In this delightful podcast, Colten Chalker stops by to talk about life, liberty, and love. Colten is a local electrician, an old friend of mine, and a favorite guest from Ramble by the River season 1 (Ep.5).

Some topics you can look forward to:

• Colten’s recent wedding and the wardrobe malfunction that almost ruined everything.
• Colten describes the process of fertility testing and baby-making.
• The artistic works of George W. Bush
• Colten's most-hated human traits
• Can your dog lie to you?

This is a fun podcast that actually makes some really valid points about some of the hottest political topics of the day. Kick back and enjoy!

P.S. Colten Chalker's "Lost Episode" can be accessed via Patreon channel. For access click the "Subscribe" link at the top of the page on Ramblebytheriver.com.

Keywords: Whiskey; Spotify; Dark Horse Podcast; Harvey Weinstein; Hannah Chalker (Bolden); quilting; weddings; Topo Chico; Bitcoin; cryptocurrency; ADHD; fertility; in-vitro fertilization; Project Midnight Climax; MK-ultra; LSD; mind-control; C.I.A.; counter-culture; Will Ferrell; Chaos by Tom O’Neil; Charles Manson; social media; Donald Trump; Barrack Obama; George W. Bush; Alex Jones; "false-flag" operations; the Trolley Problem; Gulf of Tonkin; Pearl Harbor; Bay of Pigs; Cuban missile crisis; sinking of the Luisitania; yellow journalism; September 11 attacks; Lance Armstrong; self-pity; self-awareness; human consciousness; free will; ego; objective morality; murder; Dave Chappell; Yannis Papas; Tim Dillon; Andrew Schultz; Mark Norman; BB gun safety.

Music Credits:

• No Hook, Pandaraps.
• Champagne Toast, NBHD Nick.
• Glimmering Galaxy; Eneide.
• Celestial Dreams, Eneide.
• Planetary Traveler, Eneide.
• "Untitled" Live, Jacob Miller.
• Still Fly, Revel Day.
• Love Love, Heyson.
• National Anthem, National Anthem Worx.
• Shots, Shots, Shots, Lil Jon and LMFAO.

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[00:00:08] The guest on the podcast today is Colten Chaker. And joining me in the studio for this introduction is the lovely Amelia grace Nesbitt. Hey mills. Hi, what

[00:00:21] Jeff Nesbitt: Why are you digging in your butt?

[00:00:36] Okay. Look at the lava lamp

[00:00:56] Jeff Nesbitt: That was good. Thank you. Here you go. Oh, you want me to open that? [00:01:00]

[00:01:09] Jeff Nesbitt: Thank

[00:01:09] Jeff Nesbitt: so

[00:01:14] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, it was not impromptu. You prepared that I already wrote it down. How did you know that I was gonna ask. Just lucky, I guess. Yeah. Wow. And, and also, how did you write it? You don't know how to write.

[00:01:33] you just did a trick.

[00:01:36] Jeff Nesbitt: my stuff. You do body tricks,

[00:01:40] Jeff Nesbitt: stuff. What is that move? It's called

[00:01:47] Jeff Nesbitt: I love it. Thank you. Welcome to the show. It's good to have you guys here. Thank you for tuning in. So this week is Colten Chaker. Colten is an electrician. He is one of my good friends from [00:02:00] Ilwaco high school. I've actually known Colten since kindergarten and did his first episode. Last year, uh, in season one.

[00:02:13] So kind of an interesting story with this episode, colten came over and we recorded an episode right after Calvin, after we had recorded Calvin's and it was great, but it was late and we were both tired and you know, it just didn't didn't come out the way we wanted it to it.

[00:02:46] It's a whole nother set of topics and the first episode we are still gonna release it. It is on the Patreon site. So if you are interested in hearing it, you'll have to subscribe to our Patreon channel and you can do that by going to RamblebytheRiver.com dot [00:03:00] com and clicking the subscribe link at the top of the page. in the episode today, we talk about Colten's wedding, his wardrobe, bowel function, where his pants burst open. Colten explains how he accidentally called the police on his dog. We talk Mexican, all inclusive resorts, Oh, Colten talks about his fertility process. He's recently been married and they're trying to conceive a child. And so he talked a little bit about that process, which is quite interesting. and also pretty funny we talked about the controversial 2016 presidential elections with like the Russian manipulation stuff, election fraud, the lies we talked about consciousness and

[00:03:49] And then we had a few, uh, little funded bits, like Colten's most hated human traits. So it's a good show. I hope you enjoy it. We had a bunch of good [00:04:00] shoutouts. Speaking of shout out.

[00:04:03] Amelia Grace Nesbitt: You welcome. That's what I came

[00:04:08] Amelia Grace Nesbitt: I

[00:04:11] Jeff Nesbitt: I just, Why did you do that? she just flipped me off accident. I didn't mean to, she just turned around with a huge smile, said I gave really big hugs and gave me the finger.

[00:04:26] Jeff Nesbitt: was all, it was a good hug. Thank you.

[00:04:44] Jeff Nesbitt: Speaking of shoutouts, shout out to our newest Patreon subscribers.

[00:05:04] Amelia Grace Nesbitt: I know something about you too. What? You love ice

[00:05:09] Amelia Grace Nesbitt: That's what my grandfather

[00:05:15] Amelia Grace Nesbitt: I love ice cream too.

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[00:06:00] So yeah, I hope you guys check that out. If you're interested. If you like RamblebytheRiver.com is free content, you'll probably love all the benefits to come along with the Patreon. So one more time to get there you go to RamblebytheRiver.com dot com. Click the subscribe link at the top of the page.

[00:06:20] If you want to check out that first episode with Colten where things kind of went off the rails, you can go get that on our Patreon. If you have our Patreon already go ahead and check that out.

[00:06:32] you can find RamblebytheRiver.com on social media by searching for RamblebytheRiver.com on Instagram and Facebook and Rambleriverpod on Twitter. We also have a TikTok in the works, so to be continued on that, but we'll see if you wanna check out any of our past episodes.

[00:07:05] In case you missed last week, our guest was Calvin Baze. Calvin's a personal trainer and he came in and we had a discussion about health and fitness and training ideologies. And it was a really good conversation. He's a great guy.

[00:07:36] Like it's a voicemail and I'll put it in the show in the next episode, and so he did, and it turned out really nice.

[00:07:49] Calvin Baze: One thing that I think is really cool to think about since I've been reflecting more, a lot about my life , is how my mom raised me and [00:08:00] my mom literally let me do whatever I wanted. As I grew up throughout high school, middle school soon, I got my car. If I wanted to drive to California, I could drive to California.

[00:08:32] It was pretty cool. We don't, we don't often talk about how we appreciate each other. So it is just really cool to. To do that with someone who I don't get to do that too much with. And I, I think it's important for her to know how much she's done for me, even though she maybe felt like she didn't do a lot for me because she couldn't help me too much financially.

[00:09:13] That they're not essentially that they're not capable. and to me to watch that, it, it didn't feel very great. But as a kid, I'm, I didn't under, I didn't understand. I didn't, I didn't speak up, you know, even though it wasn't right, but it was, it was just a really interesting experience growing up. And Mickey Frace was huge for me growing up, she made a lot of big decisions behind closed doors that I never knew about until I got older.

[00:09:54] it is all interesting to me. When I, when I got to high school, you know, I, I had injuries and the [00:10:00] Herrels really took me outta the wing and taught me a lot about life, Ron and Karen and Tim Harold. They, they taught me a lot about life. I mean, Ron. Ron is hilarious.

[00:10:27] And I want the difference between my wants and my needs, but I would say with. With what's currently going on in my life. With the internship, it's really, really cool to be down here and getting to work with all the kids within the community. Because I remember when I was a kid, you know, thinking back from, I guess you could say thinking back from now, not what I knew when I was a kid is how important training is for, for someone mentally and physically, how important it's for younger kids to become mentally stronger in terms of stress.

[00:11:14] I, I couldn't explain how much they've done for me. I, I think I started going there when I was about 16 years old After my knee injury in basketball and they've always opened the doors for me. They've always been really nice. It took a long time to gain, gain trust from Rob. Um, at least I think it did.

[00:11:56] So I'm really thankful for all that. And [00:12:00] all my friends who, you know, grew up with me.

[00:12:12] Jeff Nesbitt: From one op kid to another. Thank you so much, Calvin for being such a great guest and good luck on your future endeavors. We hope you come back and visit us again sometime. The podcast studio has been really busy lately. I've just been packed full of interviews. We had a first here at RamblebytheRiver.com. We had a musical guest. I mean, we did also do musical guests before if you count when me and Colby Kirby rapped, but this guy was a professional.

[00:12:57] Check him out on Spotify or social [00:13:00] media.

[00:13:19] We still the CJ Hawkinson episode coming up that one's fun. And then coming up in a couple weeks, we have Ned heaven, rich member of the band brown meet flats.

[00:13:35] and this Sunday, I'll be interviewing rose Gerber of rose, Gerber, and sweet relief. rose, Gerber, and sweet relief will be performing locally and she agreed to stop by and do a podcast with me. So that's gonna be. big things, big things, lots of stuff happening.

[00:00:00] Colten Chalker: I just wanna have fun.

[00:00:05] Colten Chalker: Me too.

[00:00:11] Colten Chalker: Well, I probably laughed a bunch in it

[00:00:16] Okay. Say the pledge of allegiance.

[00:00:25] Jeff Nesbitt: Keep going, or we say whatever you want. I just need your to talk.

[00:00:33] Jeff Nesbitt: I just took a D you need or sing Lizzo.

[00:00:39] Colten Chalker: Mm .

[00:00:45] Colten Chalker: Uh, it started good.

[00:00:51] Colten Chalker: I got up, I drank some water and went outside and then I went and laid back down, [00:01:00] fell back asleep and woke up about 10 minutes before I had to leave my house.

[00:01:07] Jeff Nesbitt: there we go. There we go. I left,

[00:01:13] Jeff Nesbitt: Okay. Uh, well, so Colten, welcome back once again to Ram by the river. let's just give the audience a little backstory. This is our second time doing this podcast because the first time, while it did end up to be a good show, it wasn't exactly what we had set out to make.

[00:01:35] Colten Chalker: Sounds great. Is that, is that accurate? Yeah, that, that is accurate. Thank, thank you. Uh, Jeff

[00:01:51] So go to Ram by the river.com, click subscribe at the top of the page and it'll take you right to Patreon and you can click a subscription tier and have access to [00:02:00] all that bonus content. Anyway, let's get to the show. thank you so much for coming.

[00:02:06] Colten Chalker: Cheers. Thanks for the whiskey, man.

[00:02:30] and I went the liquor store and got like a, went to the fancy, what I thought there was a fancy section and I spent 50 bucks. I thought that, you know, that's a decent, decent bottle. And, um, we tried it and CJ pulled out his in there, like over a hundred dollars a piece. And he brought three bottles.

[00:02:55] Colten Chalker: Thank you for the whiskey. Typically, the guests is supposed to bring [00:03:00]

[00:03:10] Colten Chalker: I notice that Joe Rogan's guests always bring.

[00:03:17] Jeff Nesbitt: kind of liquor or some gadget or some kind of a art piece or something. They, Sorry about any noise in the background we're working on the set. It seems

[00:03:29] Colten Chalker: though. It does seem

[00:03:37] Yeah. Did I take the remote

[00:03:46] Colten Chalker: I just checked it down. Thank you.

[00:03:51] Colten Chalker: All back in action.

[00:04:15] Even just saying this right now will make me want to post it more. Can,

[00:04:20] Jeff Nesbitt: Spotify? I don't know how to do that. I, some podcasts do and some don't, I haven't looked into it yet.

[00:04:28] Jeff Nesbitt: I wonder, I bet you it's a lot harder for them or like, it cost more costly cuz of all the, I mean, video is very heavy.

[00:04:42] Colten Chalker: I watch the dark horse I watch.

[00:04:54] Colten Chalker: Harvey? Oh, Harvey. No, you're not still following him.

[00:05:01] Jeff Nesbitt: you don't get, you don't get Harvey's tweets. Nope. Nope. Uh, who are you

[00:05:08] Jeff Nesbitt: from Harvey. What does that mean? That sounds like a sexual thing. What is that? I thought that isn't, that what he. I don't know much about Harvey Weinstein. I hoping you could explain 'em to me.

[00:05:21] Colten Chalker: Uh

[00:05:35] Colten Chalker: that

[00:05:47] So I apologize. Oh, feel free. Doesn't bother me at all. Last time. It was just like, as late we were both tired, I could tell. So I was just like, ah, we're gonna have to make this a silly one or it's not, it's not [00:06:00] gonna work out. Cause I, I was feeling flat. I could tell you were feeling flat and then, uh, you know, it was .

[00:06:12] Jeff Nesbitt: It was fun. It was a good time. I, I, I don't regret it. I still think it was fun. I enjoyed editing it. I laughed very hard, many, many times, so I think it was worth it. And I think other people like it too. I just, uh, yeah, this ones kind one's needed

[00:06:27] Jeff Nesbitt: on there was, yeah, it was a little too open.

[00:06:32] Colten Chalker: So if you wanna listen to it, subscribe on Patreon, cuz I

[00:06:47] All right. , let's see.

[00:06:53] Colten Chalker: Uh, just a mental list. I was pretty busy all day. Me too. And [00:07:00] just didn't get the chance to. Plus I'm terrible at putting notes down. No worries,

[00:07:14] No. Do you think you'll ever get any? That's kind of funny

[00:07:30] Jeff Nesbitt: wife. Newly we wife. I think it's that? Yeah.

[00:07:38] Jeff Nesbitt: that's, and that's happened since April 9th since the last time you were here for sure.

[00:07:47] Colten Chalker: started dating the the last time I was here.

[00:07:54] Malcom: episode 9 and Episode 59.

[00:08:05] Malcom: Again, that was episode 9 and episode 59. Both available for free at Ramble by the river.com.

[00:08:20] So no. Anyway, uh, you got married. Your wedding was really fun. I was, I was there. I was in the wedding with you. We, uh, had had a

[00:08:41] Uh, yeah. Shout out to uh, Ray and all COLS. They are awesome. They catered the wedding and they did a fantastic job and cooked some pretty awesome tacos. Uh and then, uh, that food was really good. Yeah. And, and shout out to, uh, Liz Hilton because [00:09:00] she helped out tremendously. And she did it out of the kindness of her heart without even asking her to help.

[00:09:23] Oh yeah, yeah,

[00:09:27] Jeff Nesbitt: What was it? What happened? Your pants busted open. Yeah. Um, your genitals fell

[00:09:41] Jeff Nesbitt: so hard to deal with. No, what really.

[00:09:50] and I wanted to wear a belt. So we had to rush back to my house and I had like 20 minutes to get to the venue for pictures. And, my house is [00:10:00] like 10 minutes away. So it was gonna eat up all the time. I had to get my belt and I showed up at my house. I ran inside, I grabbed my belt and I ran back out and Alex Mack was giving me a ride.

[00:10:40] At least

[00:10:57] Colten Chalker: Yeah, well, she, she saved me. [00:11:00] Jeff called her and she was at my wedding, getting it ready and helping with the cooking and stuff. And uh, she ran to her house and I met her there and I ended up being like 15 minutes late. I had to sit up in, in her room, in my boxers while she, while she fixed my pants. Uh, and uh, I comb my hair, put my pants

[00:11:28] It worked out, it was a fun wedding, really fun. It was fun. I always also appreciate it when people have weddings, within walking distance of my home. So I can just. Don't have to worry about the ride. I can drink if I want. And just, and, or, or also, I don't have to wait for my wife, cuz she likes to sometimes be the very last person out of a building.

[00:12:09] What was I talking about?

[00:12:14] Jeff Nesbitt: to your house. Oh yeah, yeah. Cuz I can just walk home whenever I want. I don't have to worry about rides. Yeah. Keep

[00:12:28] Jeff Nesbitt: escape plan.

[00:12:49] Colten Chalker: Oh yeah. Can you tell us about that? I did not call the cops on my dog. Well, who did? Um,

[00:13:01] Colten Chalker: Well, her and our other dog Buffy were fighting over a raw hide and it was bedtime and I was trying to get to bed and they were fighting out in the yard

[00:13:31] Jeff Nesbitt: check, check, check. Oh, it sounds great. We're

[00:13:38] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, I have a drink somewhere. What did I do with that right here? I had another one. I like to have a few Topo. Chico. You ever have a Tobo Chico? No. It's like a Mexican mineral water with the spritz of grapefruit. Ooh. You know what they say about the water in Mexico?

[00:14:04] Colten Chalker: they got good resources in Mexico.

[00:14:11] Colten Chalker: Tripped me out. Hmm. When I went to Mexico, what tripped you out? I had just never been outta the country.

[00:14:21] Yeah, they were real nice to me. Guy walked right up to me on the beach and said, Hey man, how you like your cocaine? And I said, let me see it. and get this trash outta my face in front of my wife. You would try to sell me this garbage, get outta my face. And I threw cocaine in this. No, you didn't kicked hand in his face and he ran off.

[00:14:42] Colten Chalker: co well, obviously he didn't, but what if

[00:14:59] Yeah. [00:15:00] I'm just kidding. That didn't happen. What part of it did, right? I'll let you decide which part

[00:15:11] Jeff Nesbitt: I didn't do that part. That was the fake part. Oh, what I did really was like, no, thank you. And then I went on with my life.

[00:15:21] Jeff Nesbitt: But the, the fact that they were trying to sell cocaine on the beach, I thought was very convenient for, I mean, for Coke people.

[00:15:44] It looked like it. He probably had to crush it up a little bit to your liking.

[00:15:51] Jeff Nesbitt: out. Did you go to an all inclusive? All inclusive. Yeah. That's fancy people not great. What do you mean?

[00:16:19] They're pouring you drinks. They're giving you pan cottas, you know? Ooh. Quiles I love whatever you want, buddy, whatever you want. Okay. That's all inclusive. Okay. Okay. It's the way to do it.

[00:16:43] They'res all over the place. And, uh, people trying to sell you drugs on every corner.

[00:16:57] Colten Chalker: Nope. Nope. They sell, they [00:17:00] sold, you know, little

[00:17:06] Uh, Colten was calling so many women bitches in the other, in the lost episode of the podcast. No, I idea. That's probably why we Had to shelve it. Did I, it was too provocative. I just couldn't handle it. I couldn't allow him to do that. Not on my platform. I don't, I try not to give a voice to people like that.

[00:17:44] No. So it's only people who are like, I don't know, this guy sometimes says funny shit. Maybe they said some funny shit. Maybe it'll entertain me for two hours while I work. Those are the people who pay. That's good. So you could say if you're just, it's like it takes, it makes, I mean, it's comedy. I [00:18:00] I'm, I'm like hesitant to even use that term because it's so.

[00:18:31] Yeah, you did. , but it was too bad. I couldn't, I, I pushed it too hard cuz I like stuff that would make you laugh because you know, me might really offend other people and my in a way that I don't really wanna do. , so that's why we have to redo it. I'm sorry guys.

[00:18:50] Jeff Nesbitt: ring, I actually even cut that out before , before I, uh, decided to cut the whole [00:19:00] thing.

[00:19:18] Colten Chalker: conspiracy

[00:19:24] Very powerful people. So we had a few questions in the, uh, the loss episode that we're not gonna cover because they were really meant for Calvin's interview. Right. Um, which we, we explained. Um, so we tried to repurpose those and I think we did a good job. I think it worked. Yeah. I think it worked,

[00:19:47] Colten Chalker: yeah. no, I, I don't really consider getting a tattoo, but never Hannah and I were talking about getting tattoos and, uh, I might have been a little [00:20:00] inebriated. And, uh, I just told her, you know, aside from, I love Hannah Chalker, somewhere on my body, I'd get a Bitcoin tattoo.

[00:20:13] Jeff Nesbitt: That is funny might make your rich one day. So the tattoo who's laughing now, or the Bitcoin, the Bitcoin, which is symbolized by the, tattoo, which like your commitment to it. You're a hard liner, right? Yeah. Right. So how, how are you liking the fact that Bitcoin's doing a little bounce right now?

[00:20:33] Colten Chalker: it's neither here nor there. I don't really pay much attention to it right now.

[00:20:44] Colten Chalker: for a very long time. Me too. It's worked out very well.

[00:21:04] Uh, anyway, I'm tired of talking about Bitcoin. I'm so glad I, I almost started a Bitcoin podcast or a crypto podcast. Oh really? I just didn't because it was, I don't know. I didn't wanna talk about the same thing all time. You're tired of it. I just get tired of everything. Yeah. There's never been a thing I didn't get tired of.

[00:21:40] It feels like September 12th, 2001. Well,

[00:21:47] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. But it seems like more than normal. I

[00:22:07] Jeff Nesbitt: What did you mean when you said America's back bitch. Did I

[00:22:14] Jeff Nesbitt: what did you mean by that? Wait, when

[00:22:23] Jeff Nesbitt: so Hannah said in episode. I'll put that in later,

[00:22:32] Jeff Nesbitt: yes. That you were gonna pursue trying to reproduce human style. She mentioned that she underwent a allegation procedure, also known as having your tubes tied. We covered this in the lost episode, but it was very clumsy.

[00:23:06] Colten Chalker: uh, yeah, we, we had a reversal procedure done.

[00:23:36] I'm not exactly sure how it works, but, yeah. So, but then we found out that Hannah was a very good candidate for reversal based on our health and her fertility. And so I had to take a fertility

[00:24:00] Colten Chalker: Yep. Those were the two options we decided on in vitro first, cuz we figured it would be the most likely to be a success, even though it's more expensive. And once we got into it, we realized, you know, all the shots that Hannah would have to take. It just, it seemed like a very uncomfortable. Route to take.

[00:24:29] Jeff Nesbitt: And then, so they flipped it and yep. They gave her the old flip and snip

[00:24:35] Jeff Nesbitt: snip, and flip, and so reversal. how long did it take her to heal from that? Probably not long.

[00:24:40] Colten Chalker: Couple weeks. Yeah. She, she was feeling pretty much a hundred percent after a week. Although the doctor said that she couldn't run or do any heavy activity for three

[00:24:58] Colten Chalker: running? Oh [00:25:00] yeah. She started running after about a week after about 10 days, but it turned out really great.

[00:25:15] Jeff Nesbitt: So did they have pornography magazines on a rack in there? I didn't, I didn't even wanna look. Well, I know you didn't wanna look, but you didn't see that disgusting rack sitting over there.

[00:25:35] Colten Chalker: it was a

[00:25:39] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Lock, locking door.

[00:25:45] He put his finger in his butt.

[00:25:49] Jeff Nesbitt: Jack off. That's a real thing. You ever heard of project midnight climax? No. do you want to no. Yeah. Yeah. Project midnight. Climax [00:26:00] was a CIA operation where they dosed John's like, do you know what a John is not a toilet? Another name.

[00:26:28] Doing crazy things with hookers. just to study 'em just to study 'em and see what they did. And can you imagine the shit they got? Yeah, no shit. That'd be cool. I would love to see those documents. Me too. but not, not really. Actually it sounds actually really gross. I bet it would be horrifying. I bet it would not be sexy or funny at all.

[00:26:59] Colten Chalker: did [00:27:00] he, was he aware of all this

[00:27:16] Oh, and most likely two thousands. Yeah. Yeah. Most likely they did finally close that clinic where they were given out the acid on the hate Ashbury district. Oh, in like 2014, 2014. it? It was way more recently, maybe even more recently than that, but it closed when that book chaos by Tom O'Neil, Tom O'Neil.

[00:28:04] You love. It's a good one. Really? Yeah, it's real. It took the guy 20 years to write it. It started as a, an article for some magazine that, and the magazine actually went under and the guy just kept doing it. It took him so long. It was supposed to take him a year at the max and it just, he just kept finding more shit and more shit and getting deeper and deeper and figuring out like, oh my God, uncovering layer.

[00:28:41] Colten Chalker: book. I have a lot of respect for conspiracy theorist.

[00:29:04] Because it's worse for society. You think so? Yeah. I think there's at least a benefit with social order. Like say what you will about totalitarian governments, but they function, like people may be miserable and the human rights violations and horrible shit. But as far on, on the grand scale, some of those metrics like shit functions.

[00:29:39] Fundamentally, but I'm not either of those things. Right. But I'm just saying I'm closer to that than the other.

[00:29:46] Jeff Nesbitt: hetero docs. I'm actually very moderate. Right. I'm just, I'm very, um, same in the middle on everything. I want there to be a middle so that people can reside there.

[00:30:08] Colten Chalker: It's almost like social media is given the crazy fucks a more of a voice, cuz they're louder.

[00:30:17] Do you mind? Yeah.

[00:30:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Tell me how I look.

[00:30:27] Jeff Nesbitt: thighs? It looks great. No, your thighs are not visible.

[00:30:33] Jeff Nesbitt: good.

[00:30:37] Colten Chalker: Is that the 13 pro

[00:30:48] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Trying to dial it down. How

[00:30:55] Colten Chalker: So I'm gonna change it this time.

[00:31:04] Colten Chalker: I just get little more space, huh?

[00:31:16] Colten Chalker: get space up here for like a, a foursome

[00:31:20] Yeah. I mean, we, we could probably do it just more mics. You could record down there too. Yeah. I have enough mics. Nice. I definitely, I have enough to do like a ton of people. You could do a podcast with a bunch of people. If everyone just, , plugged a mic into their phone, recorded their own track. And then you just layer all those tracks together.

[00:31:55] Colten Chalker: just headphones?

[00:31:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:32:00] Absolutely. A lot of people do. Oh, nice. Not, not a lot of people for podcasts, but um, that's like the main thing people do for TikTok. Oh, is they use like a headphone mic or a streaming mic?

[00:32:18] Jeff Nesbitt: Sounds like you do. Do I? Well, have you made that statement?

[00:32:27] Colten Chalker: No

[00:32:30] Colten Chalker: is back bitch.

[00:32:33] Did I say that on the 4th of July? Let's just assume I did. Uh,

[00:32:40] I just thought it was funny. Ah, I don't think it's gone anywhere. Do you think that America's here? Well, I mean, with all these new American flags around, you know, maybe we got something going, I have felt a very negative vibe from Americans towards America. The last, I don't know, probably since 2016. Yeah.

[00:33:01] Colten Chalker: Yeah. God, I Ms. Obama. He was cool. He was cool. He was cool.

[00:33:20] Colten Chalker: Yeah, he, he probably did

[00:33:22] Well, most, certainly most certainly Colten on behalf of you.

[00:33:29] Jeff Nesbitt: freedom. And that's a good thing he did.

[00:33:40] Jeff Nesbitt: W. Bush. The painter. Oh yeah. He paints all those, uh, wounded veterans that he sent to die.

[00:34:11] It was Bush wasn't really, even in charge. In fact, will Ferrell dressed as Bush had more authority.

[00:34:20] Jeff Nesbitt: least we were pretty young for, we were young. Yeah. I had my figure on the pulse. Yeah. I was planning this podcast. How do you think it got so good?

[00:34:28] You know exactly right, exactly. Did a good job. You you're pretty wise kid. Thank you. And in tuned with,

[00:34:45] Colten Chalker: say the terror state, our freedom. He said a

[00:34:52] Do you remember the things Mel? Oh, Disneyland was one of them. We covered Disneyland pretty thoroughly though. Yeah.

[00:35:03] Jeff Nesbitt: the last podcast, yes. We talked about Disneyland and the last podcast, I got to

[00:35:12] Jeff Nesbitt: fun.

[00:35:26] Colten Chalker: I thought it was pretty amazing that just all that the kids were willing to ride all the freaking rides.

[00:35:37] When,

[00:35:47] Jeff Nesbitt: I was too afraid. Didn't wanna go to space or climb any mountains at eight. I did eight year olds. Can't climb

[00:35:53] Jeff Nesbitt: Not really. You don't think space is fake?

[00:36:01] Colten Chalker: no.

[00:36:22] Right. I like that idea how the moon would just like get hit and just like splash off and make its own thing. But then it turns round because it spinning and it's pulling it to the tight to the center pull in. Yeah. That makes sense to me. Yeah. Swirling shit, turn, you know, it's eventually gonna hit the center and get round because that's how it is.

[00:36:57] Colten Chalker: What do you think is [00:37:00] the, uh, cause of all the new sightings?

[00:37:17] Colten Chalker: I think so. I think it might be a drone.

[00:37:28] All of a sudden, right. It may have existed forever. It may not really exist now, who knows. But the fact that they're showing us all this means they're doing that in a calculated way. That's that shit doesn't just happen randomly because oh, this happened to be what happened in the world today. So that's what we're gonna show you.

[00:37:55] Colten Chalker: like when a mass shooting occurs, then they [00:38:00] report every shooting that ever occurs in America. Is that true?

[00:38:05] Jeff Nesbitt: it, dude. I think there's a lot of shootings that occur, with non-white people that do not get reported at all.

[00:38:15] Jeff Nesbitt: time. It's terrible. Okay.

[00:38:35] That's what he got in trouble for. Yeah, he did. That's not what I'm trying to do. But what I'm saying is that there's a ton of power in gathering people around a social cause and people who are in power or in positions of authority and need to unite people. They might use those tools and try to do some kind of a evil calculation cost [00:39:00] benefit analysis.

[00:39:16] Colten Chalker: Yeah. It's an eerie feeling. I, I get the feeling that it could happen. I don't wanna believe

[00:39:21] The timing of events with wars, uh, the events leading up to wars, the reasons we got into wars, Gulf for Tonkin, Pearl Harbor, things like that. Right. It's very sketchy. A little too convenient really? Right. When like these things happened September 11th attacks, like all this stuff happened right before we went to war.

[00:39:43] Jeff Nesbitt: pandemic? Oh God. We're not in war yet. oh please. No, God don't. I don't want to go to. . I mean, we're at this day and age, war is different. I don't even know how a war would be fought.

[00:39:59] Jeff Nesbitt: [00:40:00] psychological. Yeah. Maybe we are, maybe it's a new kind of cold war, like a digital cold war.

[00:40:24] The election happened. It's just the rules that were played are not exactly the rules. I think that everybody thinks they are, it's a lot more shady shit going on on every side than people realize there's influence everywhere. And all of it matters. It's not like they can just pick and choose which influence is important.

[00:41:08] Like, why wouldn't you do that?

[00:41:14] Jeff Nesbitt: probably on both sides. Every that's what I'm saying. Every side. I mean, these are the tools that are at their disposal at this time in our history. Right. So they're all gonna be using them.

[00:41:42] But he, he, he lost all of his glory when really. I don't think he should have. No, I don't think so either. I think he was still impressive. He was still like the best among a bunch of super athletes who were all juicing. Right? I don't know. Probably. Yeah. [00:42:00] Yeah. They, they

[00:42:01] Jeff Nesbitt: but I, I just, well established you couldn't compete.

[00:42:10] Colten Chalker: Unless you were just like genetically.

[00:42:24] The guy worked his whole life to be like that. And then he took those band substances on top of it to get to the pinnacle. It's just the icing on the cake. Right. It's just like, it does not take away all that hard work he put in. Doesn't take away the fact that he still won all those races and it was not easy.

[00:42:59] Colten Chalker: [00:43:00] Yeah. And, and I like, wasn't he trying to avoid injury?

[00:43:08] Jeff Nesbitt: he was, he was trying to win trophies and, Kick ass, you know? Yeah. He was trying to be the best. So he did, he used all the tools at his disposal and I heard he was a real Dick about it too.

[00:43:21] Jeff Nesbitt: wasn't isn't there a documentary, you know what?

[00:43:38] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Like if you're not nice, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to get on or, you know, help you out.

[00:43:44] Jeff Nesbitt: fucking Dick or yeah, just like, I, I don't like to deal with people who are mean or rude or, or just like entitled. Oh, that's the worst one. What's your least favorite trait in a human being self pity, self pity. Huh? That's a tough one. [00:44:00] That's a tough one. Cuz boy. Why, why self pity?

[00:44:07] It is, you know, it's. Y people will go through all kinds of shit and they go through all kinds of hell. Like everyone has problems that they face and they're different than everyone else's. Uh, but to feel sorry for yourself as a result of them, that just doesn't make sense.

[00:44:34] Like when you're alone, can, can a person have self pity when they're by themselves or if they do, is it still as load some? Yes. So it's not about the attention from other people? Not always. No. It's about yourself. It's within.

[00:44:52] Jeff Nesbitt: you know, do you think that's why you dislike it in others?

[00:44:58] Colten Chalker: Yeah. I mean, I dislike [00:45:00] it in myself too. I think it's a natural emotion that everyone has,

[00:45:13] And so I've been trying to pay attention to that. I

[00:45:19] Jeff Nesbitt: And I, so the things that I hate are people who are unaware that they're wasting other people's time. That's something that just fucking kills me. Like when two people like the checker and will say an elderly client at a small town grocery store, the guy comes through cart fully loaded with small items, small items.

[00:46:02] Like, is this guy a Dick? Is he cool? Um, and you smile and you're like, uh, you give the old, like, don't worry about it. Thing. Like I'm only on my lunch break. And then, uh, after he's rung up, he's holding the fucking receipt and he stands there and starts talking about his daughter. They have a conversation I want to, I want to explode.

[00:46:51] He just won't stop talking. Nobody has cared for such a long time and he's still going. I worry about that. And I don't really think [00:47:00] about it. It's just like, especially with the podcast, I'm like, I have to talk. This is part of the gig. Yeah. And, but I still feel that I'm like, oh God, people are probably so sick of listening to me.

[00:47:31] So like, if I'm in a good mood, I think the podcast is so good. right. And if I'm in a bad mood, I'm like, this is I will, I can't release this. This is trash. I should just throw this away and probably kill myself too.

[00:47:49] Uh, and I'm not gonna say what, but, uh, I

[00:48:07] It's why would I know what people like, I don't like what people like. Right. So why would I assume to know what people like? I, I should just , make what I wanna make and not worry about it.

[00:48:22] Jeff Nesbitt: Just enjoy it. So far, I have, I, I wasn't for a little while and it was, I was just overthinking everything.

[00:48:33] Just cuz I had gotten so overwhelmed with the, the communicating, with communicating with people like just constantly having to manage the stress. Multiple conversations open at the same time, too many open tabs in my head couldn't manage it. Um, I just eventually was just like, I need to take a break and I just stopped doing it.

[00:49:05] Colten Chalker: of work. Yeah. And you got your own job. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean, if I ever come across interesting people that I think would be great on your show, I'll nudge your way.

[00:49:18] Jeff Nesbitt: about them. Yeah. I appreciate that. I like, I like interesting people. Me too. the main thing is I have to actually be interested. I can't pretend. Like I have to the very least think there's something about this person. I find interesting. Like I have to really care.

[00:49:37] Jeff Nesbitt: I'm interested in you be interested in, I I'm interested in you.

[00:50:01] I don't know. You know? Yeah. There are things I've said to you that if I would've said to anybody else, podcast would be over. Like they would leave. Right. I mean, there's no way. And, um,

[00:50:16] Jeff Nesbitt: offensive, or really, even if somebody else that you didn't know had said it to you, you'd be like, what the fuck?

[00:50:45] It goes by a lot faster too.

[00:50:51] Jeff Nesbitt: day. Yeah. And just talk and laugh, except for

[00:50:56] Jeff Nesbitt: not talk. There was lots of those. I mean, me. [00:51:00] I'm more of an observer than a talker anyway. Yeah, me too. Would you consider yourself to be more like in general, more extroverted or more introverted?

[00:51:10] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:51:14] Colten Chalker: extroverted when you want be I an am ambivert or whatever

[00:51:30] Like I can be extroverted, right. Like when I started a podcast, I might, I must want something of my interaction with the world, like to be public. But, um, I, I feel so strongly towards the introverted side. It's like, not even close.

[00:51:52] I don't either. That gives me

[00:51:56] Colten Chalker: Then if I do comment, I get blocked. [00:52:00]

[00:52:04] Colten Chalker: Oh,

[00:52:19] Yeah. And me

[00:52:28] Jeff Nesbitt: Felicia. I felt bad about it really well. It's okay to disagree with people, Colten. I, I don't think you did anything mean I don't. I have a hard time believing that you were mean, I didn't read the comment, but did you get blocked by the social media site or by her?

[00:52:48] Colten Chalker: She's like, ah, I don't like what he thinks

[00:52:53] Colten Chalker: Yeah, I think she probably thought I was

[00:52:58] She's curating a page. She's [00:53:00] trying to make a point. I get it. That's

[00:53:02] Jeff Nesbitt: I agree. You're messing up the flow Uhhuh. I agree. I get

[00:53:12] Jeff Nesbitt: And people don't like that. All I want to do is make people think more.

[00:53:37] They're things like my fundamental principles are like. Always challenge. Everything never fully commit to an idea. Like, don't be an idea. Don't be your thoughts. Don't be your feelings. Just let 'em flow through you. And like, you can identify with them at the time, but don't let that own you. Right. Don't let it control you.

[00:54:08] And it can encompass both of those. Right. What shame? I think we all need to broaden a little

[00:54:22] Jeff Nesbitt: except for the smartest people. They're the least certain of all that should tell everybody something. Yeah.

[00:54:30] Jeff Nesbitt: you know, I don't know which quote,

[00:54:38] The people who are known, nothing are full of like are, are loud and obnoxious and certain, and something about people that, uh,

[00:55:03] Colten Chalker: Harari, no yal Harari. No, no, this was a,

[00:55:08] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Older. I think it's like, oh shit. I

[00:55:21] Colten Chalker: And they're

[00:55:45] Colten Chalker: to,

[00:55:48] Yeah. It can be both. It can be both at the same time. Right. Where you feel liberated and at the same time kind of terrified. I kind of feel like that all the time. Yeah, me too. Like, just to know that, like, this is also [00:56:00] just temporary and quick and we're lucky to be here, but at the same time, like my foot hurts and I don't wanna sit in traffic.

[00:56:28] Colten Chalker: Yeah, I think I do too.

[00:56:53] I don't know though. It's pretty easy to also just think that like when we die, [00:57:00] our consciousness turns off and it's done. Like, do you believe that consciousness is emergent from biology? Like that our, our ability to perceive experience comes from the, just the coalescence of all of our different bioelectrical

[00:57:16] Um, yes, I do. I do believe that,

[00:57:21] Colten Chalker: know. There's not evidence for it. I don't know for sure. But I do believe that I, and I don't think that that's, uh, a knock on consciousness on

[00:57:44] That's like saying like,

[00:57:48] Jeff Nesbitt: I mean, yeah, exactly. I know what you mean. It's a, you have to define it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you believe in free? Will you have to define it? I, I don't know what that means exactly. [00:58:00] Cuz I, you first you have to define the self. Agency within that context is, is still pretty hard to tease apart because what is a self in isolation doesn't exist?

[00:58:12] Colten Chalker: doesn't, it's an emergent property of nature.

[00:58:40] And, and, and that's, that could absolutely be driven 100% by ego just wanting to exist beyond the parameters of what's been established for me, biologically, just that you, we all have that desire to remain.

[00:58:58] Jeff Nesbitt: I. It [00:59:00] guides our civilization,

[00:59:06] That's what makes us

[00:59:08] Colten Chalker: That's what carries us, making awesome shit. Yeah. And that's what we leave when we die. That's what I,

[00:59:19] Colten Chalker: make, the work we do, you know, the work we do, the changes we make, the

[00:59:26] Especially if you believe that consciousness is primary to reality, like quantum mechanics, that the observer is the creator simultaneously eerie. Yeah. Very. But I do believe that. Yeah, I do believe that. And that, that one, I just think that's a fun thought because if, if that's true, then there's so much, it, it makes it seem like the simulation is, is where we are.

[01:00:28] And then in this cloud, they're, they're not dense enough to be physical matter. And then what human consciousness does is it brings those objects into density that can be reflected in three dimensions. This is just a, a visual aid in my brain that I, that I can use to like, think about underst how that was quantum wave theory.

[01:01:11] So there, there exists a possibility. It can be a or B when you're not looking it's, it's both and neither. And then when you look, it is either one or the other, right? Yeah. That's like Schrodinger's cat Schrodinger. Yeah. Yeah. When you look is when it becomes the thing. So until then, it's still just exists in possibility.

[01:01:39] Colten Chalker: Yeah. It's not in the box. Yeah.

[01:01:49] So, if quantum mechanics is true, my observation of the cat in the box is what is going to determine whether or not the cat is dead or alive. [01:02:00] It's not that information does not exist outside of human observation, outside of conscious observation. Does that make sense? Yes. So it's just like, if this was a video game, they're not gonna render the dead cat in a box that you can't see.

[01:02:26] Colten Chalker: It's been in there too long,

[01:02:29] You gotta get cat water, your oxygen. I mean, you can't oxygen. Yeah, exactly. That cat's long dead. Yeah, God. But that is all just baggage that we are carrying into that scenario with our experience and our memories. That's not what is actually happening. That's a construction of our brain. Yes. What's really happening is there's nothing in the box.

[01:03:10] That's and that's the way that the Shroer cat, that's how it works. Thing is explained. So that's why quantum mechanics is so confusing. Cuz it sounds untrue. It sounds like there's no way. That's the way it could work, but that's not the way we understand reality. No, it isn't. No, no it isn't. Anyway, we see what is useful.

[01:03:35] Colten Chalker: No. Do you believe in an objective moral

[01:03:46] Colten Chalker: Do you, do you, do you, I think that there needs to be some established objective

[01:04:05] Like there are, like issues with relativism that you have to establish ahead of time, or it's just chaos. Like you can't just say you can't apply broad rules across time and space. It just doesn't make sense. It we'll run into so many problems. Like gimme a rule. That's a moral, a moral objective truth.

[01:04:31] Jeff Nesbitt: man and a woman. Oh, that's a horrible example. Can you please pick something else? it's difficult, huh? Yeah. I don't want to do that one. Can you please pick like, uh, pick like, uh, thou shall not kill thou shall yeah. Biblical with it. Kill. Yeah. Okay. So, or yeah, any one of the 10

[01:04:48] Colten Chalker: Yeah. Thou shall not thou

[01:04:54] Colten Chalker: Um, okay. Don't lie.

[01:05:16] Can a tree lie? It can lie down. it can lie down. Can a dog lie. Uh, so you have to be able to make a statement to, to lie. They can manipulate. They definitely can manipulate a dog. Can pretend to be sad when they're not sad. Yeah. They can. They can pretend. Is it pretending a lie?

[01:05:38] Jeff Nesbitt: I think it's gotta be, if you are with the intent to deceive, that's a lie.

[01:06:02] Colten Chalker: I'll eat it. But then we can just say like, what's li what, what is lie?

[01:06:08] Jeff Nesbitt: lie. Yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[01:06:29] Jeff Nesbitt: anywhere. Otherwise the, the laws of nature will take over.

[01:06:55] Um, you know, don't hurt kids. Don't fuck people who you shouldn't. [01:07:00] Especially if they don't want you to, like, these are rules that can be hard and fast rules applied across pretty damn broad categories. Maybe not. It's hard to, it's hard to say, but it's it's yeah.

[01:07:20] Yeah. As part of the culture? Yeah. Like honor killings, I guess that was recent in, in American history. There's been a time when there were like honor killings, the, uh, Hatfield and McCoys, like that whole feud, the wild west people were killing each other all the time.

[01:07:39] It's an honorable thing

[01:07:43] Colten Chalker: I mean, it is in war too. Same with that. Yeah. And you don't know the person you're killing in a war it's like,

[01:08:01] There are situations where you should. Yeah. How about steal thou shall not steal that. See so far, we're just picking things from the, like the re the Western religious cannon, right. Christianity. but those are probably pretty prominent in other religions too. Like I bet you Muslims, aren't supposed to steal.

[01:08:56] Colten Chalker: reading?

[01:09:00] Yeah. She's okay. So that's my bad, uh, Hindus was correct. Okay. Hindi is, is a language. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you know, now don't steal don't steal. I bet they don't. I bet they don't.

[01:09:20] Jeff Nesbitt: Oh, you're gonna take it. Oh, you're gonna steal it from them, right?

[01:09:26] Jeff Nesbitt: Is that stealing? So where'd they get it? What's why shouldn't they have it?

[01:09:34] Jeff Nesbitt: pornography tape. Okay. They have a porn tape. And why can't they have it? How old are they? Let's

[01:09:41] Jeff Nesbitt: like 10, 11.

[01:10:04] That's

[01:10:09] Jeff Nesbitt: rolling papers and oh, I, his stuff has been good lately. Did you watch that speech? He did. It was like a, a, it was really good except in speech from his, the college Alma mater. Yeah, it was very, very good. He's turned into more than a comedian.

[01:10:25] Colten Chalker: I enjoy listening to him. He's my favorite comedian.

[01:10:44] It's called mom love. I highly recommend it really? Yeah.

[01:10:52] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. A lot of people are putting him out on YouTube nowadays. That's good because norm, uh, what's his name? Uh, not norm Mark Norman. [01:11:00]

[01:11:02] Jeff Nesbitt: He did his, what you would love Mark Norman, who are the comedians you're into these days?

[01:11:08] Colten Chalker: like, well, I'm kind of, I've just been stuck on, uh, Netflix. So,

[01:11:28] He just put out a special and he sold it to a streaming platform. I don't know which one. And they paid him up front. He took the money, made the show and then he gave it to them and they were like, oh geez, we can't, we didn't, we didn't know. You were gonna say things like this. This is we can't no guy, we can't do this.

[01:12:08] I'm not gonna do the link for you, but you guys can find him. If you're interested in really, really good comedy, that's very edgy and fun. Check him out. Did you watch it? I haven't seen it yet. Oh. But I, I, I really supported just on principle. The fact that he's like, no, I still want it.

[01:12:46] right. Yeah. we talked about this in the last episode too, but the Andrew Schultz show we went and saw was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. The hardest I've ever laughed at comedy was hi. Hi, his show. It was very, very funny, [01:13:00] but yeah, so I, I think that people who just kind of say fuck off to the establishment and actually put in the time, put in the work to make something unique and individual, and then they, they want to share it with the world.

[01:13:21] Colten Chalker: he wants to say, say watch it.

[01:13:35] He's not bill O'Reilly right. Like he's a comedian. His job is to surprise you and shock you it's it's not to teach you things or tell you what you're supposed to feel about trans people.

[01:13:51] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. They gotta joke about everything. Anyway.

[01:13:58] Colten Chalker: back to that, we were still talking [01:14:00] about comics. Well,

[01:14:05] Colten Chalker: Oh, I was just, I was trying to separate my dogs from fighting over a piece of raw hide. So I wanted to go to bed. Wait,

[01:14:13] Colten Chalker: Uh, I think it

[01:14:17] Colten Chalker: Yeah. I don't think it was, uh, That kind of raw hat. I fucking

[01:14:24] Colten Chalker: It was the, yeah, don't worry people. I'm not choking my dogs. Uh they, uh, uh, yeah, so Marley went to go grab it and she grabbed my fucking leg instead.

[01:14:44] Jeff Nesbitt: that's the scar? Oh no. Yeah. I mean, it was pretty super,

[01:14:50] Jeff Nesbitt: bad. Was she, she hooked you. It looked pretty nice. Did she feel guilty? Yeah. Yeah. She felt bad.

[01:14:58] Yeah. [01:15:00] Uh, but Hannah and I were gonna go to Vegas and uh, like in like three or four days after that. And I panicked cuz as you know, I get anxiety about ridiculous shit. health stuff. Yeah. Especially health stuff. And, um, I didn't want to deal with a fucking infection while I was in Vegas or rabies or rabies.

[01:15:32] Jeff Nesbitt: uh, I thought dog's mouths were cleaner than humans. I've always heard that. Is that, is that true?

[01:15:39] Jeff Nesbitt: what they do, they do eat a lot of shit in lick assholes. Yeah, they do. It's gross. It's a lot of humans lick assholes too.

[01:15:47] Colten Chalker: Well, the next day I went to fucking instant care uh,

[01:15:54] Colten Chalker: pretty urgent. yeah. Well, I wanted to get some fucking antibiotics to get ahead of it, so [01:16:00] I didn't have to deal with an infection while I was gone for a week and a half in Vegas. Uh, so. I went in and, uh, I told them what happened.

[01:16:14] Jeff Nesbitt: to the police. Oh, so they snitched. Yeah. Yeah. I knew you wouldn't have done that.

[01:16:29] Jeff Nesbitt: So it all worked out. Yeah. It worked out fine. Do you remember the time when they called the sheriff from the hospital?

[01:16:42] Colten Chalker: I was at Alex's house when the cop showed up. Oh

[01:17:10] So we had first, we were just like shooting each other in the back and, you know, I'd occasionally miss and hit him in the butt, but most of the time shooting him in the back and he was shooting me in the back. And, um, you know, we started running around a little bit and then it just escalated from there.

[01:17:51] Like big mounds in, in war. Right. And so we were like running from trailer to trailer and Alex Mack had the two [01:18:00] pistols, the two BB gun pistols and he, so he was running around just like pistol in each hand, double fist in it. Yeah. And, um, Martin had the, the pump pellet gun and he had pumped that bitch at least 10 or 12 times, like really, really pumped it up.

[01:18:41] Now that I think about it, it was lucky. It just hit him in the throat. But, yeah. And then he's like, oh my God. And he like went down and pretended that he was like dying. And then we all like rushed over and he is like, you bastard. And he like got the gun down and he started shooting at Alex Martin.

[01:19:13] Colten Chalker: shooting each other with, uh, BB guns.

[01:19:20] It was just poking up outta the ground dangerously. And we were running and as children do, and he tripped on a loose, uh, bit of rocks and he fell and it poked and punctured his neck in this perfectly round fashion. And my dad was like, okay, well, it looks a lot like a BB gun hole. And, um, If I find out you're lying, you're in big trouble.

[01:20:02] Uh, you could feel a little round lump in there underneath just like half inch below the hole. So it like had shot in there and then pushed down, sliding down his

[01:20:17] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. So we're like, okay, well that's not good. Hopefully it's not like in his throat, but it's lodged in there somewhere. So we, he, his mom took him to the emergency room and they plucked it out of there.

[01:20:48] Colten Chalker: Well, Cody shot Martin in the nose

[01:20:50] Jeff Nesbitt: a, yeah, he got, he got paid back for sure. That probably hurt way worse, little that's like a punch to the face, getting a, a, a paintball ball to [01:21:00] square to the center of his nose, like the tip. So it looked, he looked like Rud off the red nose. Reindeer. Cody also

[01:21:07] From point blank, like 10 feet away with a powerful paintball gun. Cody's a lot of fun. And I was wearing fucking

[01:21:19] Colten Chalker: Oh man. My balls swelled up so bad.

[01:21:31] Yeah. Yeah. Luckily it didn't your fertility's good. Right. As far as I know, right on. Right on you got it checked recently. Yeah.

[01:21:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Good to go. I'm I'm excited for you. I hope that it, it really works out me too, but life is, is good either way, but exactly.

[01:22:06] Colten Chalker: They're big boys.

[01:22:12] They'll be bigger than

[01:22:13] Jeff Nesbitt: they're 12. Yeah. It won't be long they're so like, yeah. They're big kids. Yeah. I

[01:22:24] Jeff Nesbitt: five. He's a giant man. Shout out Nick. Hannah's six foot. Yeah. Yeah. She's shout out Nick. She's a tall woman. Um, what else did we talk about on Melissa's list that she sent us from?

[01:23:01] This couldn't be a real podcast. They would, they really sat here and had this conversation um, which I thought was funny, but I, I just think it, it didn't really fit like the rest of the pod. Cause this podcast, sometimes it's serious. Sometimes it's goofy, but it like goes back and forth and sometimes it switches really fast and you know, but you, you know, when it's not one thing or the other, right.

[01:23:42] Yeah.

[01:23:45] Jeff Nesbitt: anyway. they were so much longer than normal, but it was, it was really late and. I mean, you were tired. I get it. Also, you wanted to sound, contemplative. Yeah. So you were waiting for, you know, 45, 50 seconds for, uh, one word answers. [01:24:00] but I was just glad you're here. Uh, it's good to hang out with friends that episode, by the way, is called stranger.

[01:24:17] Colten Chalker: Yeah, I will

[01:24:28] Charles zer. And in reference to the question, how do we know that we all perceive the same colors you ever had that thought before? Like how do you, how do I know that what I see as green is the same as your green. How do I know that migraine's not your purple? That's a question that I have thought of. I, I remember having that question as a very small child and it, it like tripped me the fuck out.

[01:24:56] Colten Chalker: Um, yeah, kinda. I mean, I've, [01:25:00]

[01:25:14] It's like, well, nothing is the same, color is just one of many things that are different between observer to observer. But

[01:25:23] Jeff Nesbitt: you discuss this? Yeah, so that's, I was excited because I've thought about this question my entire life. And I thought it was an unanswerable question because we can't measure.

[01:25:57] Uh, they were shined into make one [01:26:00] beam of yellow and that yellow beam was then set next to a beam of pure yellow light. That was just pure spectral yellow. So like not a mixture of two primary colors to make yellow, but just spectral yellow, pure yellow. And then participants were asked to go over to a set of dials that were on the red and green side, and then dial them in to match what they perceived, uh, the pure yellow to look like to get it as close to a perfect match between the two beams as possible.

[01:26:49] Colten Chalker: I think

[01:27:08] We pick where the line is. There's never a time when it just switches. This was green and this one's blue. It just gradually changes throughout the spectrum. Right, right. By frequency and wavelength and all that. And

[01:27:21] Jeff Nesbitt: we decide culturally what those colors mean to us. Right. But like I talked about this on a podcast a couple weeks ago, Like the color pink in some cultures is just light red.

[01:27:50] It's tough.

[01:27:56] Jeff Nesbitt: how do you picture them? That's a good point. I can't, you [01:28:00] have to visualize it in some way. Well,

[01:28:07] Jeff Nesbitt: an infrared camera, right? Yeah. Oh, speaking of that, have you been looking at those James web telescope? Ah, amazing pictures.

[01:28:15] Colten Chalker: The Hubble space telescope was amazing to me. And then,

[01:28:38] RGB. Yep. And is that right?

[01:28:44] Jeff Nesbitt: white in there? I think we only have three. There's a oh, CBD. That's nice CBD. I'll love some. Um, but yeah, so that James web camera takes, uh, it, it applies a coding to where it like takes all [01:29:00] this infrared frequency is gonna be compatible with this color. I'm make, I'm doing a bad job of this, but, um, and they code it makes it compatible and just turns it into an image.

[01:29:15] Colten Chalker: Yeah. It's amazing how far they've come with that shit.

[01:29:30] Colten Chalker: actually see past, see the curvature of time. Yeah. Through

[01:29:36] Right.

[01:29:42] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. Time. It's pretty amazing bending around an object that we can't even perceive the object, cuz it's so dense, right. That it bends light and time enough to create a, a visual shield around it. That's fucking nuts.

[01:30:15] That'd be cool. Yeah.

[01:30:47] We don't. Yeah. You know, so like everybody is as an individual perceives things differently, but it's usually something that, you know, it's usually a useful [01:31:00] perception for. It

[01:31:09] Colten Chalker: it's based on the history of our experience and.

[01:31:34] So Americans who colonized it, the white people who couldn't be told what the fuck to do in Britain, the ones who were just like, no, , we're gonna go travel across the ocean in a tiny boat. More than likely we're not gonna make it, we're gonna die probably, but we're willing to risk that in order to pursue the unknown for novelty for a new life, for a better situation, just in case we could improve our, our [01:32:00] situation.

[01:32:20] Like that's, I don't know. I don't know. I don't that doesn't fit in here really, because there's not enough of them around to really know what they're like, um, or how they would've affected our culture. If they had GI been given the, the right opportunity to right. If they blended with, if we didn't, it, it like, I don't wanna say we, but if they hadn't been forcefully eradicated from their lands and just like.

[01:33:12] Right. Like, and more to the native Americans themselves, but also to us more to them. But also to us,

[01:33:34] Jeff Nesbitt: beings to get here. Yeah, I do. I do think that well, the, the evidence would say yes.

[01:33:45] Colten Chalker: mean, it takes a lot of hard work to climb down from the trees and learn to walk upright with, you know yeah.

[01:34:03] Jeff Nesbitt: and we're not quite there yet even. No, I think we still got a long way to go. Yeah, I've got no reason to believe that it won't continue forever. Right. You know, I think that's what, what we are becoming is just like more aware that we are, uh, constantly changing species.

[01:34:44] Well, you think that, that's not the true narrative of what's going on.

[01:34:51] Jeff Nesbitt: One part of it. Yeah. What's a better part.

[01:35:10] And that is very true,

[01:35:28] Right.

[01:35:34] Jeff Nesbitt: Yeah. I'm so tired of, of thinking about it, but it's like, you have to like, as an adult, if you can't, you can't just let shit happen and not pay attention. Yeah. It's very dangerous. Cause it, it does matter. Yeah, it does. I know you said you have to get outta here.

[01:36:12] Oh yeah. That was very, if that would've been anyone else that would've, uh, well, I wouldn't have let that happen. You wouldn't have let that happen. there's no chance, right?

[01:36:24] Jeff Nesbitt: back. Yeah, dude. I really, really appreciate it. And, um, get home and yeah. Do your thing.