The Power of Prayer

This is the first part of the Upper Room Podcast's three-part series on living as disciples of Jesus in Cheadle Parish.

Host and rector George Crowder introduces Ellen Batten and Caroline Salisbury. The episode emphasises the importance of a faithful life marked by three core rhythms: praying, resting, and growing. Ellen and Caroline share their personal journeys of faith, the impact of prayer in their lives, and how communal and individual prayers have guided and supported them through various challenges. The episode highlights narratives of divine intervention and the transformative power of persistent prayer.

00:00 Introduction to the Upper Room Podcast

00:51 Meet Caroline and Ellen

01:22 Caroline's Faith Journey

02:56 Ellen's Faith Journey

10:29 The Power of Prayer

14:45 Persistent Prayer and God's Character

16:14 The Power of 'Your Will Be Done'

17:24 Personal Prayer Practices

18:11 Experiences of God's Guidance

25:37 The Importance of Church Support

26:31 The Struggle and Power of Prayer

30:20 Final Reflections on Faith and Prayer

Welcome to the Upper Room Podcast, a space for deep

conversations about faith, the life of the parish, and

real stories of God at work

This episode is the first of a three part series

about living as disciples of Jesus in Cheadle Parish.

We are wanting to state that a faithful life in Christ is

marked by three core rhythms.

Pray, rest, and grow.

We begin with prayer, and in this conversation, Ellen

Batten and Caroline Salisbury will be sharing their

stories and their insights.

hello and welcome.

it's great to be in the upper room with Caroline.

I'm with Ellen.

Hi, lovely to see you.

I just wanna start off by asking you, first of all,

let me introduce myself.

My name's George Crowder.

I'm,

the rector, whatever that means.

the Parish of Cheadle, church Leader Minister.

and, we've got two churches here.

we St. Marys and St. Cuthberts.

And you are from St. Cuthberts.

Caroline, and you are from St. Mary's.

And so tell us a little bit about your life in

your respective church.

Caroline, could you talk to us first?

Yeah.

So I'm currently warden of St. Cuthberts.

And, I just love St. Cuthbert's.

It's a fantastic church.

They're very caring, and supportive of each other.

We've got lots of people who pull together

and help each other.

but I've not always been from St. Cost, but so I've, in

fact, I actually spent quite a lot of time at St. Mary's.

I grew up in, and my faith really grew

through the yf at St.

Mary's.

tremendous time of, I think a mini revival.

And it was wonderful.

The people who came to faith and how my faith

grew during that time.

So got married at St. Mary's and then moved to

St. Cuthbert's 'cause that's where Rick felt he, should be.

And we've been at St. Cosby's ever since.

I see

you're currently a warden.

It was a battle to run out, isn't it?

yes.

Yeah, yeah, We've had a tough time.

We've had a, the, I spent three years as warden the

last three years a year with the transition from

Mike to Ian Chidlow, Mike Newman, to in Clow, and

then we spent the last two years battling with cancer.

And it's really taken its toll on me.

So I need just to step back a bit and just.

Recover from all of that.

and it's the right time.

I know, prayed about it, it's the right time and someone

else is now gonna step up and take on their own.

yeah.

Might I ask you a little bit more about last

few years in a moment?

just to explain that our warden is quite a senior

role in the church where you're assisting, doesn't

feel like that

in the direction of the church and

watching over us.

Let's hear from Ellen a bit.

Tell us a little bit about your current sort of role

in church and what ha your church life and yeah,

your life as a Christian.

I first trusted in Christ when I was about 15.

I went to a school where we had a headmaster who was

an evangelical Christian, so he invited the Gideons

to come into our school.

And growing up at home, my mom having had

some rather perhaps.

I dunno what the word is.

Fundamental Christian roots didn't want to force us to

believe the Christian message.

And she'd brought a Bible as children, which

I had actually read.

And I really actually loved to read the Bible.

But we didn't go to church as a family.

We didn't pray as a family because I think

my mom didn't want us to feel forced into it.

so at school we were given a New Testament.

The Gideons came into school and we were

given a New Testament.

And in the back of the, little New Testament, we

were readings for every day and also readings for

different circumstances.

And, our school was very mixed.

There was bullying in the school, there was

problems at school.

It was a very big school.

and I began to read this New Testament.

I would particularly read the places where, there was

offering of guidance for different circumstances, and

I found it really helpful.

And then at a certain time I was actually deeply unhappy.

my sister at a young age began to really struggle

with her mental health.

And there were some of the sadnesses in my life and

I really cried out to God.

And I just said to him, if you are there, please help me.

And all I can describe is this feeling of warmth and

love around me, and the being the presence of God there.

And the verse I read in that little New

Testament and Psalms.

Was from Psalm 30, and it says that his weeping

may last for a night, but joy comes in the morning.

And that was the first verse that ever really

touched my heart.

And I thought that was so special.

now Caroline spoken of a mini revival.

I had the joyful privilege of living on the same road.

Of the rector who was over the yf where when we were in yf.

And I think this has encouraged me

in my prayer life.

I'm absolutely sure now.

He was probably praying for his neighbors and

the people in the road.

And with another school friend, we just decided

that we would start coming along to St.

Mary's and that was really the start of my faith

journey, being with other young people, hearing.

Teaching from the Bible.

it was quite amazing, wasn't it?

We used to pray or pray together on a Friday night.

Yeah, I remember it and it was just a such a special time.

And even friends I have still have now who've left

the faith or who don't go to church anymore, we'll all say

that it was a special time.

Yeah.

And it kept them from things that would've done harm.

Yeah.

I I thank the Lord, and I think now over the years,

I'm just gonna see if I can find that verse.

I, still turn back to it because now of course it means

even more because it says for his anger, last Sonia moment.

But his favor lasts a lifetime.

Weeping may remain for a night, but rejoicing

comes in the morning and having now known and with.

His help followed the Lord for several decades.

I can say his favor lasts a lifetime and, it's a

mystery of his grace.

And the older you get, the more you know it's just him.

Oh, it's absolutely true and not you.

Yeah.

there was one time where, and you won't know this

George, but we were, planning a, outreach.

So we were trying to reach.

Into the schools.

And so we planned, and this is with Andy Hawthorne leading,

the, the organization.

So we planned a concert at Mosley School, which was

then the boys school at the time where currently,

which Daniels is now.

But it was the Boy Scout.

And but we planned this concept.

We've got a band from.

YF and we are gonna have this concert.

And we prayed and prayed about it.

we trust in God.

We prayed, as Ellen said, we prayed a lot and, oh my word.

We got there and it was absolute bedlam.

There were, chairs being thrown and there were people

who went, who weren't, really responding at all.

And, we thought, nevermind, we'll press on.

We've got Andy's going to give a message and

everything, and then suddenly the lights went out.

All the power went and we were like, Lord,

what are you doing?

We've prayed about this.

We've trusted you.

Why is it all going wrong?

Why are the kids throwing chairs?

Why have we suddenly lost power?

Why is, and then, the kids started to go home

then, and they started to.

Disappear.

and a core group remained and then the lights came on again,

and the power came on again.

That was brilliant.

We only realized later, I think it was the next

day, that the people who were there had planned a

massive fight between that school and a neighboring

school, and it was all gonna happen during this concert.

But the fact that the lights had gone out had

just dispelled everything.

People had gone home and it never happened.

God works in amazing ways.

Even when you pray things, they don't happen exactly the

way you expect them to happen.

It is, it really is incredible the way that, God steps

in and does things, in a way that you can't always

see why he is doing it.

So you both found your way to faith through

some sort of contact with yf?

Yeah, with St. Mary's, I think, yeah, it was what

nourish our, wasn't it?

Yeah, definitely gave, helped to Screw Faith came.

Yeah.

I came to

faith through that.

I remember going to, I went to a university interview

and I met a Christian there and I was really struck

by how much he loved God.

He just came across that he was very open about how he

loved God, and I thought, gosh, I wanna be able to.

To, yeah, I'd got, I thought I had a faith, so I thought

I wanna go and talk to somebody in the way he did,

show, how much he loved God.

And so I prayed for an opportunity and I said, Lord,

if, you are there, like you were saying, if you are there,

can you give me an opportunity to talk to someone?

And I was going to a party that evening and I

was wearing a cross that my mother had given me.

And somebody came across the room and said to me, why

are you wearing that cross?

It was amazing.

I just, and it just, it was like a thunderbolt

that just struck me.

God is there.

He's there.

He actually hears, listens and answers prayer.

I was just blown away and then, I started going to, was

that quite early in your Christian life

that you decided that

I must have been about 20, I think.

Yeah.

But it was, yeah, that was a real turning point.

So that was a

big moment for you.

Just think actually God is right there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He is with me all the time.

Yeah.

And I can pray for stuff and it will happen.

I wouldn't have gone to er say

with me all the time.

I knew nothing.

All I knew was that he'd heard my prayer and answered

it, and I was just thrilled.

And then from then I realized that I actually knew

nothing about faith at all.

So I started then going to, I actually went to confirmation

classes, although I didn't get con affirmed, but I

just wanted, I was just hungry to know more about

what this faith was about.

But yeah, it was, quite amazing.

So

both of you in your journey started with a prayer

being, Being instrumental in you discovering God.

You cried out.

I think it's a lot of people might say they had that sort

of, if you're really there.

but then that verse that you had in your Gideon's

Bible Connected with you.

You prayed for an opportunity to connect with somebody who

was a Christian and it just happened an extraordinary way.

It was, and

I think, to be honest, my, journey

to Faith started a lot earlier than that.

I was, I lived in Canada for a couple of years, didn't

I've thought about, and there was one day on the

school bus and we sat on the school bus, waiting to leave

and the windows weren't, 'cause it was very warm.

And I heard somebody outside the bus saying, having

a conversation saying to somebody else, you have to

accept Jesus into your heart.

If you want, to have a faith and yet, and I've

never heard that before.

I'd only ever heard, you go to church and that's, the way

that good people do things and I'd never heard that

in, so I went home and that when I got home, I prayed.

I dunno if I've ever asked you into my heart, but I am

going to ask you into my heart

now.

And I did that night.

Now that changed nothing in my life.

I, it, and I didn't change at all until, and I think God

had guided me then to come to Chile and then that then

prompted, a faith, and God then really worked in my life.

But it took a while.

I think everyone's journey is different and sometimes

it can be instant and sometimes it can take a long

time.

And, I think this is what we're learning

again, actually, the church is the power.

Of corporate prayer, people praying together, the

church praying together.

Just as I said, I'm sure probably the rector who lived

on our road at that time was praying for his congregation

and praying for his neighbors.

We are now praying for our community, our churches,

the neighborhood, and interesting to me.

That some of the young people that have been

coming to church live near me in Edgeley.

And I took a back step from doing it ASRA at

work, so I could pray more for my neighborhood.

And sometimes you don't feel anything, you don't.

Yeah.

You don't think there's a change and yet there

is, and I'm sure people were praying for us.

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah.

before we even, knew it.

Yeah.

and it's a deep mystery, but I think that's why

Jesus says you should always pray and never give up.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because you just don't know.

and you don't know how things would be without prayer.

You just can't measure that.

And, people who, who sort of rail against God and say,

God doesn't exist because of all the suffering in

the world and all the, all the things that go wrong.

They say that proves God isn't there and that prayers

are unanswered, but so many people are faithful in prayer

and turn the tide in really horrible circumstances.

Oh yeah, possibly.

Yeah.

Some of it we hear and some of we, we never hear, we

won't know till heaven, but prayer does work.

yeah, for sure.

Whereas I use that PrayerMate app.

And I find that really helpful.

It's not for everyone, but for me it really works.

And so for a number of people, I've got a list,

I've got like a prayer card of little things that I'm

praying for that person.

And it is absolutely amazing, Ellen, when I look at what I'm

praying for, how many of those prayers have been answered?

And, not instantly.

it's over time.

I suddenly thought, oh, I, was praying about that.

And that's changed and God has worked.

Yes.

and God has answered that I was praying for that for them.

And that's, I can knock it off the list now I can

knock it off the list.

And, slowly not every prayer is answered.

Some things I'm still praying for.

And some things, I think are gonna be a long time

being answered, but it is amazing how God, you keep

praying, keep being faithful, keep bringing it to God.

the, the widow who, kept going to the judge and

kept going them Yeah.

Never gave up.

And I think we need to do that in prayer.

Yeah.

And if we don't see an answer, keep praying.

Yeah.

And God will, work for sure.

Yeah.

And I love that parable because the point of

it is the character of God.

The God is not someone who just says stuff.

He is someone who delivers.

Yeah.

And God is always there.

And God never gives up on his plan.

That's what God is like.

So that's why we can keep being persistent

in prayer 'cause we can trust that He He will.

And, I'm sure you've had experiences of, growing

closer to God and realizing something more about him

as you've lived your life.

Is, there a particular thing that comes to your mind

when I say that as you kind.

I know this about God, I learned so much about him

because that happened and as I prayed through it, is there

a particular thing that comes to your mind in that respect?

The thing that about I'm, really, I dunno about

learning, but I'm really, I.

dwelling on at the moment is I pray the Lord's Prayer in the

morning, but not as a form, not, just reciting it, but I

start off every morning with our father and it's just such

a wonderful that sometimes I go no further than that.

It's just such a lovely way to start the day.

My father, I'm coming to you.

My father and you know it.

You know everything about me.

all my troubles, my challenges, you know

what's going on.

my.

My needs, where I'm at and just to let the world just

filter away for a little bit.

And just, my father come to my father, he loves

me, he cares for me.

He's working things out.

Even if I can't see it, I know he's working and my

father, and then I just go through all the little bits

of the Lord's Prayer and I don't always get to the end.

your will be done.

I think that's such a powerful prayer to

pray your will be done.

'cause some people think, oh, your will be done.

Oh yeah.

It's just a, you're letting go of everything and just,

it's gonna be, God's gonna do this, but I see your will

be done as your kingdom.

Which is God is light, he's love, he's caring, he's

just, and that kingdom to come to me, my family, the

church, the community, the town, England, whatever.

But for his will to be done, to pray, that is

such a powerful prayer.

Lord, your will isn't being done all the time.

You don't want to see a lot of the hurt and a lot of the.

The hatred.

We pray your will be done may, almost dragging it into

my love, dragging it into my family, dragging it into may.

Your will be done in our church.

May your will be done.

May those people who are struggling, may

your will be done.

May they know your love.

May they know.

Your support, may they know your peace, may your will be.

And I find that Lord's prayer.

I very rarely get to the end of it because I'm just, dwell

on God as a father, dwelling on his will, being done.

Dwelling on, forgive me my sins.

Forgive me.

When I go wrong and knowing his peace and what a

tremendous start the day.

And it's, it's not always a long period of time

or a short period of time, it just depends on

what's going on the day.

But just dwelling with God in the beginning of the day.

There's no better way to start the day than just praying.

It just dwelling on God.

I

dunno how you, what do you pray?

Do you pray in the morning or at night or,

yeah.

I pray in the morning.

I'll look forward.

To getting up and, going to be Yeah.

With the Lord.

It's been a long journey.

It's not always been that way.

Yeah.

but I think one of the books that's really

helped me over the years, and I've probably read

it more than Prayed it more, is, with Christ

in the School of Prayer.

I've read it a few times over the last 20 years and.

Andrew Murray speaks of the Infinite Fathers of God

that we can go to God as our father and we can ask him.

And I think what has grown in my life, in my heart, in

my soul, is a deep sense of security that God holds us

safe, and that he loves us.

And I think when we.

Seek to follow Christ, albeit imperfectly.

We choose to remember, not to forget, and we remember

all those who've been on our life's journey, not just those

who share the same faith, not just those who've done as

good, not just those who have.

encouraged us, but we choose to learn from all

those that Christ has brought into our lives.

And sometimes there are circumstances, even over years

where you want resolution.

You want healing not just for yourself, but for others.

You want peace, but you actually don't

know what to do.

in praying that you can only ever.

Do good.

That it won't do harm.

That you can bring a blessing.

And I think that gives me consolation because when

you look at the church as an institution, the world

out there is right to have questions that have been

things that have been deeply troubling and deeply wrong.

But we also know that if we come to Christ,

honestly, if we trust in him for forgiveness.

And, we pray for one another and we pray for blessing

that God will bring that.

one of my earliest experiences, and gonna say

this again to encourage us to pray as a church was after

I'd been in YF for a couple of years, I had a gap year.

I went over to work in France for a church.

Now the church was praying for my journey to where

I was going to, and I got on a train in Paris to

travel to rural France.

Now, I dunno if it's still the same, but in those days

there were certain trains that after a certain point of

the journey, what's the word?

divided the train uncoupled and went to

different directions.

And I'd got in the wrong part of the train.

Oh no.

Oh no.

Because I didn't know that was gonna happen.

And it got to a certain point of the journey.

It was dark.

It was not deep of depth of night, but it was dark.

It was the nighttime.

And I realized I was way past the time I should have

been at my destination and I was actually really upset.

I'd like to say I prayed, but I'm not sure.

I probably sent up a desperate prayer, but at that point we

were coming into a station.

The two ladies in front of me, I heard them speaking

English with French accents.

So I thought, I'm just gonna quickly speak to these women.

And I said to them, do you speak English?

And they said Yes.

And they said, we're getting off.

So I decided to get off with them.

I didn't think it was anything could be lost by this point.

And I very tearfully explained that I was supposed to be

going to this destination.

I wasn't there.

I was long, past.

And they said in English that they would help me.

And they said, we'll, speak to the station master.

'cause it was in the days when there was a station

master, it was a sister rural station in France and they

spoke to him in French and he said he would make a phone

call and I was gonna go into the, his office to wait while

he made this phone call.

And I just said to these two ladies, how

come you speak English?

And they said, oh, we were, French assistants

in a school in England.

So I said, just said whereabouts, and they

said, Middlesboro.

Now I have a second cousin who was a French

teacher in Middlesboro.

And it turned out that one of them had worked

with a second cousin.

Oh my word.

That was the first time that I really knew that when

people pray for you, that God will take care of you.

And over the years now, I could testify to many

traveling mercies like that.

Did you get to your destination?

Yeah, the, station master phoned the

number I was going to.

It was in the days before mobile phones.

I was in his office and I was absolutely.

Terrified, homesick, exhausted, upset.

And I basically just pretended to fall asleep.

Oh.

Until the pastor from the church I was gonna be

working for her arrived.

Oh, good.

yeah, I've always remembered that.

I've always thought now such a chicken that

I try to say it's funny, I've got a similar

story of traveling where, it must have been 22, I think.

And I was going to visit, someone who had been

a pen friend who I got to know quite well, and

she lived in Germany.

So I was going to fly over to Germany.

We were going to spend some time walking and staying in

youth hospitals and so on, and just, a week together.

And so I flew down.

I had a, transfer at Heathrow.

I flew down to Heathrow and my plane was delayed.

And it was delayed.

And delayed and it was, it was, I was getting really

scared 'cause I thought I'm flying to, I think it was

dusel do, I was flying to, and then I had to get a connecting

train and then I had to walk to find my friend's house

and it was getting late.

I thought, I'm not, I don't know what to do.

I, do not know what to do.

This other plane's gonna take me to Dusseldorf and I just

don't know what to do Then.

So I prayed and I had, I just had a rook sack with me.

And in the side pocket of my ruck sucker, I had a

Gideon New Testament and Psalms, and I just opened

it to read it, and I opened it on Psalm 1, 3, 9.

I have known you, I've searched you and known you.

I know when you, where you sit down, when you stand up,

I discern your thoughts from afar, even if you were to

make your bed on the furthest.

I am with you.

I'm with you.

And.

It just spoke to me so much.

I am with you.

I'm with you.

And so I got on my plane.

I got to Dusseldorf.

All the trains had then stopped.

There's no way of getting a train to where I needed

to go, and I just thought, I dunno what to do.

I'm in the middle of this city, what do I do?

So I got a map.

I opened up the map, I'm thinking right.

What do I do now?

And somebody saw me looking at a map And

came over, spoke English, said, are you struggling?

Are you lost?

Because I didn't have that much money.

We were youth hustling.

I, didn't have money for a fancy hotel or anything,

and he was so lovely.

And he found me a hotel round the corner.

It was a cheap hotel.

Perfect.

I did breakfast the next morning and then I managed

to get the train to where I needed to be, and then

I managed to walk and then I found my friend.

It all worked out.

Oh.

But the fear, the absolute fear and then turning to God.

And then finding God speaking to you Is just

the most amazing thing.

And it stays with you.

It just stays with you.

And God was so good to me.

And,

and that was a lesson I will remember.

whenever I'm in.

In a difficult situation.

I know.

What is there?

You have been in the past few years with,

Yeah,

Rick as apart with cancer and so have you.

Yeah,

Oh, it's been a tough, couple

of years.

God, I'll tell you what's kept us

going is the prayers of the church and friends.

So many people praying makes such a difference.

The church really.

Really, you don't realize how much the church support

you until you see someone who is outside the church.

I know somebody who's going through a really

tough time at the moment.

And they have no friends or family with them.

And they're alone.

They have no one.

we have got such a wealth of support and

concern and friendship and, people who will do,

what can we do for you?

Can we shop for you?

Can we buy you?

Can we bring something around?

Can we cook for you?

Can we, bring flowers around?

It's the support.

The church is absolutely so valuable and, it, you

really see it when you are going through it.

Something that's tough and people really

carried us through that.

I know there's times when Rick didn't even feel

he could pray, but he knew God was with him.

It's tough.

Something you were saying beforehand about,

corporate prayer being so important And has been

such a big thing for you.

It certainly has.

because after I, went to uni, I think it was the end of.

My second year, I had a breakdown.

I think it was a whole combination of things

that all came together.

and I had almost nine years when I didn't

go to church at all.

I didn't stop believing, I just lost all confidence

in myself and I, just was really, struggling.

But in fact, the friends I'd made in France were incredibly

faithful in prayer for me.

And friends here were very faithful in prayer.

And the one thing I did do was, I would go to read the

Bible, but then feel like it was, I know now as a sort

of more mature Christian, it was an attack, but I

used to think, there was something wrong and that I

just couldn't read the Bible and that God wasn't there.

But I did continue to read Christian books and so God

did continue to feed me, even though it was like

a very difficult time.

But one of my closest friends who I met when I was first in

France, so it's nearly like 40 years ago now, she, was very

faithful in prayer for me and.

To this day, even though we're hundreds of miles

away, she lives in France near the Swiss border.

We've experienced such a closeness of spirit.

messages will come from her or from me to her, and the timing

of them has, consistently been so significant and.

And so, special.

And over the last few years, just a few, a couple of

winters ago, it was really dark, cold night and I

thought, I'm gonna pray.

I'm gonna spend some time praying for my friends.

And I went over to light a candle in my lounge, and at

that point I heard a message come through on my phone

and it was my friend and she just said, in French,

let us pray for one another.

Oh.

And repeatedly with this particular friend

that's happened.

Over and over again and think with living on my own and,

my friend, my family, don't really ha share my faith that

can feel quite a lonely place.

So to have that depth of friendship with several people

where the messages and the verses and the, encouragement

come exactly at the right time, that has been such

a powerful thing for me.

And it's like we're saying the creed's,

communion of the Saints.

We believe in the communion of the Saints.

And when you have fellowship with the living God by

the Holy Spirit, you do experience that and it's

an amazing thing, but it's certainly taught me that.

That prayer is real and it does unite us.

And if you've got someone you can turn to in

a time when you need prayer, say, can you just pray for me?

Yeah.

That is massive.

And if people can do it to you as well.

Yes.

People said to me, can you just pray for me?

I'm really struggling with whatever at the moment.

And it's.

Apart, and it's amazing.

I think you are right when Satan whispers

in your ear, oh, you shouldn't be praying now.

You shouldn't.

The number of times I go to pray or to read my Bible

and I get these thoughts of, oh, you should just

check the weather now.

You should just, all these little things

come into your head.

Ooh, maybe you should just message soandso in that.

Thinking, stop it.

Stop it.

This is my time with God.

Stop crowding.

And then, but it happens so often.

That is definitely Satan's whisperings.

And, we, know how he, his tactics work and we

can recognize his voice.

That's a, when we try, he tries to stop us.

like you were saying, you didn't feel you were

able to read the Bible.

And again, it's the devil.

whispering to you for sure.

Thank you so much.

you've given us so much encouragement,

just trusting God.

It is.

You've been very open and very honest about, when you've

really needed God to be with you and he has, it is an

extraordinary gift, isn't it?

It's that we've been given,

we're deeply privileged.

we, are children of God.

that's what the word says.

how wonderful that we can be called children of God.

And, don't say that in an arrogant or presumptuous way.

it's an, amazing, wonderful, beautiful.

And what do you think

as well, like the creator of the universe?

Has said to us, ask anything in my name and I will do it.

It makes me think, why are we not praying anymore?

Why am I not spending all my time in prayer?

ask anything in my name.

There's so many things I could ask in his name, and

we've got that promise, and he says it over and over again.

so far you've not asked anything.

Ask him my name, ask me.

Yeah.

And,

I think that is the, that is what we want

us keep thinking about.

That was a good moment to finish.

Thank you both very much.

Thank you, Ellen.

And thank you Caroline.