On this episode, Mia interviews

Katherine Ozment — an award-winning journalist and author of Grace

Without God: The Search for Meaning, Purpose, and Belonging in a Secular

Age. Katherine talks about the "nones" and how they can give their kids some of the gems that families used to get from organized religion. They talk about Katherine's findings talking to families across the US about rituals — solstice, dinner, and sacred time. Mia shares some of her family's rituals and how she made a decision not to sign up for soccer. Katherine talks about how we make space for things that are not transient but more timeless, and how she has brought the conversation home to her family. They both share how they lead by example, and how that may be the best teacher. You can connect with Katherine at her site, http://katherineozment.com/.