Your brain's dopamine system wasn't designed for infinite scroll, autoplay, and variable notifications. It was designed for earned rewards — and social media is engineered to exploit the gap between those two realities.
In this episode, Dr. Kelsy Vick closes out the April Spring Cleaning Series by breaking down what dopamine actually does in the brain, how social media platforms are specifically built to trigger tolerance and receptor downregulation, and why real life starts to feel flat when your reward system has been worn down.
Plus — the personal story of traveling with her phone on airplane mode and what it revealed about how automatic scrolling had actually become.
What you'll learn:
This is the spring cleaning your brain actually needs.
🎧 Miss the rest of the series? Start with our episodes on the lymphatic system and glymphatic system linked below.
Dopamine System Episodes:
The Female Brain, Dopamine, Motivation, & Our Menstrual Cycles!: https://youtu.be/vp5mqJNcXmQ?si=QCtMbHgz7sVSe_HW
Spring Cleaning (Dopamine Detox!): https://youtu.be/IKAUeugRBbc?si=nitogU1bmaSoCCWR
Build Your Own Dopamine Menu: https://youtu.be/NkBMiiMG_mw?si=LuvBj_sTUPa_hVx1
The Summer I Turned Pretty & Your Dopamine System: https://youtu.be/wnkYARrPL8o?si=S5jUC8WJLd-OSSC8
The Female Brain on Motivation & Discipline: https://youtu.be/ckrbPK9mmgs?si=oJOqno8srn-d5hay
Lauretani et al. (2024) — International Journal of Molecular Sciences — Dopamine as neuromodulator
Dresp-Langley (2023) — Biomedicines — Dopamine, anhedonia & anti-reward brain state
Sharpe & Spooner (2025) — Perspectives in Public Health — Dopamine-scrolling as public health concern
Internet addiction & dopamine tolerance — PMC — Receptor downregulation mechanism
Emotional Reinforcement & Social Media (2023) — PMC — Intermittent reinforcement & dopamine sensitization
Tyler et al. (2023) — Frontiers in Public Health — HIIT & dopamine D2 receptor upregulation
Bastioli et al. (2022) — Journal of Neuroscience — Voluntary exercise & striatal dopamine release
Desai et al. (2024) — Cureus — Dopamine fasting & mindfulness evidence
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Welcome to Wellness Fix the pod, a
bi maven media production where we
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:believe you deserve real education
from real experts delivered
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:in a way you can actually use.
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:I'm Dr.
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:Kelsey Vick, your board certified
orthopedic doctor of physical therapy, and
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:this podcast was built for the girl who
is done feeling overwhelmed and frustrated
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:by conflicting health noise and is ready
for something she can actually trust.
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:Every week we have honest
science-backed conversations
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:about your health, your hormones.
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:Your brain, your body and
everything in between.
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:No fluff, no fear mongering, just
the truth because understanding
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:your body is the most powerful
thing you can do for yourself.
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:A table full of experts built for
the curious girl who wants the truth.
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:So welcome.
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:Your seat is waiting for you.
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:The way social media grips our
attention was not an accident.
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:It was engineered to specifically
exploit the way your reward system works.
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:The cruel irony is that the things
that we often reach for to help with
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:this dysregulation are often the
things that are directly causing
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:the poor functioning of the system.
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:Each one is a cheap stimulus
that the brain just adapts to
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:making real life feel dimmer.
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:By comparison, the boredom
is the actual point.
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:Over time, as the cheap stuff
decreases, the real stuff
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:starts to feel real good again.
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:And this is the actual spring clean,
not eliminating pleasure, but restoring
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:your ability to find it in real life.
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:When was the last time you sat somewhere
without reaching for your phone?
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:I know anytime I am waiting for a friend
at a coffee shop or just trying to zone
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:out my phone is the first thing I grab.
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:And if you've ever tried to do some
sort of phone or social media fast,
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:you know that sometimes when you pick
up your phone, you just out of habit,
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:go to the apps that you frequent.
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:It's scary how automatic this
has become and how much we rely
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:on that external stimulation.
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:so let's chat about spring
cleaning this entire experience
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:And about one of the most important
aspects of our dopamine system
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:That so many people forget.
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:Welcome back to Wellness Fixes the Pod.
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:I'm your host, Dr.
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:Kelsey Vic, a board certified
orthopedic doctor, physical therapy,
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:and a pelvic floor physical therapist.
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:And this is the final week of
our April spring cleaning series.
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:Not spring cleaning your house or
organizing, although that is also
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:great, but spring cleaning your brain
and body health and wellness style.
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:So the first few episodes we talked
about the lymphatic system, the
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:cleansing system, the immunity system,
the waste clearance system of the body.
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:We talked about the glymphatic system,
which is like the lymphatic system.
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:But for the brain.
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:We talked about alcohol, our liver, and
this week we are going to talk about
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:the dopamine system, but in a new way
that we haven't chatted about it before.
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:We've done quite a few episodes on the
dopamine system here on wellness fixes
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:the pod, so I'll link all of those below,
but you can also just scroll back through.
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:We have covered motivation, the
reward system, dopamine detoxes.
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:We have covered the
dopamine system extensively,
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:But what we haven't covered yet is
the dopamine system as sort of our
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:brain's engine, not necessarily just
its reward and motivation system.
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:Most people equate dopamine to pleasure,
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:but researchers in the Journal of
Molecular Science have described it more.
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:Accurately as the chemical responsible
for motor control, motivation, reward,
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:and cognitive function like your brain's
engine, not just it's reward button.
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:It is the neuromodulator in
your brain that makes things
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:feel like they are worth doing,
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:the wanting after certain things,
not just the having when you
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:actually receive that reward.
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:Dopamine is a neuromodulator,
meaning it doesn't just send signals.
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:It's actually in charge
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:of modifying your brain's
physical architecture over time.
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:this is why what you expose your
dopamine system to repeatedly actually
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:matters from a structural level.
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:When your dopamine system is working well,
you feel great in the morning, small wins
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:actually matter, and you can be present
without needing this constant input.
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:When it's worn down,
everything feels flat.
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:Nothing feels that motivating.
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:You can't focus and living your day-to-day
life just doesn't feel like enough.
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:And this is the part of the
dopamine system that we will
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:talk about spring cleaning today.
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:The part of the dopamine system that
is in charge of you reaching for
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:your phone when you are just sitting
alone, because you need some of that
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:input, some of that stimulation,
and I know we've all been there.
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:As a quick little story, my
husband and I took a trip to Asia
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:It was the most wonderful trip, but
anytime we go abroad, I'm always the one
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:We don't wanna have to pay for data
for two of our phones are international
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:data for two of our phones.
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:So my husband's phone is the one
that we always leave on because
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:I am terrible with direction,
so it just makes sense that.
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on airplane mode, the entire trip.
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:And at the start of the trip, I actually
hate it because I realize how often I'm
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:grabbing for my phone When I'm riding
the subway or just waiting for my meal
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:or waiting for my coffee, it acts as this
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:stimulus for awareness for how often I
actually grab my phone because I'll grab
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:it, And I'll realize that I can't just go
on social media or surf the web because
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for a,, how often I actually reach
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:for my phone when I am just sitting
alone and relatively bored, rather than
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:just sitting in that boredom and B,
by putting my phone on airplane mode,
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cleansing the system.
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:And let me tell you by like the second
or third day in, I feel amazing.
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:I love having my phone on airplane mode.
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:I love that it forces me to be more
present with where I'm at, especially
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:on vacation when I'm in a super
cool place like Seoul, Tokyo, Kyoto,
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:Kura, like exploring the world.
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:I love having my phone on airplane
mode to help sort of cleanse
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:this part of the dopamine system.
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:Our brains were not designed for this
constant stimulation from our phones.
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:your dopamine system evolved for a world
where rewards were spaced out and earned.
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:If we think about ancient history.
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:Things like finding food, making friends,
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:or doing some sort of physical activity
required purposeful, hard work and effort.
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:Which helped deliver a
meaningful dopamine response.
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:We actually had to work for some
of those rewards that we wanted,
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:and the reward was typically
proportional for the effort involved.
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:we now live in a world where we get
rewarded for constant low effort actions.
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:Every scroll, every like every refresh
of the page gives us more and more
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:of that stimulation with
little to no effort.
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:Research has shown that initially
when we open one of these social
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:media apps, that initial stimulation.
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:Causes a rise in dopamine, but this
constant overstimulation actually
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:causes the opposite effect to happen.
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:decreasing the number of
dopamine receptors and making
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:the dopamine receptors.
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:We do have less sensitive.
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tolerance the same phenomena that is
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:shown in substance addiction.
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:Where neuroimaging and brain
imaging studies have actually found
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:measurable, decreases
in brain dopamine levels
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:in people with long-term compulsive use.
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:Which is wild to think about because
I can vaguely remember when my
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:parents got a cell phone and if
they are considering that generation
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:long-term use, and it wasn't even
a social media cell phone, right?
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:It was one of those bar cell phones with
one, two, three actual buttons on it.
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compounding effects of what truly
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:Kids born into the social media
generation and the cell phone generation
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:versus long-term use is studied
by adults who got their first cell
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:phone at the age of like 25 or 30.
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:A 2023 review found that social
media actually thrives on
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:If you think of a slot machine, it is
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:that unpredictable reward placement.
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:Like randomly appearing likes
or ads or aesthetic content,
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:the intermittent nature, the randomness,
the unpredictability is the actual point.
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:Uncertain rewards create a stronger.
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:And we've talked about this before
when we dove into the science of how
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rewards placed throughout our
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we can't stop checking our phones.
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:Think of some of these design
features on your social media apps.
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:You have the Infinite Scrolls, so you're
constantly getting this low effort reward
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:The pull to refresh, to actually
refresh your Instagram, your
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mimics pulling on a slot machine.
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:The autoplay features on YouTube
or TikTok or Instagram removes
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one and keep your attention here.
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:You get variable notifications, so this
random, unpredictable nature of these
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to come back and check more frequently.
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:Researchers actually coined a
term for all of this in:
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public health concern
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platform transferring, and of
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that dopamine scrolling.
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and because the reward is variable
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over and over and over again,
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stimulation to feel the same thing.
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attention was not an accident.
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exploit the way your reward system works.
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:It's a slow dimming, and you've
probably already felt it.
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:Just like I had once I.
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my phone and had to take away some
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for international data.
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:You might resonate with my own
example, but you also might resonate
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scroll and feeling somehow worse than
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:The book that you used to love, that
you now cannot read for more than five
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:minutes eating while watching tv, because
eating alone with your own thoughts feels
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stimulation while you're eating a meal.
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:Sunday afternoons.
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and restful and zen.
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:This low grade constant inability to be
somewhere without reaching for your phone.
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:This inability to just sit with
yourself, sit in that boredom
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that used to make you happy no longer
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stage of this anhedonia.
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inability to feel pleasure.
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:They describe it as the result of what
they call an anti reward brain state,
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has been so dysregulated
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opposite of what the reward
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:They also found that things like chronic
stress and poor sleep actually feed in
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people can't seem to get out of.
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:That's not only perpetuated
by this low effort,
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pattern or behavior, but it's also
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:amplified by things we all probably
experienced at one point or another.
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:Sleep dysregulation and a chronic stress,
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the cruel irony is that the things
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with this dysregulation are often the
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:the scroll, the snack, the show, they're
all feeding in to this calibration issue,
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stimulus that the brain just adapts to.
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:Making real life feel
dimmer by comparison.
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:We've all experienced this, especially
in this age of cell phone use and
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:social media and all of the things
that we find inspiration from.
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:But if we rely on that too, too much, if
we do it compulsively, if we continue to.
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surrounding this low effort, multiple
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:It's going to wear down the system,
but worn down systems can be restored,
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:which is why we're talking about
spring cleaning the system today.
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to be reminded about.
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and forced outta this pattern
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:But if you guys also struggle
with this awareness, maybe when
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put your phone on airplane mode.
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:And I know so many people are better about
this than I am, but I was so grateful that
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was pretty much forced to put my phone on
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:airplane mode because it ended up being
one of the best ways to feel so much
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:presence and so much gratitude about the
experience I was experiencing right then.
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:So to spring clean this system,
it's not necessarily what you can
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:The way we help restore this
system's proper functioning
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:So the real ones, the ones we
want to enjoy, the ones we work
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:You are clearing out some of that
clutter so that those major moments
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:can feel that much more rewarding.
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:So here are some tools for
your toolbox if you are also
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:Number one, create daily
low stimulation windows.
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:The discomfort we feel when we sit without
our phones, whether we are waiting for our
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:friend at happy hour or even just sitting
after a meal is our brain recalibrating.
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:So try one meal a day without your phone.
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:One walk without headphones
driving, without a podcast
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:or your favorite album on.
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:That one's hard for me.
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:Doing dishes without a show on or some
sort of stimulation in the background.
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:A 2024 literature review found
that people who engage in these
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:reported reduced impulsive behaviors,
increased ability to focus on tasks
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:for longer periods, and feeling less
overwhelmed and more in control.
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:they also note that mindfulness
activities like meditation
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:have been shown to have positive effects
on this dopamine system regulation.
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:However extreme versions of these
low stimulation periods, so think
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:complete isolation or severe
restriction can actually backfire,
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:moderate, slow, and steady wins.
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:The race is truly the take
home message when it comes to
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:daily low stimulation periods.
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:The boredom is the actual point.
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:Sitting with it is what recalibrates
the system, and it takes practice,
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:but it is one of the tools for the
toolbox to spring clean this cyclical
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:pattern that we might find ourselves in.
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:You can think of it like physical
therapy for your reward system.
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:The second tool is to add friction
between you and your phone.
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:And Erin, who we chatted with back in
February, she is the habit coach and ex.
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talking about forming or breaking habits
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:to help us eventually reach our goals.
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:She talked about how she approaches
social media with multiple barriers.
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:So anytime she feels like going on
social media, she has to redownload
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:the app from the app store, re-log in
before she actually engages in that
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:behavior, which is providing two barriers.
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:Provides even more friction
between her and that activity.
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:So the second tool for
your toolbox is to actually
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:purposefully put in that friction.
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:Things like charging your phone outside
your bedroom, making yourself actually
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:search for the apps on your phone.
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:Or doing what Aaron does and just creating
multiple barriers before you partake in an
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:activity that might be feeding into this
dysregulation of your dopamine system.
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:the 2025 perspectives
of public health study.
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:I specifically found that ethical
nudging interventions or small design
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:changes that make social media less
accessible, like having to completely
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:download the app again, we're effective at
minimizing time spent on these platforms.
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:They also found that newsfeed
diets are actually auditing
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:what shows up in your feed
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:showed promise in reducing
these doom scrolling behaviors.
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:And all of these things work because
they bring possibly an unconscious
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:behavior into your consciousness
by letting your brain catch up to
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:something that might have become a
habit or just a compulsive behavior
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:that you revert to whenever you are
bored or need some sort of stimulation.
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:So with this tool, you're not
fighting your dopamine system, you
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:are redesigning your environment so it
doesn't get hijacked in the first place.
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:The third tool is probably my
favorite tool, but it is to
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:Social media might wear your doping system
down, but exercise helps to rebuild it.
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:Exercise is hard work.
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:It takes a lot of physical effort
to receive the reward of a completed
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:workout or reaching a certain body
composition or body recomposition
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:goal that you have, or reaching some
sort of longevity goal that you have.
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:So it makes sense that exercise
is one of the best recalibration
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:a 2022 study published in the Journal of
Neuroscience, found that exercise actually
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:increased straddle dopamine release, and
that effect persisted for up to seven days
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:after your last exercise training session
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:and all movement counts,
walking, dance, weights, any
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:The results of exercise
is an earned reward.
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:Exercise is that hard work and effort that
you have to put in to earn that reward.
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:Your body and brain knows the difference
between a cheap hit and a real one.
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:Exercise is one of the ways to
get a positive dopamine response
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of receptor downregulation.
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:Tool number four, one that we talked
about this spring cleaning series
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:It's a non-negotiable.
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:You can't possibly spring clean
a system that you are actually
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:destroying every night with poor sleep.
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:Our dopamine circuitry is
consolidated, reorganized, integrated
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ability to function is directly
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:Disrupted sleep doesn't
just make you tired.
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Your brain's ability to maintain
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a compounding issue here.
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:Not only does it actually affect the
quality of your sleep, your ability to
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phases and clean your brain like we
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but it also feeds into that compulsive
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:Low effort, multiple reward behavior
that we're trying to recalibrate.
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aspects of our health and wellness.
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also our dopamine system regulation.
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purposeful and more intentional, but
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:invest in higher effort rewards.
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:The goal is not to feel nothing
but to train our brains, to
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:feel things from real life.
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:To pull back from cheap stimulation
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:and replace it with things that require
high effort and deliver a real reward.
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:Learning something new, building
something, finishing something.
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:Having a real conversation,
getting outside, creating anything.
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:The reward system research consistently
distinguishes between this low
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:effort, high frequency reward, and
high effort, high value rewards.
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:The dopamine response to
these two types of rewards is
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:and the high effort, high value reward.
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:Kind does not produce the same receptor
downregulation that the low effort,
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:Over time, as the cheap stuff
decreases, the real stuff
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:And this is the actual spring clean, . Not
eliminating pleasure , but restoring
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:your ability to find it in real life.
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:You don't have to overhaul your
life or completely get rid of social
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:High frequency rewards, but I think I need
to be better about occasionally checking
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:in on my use and frequency of those things
compared to what are the things that I'm
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:actually creating, building, finishing
those high effort, high value rewards
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:that I want to recalibrate my brain with.
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:Or maybe it means I just need to
schedule intermittent multiple times
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:a year, international vacation, so I'm
forced to put my phone on airplane mode.
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:More eye-opening experiences
that I had while on vacation
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:was how much more comfortable.
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:I was just sitting with myself on the
subway, looking around, enjoying the
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:scenery, enjoying this experience that
I was getting on vacation because I
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between me and the use of my phone.
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:You've learned a little bit of a
different part of the dopamine system.
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:Again, I'll leave all of the links to the
dopamine system episodes that we've done
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out if you are interested in learning
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:more about how it actually works and
the brain mechanisms involved in our
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:dopamine system, because it is super
duper complex and we really only touch on.
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:One side of the equation the other
side is that movement quality side of
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:it that we haven't even touched yet.
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:But I learn so much anytime I research and
pull studies about the dopamine system.
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:And this is one take that I feel
like we haven't talked about on
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relatively recently in my mind after
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:my vacation, and I figured it was
perfect for the spring cleaning series.
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I'll see you guys again on the next
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