Buckle up for the intriguing exploration of Ashley Flowers' astrological birth chart, as interpreted by our resident astrologer, Tom McMullan. We delve into the connections between astrology and the investigative pursuits that Ashley is known for with her Crime Junkie podcast. Tom explains the significance of Ashley's Sagittarian sun sign positioned within the house of Scorpio, which ostensibly predisposes her toward the realm of investigation and crime. Throughout the episode, we examine past life influences and the emotional complexities that inform Ashley's present life, particularly her tendency to prioritize the needs of others over her own. This conversation serves as the first installment of a two-part series, setting the stage for deeper revelations in the subsequent episode.

Welcome to the Dead Life.

Here's world renowned medium Alison Dubois.

What do we have going on for you at the Dead Life today?

Well, we have a very special guest today.

Some of you might know her from the very popular podcast Crime Junkyaf.

The one and only, Ashley Flowers.

Hello.

I also have your favorite astrologer, Tom McMullen here to weigh in on this episode.

Ashley and I were talking about past lives recently and astrological readings.

She had never had her chart read.

So I introduced Ashley flowers to Tom McMullen to see what Tom would uncover in a crime junkie's birth chart.

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Well, Ashley, welcome to the show.

Hi.

I'm so excited.

Thank you so much for taking time out of your busy tour schedule.

I know you're all over the place right now.

No, this feels like someone recently told me, Tom, that I have to do things for myself and this feels like something for myself.

So this is good.

Yes, that was something I did tell her.

So funny.

I didn't give the origin story of how we were talking about astrology at the time.

It was something about being at a hole in a wall bar called Ernie's on karaoke night.

But that's for another day.

That was a lot of fun.

Thank you for coming and thank you for taking a look at Ashley's chart because.

My pleasure.

Because I wanted to know.

And this is part of the reason I was so curious.

You looked at my chart the first time I met you and I remember when you started the reading, you didn't know who I was because Medium just came out and I remember you saying, I don't know what you do, but there's a lot of homicide in your chart.

So what did you see in Ashley's?

Does she have a lot of homicide in her chart too?

No, she has investigation in her chart.

Okay, well tell us about that.

She can investigate anything and tear it apart and put it back together.

That's what she does.

So Ashley, she has her Sagittarian sun sign in the house of Scorpio which makes her a natural investigator or searcher, if you will, for Sagittarius into all things Scorpio, which obviously is crime and the dark side and everything else that she finds hidden in the background, if you will, which is unfortunately that it is in dark areas, you know.

But I told her that when I looked at her chart, I said, in the past, her lesson is to serve others over herself in terms of how she looks at her relationships and serving her husband.

And she was elevated in her past life with a successful husband.

And I said that I thought he might have been a doctor.

And she started going into medical early on in her career because she was used to being around that world.

But she was always the promoter of her husband, never for herself.

And so she, in her childhood she felt lonely because no one's really there for her because her husband wasn't there for her.

She's there for everybody.

And in her story she's doing everything for everybody.

And so now there's an imbalance coming in this lifetime for her to find the balance between how much she does for over other people, which is to overdo, versus how much she doesn't do for herself.

And she comes in with a wound.

If she does anything for herself, she feels massively guilty.

So the problem with that is I want to be there for others, but then there's no boards and boundaries for me.

And she has this, like you said, she has a moon in Taurus and a Taurus rising.

So a double Taurean, who in her case, the moon is hidden in the 12th house.

So emotionally she's self sufficient, but she draws herself away from people in her emotions.

And another challenge for her is that when she over gives and she gets criticized, she tends to blow up at them because she suppresses all of her emotions.

I saw her moon in Taurus come out at dinner.

You're like, I am.

You'll order one of everything.

We went to dinner when I recorded Crime Junkie with you in Indianapolis, and we went to dinner and she ordered like one of everything.

I'm like, this girl and I are gonna be friends for sure.

So do you think her guilt revolves around maybe your little girl?

You being away from her, it could involve you feeling like you're taking your time away from her sometimes.

Everything I feel, yeah, my guilt is.

In everything I do for, you know, if I'm spending time with my daughter, then I'm like leaving people here at work and I'm not doing enough and I'm doing stuff at work.

It's her or it's like I even do something for myself and I'm not with my husband enough or my friends are like it's my.

I am just like a ball of guilt.

Yeah.

And it's funny because I told her when she, I said you have a child because you said she'd had a little girl.

And I said the minute that child was born, it just went into maximum because now it's like she has a career and she has a child.

And for a woman, especially for Ashley with her service soul to serve everyone over herself, it's like it gets only exacerbated in that situation, you know.

And then, and then she said her daughter basically clings to her 24 7, which makes it harder.

Well, she's still at that age.

She is and it's her toddler.

But like I, she's just starting to like be into her dad.

Like it like her and I are like this and I don't know, we've got a special connection too, but it is all consuming.

It's hard to balance the, the career life with your personal life.

And I remember when I was doing what I was doing on the road, I felt so guilty being in a hotels, in other cities, states, countries away from my girls because my youngest was about your daughter's age, I think maybe a little older.

She was like four.

And I felt so guilty.

And I always tell young moms now, don't bother picking up at home if there's no food on the walls.

You're doing worry about being perfect.

Nobody will remember that part of your life and, and you'll never hear it again.

So enjoy the me time.

Especially if you could steal that away.

You basically have to claw back that time for yourself because no one will give it to you.

And you can't probably get a massage without thinking about work because when I.

Got a massage yesterday, all I thought about was work.

I do the same thing.

I just can't shut down.

And that's what it's like being a in the public eye with the child.

So there's no way around in this.

Lifetime, this is the first time she did both because in the past she just served her husband in his career and so she ran the whole family and was running all of his probably in his work also.

And.

But this time she wanted something for herself and gravitated into her own career which became very successful.

Which is a good, good news, bad news because you know, you got married and you start this business and it just blows up.

And so now the Pressure is on at such a huge level for you, and I know that's hard to maintain.

If you were just managing a husband, it'd be one thing, but you get to be successful in this lifetime.

And I don't like the fact that you feel.

You have to feel guilty, because you are.

It's ingrained.

It's just ingrained.

There's no way around it.

Did you talk to her?

A little bit.

Because I hadn't heard this until you told me this.

The moon in Taurus has to watch, like real estate purchases.

Well, any money.

Any money issue.

Any financial issue is a Taurus issue anyway.

So the need for financial security and safety is strong in Taurus and Cancers, but Taurus wants to control it.

Taurus nature, especially emotionally.

This is mine.

Don't touch it.

This is like, I don't share much because I want to hold on to everything.

And so, you know, letting it go into someone else's hands, which is Scorpio, which, you know, she told me that she has her.

Her husband in the treasury or, you know, doing the treasury of the business or whatever, and I go, that's where challenges come in with that relationship.

So.

Because the challenges are always in the relationship, as I said, make sure that you hold on to your money.

Because in the past, when she did everything for her husband, he left her, so there was no money there.

So this time, I've been mad about this ever since we met Tom.

I don't know who his husband was.

But I've been, like, fired up and telling all my friends, you know, finances, son of a bitch.

Finances.

With your husband, when you work with them, even if they just have the money in the honey or the hand in the honey pot there, it's something that will create tension in your marriage.

I'm like you 20 years in the future.

So I'm just saying, watch that.

Because I've been that way.

I'm like, I'm the power source.

I make the money, you know, wanting to control it.

And when something's gone and you're like, well, where did that go?

It creates a tension that never ends.

So I'm just putting that out there as your future self.

Well, you both have it in common.

You have Taurus and your moon and Taurus in the house of Scorpio on top of it.

Because you have the same thing happen to you.

You let someone else run your money, and they destroyed it.

Damn it.

So you guys have that in common.

I don't get it a lot.

You know, I do get that when I see it in a woman's chart.

I'll say, make sure you have your own bank account right away.

And then they're like, well, I don't.

You know.

And I said, well, you might.

If they're young, they don't.

And if they're older, they go, yeah, I kind of knew that early on.

And that's.

Cause it's memory.

Memory of, like, I better hold onto this.

Because we have a lot of memory.

We come in karmically from what the.

You know, the crisis and the traumas were of the past.

And in a lot of situations, you know, men.

Women serve men, and then they leave them for another woman or they die or whatever it is.

And so you have to be cautious of that, because the message is for you, I'm to serve others over me.

And so now you have to learn to protect yourself.

And you're a protector of others for that reason, you see, which is, I always found interesting in your work, doing all the crime investigation, you're protecting people from bad things that can happen to them.

You know, you want to find the bad guy so they can't hurt other people.

Right.

So did you.

You want to be a prosecuting attorney?

No, no.

Ashley and I totally vibe.

I mean, I get that when I met her, I'm like, finally I have somebody I can talk to about murder, forensics, because there's literally nobody out there to talk to.

So it's great.

So what was her rising?

Taurus.

Oh, you said that Taurus rising.

That's a lot of Taurus.

Yeah, she's mostly in her elements.

It's fire and earth.

That's her elements.

The air and water are very weak.

And water's weak because she controls her emotions and won't let them out.

So when they come out, they come out explosive, unfortunately.

So a Scorpio wouldn't work for her very well.

Well, Scorpio rules a relationship house.

So the whole point of her Dharma is to find the Fred Astaire to her Ginger Rogers rather than create the imbalance.

Right.

Didn't I say that?

I think Eric's your Fred Astaire.

He is.

He's so.

He's.

He's been great at playing that, like, supporting character, like, a role in my life.

And, like, everything he's done and sacrificed, like, I know he's made sacrif for my career and what I wanted to do.

And he's just been, like, such a supportive, amazing partner.

But, see, you are always the one doing that in your past.

Now you've Got someone that does that for you.

And I'm sure that makes you feel.

Guilty, so it probably makes you feel a little good.

But it feels good to have a man that'll do that.

And I actually have video footage of you being dipped by your husband.

So you literally are Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire.

Working as a team is the goal for you, but you have to communicate with your partner.

Now you're asking for a hard thing.

I know not just words, feelings and how you're feeling and not measure yourself, because I know that you measure yourself when you're in a situation.

When you look at charts like this, can you tell, like, a time period, a person lived?

Or do you just.

Oh, my God.

That's the number one question all my friends are asking me when I about this reading.

And I'm like, I didn't even think to ask.

I was just in my mind, in a petticoat, and I didn't.

I asked no question.

So I do have an answer to that because I feel generally we tend to come in after 30 or 40 years of the past life.

It seems to be sort of.

Because I know for myself, I had a past life regression.

I was born in the mid-50s, and I know my last life was in the 20s.

And so a lot of people, why we repeat music patterns in generations.

We take the thing that was in our parents or grandparents, we bring it back and make our own version.

It happens all the time because it's memory.

So I think the one I do, when I go into someone's past life, I go into that previous one.

But there's sometimes I'll go maybe one or two back or something, or way back, because there would be a strong karmic signature, because I did one for someone, that they were part of the Russian family way back.

But it wasn't the past life because they were the opposite.

They were poor.

So do you mean like the Tsar and the Tsarina?

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

They were high Russian.

Yeah.

Royalty.

And so.

But then the last life, they were born in the Depression, so it had a complete different experience.

Oh, that sucks.

And it's like, why you were born struggling with money in your family.

Growing up, your parents worked so hard, therefore you're not getting attention.

Your parents are always working.

It's also why they felt like they were born into the wrong family and should have been born rich.

I know exactly how that feels.

But that's one of the things I said to her.

I said, you feel like you don't belong in your own family.

And you said, that's true.

And so the memory was, I'm supposed to have more things here.

Yes.

High five on that.

I felt the same way when I was a little girl.

I used to look at my mom.

I'm like, this can't be right.

This can't be right.

I'll fix that.

Don't worry.

But in both cases, the two of you became ambitious women to correct that problem and still get into relationships.

And so the challenge is, you know, how you are in the relationship as a woman, as a wife and being an ambitious woman.

Those are very similar things for both of you.

Do you like clothes?

And are you drawn to that time period in movies?

And so the.

I feel like the music more than anything, like, we grew up, like, and.

But I don't, you know, what's my dad showing it to me?

And what's this?

But, like, I love, like, Dean Martin and Frank Sinatra.

Yeah, that.

That would be the 50s.

Yeah, I love that.

See, that's what my parents were in that.

Because that was what they listened to because they were in that era.

But my parents, because my parents were born in the 20s, so they were of your age in the 50s and what have you.

So that's why I went back to.

And I love that.

I watch all the old movies still, and I love everything from the 20s.

I'm a bourbon drinker.

Okay.

You still mention actors that I'm like, I have no ide who you're talking about.

He's like, they're really famous.

I'm like, I believe you.

My favorite book and favorite movie was always the Great Gatsby.

And that's that period.

That makes sense.

Yeah.

So what.

And let me ask you this, because I find the correlation in murders that I'm attracted to, like, cold cases, if there is something, say, first of all, I find the interesting.

The 20s, 30s, 40s.

I mean, I just.

I love history.

But do you feel attracted to certain murders from certain time periods?

Or do you.

Is it just across the board, not certain eras?

But what is interesting in you saying that is, Tom, you had said that, you know, one of my big fears or like, is that is the idea of abandonment and, like, someone, like, just leaving.

What I'm super attracted to are missing person cases where somebody just, like, is there one minute and gone the next.

Like, I obsess over missing person cases.

Yes.

Yes.

Okay.

That's why.

That's the memory.

I'm Just so curious about that.

With the cases I look at, I get attracted to the, like, crime scenes of the past and looking at them through a new lens of forensics, what you could look at now and trying to pull impressions of what I see as having happened and think, could you fingerprint the light glass, the glass that was around the light, or could you pull trace DNA now off of the clothing that they bagged back in the 60s?

Would that survive, things of that nature?

But I was just curious from another person who's sort of cold case interested in how this.

Oh, yeah.

And it's hard to decide what's me and what's like, this new version of me.

I don't know.

But, yeah, like, I look at cases all the time and think, like, God, it's all sitting right there in that picture, for example.

Like, you're looking at this picture.

It's all right there.

They just didn't know it was in front of them.

Right.

I, last night turned on the tv and the first episode, the pilot episode of Medium was on.

I was like, oh, my God, of course.

I was sitting there writing this intro while my show was playing in the background.

I'm like, my life is so strange.

And at the same time, when you look at these pictures from crime scenes, it's something that we're wired to do.

Do you know what I mean?

Like, we're wired to do it.

And I don't mean it in a dark way.

Twenty years ago, I was told, how do you tread in the dark?

And now everybody listens to, you know, Crime Junkie and.

And podcasts, and they're into the reality shows based on cold cases and unsolved cases and forensics.

And it's like, is everybody dark now?

Because before I was alone when everyone was telling me how dark I was.

I know people are, like, more willing to explore in dark areas, but people ask me all the time, and there's so many people who will say, like, I listened to Crime Junkie and I, like, binged it.

And then I had to take a break and, like, it was dark.

And then I come back to it, and they'll ask me all the time, like, how do you do this day in and day out?

And it's exactly what I tell people.

I was like, some people are just, like, made to live in that space.

Have you got.

Have you gotten a suggestion from one of your listeners to look at something you hadn't thought of before?

Like, do you have those moments with your.

Your listeners for Crime Junkie where they see Something in the picture you post or they.

Yeah, every once in a while it's not a ton of visual stuff because of the podcast.

I mean, we have visuals, but, you know, a lot fewer people go look online.

But every once in a while there'll be like a theory that I hadn't considered or they're like, looking at things through just like a different lens.

A different lens?

Yeah.

I just find it helpful when you have a bunch of fresh eyes looking at a case, especially in the future, looking back at the past.

I was just curious if you had that connection.

So with her chart, what is her mars in Aries.

But it's in the 12th house of what's hidden.

So once again, she's holding back her passion, her emotion and anger and resentment.

It's all sitting there waiting for her.

Damn, girl.

Damn.

It's just.

It's not healthy, though.

That's the thing.

I said it's not healthy to her energy, to her body, because when you suppress things, it creates a lot of illness.

I said I kept getting ulcers with her because she's holding everything in.

Go to a break room and just tear that room apart with a baseball bat.

Worth the money.

My daughter went to one.

She's like, that was awesome.

You feel great when you leave.

Just smash the hell out of everything.

When Tom said, he's like, you just like explode.

And I was like, I actually don't, like, I don't think anyone.

Like, I've never liked.

If you haven't, you haven't hit that point yet.

Yeah.

Have someone leave you and see what you do.

Yeah, no, I'm.

Yeah, yeah.

You'd have a waiting to exhale moment where she puts all the clothes in the car and lights it up.

That's just like simmering, waiting for like the.

We're saving it up.

Well, yeah.

You're 36, for Pete's sake.

Come on.

It's like.

And everything looks good right now.

The husband's good, the child's good.

And then someone's gonna screw you and you're gonna be like, that's it.

Get the lawyers.

It's so funny.

Like, there were like these little things I did as a kid or like sayings I had that like, made no sense for like a 12 year old to have, but, like, do now that.

That.

That we did the reading.

And one of them, I used to say all the time in like middle school, and my mom was like, don't be so dramatic.

Is.

I would always be very pessimistic.

And I was Like, I would rather be pleasantly surprised than horribly disappointed.

And my mom's like, you're so much drama.

Like, just live life.

You were like a little old lady in a child's body.

Me, too.

I think we're just old souls.

We've been here before.

We've been here, done that.

You know, I'd like to hear.

In a past life, maybe I was a homicide detective, and I didn't get to solve a certain case, and I have to go back and solve it now.

That's funny.

But you're.

You have so many crime junkie fans that if somebody did cross you, that would be a hard one for them to live with, because all of your girls would be like, we ride at dawn.

I know.

I know.

I like, I've got a.

I've got a good group.

I've never had to put them to work if I need to.

That's so funny.

Well, was there anything else in her chart that really stood out?

Well, I was teasing her about puzzles because I said, you're.

You're a problem solver.

That's her.

How her mind's very analytical.

And it was funny because I said, you're always trying to solve puzzles, whether Sudoku or an actual puzzle or crossword.

And she goes, I have puzzles constantly going.

And I finally just finished one.

I was just like, say, there's a.

I finished my first puzzle the other day.

So you can see things like that in charts.

That's so fascinating.

I told her, I go, sometimes these things come to me.

I'll just say the word.

And then she'd say, oh, yeah, I'm doing puzzles.

And I go, yeah, that's how it works.

Oh, that's a good constructive outlet for you.

Yeah, it's.

And she needs a lot of time alone to work through her emotions.

But, you know, it's going, going, going all the time.

And that's why you may not say, well, I'm doing everything to suppress it.

I don't want to blow up, because I'd rather be disappointed.

You know, I don't want to be disappointed, because you always were disappointed because you're always alone doing everything.

And one of the things that was screaming in my head right away when I got into her story was the fact, you know, I'm doing everything, and I'm doing everything for you.

That's, you know, that's her cry.

And then it's like, because no one's doing anything for me is the other half of that.

You know, she has assistants that can do things for Her.

That's true.

I'm getting to be damn near, like, useless on my own, which makes me nervous.

It's so hard when you're used to having hair and makeup people.

I remember sitting in front of a mirror in my house after I came back off tour, and I wasn't doing press anymore, and I just stared in the mirror like I was waiting for someone to do my makeup.

That's the thing.

I haven't.

I'm still doing all my own hair and makeup, so I haven't.

I haven't done that yet.

But, like, I don't know how to get my coffee in the morning anymore.

That's so.

That's okay.

That's okay.

But I.

When I met Allison, I said, you were famous in your past life.

So she's used to being a diva, you see.

So that's.

She was famous and she was persecuted for her fame, which, again, in this lifetime, it happens again.

Ta da.

Yeah.

And she also has a lot.

Here we are.

She's only recently got into the female form.

She's been male for a lot of lives, so she's got a lot of male energy.

And so.

But what happened in her past, it was like an Elvis Presley story.

She was famous, and she gave all her power to the manager or whatever, and they ran away with her money.

And that's her wound.

So crisis with money.

People.

I know.

Goddamn men.

I went to Tombstone, Arizona.

So when Tom said that I was male in a past life, I knew I was a womanizing pig.

Absolutely.

Like, carried a gun.

Yeah.

You know, I'm sure.

Maybe I was a sheriff.

I don't know if I was good or bad, but I feel like I tried to be good and.

But a lot of women and just lived in the moment, and that just feels right.

But when I was in Tombstone, I'm like, home.

It was just such a good feeling.

So wild.

And so in this lifetime, I remember being like.

I remember Joe and I.

Not to divulge too much, but, you know, sometimes in a bathing suit or when you're getting dressed, you're like, I look pretty good.

He was like, are you checking yourself out?

I said, I was just recognizing my natural attributes and my unnatural attributes, and they all look good.

I love it.

So, yeah, I could see being a guy before where I'm like, what are these?

I got my own.

How nice.

You know?

And her father was very handsome.

He was a womanizer and very handsome.

So she related to him in real life.

Like, in this life.

In this life, he was a professional ballroom dancer, and he had a propensity for blondes.

All of them.

Yeah.

So Allison saw a bit of herself and her dad.

You know what?

It didn't bother me that he was like that.

Exactly.

That's why it didn't.

I backed his play as a child.

He's like, now, don't tell so and so about so and so.

He's like, we don't need to bring that up.

I'm like, okay, dad.

Oh, you understood.

You understood.

I got it.

Mission accomplished.

I got.

I got what he needed me to do.

Keep my mouth shut.

I know.

So was there anything that stood out in her chart that really caught you off guard or did it all.

It never cast me off guard because I could become the person.

Don't you ever see something in someone's chart where you're like, what the fuck?

Like, where it's something so bad or so astounding that you're like, I've never seen that before?

Sometimes.

Yeah.

Sometimes.

So, like, in some of the killers charts that I had you run, did.

You see some of them?

I don't like you having me do this.

Like the Menendez brothers.

Yeah.

No, I don't.

And what about in Dahmer?

Dahmer.

Dahmers.

She puts me in the place that you girls go to.

I don't want to be in at all.

I go, when can I do someone like Christopher Reeve Superman?

You know, the opposite of this?

Yeah.

Oh, God, no.

And then, like, I feel like that's more you than me.

Like, I don't know.

And like, I'm trying to figure out what happened and not necessarily even why.

Or, like, ugh.

Thank you to Ashley flowers and Tom McMullen for being here today.

It was so much fun going through her birth chart and finding out what the birth chart of a crime junkie looks like.

Tune in next week for part two with Ashley Flowers and Tom McMullen.

I'm Alison Dubois.

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