.
Jen:Be and see the most powerful reason to do it, to go through these questions
Jen:as a small business owner, as a solo printer, as a content creator, is,
Jen:it is a great way to say yes or no before you spend any money or any time
Jen:if you go through these questions.
Jen:So let's just start with the first question and the top first question.
Jen:That's I think, the most important because this is really the place.
Jen:Where you can say yes or no.
Jen:So the first question is what are we trying to accomplish and why?
Jen:So this would be like if I said to Shelley, Hey, let's start a pool company.
Jen:Then Shelley could be like, Why?
Shelley:She said, Where
Jen:are you going with this?
Jen:The pool company.
Jen:You're a marketer.
Jen:I'm a livestream coach.
Jen:Why would we start a pool company?
Jen:Shell.
Jen:Because it would be really cool.
Jen:Oh.
Jen:Cause I would feel like swimming, , , and so that's like really extreme, right?
Jen:And you're kinda like, that is not at all what I do.
Jen:There's no reason that I would do that.
Jen:But there are opportunities that come in all the time that are not
Jen:clearly aligned with what you do.
Jen:that people.
Jen:The risk we run, and you see this happen with people who do interview
Jen:shows on podcasts that don't constantly remind people about what they do.
Jen:And I say this to someone with experience.
Jen:I would interview people on my show.
Jen:And people are like, Jen, you're such a great interviewer.
Jen:And I'm like, , you dunno what I do for a living.
Jen:yeah.
Jen:And so that's the thing, like when you come up with something
Jen:and you're passionate about it, but you're also running a
Jen:business like you're higher, why?
Jen:And I was okay with interviewing people and like that whole
Jen:process for a while because my biggest goal in starting the show.
Jen:Two, three years ago was to become a better public speaker.
Jen:So it was okay and to make connection, like those were like my two goals, right?
Jen:. So if that's what you're trying to accomplish and why you're starting
Jen:something, just be very clear that those are the things that you're
Jen:trying to accomplish, and that's fine.
Jen:And that's the thing.
Jen:When I was thinking about the summit and bringing everybody together,
Jen:it was I am not an event planner.
Jen:, I would be spending a lot of time and resources promoting something when
Jen:those resources are better spent.
Jen:Attracting new clients and bringing people in, organizing workflows,
Jen:getting, doing all of these different things for me right now in my business.
Jen:But sometimes we have to pitch the idea to somebody else and they remind
Jen:you, like, Why are we doing this?
Jen:I'm telling you, because we communicate about things and I'm
Jen:telling the audience because they're, they have ideas all the time.
Jen:It's, remember that not every idea is a good.
Jen:And that you need to talk to other people because here I am, somebody
Jen:saying, Here's how you plan your success.
Jen:And oh, by the way, I get drawn away too.
Jen:Yeah, Because oftentimes as small business owners or solopreneurs or
Jen:freelancers, we get pulled away or pulled in many different directions.
Jen:So that's why this question is so important and why it's important to
Jen:also talk and communicate with others.
Jen:So what are we trying to accomplish and why?
Jen:A few years ago, I was a guest on a podcast, and it was so funny, like in
Jen:the middle of the interview, I came up with this concept, and the reason why
Jen:you always wanna be mission aligned and really super clear about what
Jen:you're trying to accomplish is you don't want to climb the wrong mountain.
Jen:It's really easy for you to drift away from your ultimate
Jen:mission and your biggest goals.
Jen:One day look back and go, Wait, that was what I really wanted to do.
Jen:That was my higher purpose.
Jen:That is who I am than what I do.
Jen:Why am I standing over here on this other mountain?
Jen:That doesn't make any sense to me.
Jen:. Yeah, you wanna climb the right mountain because entrepreneurship is hard.
Jen:So you wanna be always like doing the thing that makes the most sense for.
Jen:That should hopefully ring true on like, why, what are we
Jen:trying to accomplish and why?
Jen:Why are you motivated?
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:And
Shelley:sometimes it's at different levels of the funnel, right?
Shelley:So you might be saying, I want brand awareness, or I want I want to
Shelley:generate leads, or I want conversions, or I want, to satisfy my customers.
Shelley:Whatever it is, it's gotta fit in your funnel somewhere.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Especially when you're taking on a new project.
Jen:You always wanna be very clear about what the bigger goal is.
Jen:So this is bigger stuff, like for me, starting the podcast,
Jen:my bigger goal was I want to be teaching, I want to be on stages.
Jen:I want to be speaking to groups.
Jen:And guess what?
Jen:I am now doing that . And a lot of it is because I practiced by being on other
Jen:people's shows, by having my own shows.
Jen:So in a way I can be like, Check, which takes us into question number two.
Jen:How will we measure success?
Jen:How do we know when we're there?
Jen:What is there?
Shelley:and it's for each individual project has its own measure of success.
Shelley:So yeah, for my YouTube channel, I might be trying to get to 500.
Shelley:That would be success.
Shelley:But what campaign am I installing in order to make that happen?
Shelley:That's where we're at right here.
Shelley:I started restarted my Shelley Carney livestream coach podcast and
Shelley:YouTube videos in order to try to get over 500 on my YouTube channel.
Shelley:And I'll know when I get there when I hit that number.
Shelley:So that's success for that particular campaign, but it's not.
Shelley:Overall, my one, defining goal is to get to 500 on my YouTube channel.
Shelley:That's just one small thing,
Jen:right?
Jen:So for example, we're talking about Shelley Carney live coach,
Jen:and you're doing like live streams and you have a podcast.
Jen:I would hope that the broader, bigger goal measure of success is not just
Jen:subscribers, but some sort of payment.
Jen:Whether it's clients or people taking your courses or both, or some sort
Jen:of timeline that you have I'm gonna reach 500 subscribers and my goal is
Jen:to have a milestone at each point.
Jen:It might be I wanna generate revenue.
Jen:I want this project to be successful.
Jen:I'm going to define success by attracting, three new con, three new clients.
Jen:X number of days, whatever is reasonable, and that's the thing.
Jen:The point is you need to have deadlines and finances tied to what success is.
Jen:If you don't, how do you know when you get there?
Jen:It can be demoralizing if the goals are too big.
Jen:It can also be demoralizing when you're like I don't know if I've done
Jen:it . I don't even know what it is.
Shelley:And somebody might have to point out to look, you were
Shelley:at 470 and now you're at 500.
Shelley:So you've done something, you've grown a little bit.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:Unless you have that 500 goal, you're like, Oh, I guess I got there.
Shelley:. And that's,
Jen:and that's the thing, like you need to measure success.
Jen:You need, it needs to be incremental.
Jen:And it, like you're, because you have experience, you're not
Jen:gonna get 500 subscribers in a.
Jen:It's going to take time, but if you don't have experience, you
Jen:need to set something reasonable.
Jen:It's like people who are like I'm gonna make a million dollars in a year.
Jen:How much are you making now?
Jen:10,000.
Shelley:That's
Jen:a big jump We need something in the interim so that we feel successful
Jen:along the way, otherwise we give up.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:But we also need to define success so that we know when we get there
Jen:so we can move on to the next.
Jen:We also need to have, know what success looks like, so we know how to
Jen:market it , because then we know how to, what buttons to push that will
Jen:help us reach that ultimate goal.
Jen:So this is the beginning of making our dreams actionable.
Jen:If you think about it like that, we have this big fuzzy goal or this big
Jen:goal of what we wanna accomplish.
Jen:We need actions that help us understand when we've achieved that big goal.
Jen:So part of that is to start clearly defining it, and we do that in part so
Jen:that we know when we need to set another goal or what the next success looks like.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:I don't feel, Are you buying it?
Shelley:yeah, and it is like there, it's like I said, there.
Shelley:We're talking about when you're starting something new.
Shelley:So if it's a campaign of course when you have a whole new bus, a
Shelley:whole business, you've gotta have a whole set of goals for that business
Shelley:that cover each aspect of it.
Shelley:But we're specifically trying to focus here on new things, like a new program,
Shelley:a new product, a new service, and a campaign that would fit into that.
Shelley:And then how do you know when you've gotten success out of that campaign?
Shelley:In.
Shelley:Whether it works or not, you're gonna be learning something.
Shelley:This can a campaign works or it doesn't.
Shelley:So I abandon it and I try something different.
Shelley:But each campaign, you've gotta have a reason to do it.
Shelley:You can't just say, Oh, I wanna do a podcast because podcasting looks
Shelley:fun and you try it and it's not as much fun as you thought it would be.
Shelley:then you're like, Why did I even do this?
Shelley:You have got to have reasons and goals with.
Shelley:Campaign that you're doing?
Jen:Part of it, I'm gonna point so that I know , part of it is, we've talked about
Jen:this before, is you have to have patience.
Jen:You can't have Marketing Omo, fear of missing out.
Jen:You can't think everything's gonna happen really quick.
Jen:You can't just jump on the next thing.
Jen:Part of this is so that you.
Jen:Get grounded in what you're trying to accomplish, what success
Jen:looks and something reasonable around how long it's gonna take.
Jen:If you're starting a podcast, if you're doing YouTube, these
Jen:things don't happen overnight.
Jen:, you need to talk to some people.
Jen:You need to set up reasonable timelines.
Jen:Otherwise, you're right.
Jen:You're gonna just be like, this isn't fun.
Jen:I'm speaking into the void, And so in order to avoid.
Jen:Feeling that way.
Jen:That's why the goals need to be reasonable and you might need to
Jen:talk to somebody else about it.
Jen:The point is to really take your dream and start to think about the infrastructure
Jen:that goes under that when you start something new and to really understand
Jen:if what it's gonna take to accomplish.
Jen:What you would like to accomplish if that is aligned with you, with your company,
Jen:with everything that you are trying to build with your deepest desires for your
Jen:company, is if we decided to start a pool company, then we would just have to scrap
Jen:what everything else that we're doing and we would have to go all in on that.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:So sometimes when you look at Can I really go all in?
Jen:That's when you start to see Oh, I'm really like drifting away
Jen:from my like higher purpose.
Jen:and that's why like for you to do Shelley Carney livestream coach, it's so aligned
Jen:because it's who you are and what you do.
Jen:Third
Shelley:personal brand, which is one of my goals with it.
Jen:Yeah, exactly.
Jen:Great.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:But oftentimes we get asked to do things.
Jen:It would be like What was the name of the organization that you're creating?
Jen:The, It's called Info Stack.
Jen:Yeah, Info Stack.
Jen:If they were like, Shelley why don't you share about.
Jen:I don't know.
Jen:I'm trying to think of something else really off the wall.
Jen:Why don't you create a course about recycling?
Jen:You'd probably be like, What , This doesn't make any sense.
Jen:Why would I do that?
Jen:I have no interest in that.
Jen:I'm no interest in that.
Jen:And so it's easy to do what?
Jen:It's really off the wall.
Jen:It's harder to do when it's maybe about, how do I create, can you do something
Jen:about TikTok and short form video?
Jen:That's not really what you do, right?
Jen:That's a whole different animal.
Jen:So like you might be inclined to be like, Yeah, but I could really get a lot of
Jen:email subscribers if I do that, right?
Jen:If I join this, if I do info stack and I did something about TikTok, but then
Jen:you would get subscribers and people who are expecting you to talk about
Jen:TikTok all the time, because that's the course that you prepared for.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Does that make maybe more sense?
Jen:So the off the wall stuff, you can just go, Eh, that doesn't make any sense.
Jen:When it starts to get close.
Jen:Like TikTok is still video, you do YouTube.
Jen:The alert of all the potential clients and subscribers Yeah.
Jen:Can really draw you in.
Jen:Oh sure.
Jen:It
Shelley:would be like if somebody came to me and Toby and said, Oh, we
Shelley:want you to do a commercial for us.
Shelley:And it's Oh, we used to that, but we're not really doing that anymore.
Shelley:And yeah, it would be hard to turn it down if it was good money.
Shelley:But it isn't in alignment with what we're doing right now.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:So say that you're like, Okay, this is totally on purpose.
Jen:It's aligned with my mission.
Jen:I know what success looks like.
Jen:Then we move on to the third question, which is what other conditions must exist?
Jen:Another way of looking at that is what assumptions am I making to reach my goals?
Jen:Another way to look at this is what could possibly go wrong, , before I get there.
Jen:And so the way to look at.
Jen:Because Shelley looked at this question and was like, I don't know
Jen:what that means, . Is that fair?
Jen:That was,
Shelley:Yes.
Shelley:I asked.
Shelley:I asked, What did that mean?
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:What other conditions must exist?
Jen:when we go live, or when you as a business owner giving a presentation
Jen:in Zoom, meeting with clients, You are making a lot of assumptions,
Jen:so walking into this today, I, this morning was a little late getting
Jen:my stuff together, but I'm assuming that when I go to stream yard.com.
Jen:It's there.
Jen:I can log into it.
Jen:I'm assuming that the lights and the electricity here is gonna work.
Jen:And we have had a show where that did not work.
Jen:, That's right.
Jen:Five seconds before the show went live.
Jen:I had a, There was.
Jen:Actually
Shelley:was in the middle of the show, or right after about a minute
Shelley:we'd gone into it about a minute.
Shelley:And then suddenly you had a
Jen:power outage.
Jen:Oh, that's right.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Cause I loose in place where the transformers below, sometimes we get
Jen:these blips, and I think Shelley was in here tap dancing, figure how, come
Shelley:back.
Shelley:Is this a situation where I keep going or do we just stop and start over sometime?
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:So yeah, so that happens.
Jen:So we made an assumption that the power was gonna work, the
Jen:computers were gonna work.
Jen:Cause we also had an episode, I think where the computer went down, didn't we?
Jen:Where Toby's computer went.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:And because that happens.
Jen:Sorry, Toby.
Jen:Feel better.
Jen:Your computer's.
Jen:Okay.
Jen:Don't worry about it.
Jen:But all of which is to say you're making all of these assumptions all the
Jen:time that everything is gonna be okay.
Jen:A lot of people get freaked out when you start to think about risk.
Jen:What's the risk?
Jen:What's the risk of me doing this project?
Jen:What could possibly go wrong?
Jen:and I don't know about you, but I know that when I plan
Jen:for what if things go wrong?
Jen:Typically things don't go wrong.
Jen:. How many times have you planned a party and you're like, what about this, and
Jen:what about this and what about this?
Jen:, Shelley: having a strong support system
Jen:go wrong or so that things don't go wrong.
Jen:If you're putting on an event and you, it's just you, a
Jen:lot more things can go wrong.
Jen:But if you have a team, a strong team, and everybody fills in those gaps for each
Jen:other, Things are less likely to go wrong, that can't be supported by somebody else.
Jen:So yeah.
Jen:Thinking of those things that you need in advance to support
Jen:what you're trying to accomplish.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Jen:Yeah, because then when things go sideways, which happens,
Jen:You have thought about it.
Jen:, you're not caught flatfooted or not as flatfooted.
Jen:So a lot of people who resist the idea to really consider everything, and what
Jen:if I don't reach my goal or my dream?
Jen:if you think about it, then you have actually started taking steps to what we
Jen:call mitigating risk or taking steps to go, Oh no, I already thought about this.
Jen:Here's what we're gonna do.
Jen:. That's a much more powerful position to be in than, Holy
Jen:crap, what just happened, . Yeah.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Which is scary.
Jen:It's super scary.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:So what is it about this new thing that you wanna do?
Jen:If it's not gonna go exactly like you would like it to, or like you had planned?
Jen:What could possibly go wrong and what am I gonna do before it happens to make sure.
Jen:Now, this can also be things like if you were talking about a marketing campaign
Jen:or something like that, where you can be like, Okay, I am assuming that it's
Jen:gonna cost this much to run an ad.
Jen:What happens if it costs more?
Jen:Am I willing to pay more for it?
Jen:Am I willing to not?
Jen:Are there other ways that I can market?
Jen:That are more cost effective.
Jen:If I learned that my assumption about how much this is gonna cost me goes wrong.
Jen:Another assumption that people make is about time.
Jen:Time is money.
Jen:If you need people to support you, that's something that you
Jen:can plan for ahead of time.
Jen:I am assuming that rebuilding my website is super easy and gonna take two hours.
Shelley:Wrong.
Shelley:Better than that, Jen.
Shelley:Wrong.
Shelley:That's
Jen:wrong.
Jen:as someone who knows how to do it and has helped people with that.
Jen:No.
Jen:You also know that when you are involving other people in whatever it is that you
Jen:are doing, you can't assume that they're sitting around waiting to help you.
Jen:You have to realize that they have other things.
Jen:They need to schedule you in.
Jen:That's why we plan things like small business Saturday in
Jen:October, instead of November.
Jen:So yeah, our campaigns start running.
Jen:We have everything set up.
Jen:It's it becomes as easy as it's time to launch.
Jen:I've thought about everything.
Jen:Somebody's helped me, somebody supported me.
Jen:It's easy to launch.
Jen:What other conditions must exist?
Jen:What could possibly go wrong?
Jen:And what are you going to do about.
Jen:Maybe that's what I should call this question, what could possibly go wrong
Jen:and what are you going to do about it?
Shelley:Yeah, I like that.
Shelley:I like that.
Shelley:And yeah and cultivating your support in advance.
Shelley:Yeah.
Jen:Oh, absolutely.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:The other thing that you're doing here, when you think about what other conditions
Jen:must exist, is you have to consider.
Jen:External disruptors.
Jen:So we talked about it to an extent with the power could
Jen:go out, equipment could fail.
Jen:It also means like what's your competition doing and how can
Jen:they upset the apple cart?
Jen:So there are things that could happen that you start to notice, like trends
Jen:that could be happening, changes shifts.
Jen:Other companies, competitors that could.
Jen:Disrupt what's happening, what assumptions that you're making.
Jen:And that's why I don't like to focus or have my clients focus too
Jen:much on competitors cuz when we compare, we start to get, it gets
Jen:on our head sometimes a little bit.
Jen:But we do need to have that kind of awareness.
Jen:We need to understand our own industries, we need to understand the
Jen:landscape of what's going on out there.
Jen:And that also helps us think about our goals and think about
Jen:what it is we're trying to do.
Jen:In a more holistic way.
Shelley:So it's an opportunities and threats a thing.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:. Jen: Yeah.
Shelley:This is like part risk analysis, part SWAT analysis.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:Strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.
Shelley:What could possibly go wrong and what am I gonna do about it?
Shelley:, oftentimes people don't think about these things.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:Oh yeah.
Shelley:Because we got our rose colored glasses on because we're excited to go swimming,
Shelley:so we wanna start a pool company.
Shelley:Let's dive in.
Jen:So then the last question is the one that most people just go to immediately,
Jen:like it's I wanna start a pool company.
Jen:How are we gonna do it?
Jen:Yep.
Jen:They skip over those middle two, right?
Jen:They aren't even really thinking about what are we trying to accomplish and why?
Jen:It's we're gonna do this thing.
Jen:How are we gonna do it?
Jen:So how are we gonna get there?
Jen:That's the last question.
Jen:Those are the nitty gritty, step by step details.
Jen:This is where tech lives, this is where our checklists live, all of that.
Jen:How am I gonna do it?
Jen:What am I gonna do every day, every week, every month, every year to
Jen:make sure that I am planning my.
Jen:Yes.
Jen:And what happens is it's easy to go from, I'm gonna do this
Jen:thing, how am I gonna get there?
Jen:And then you skip everything else and you're like, What the heck did I just do?
Jen:So that, are you still there, Kelly?
Jen:? Shelley: How do we get there?
Jen:Is my favorite.
Jen:People always wanna know how, okay, how, why, and how they
Jen:forget about the what and why.
Jen:Why would we wanna do this?
Jen:, gotta figure that out first.
Jen:How is
Shelley:good?
Shelley:How is how tos, education information, All the details, all the numbers,
Shelley:all the, step by step action plan.
Shelley:We wanna.
Shelley:We wanna get started.
Shelley:Let's get started.
Shelley:But yeah, there's some thinking to do first.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:It just needs to be tied to something.
Jen:You have to tether those tasks to something bigger because otherwise it's
Jen:easy to get, keep your head down and do things and then you can't tell if it's
Jen:really gonna get you what you ultimately,
Shelley:That's right.
Shelley:And once you've made up your mind to do something, it's hard to change
Shelley:it again because conservation of energy, our brain is make the decision
Shelley:once and then keep working at it.
Shelley:You wanna make those decisions consciously and you wanna make good ones
Shelley:so that you're doing the work that's going to get you where you wanna go.
Jen:The end, that's the end of our training right there, . That's it.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:All right, so if you want to, if you know that you wanna create content and
Jen:you know this is, that was fine, , you know that you wanna create content and
Jen:it is really a big part of your broader goal, I highly encourage you to download
Jen:the content consistency framework and schedule that Shelley has put together.
Jen:That is an excellent tool that will help you reach some of
Jen:your bigger content goals.
Jen:If you like trainings like this and you want to know a little bit
Jen:more about how to look at your own marketing and maybe figure out
Jen:exactly how your goals are being.
Jen:Done , how?
Jen:How much , I don't have any words left.
Jen:I've lost them all.
Jen:, I have a free marketing as self-assessment that you can take.
Jen:That is at send fox.com/wcb.
Jen:That's for Women Conquer Business.
Jen:And you can go through your marketing, see how you're tracking, maybe
Jen:think a little about how this ties into your bigger business goals.
Jen:And that is the end of our.
Jen:Yay.
Shelley:I had to, I had a little story I wanted to tell you.
Shelley:It fit in with another show I was doing maybe it'll fit here as well.
Shelley:When I was in film technology class one of the things that we did was we worked on.
Shelley:Projects for everybody.
Shelley:If everybody had a project, we work on it just to learn, right?
Shelley:And as we were doing this, sometimes things would go wrong, The audio would
Shelley:be wrong have problems, or there would be plane overhead and cause a problem with
Shelley:the audio or maybe the video, something wasn't quite right with the video.
Shelley:And the joke, the joke was, fix it in post which means now it's the editor's problem.
Shelley:And if you are doing Your own production.
Shelley:You are the editor.
Shelley:So do yourself a favor, fix it in pre-production through planning and having
Shelley:those, that support system and having that knowledge and skills in place, or
Shelley:getting somebody to help you who has that knowledge and those skills to make
Shelley:those things happen so that you're.
Shelley:Stuck in post.
Shelley:I can't tell you how many projects got stuck in post where
Shelley:the editor couldn't fix it.
Shelley:There was no fix , so it never finished, It never got published and distributed.
Shelley:So don't do that to yourself.
Shelley:Make sure that you are spending as much time in that planning and
Shelley:pre-production phase as you are in production and post that is.
Shelley:Process.
Shelley:And the more planning and thinking ahead you can do, the more you're
Shelley:gonna save yourself at English of not being able to finish the project.
Jen:And like the other part of that, I know planning snore,
Jen:people hate talking about planning.
Jen:It saves you so much time and money.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:I can't even tell you, especially if you're like, That's not a good idea.
Jen:I'm not going to do it.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Think about how much anguish and time you've just saved yourself.
Jen:That's.
Jen:, That's the whole point.
Jen:That's right.
Shelley:Like when you're writing the script, Toby and I have done this.
Shelley:We were writing a script for a 48 hour film and he was like, what if we
Shelley:get like a police car, somebody with that, and then they pull you over and
Shelley:they do this scene and it's we are not gonna be able to make that happen.
Shelley:Don't even put it in the script.
Shelley:Make it simpler.
Shelley:So as you're writing your script, as you're planning your
Shelley:pre-production stuff, That's when you have to say, Is this gonna work?
Shelley:How will this work?
Shelley:How will I know when it's worked?
Shelley:And put that into your plan so that by the time you get to that production
Shelley:and post, everything is going smoothly at that and it's, and you're doing
Shelley:the way that it should be done.
Shelley:If you have 48 hours to make a film, you don't have time to find somebody
Shelley:with a police car in a uniform to come show up and do a scene with you.
Shelley:Don't put that in your script, . Absolutely.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:Absolutely.
Jen:So are we ready?
Jen:Speaking of script.
Jen:Yay.
Jen:You ready?
Jen:For the tweak of the week?
Jen:Tweak it up where you're gonna talk about the script,
Shelley:the script.
Shelley:I am going to show you what I've been working on in descript.
Shelley:Share the screen.
Shelley:I forgot that I was gonna show you this, so I,
Jen:So for those of you who don't know, descript is at.com and it is
Jen:a program that both Shelley and I use for video editing, captioning.
Jen:I use it for editing the podcast because you can take audio and bring it in.
Jen:You can take video and bring it in.
Jen:And it looks like Shelley wants to share some new video editing and captioning.
Jen:Is that what's going on?
Jen:Yeah, this is a
Shelley:pretty new product.
Shelley:Descript is still in beta testing with it, and it can have a few glitches here
Shelley:and there, so you may have to restart a few times, but it is an automatic save and
Shelley:you can always do an undo if, if you have.
Shelley:Something you need to undo.
Shelley:They have undo and then they have automatic save.
Shelley:So that's helpful.
Shelley:And what you can do is you can bring in a clip of what I did was,
Shelley:or I brought in a short clip of my livestream video and I captioned it.
Shelley:I added in video clips.
Shelley:So they have video clips that you can use.
Shelley:For instance, this is a video clip that.
Shelley:Have in their library that you can pull in and use and it's
Shelley:pretty, pretty quick and easy.
Shelley:And then of course it captions it for you.
Shelley:So if you wanna put up, say I do a live stream that's 30 minutes long and
Shelley:I want to put up a video that's five minutes or less, pull out a clip and.
Shelley:Cut out things that I don't want in there, Put in some
Shelley:video clips from their library.
Shelley:And now I've got a whole new video that I can upload to my channel, which is just
Shelley:focused on that one thing that I talked about during my big long live stream.
Shelley:A really.
Shelley:Nice way to to create video clips, d script again, it does your
Shelley:transcription and so much more
Shelley:So much more.
Shelley:So much so
Jen:this is cool.
Jen:So if you hit play, what does this look like?
Jen:It looks like it'll if you hit it
Shelley:why consistency.
Shelley:Important.
Shelley:I'm gonna outline a few of the ideas about consistency that makes it so important.
Shelley:Igniting the power of the compound effect.
Shelley:Every little habit, every little detail.
Jen:Okay, So that's pretty cool.
Jen:So for those of you who are listening, Shelley was playing a
Jen:part of one of her presentations.
Jen:So she moved from her presentation piece to then talking about the
Jen:power of doing it, and showed like four panels of somebody.
Jen:Getting into the details of getting everything done.
Jen:Yeah, it's pretty powerful.
Jen:That's really neat.
Shelley:It's pretty cool.
Shelley:And if you are not a person who knows how to edit, this is a perfect
Shelley:product to start with because it is, As you're editing the text, you
Shelley:are also editing the audio and video automatically, so it keeps it simple for
Jen:you.
Jen:I love it.
Jen:I tell people, if you're starting a podcast, go with the script because.
Jen:If you can edit, your Google Docs or Microsoft Word, then you can
Jen:edit your show and it's so easy.
Jen:And it does the same thing with video.
Jen:I love it.
Jen:It works for me.
Jen:so that's awesome.
Jen:I didn't, the captioning, I've struggled with getting in captioning
Jen:to work, so it looks like they've done some things to make it, They
Shelley:are making a lot of changes.
Shelley:So right now, again, it's in, in the story.
Shelley:Format for editing video is in beta.
Shelley:And they continue to get better every week.
Shelley:So yeah.
Shelley:Yeah, there still
Jen:changes going on.
Jen:That's what I've loved about script.
Jen:I was an early adopter and it has consistently gotten better and better.
Jen:Yeah.
Jen:So that's lovely.
Jen:Thank you.
Jen:I'll have to look that up.
Jen:Ready for inspirational nugget.
Shelley:Let's do that.
Shelley:So I gotta pull down my D script.
Shelley:so much to do.
Shelley:All right, this is Epictetus Epi once said if anyone would take two words to
Shelley:heart and take pains to govern and watch over themselves by them, they will live
Shelley:an impeccable and immensely tranquil.
Shelley:The two words are persist and resist.
Shelley:That's great advice, but what principles should determine what we persist
Shelley:in and what we ought to resist?
Shelley:Marcus supplies that answer, reverence and justice.
Shelley:In other words, virtue.
Shelley:What do my principles tell me about persisting and resisting?
Shelley:I believe we persist in love and resist hate persist in doing the
Shelley:things that bring me joy and resist the procrastinating, buffering
Shelley:activities that keep me hiding from the world in my responsibilities.
Shelley:And we persist in planning and we resist jumping into starting a pool company
Shelley:when we don't know what we're doing.
Shelley:, That's
Jen:right.
Shelley:Anything you wanna add to that, Jen?
Jen:No, I totally agree.
Jen:That's really great.
Shelley:Anything you wanna persist in or resist this week?
Jen:I'm just going to persist in getting my workflows updated and
Jen:modernized and I'm hiring help with that and I'm excited about that.
Jen:So gonna resist the draw of not.
Jen:Getting the workflows done since I got so behind on it at one point
Jen:that it's easier to just do nothing
Jen:So I'm gonna resist
Shelley:that.
Shelley:Yeah.
Shelley:All right.
Shelley:And we hope that you will persist in joining us every week here on Women
Shelley:Conquer Business, and subscribe.
Shelley:Share this with your friends, and we'll see you again next week.
Shelley:Woo.
Shelley:Thank you for joining the Women Conquer Business Podcast, posted by
Shelley:Shelley Carney and Jen McFarland.
Shelley:Please subscribe and leave a comment or question regarding your most challenging
Shelley:content creation or business problem.
Shelley:Then share this podcast with family and friends.
Shelley:So they can find the support they need to expand their brand and
Shelley:share their message with the world.
Shelley:Check the show notes for links to valuable resources and come back again next week.