Discover practical strategies for managing different leadership styles in your business with Glenn Harper and Julie Smith.
Are you struggling to collaborate with a business partner, co-founder, or leadership team member whose style drastically differs from yours? In this episode, Glenn Harper and Julie Smith reveal how they’ve navigated—and leveraged—their drastically different decision-making approaches for long-term entrepreneurial success.
From explosive, quick-action responses to measured, methodical problem-solving, they break down the realities of working with opposites. Listeners will find actionable insights and plenty of practical analogies (including grenades, tanks, and sandboxes!) to guide their own leadership growth.
What you’ll learn in this episode:
This episode is brought to you by PureTax, LLC. Tax preparation services without the pressure. When all you need is to get your tax return done, take the stress out of tax season by working with a firm that has simplified the process and the pricing. Find out more about how we started.
5 Frequently Asked Questions
Running a business doesn’t have to run your life.
Without a business partner who holds you accountable, it’s easy to be so busy ‘doing’ business that you don’t have the right strategy to grow your business.
Stop letting your business run you. At Harper & Co CPA Plus, we know that you want to be empowered to build the lifestyle you envision. In order to do that you need a clear path to follow for success
Our clients enjoy a proactive partnership with us. Schedule a consultation with us today.
Download our free guide - Entrepreneurial Success Formula: How to Avoid Managing Your Business From Your Bank Account.
Glenn Harper, CPA, is the Owner and Managing Partner of Harper & Company CPAs Plus, a top 10 Managing Partner in the country (Accounting Today's 2022 MP Elite). His firm won the 2021 Luca Award for Firm of the Year.
An entrepreneur and speaker, Glenn transformed his firm into an advisory-focused practice, doubling revenue and profit in two years. He teaches entrepreneurs to build financial and operational excellence, speaks nationwide to CPA firm owners about running their businesses like entrepreneurs, and consults with firms across the country. Glenn enjoys golfing, fishing, hiking, cooking, and spending time with his family.
Julie Smith, MBA, is a serial entrepreneur in the public accounting space. She is the Founder of EmpowerCPA™, Founder of PureTax, LLC, COO for Harper & Company CPAs Plus, and Co-host of the Empowering Entrepreneurs podcast.
Named CPA.com's 2021 Innovative Practitioner of Year, Julie led Harper & Company's transition to an advisory-focused firm, doubling revenue and profit in two years. She now empowers other CPA firm owners nationwide through consulting and speaking, teaching them how to run their businesses like entrepreneurs. Julie lives in Columbus, OH with her family and enjoys travel, coaching basketball, sporting events, and the occasional shopping spree.
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/
Copyright 2026 Glenn Harper
Mentioned in this episode:
Brought to you by Harper & Company CPAs Plus
Running a business takes vision, grit… and the right financial partner. At Harper & Company CPAs Plus, we don’t just crunch numbers—we empower entrepreneurs. From proactive tax strategy and accounting to business advisory services, our team helps you keep more of what you earn and scale with confidence. Whether you’re launching, growing, or preparing for exit, Harper & Company is in your corner with expert guidance built for business owners like you. Visit www.harpercpaplus.com to book a complimentary discovery call today - or call us at 614-456-7222.
Hello, everyone. Welcome to another edition of the Empowering Entrepreneurs Podcast. I'm
Speaker:Glenn Harper. Julie Smith. You look like you're ready to roll.
Speaker:Well, you don't know what question I'm gonna ask. I know you're over there like,
Speaker:ooh, where's this gonna go? And what's going on? Speed round. I don't know what's
Speaker:gonna happen. I'll do my best. Forget the rest. So I think it's.
Speaker:So one of the things I think we should address that's probably happens to a
Speaker:lot of entrepreneurs or entrepreneurs and their leadership team, their board
Speaker:team, their centers of influences, is how do
Speaker:you manage different styles?
Speaker:So I don't know if anyone's picked up on it or not, but Glenn and
Speaker:I are drastically different when it comes to making decisions or getting
Speaker:from point A to point Z.
Speaker:Generally, I will burn it down from B to Y. So
Speaker:just look out. And he's over there meandering, trying to water B to
Speaker:flower. And so C is going to eventually come up and be great.
Speaker:And I'm at Z like, I burned the road down. Are you coming?
Speaker:She's always at the finish line. I'm just trying to get to the next step
Speaker:here. But very methodical. No, there are two different styles,
Speaker:and again, I think it depends. There's these personality
Speaker:traits tests you can take, and I'm like, strongly on one
Speaker:side, you're strongly on the other, literally on opposite ends. But
Speaker:it's all about. It's where you came from, what your style is that
Speaker:you learned, whether you come from big business or small business, whether
Speaker:you're a more of a nurturer solving
Speaker:a problem, or you're like this get it done type of thing. Those are two
Speaker:different. There's multiple styles to get there. Neither one is wrong and
Speaker:neither one is right. It's just the circumstances dictate. Sometimes you got
Speaker:to go in there with a tank, and sometimes you got to go in with.
Speaker:You know, I mean, I would always go in with a tank unless there was
Speaker:someone beside me holding back my tank. So let me be clear about that one.
Speaker:Always hiding the gas cans. But I think, you know,
Speaker:to put an analogy out there, like, I will throw a grenade and then figure
Speaker:out how to pick up the pieces. Like, I'm never afraid of what will happen
Speaker:because if someone has wronged me, not done right, or I feel like
Speaker:something is coming, I will gladly take and throw
Speaker:the grenade and figure it out afterwards. Like, I just always have this
Speaker:feeling of it's all going to be okay. I'll be able to pick it up.
Speaker:I'll figure it out, right? Even. Even sometimes when I'm saying like, okay, let's throw
Speaker:the grenade. And he's like, okay, well, what about xyz? And I'm like, we'll figure
Speaker:it out. He's like, no, what is the plan? I don't necessarily know what X,
Speaker:Y and Z will be that's going to about to blow up, but I will
Speaker:figure it out. Meanwhile, he's over there
Speaker:polishing the grenade in hopes that we never have to throw
Speaker:it. Sometimes a grenade is helpful, like
Speaker:horseshoes and hand grenades is very helpful. And other times
Speaker:we might not to get so messy. And. And it just depends on the circumstances.
Speaker:And again, it's just different perspectives to come at the certain problem. And
Speaker:all of the entrepreneurs out there have these same things. Sometimes you get so
Speaker:ticked off you were wronged and you just want to go out and just fight,
Speaker:fight, fight and blow it up. And other times you're like, man, I
Speaker:see this thing happening. I hope it doesn't go that way. I'm going to try
Speaker:to nurse it along a little bit and see if I can right the ship
Speaker:and bring it back. Sometimes you do and sometimes you don't. Different
Speaker:styles. There's no absolute for all of them for anything. It's just
Speaker:those are the two styles you're going to have. But I believe
Speaker:in the good of people, and I will give probably
Speaker:too much rope and too much benefit of the doubt, and
Speaker:it generally will come sometimes bite me in the butt. But a lot of times
Speaker:it's turned out really, really well because I believe in the
Speaker:good of people. But sometimes if I see it coming straight at me, okay, we
Speaker:got to fight. But it's just hard to tell. We don't know as entrepreneurs,
Speaker:everybody's attacking you at once. How do you know you can't throw grenades at
Speaker:everybody? I mean, I don't see why you only have so many. They only give
Speaker:you so much. I just feel like we're in the sandbox, right? And like, as
Speaker:an entrepreneur, I'm playing in my sandbox, for instance.
Speaker:And if someone's going to enter into my sandbox and they're not going to enter
Speaker:it in nicely, I have to defend my sandbox.
Speaker:And if someone's going to enter into my sandbox
Speaker:willingly, like, I feel like it's no holds bar grenades are coming.
Speaker:I mean, I don't disagree with you. It depends on where the assault's coming from.
Speaker:But again, this is good for all Siderepreneurs is
Speaker:the facts and circumstances, how you feel about things, the strength of
Speaker:the enemy coming at you. You don't even know what that is until you are
Speaker:engaged. And sometimes they sneak up on you, right? They just pop out of the
Speaker:way. But I think what we've learned to do. So if there's anything that
Speaker:the listeners can learn from is I
Speaker:may now pause before I send the grenade, and I
Speaker:may go explain him. About to throw this grenade, and
Speaker:you pull it, and you're holding it away from me, and I'm like, give me.
Speaker:Let me get that. And you're like, no, no, no. And I'm like, hold. Give
Speaker:me. Let me just try to solve this thing. And then you're like, I'm ready.
Speaker:I'm ready. And then you'd launch it. And I think what we've learned is like,
Speaker:that yin and yang. So, like, I may be ready to launch the grenade, but
Speaker:I may give him a moment to see if he can
Speaker:have a conversation that will allow the
Speaker:situation to get out of my sandbox, per se,
Speaker:and continue to let us play. And I think there's moments in
Speaker:time where he realizes that there's no conversation that can be had that can
Speaker:bring this person out of my sandbox, I guess, or out of our
Speaker:sandbox. And so, you know, he's like, okay, go for it,
Speaker:Julie. Just do whatever you got to do. Just don't tell me, you know, I
Speaker:summon the Kraken and it happens. But I think we've learned
Speaker:each other. I think the point is this is you have to learn each other's
Speaker:style when it comes to conflict and resolution and
Speaker:be able to say, okay, here's the conflict, and here's my
Speaker:resolution. And then to be able not just to hear him, but listen and
Speaker:hear him say, here's. Here's how I see this conflict, and here's how I see
Speaker:this resolution. Okay, which way are we going to try first? Because
Speaker:oftentimes it's one of us navigating that road.
Speaker:And which one are we going to try? He may see some roadblocks
Speaker:that, while I'm burning it down, never would have saw that coming my way. And
Speaker:I may say, there's no way your conversation is going to work. You know, what
Speaker:have you. And so being able to have that conversation
Speaker:and come to a conclusion, you know, of course, I don't really want everyone
Speaker:to burn it down and throw grenades at every single thing. It just feels like
Speaker:as an entrepreneur, you never know who's coming at your Sandbox and
Speaker:from which way. And so you're just defending something, but being able
Speaker:to understand that conflict resolution
Speaker:and having that person to be able to maybe take you from.
Speaker:It's DEFCON 1, right? DEFCON 1 is the best. I think the lower the DEFCON
Speaker:is the worst. Yeah, I always thought it was higher, but maybe DEFCON 10 meant
Speaker:I was at peace. I don't know. Anyway, figuring out that DEFCON and
Speaker:being able to talk you off the ledge, per se, or sleep
Speaker:on it or think about it, I think is really important. Whether that's
Speaker:a business partner, whether that's your spouse, whether that's some random
Speaker:friend that's a really great listener, a therapist that you have. Whatever it is, I
Speaker:think it's being able to. It's all about this listening she's talking about. She's got
Speaker:to listen, talk less, listen more, talk less, listen more.
Speaker:And to the point is, remember, there's this problem
Speaker:that is a person, place, or thing, a product, service. There's a
Speaker:problem that's coming at your organization or you or your
Speaker:staff or whatever. Either something's coming in or something's trying to go
Speaker:out, and you're just trying to solve the problem. The hardest thing
Speaker:is to identify what is the problem and knowing that you
Speaker:are not the problem. Right. I'm never the problem. And your peacemaking skills and
Speaker:knowing what the problem is, but really, what is an amicable. What is
Speaker:the easiest solution to have? And sometimes it's a grenade,
Speaker:and sometimes it's a little soft soap to try to solve the issue. It
Speaker:just got to. You'll learn that as you navigate as being an entrepreneur. Yeah, I
Speaker:think good lessons, because call me if you want to burn it down. Call him
Speaker:if you want to have a good, calm, peaceful conversation. I got monster grenades.
Speaker:I just don't really want to use them unless I have. Just kidding. Just kidding.
Speaker:Do have a flamethrower. Well, there's another great edition of the Empowering
Speaker:Entrepreneurs Podcast. I'm Glenn Harper. Julie Smith.