Laura and Xhafer discuss video games, classic cars, and really just about anything other than this episode of BSG. Laura's Southern upbringing makes an appearance. Xhafer wants to eliminate sleep from his life. This episode covers Battlestar Galactica Season 3, Episode 13: Taking a Break From All Your Worries.

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Quick content warning, listener.

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We've got an attempted

suicide in this one.

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I don't mean to sound excited about it.

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Uh, If that's something you

don't wanna listen to, just

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go ahead and skip this one.

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To be perfectly honest, I kind of

wish we could've skipped this one.

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next one's even worse, but you know,

just you know, if it's difficult to

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talk about, difficult to hear us talk

about, it's at the very beginning.

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So maybe you could just like

skip the first like five minutes

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after we start talking about

the episode, you'll miss it all.

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Or, you know, next week it'll be cool.

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We'll be here next week too.

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So, you know, just do you listener

know what you're getting in for?

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Laura: Take care.

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Xhafer: Hello and welcome to Who Are You?

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This is a reasonably well done sci-fi

watch cast hosted by two former

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strangers, now friends who are most

of the way through a bottle of wine.

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I'm Jair.

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Laura: And I'm Laura.

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I almost went and got a glass of wine

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Xhafer: It's not too late.

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Laura: I knew.

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Yeah, I, I knew you were, and I was like,

oh, maybe I should, but I don't know.

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It'll just make me feel bad and

sleepy and I don't want to, so

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Xhafer: I mean, it's, the

time we're done, it will be an

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appropriate time to go to bed.

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Laura: Yeah.

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But I really want to try to stay up

and watch Aaron play video games.

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I really want video games, so,

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Xhafer: What, what, what,

what are we playing right now?

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What's going on?

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Laura: oh, friend.

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Xhafer: Yeah, I, we haven't

talked about this in a minute.

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What's going on?

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Laura: No uh, because we haven't

played video games for a long time

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so long in fact that it was this time

last year that we played video games.

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How do I know?

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Because of the save dates on Dragon Age.

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Veil.

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Guard.

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Xhafer: Oh, we went back

to Dragon Age fail card.

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Laura: Yeah.

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We're still not done.

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Xhafer: I have, I have, I picked,

I dropped it maybe 15, 20 hours

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in and never picked it up again.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Really?

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Xhafer: It, the story did not grip me.

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Laura: Yeah.

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The story is a little harder in this one.

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Inquisition was like

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Inquisition was a solid game

and I, I think in, before Vegar,

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I thought Inquisition was the

weakest of the Dragon Age games.

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I love me and Dragon Age.

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Oh, dragon Age.

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Origins.

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The first one is so fucking good.

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Laura: Very good story.

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Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: Dragon age two

gets a lot of slack.

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I thought it was delightful.

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It's different.

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Laura: The story is good.

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I didn't like the gameplay as much.

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There was too much, like everything's

very fast and lots of waves of enemies.

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Yeah.

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Which Vegar is more like that than either

Origins or Inquisition was, in my opinion.

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Xhafer: I mean, the gameplay

did not really get me in.

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Veil Guard.

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The story could not keep me in veil

guard, and I've got like more than

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one play through of Inquisition under

my belt, and that is a long game.

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Laura: Me too.

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Xhafer: Um, I think I've got 200

percents on Origins in my life.

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Done.

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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I've done a lot of Origins.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: I don't think I've gone

back and played Dragon age two since

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release, to be perfectly honest, but

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Laura: And see I really

like the Dragon Age stories.

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Like I like the lore.

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I have, I think all of the books

that have been written like

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with deeper Dragon age lore.

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Xhafer: Have we not

talked about this before?

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I feel like we haven't gotten a Dragon Age

geek out on, but maybe a little bit last

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year when you were playing veil guard, but

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Laura: Yeah.

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I don't know if I told you that.

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I have all the books and there

is some stuff in Vail Guard that,

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because I've read the books, I'm

like, oh, this is so interesting.

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But Aaron had no idea 'cause

he hasn't read the books.

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Xhafer: I have not read the books,

but I have watched YouTube videos that

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tell me what happens in the books,

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Laura: Oh yeah.

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I should do that to like,

refresh myself on what happened.

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But I, I specifically remembered

like them, is this a spoiler?

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I don't know.

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It's in veil guard that, that the

gray wardens have griffins now.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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Oh

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Laura: They're griffins again and there

was a whole thing in the books about it.

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Xhafer: How they used to have Griffin's.

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Laura: yeah.

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And then, then I think they

found the nest where, where

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these griffins were in one of the

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Xhafer: I remember that part of the plot.

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Laura: Okay.

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Yeah.

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So there was, there was

more stuff about that.

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It was, it was good.

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Xhafer: the gray wardens, I mean, as

far as like fantasy hero groups go, I

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thought was one of the more interesting.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Gray wardens are pretty interesting,

especially 'cause it's like in

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Origins, the very beginning is

setting up kind of like we're this

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very like black and white scenario.

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And the gray wardens, even though

they're names are gray wardens,

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they're like the good guys.

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And then you get deeper

into it and you're like, oh,

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Xhafer: Yeah,

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Laura: yikes.

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Xhafer: yeah.

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It's a, it's a bit fucky, but they're fun.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: I mean, the Witcher

existed when that game came out.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: But was not nearly the popular

force that it would become later.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: Um, because those books,

I think were originally written

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in the eighties, the first couple.

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Like,

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Laura: They're, they're older than you

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Xhafer: yeah, the Witcher universe

is significantly other than you

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think, but there's lots of that

stuff kind of style of thing.

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It's not, I don't think it's

like, qualifies as like a ripoff.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I think the Witcher is darker, like

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Xhafer: the Witcher is darker and also the

Witcher is not as like, focused, right?

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Like Witchers are like,

we're monster hunters.

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We hunt all monsters.

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The gray wardens are like,

no, these demons are coming.

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Laura: Yes.

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Xhafer: And, and the idea of

like, uh, I, I don't know.

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It's a very visceral thing though, like

consuming your enemy to know them better.

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Laura: Uhhuh.

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Xhafer: Like,

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Laura: It will eventually

kill you because you did that.

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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That is how you will die.

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Oh, well if you're lucky,

that is how you will die.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: Um, yeah, it's,

it's very interesting to me.

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Uh, I thought it was a fun story.

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Dr.

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Origins was so good.

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Laura: I've, I really have been intrigued

by the, the whole Elvin storyline.

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and, you know, we just were so

freaking busy with school and stuff

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that we put it down and so now we're

trying to, trying to finish it.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: And you know, we're just

over here talking about Battlestar

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Galactica season three, episode 13.

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Taking a break from all your worries.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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We should probably talk about

that episode of Battlestar Go Act.

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Could is.

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Laura: I don't feel like it's actually

taking a break from my worries though.

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Like it's, it's distracting

me from the, the news.

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Right.

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But.

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Xhafer: I, it took me I mean I finished

my notes on this maybe 20 minutes ago.

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You know, and so I was writing my

notes get progressively as the bottle

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of wine gets lighter and later.

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Laura: Sure.

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Xhafer: My notes get sillier and sillier,

this is directed by Edward James Almos.

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I mentioned that at the

end of last episode.

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Laura: Oh, was the last one him too?

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Or

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Xhafer: No, that's this one.

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Laura: just this one?

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Okay.

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Okay.

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that's right.

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And I'll just enlighten the listener

that off pod, after we recorded the

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last one, J and I had a little talk

because watching this episode made me

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like irrationally angry at the show.

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Xhafer: I have a moment where I

think I know when it happened.

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Laura: Oh, okay.

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Yeah, I would love to pinpoint it.

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'cause I'm not even sure.

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I just like, finished my notes, turned off

the show and like slammed the remote down

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Did it go through the tv?

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Because I have a note at where I have

to ask you if you need a new TV and,

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Laura: I don't need a new TV yet.

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I did not throw anything at the tv, but I

would love to hear when you thought I did.

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and I just like turned to Erin and

I don't remember what I said it

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was, but it was something pretty

like hateful toward the show.

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Like I was mad and I was mad

for like 30 minutes as we're

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trying to get ready for bed.

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And I'm just like yelling about this

episode, not my favorite friends.

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Xhafer: so we open on some real

Star Wars style shots of Galactica.

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We're like holding on a planet

as the ship kind of like moves in

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in front of the planet and stuff.

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It's very Star Wars opening.

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I really appreciated this.

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I thought it was fun to

see them take that page.

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Laura: And I don't remember if it was

this shot in particular, but it was

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somewhere in this episode that they were

shooting Galactic, and I was like, Ooh.

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She's banged up a bit.

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Xhafer: We do.

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Yeah.

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I know the exact shot

you're talking about.

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There's an overhead shot of

Galactica where you can just see.

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It's been a couple of years.

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Yeah.

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Laura: the scars upon her?

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: That is a, that

is a growing storyline.

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They do a really good job of so in

the book, so say we all about the

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making of Battlestar Galactica, Ron

Moore goes on a small rant about how

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it's absurd that Voyager doesn't show

damage over the course of its journey.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: it's always this pristine

federation ship and the, all

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of the things that happened to

it are not shown on its hull.

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And how that always really bothered him.

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Laura: And fair, like,

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Yeah.

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Xhafer: And that is made manifest

directly in this show, like that

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complaint, like a handful of things of

this show where we're like, wouldn't

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it be cool, cool if Voyager did this?

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And it turned into this show.

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That is one of the bigger ones,

and that is something that we

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will see more and more and more

of until the end of the show.

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Laura: Yeah, she's not looking good.

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She needs some work.

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Xhafer: GAAS is singing a lullaby

to himself while slowly building

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himself a rope out of cloth straps.

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Laura: from his suit.

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It's like his suit jacket.

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You see the pin stripes and stuff.

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Gada wakes up in a cold sweat here as six.

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PT ties the knot as guys is

like, wait, I shouldn't do this.

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And look, I wanna make

something very clear here.

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Suicide isn't funny.

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If you're struggling with this, seek help.

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Know that someone out in the world

will miss you even if you're not

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aware of that person, if you're

not cognizant, if you think that's

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not true, I promise it is true.

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Get the help you need.

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don't, don't do it.

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Somebody

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Laura: 9 8 8.

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talk to

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somebody today.

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Yeah,

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Xhafer: please.

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but Gais is not hanging

himself to avoid justice.

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While a guard just

happens to not be looking.

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The Epstein jokes here,

write them fucking selves.

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I don't even have to do anything for you.

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Laura: look, there is a point

later in this whole episode.

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I don't know, fit.

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20 minutes, 30 minutes in

where Ty's like, oh, I'm gonna

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install some cameras in there.

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And I'm like, you fucking

don't say, you don't say

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Xhafer: What a genius fucking idea.

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Good

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Laura: the fuck.

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Xhafer: Ugh.

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So, uh, six BT lulls him to sleep

as he uh, he sees himself waking

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up in a s Resurrection pod.

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Laura: Oh, no, no, no.

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She, oh wait, are you

using a euphemism there?

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Xhafer: No, no, this is no.

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Gaas is literally, while he's

hanging himself, he sees there, he

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has a vision of himself waking up.

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Laura: Well, she doesn't

lull him to sleep.

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She kicks the bed out from

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Xhafer: Oh, well, yeah.

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She's singing the, like she's saying like,

you know, like breathe deep and stuff.

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Like she's trying to

like, get him to give up,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: but she does actually kick

the, the bed out from under him.

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And to tie that knot, which I have

questions about but we're not gonna

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worry about that for right now,

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Laura: Yeah.

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It's is six pt, real question mark.

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Xhafer: is Gaas just doing this?

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I mean, that typically is the case.

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We've seen other instances where

we've seen six PT do something,

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but then it cuts to reality and

Gaas is doing that thing, so,

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Laura: Yeah.

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Like him signing the the paper?

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The execution orders

or whatever they were.

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Xhafer: Um, and when he wakes up

in the Cylon resurrection pod.

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How much did you scream?

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Laura: I didn't, 'cause

I, I, I saw this coming,

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like, I was like, no, no.

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no.

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Yeah.

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I was like, there's no way this is

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Xhafer: Okay.

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I can probably skip my bit about asking

the listener to go to our merch store

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so that we can buy Laura a new TV then.

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Laura: Yeah, I di I

didn't fall for this one.

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Xhafer: Alright.

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Laura: I was, I'm still like, no way.

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There is no way guys is a silent to me.

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That would be the least

interesting thing you could do.

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Xhafer: Well, I, I agree and I

think the show makes a definitive

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statement about that in this episode.

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Laura: Yeah.

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'cause he's like waking up in the

pod and there's like sixes all around

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him and he is like, oh, thank God.

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Thank God I'm not a bad person.

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I was just doing what

I was programmed to do.

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I have no free will.

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Oh, thank God.

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And then they're like, actually no.

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They start like

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Cutting him up.

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a bit.

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Yeah,

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Laura: Yeah.

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And they're like, no,

you're just a deadass human.

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You dumb bitch.

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Uh, One goes to kiss him and it's

actually the guard giving him CPR.

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Xhafer: yeah, yeah.

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We uh, we come back to reality and

I'm guessing uh, gada who had gone

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to B our cell to be all like, Hey

uh, you lemme go talk to that guy.

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: And the guy was all like, fuck no.

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Laura: And then GA's, like,

look, look behind you.

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Is that supposed to be happening?

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So we make sure Gaius

isn't dead to theme here.

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Survivor count 41,000.

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403.

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This is up to

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Laura: yes.

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I would love to know why.

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Xhafer: Baltar and Herra,

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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Xhafer: but we also saw

two deaths last episode,

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Laura: That's what I was

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Xhafer: they couldn't

possibly have forgotten about

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Hillard and Sergeant Fisher.

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Right.

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There's no way they forgot

about those two guys.

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There's such important characters

to the mythos of the show, so there

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must have been two unseen births.

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It's the only thing that makes sense.

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Laura: mm-hmm.

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In this very short time.

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'-Cause you know,

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Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

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Laura: I don't know, guys could have,

because they talk about how he's been

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on a hunger strike and he might be

hallucinating and he might be like,

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suffering some ill effects from it.

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So it's like, okay, maybe there's,

maybe there\ is more than like a

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week that this has been going on

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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And I mean like.

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Any babies that are born right

now, were likely conceived on new

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Caprica and even possibly, I mean, they

would probably be conceived, I dunno

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how much time's passed since they've

been off of new Caprica at this point.

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Laura: I'm not sure either.

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Xhafer: um, but it's possible

that these children were conceived

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before the occupation even started

on New Caprica shortly before.

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But before,

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Laura: Mm-hmm.

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Xhafer: after this we come back and Tiro

brings Apollo to Joe's Bar the closest

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we are getting to Alando and Garibaldi

at the casino scene in this show.

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Laura: Yeah.

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I was like a bar, but then I was like,

okay, maybe I can get on board with

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that because like we've been on the

ship for a while, as long as we can

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keep this bar like relatively orderly

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and no fights.

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Xhafer: are made of kegs, which is

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Laura: Yeah.

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Xhafer: and it's like there's a raptor

hanging up in the corner and stuff,

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Laura: Yeah, that is kind of weird.

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Like, don't we need all our ships?

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Xhafer: right?

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Laura: I don't know.

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Maybe that one's just super dead.

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Xhafer: It is been

completely, it's just a shell.

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You'd still use bits of it though.

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Laura: You'd still use bits of

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Xhafer: When a wing gets blown off

and you need a new wing, you're

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gonna take the wing off that guy

and weld it onto the other one.

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Laura: Yeah.

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You're gonna go to the, the little

junkyard and get So have I, I've told

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the listeners about my dad's antique car.

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Right.

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Xhafer: I don't know if we've

talked about this, Laura.

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Laura: Okay.

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Okay.

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My

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Xhafer: we've been doing this for

years, so it's possible that I'm

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not remembering a conversation, but.

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Laura: my dad has a 1970 BMW 2002.

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2002 is like the model number.

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Like you'd, like, you would

have a three series now.

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Xhafer: I'm Googling this car while we're

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Laura: It's, it's classic.

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His is, um, the dark green.

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I think there were two shades of

green, like a light gross green

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from the

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Xhafer: this car.

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Laura: Yeah.

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All BMWs are kind of based

on this car at some level.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: Yeah, he has that, he has

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Now it's weird for me to say that

'cause it wasn't when I was a child.

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Um,

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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Laura: but I think he got it

when it was like five years old.

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It wasn't new to him, but

he's had it this whole time.

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But there was a period of time

when I was a teenager that,

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you know, things kept breaking.

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The odometers in particular broke a lot.

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And so he would be going to the junkyards

in Tulsa trying to find parts and

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stuff, and he bought someone else's.

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Light blue BMW 2002 that had like

totally died and it just sat in

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our front yard for him to pick

parts off of whatever he needed it.

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Xhafer: Hell yeah.

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Laura: So yeah, we were super classy.

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At least his like junk car for

picking parts was A-B-M-W-I

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guess.

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Xhafer: you to know that of

every conversation we've ever

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had, that's the most southern

thing I've ever heard you say.

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Laura: Right.

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But it's still weird 'cause it's A BMW

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years.

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That car sat there till

like I went to college.

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but he still got it.

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Xhafer: Fantastic

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Laura: I would like to know how

much it would cost to bury a minute.

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One day.

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'cause it's, it's very much his car.

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I don't think any of us wants it.

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But it is very cool.

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It is very cool.

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Xhafer: God bearing someone in a car,

that's gotta be a fucking nightmare.

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Laura: Right.

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Xhafer: And also like

an ecological disaster.

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Like make sure you drain that oil pan and

shit and everything out of there place.

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Laura: Sure, sure.

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Yeah.

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But that Raptor should be being

picked apart in the front yard,

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Xhafer: Right.

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Laura: not in the bar.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Is, is the bar gonna wind up?

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If this is too spoilery, you can

tell me, but is it gonna wind up

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being like a locale that we go to?

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Xhafer: I remember a couple of scenes

from stuff we haven't seen yet that

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I feel like happens at this bar.

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Laura: Okay.

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And this is just 'cause we don't

have cloud nine anymore, right?

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Like we need a

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new place.

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Place where people are decompressing.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I've, I don't

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Laura: fine I guess.

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Xhafer: that much about it.

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I know, I know that there's a

couple of things that happened,

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but I don't know when and how soon.

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That's a lie actually.

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I remember very distinctively, one

of them that's coming up, but I'm

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Laura: I could see Adama

allowing this at this point.

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Like I, we've had a bunch of shit go down.

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We'd have no more pleasure ship.

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Like, okay.

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They can have a place

to blow off their steam.

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As long as it doesn't become a problem.

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The second it becomes a problem.

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I'm taking it away.

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Children.

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Xhafer: Yeah.

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So, Thill and Callie are fighting.

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We find out,

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uh, they toast to marriage.

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The reason why we build bars.

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Okay, boomer.

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Oh wait.

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Her marriage is happy.

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So, and they're not here.

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Laura: Yeah, I was like,

that's a very boomer

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thing to

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say.

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Xhafer: better in my notes.

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Laura: No, no, no.

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I don't know why people do

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Xhafer: It's so fucking weird.

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It's so fucking weird.

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It's so, I don't know if it's just

like the modern sensibility of

507

making jokes about your marriage

being terrible, being just so blase,

508

Laura: Yeah,

509

Xhafer: or if it's really just so fucking

sad that I just don't have a way to just

510

deal with it because it is so fucking sad.

511

Laura: Mm-hmm.

512

And like.

513

In the eighties and nineties, that's

what married with Children was all about.

514

Like that was the whole

premise of the show.

515

And it's so weird to me.

516

I dunno.

517

Not my thing, not my thing.

518

But yeah, I wonder if the Cali and

cheer fighting is gonna come back.

519

I wonder if that's gonna be a thing

520

Xhafer: maybe

521

Laura: you're trying, trying out the,

522

the,

523

drop for the face.

524

Xhafer: the face.

525

Yeah,

526

like, like I said last episode,

it's not really, the visual medium

527

is lost on the listener, so.

528

Laura: Mm-hmm.

529

we cut to Coddle Tie and Rosalyn

and Gaa Gita's not really

530

in this discussion though.

531

He's just present, talking about Baltar's,

hunger strike maybe causing him to.

532

Be mentally and physically unwell?

533

Xhafer: Yeah, Rosalyn tells

him to force feed Gais.

534

Laura: yeah.

535

Xhafer: is, this is where Ty is

like, put a camera in that cell.

536

Like bitch.

537

Laura: Oh, okay.

538

It wasn't even as long as I thought.

539

I was like, come on, come on.

540

Like, 'cause I assume maybe this is

too strong an assumption, but you would

541

think that they would've made all the

cells like into cylon proof cells, like

542

as, as they were going, maybe they have

some that aren't, but I was like, you

543

gotta have cameras and all those bitches.

544

Xhafer: The only explanation I

will accept, and I've gone on

545

record as saying I hate doing this.

546

This is me making excuses for a

show and making things work for it

547

instead of it telling me how it works.

548

Is if they were worried about the

sidelines, being able to like hack

549

the cameras and get into other stuff,

550

Laura: Oh yeah.

551

Like you can use the camera

to network into something.

552

Xhafer: like even if that's

completely actually unreasonable

553

and they just didn't know.

554

Laura: Yeah.

555

Xhafer: There's no like thing that for

Boomer to plug into her fucking arm or

556

something, you know, in that camera.

557

But if they were worried about that,

so they didn't do it and that's

558

why there's no cameras in those

cells if they like took them out

559

when the sirens became a problem

because they were worried about it.

560

That is the only

explanation I will accept.

561

Unless you've got a good one, listener,

if you've got a good one getting

562

the discord and throw it at me and

563

Laura: Yeah.

564

Tell me.

565

I'd be happy to hear it.

566

'cause I was a little bit incredulous

at this, and maybe this is where

567

the, the show, the episode started

crumbling for me, but I, I don't know.

568

Um, but Ty's gonna go handle that

and Rosalyn is like, Hey, gada, why

569

were you, why did you wanna talk to

570

Xhafer: Why'd you wanna talk to Gaas?

571

Like if you, if you hadn't, if you

had a thing you'd tell me, right?

572

Like if there's a reason you wanna

talk to Gaas and not want us to know,

573

maybe go in the middle of the night,

you know, go see if it's going on.

574

Like, you'd say something, right?

575

Like you'd say the

576

Laura: if you were gonna try to

lie and say that you had clearance

577

to do that, like you would

578

Xhafer: Yeah.

579

It seems a little weird.

580

Seems a little weird.

581

Gata.

582

'cause we like barely trust you right now.

583

Like we know you were the informant,

but we don't really need to

584

trust you before that because

you're kind of working with 'em.

585

And if anyone kind of knew some shit,

I like you got some tell us, right?

586

You tell us.

587

Yeah.

588

You tell us.

589

You tell us.

590

Laura: Yeah.

591

And Daddy Adama says like,

Hey, stay out of this.

592

Xhafer: Get the fuck away from him.

593

Laura: Yeah, I mean it.

594

Xhafer: Lee gets home and he's

drunk as fuck, but I will call out.

595

He's straight Kirk in that

uniform, which I fucking love.

596

We don't see a lot of this

in Battlestar Galactica.

597

Now, listener, you might be

wondering what I mean when I

598

say straight Kirk in a uniform.

599

Laura: I might also be wondering.

600

Xhafer: Very specifically in the motion

picture era of the original series,

601

not the motion picture, but the Raton

forward, the big maroon uniforms.

602

They've got those double breasted

uniforms that go crossover.

603

Kirk will always leave a flap open

604

Laura: he's got the flap

605

Xhafer: and he's got a flap open

on a double breasted uniform.

606

This is straight Kirkin.

607

that's what this means to me.

608

This comes, I like, I've used

this a lot over the years.

609

but I, whenever I see someone in

this style of military uniform

610

and they've got the one flap open,

they'll forever be straight curing.

611

To me, that's, that's what this means.

612

So,

613

Laura: yeah.

614

And it looks good.

615

Xhafer: yeah.

616

Laura: It looks good.

617

Even though he's like drunk as

this gunk and Dee is like having

618

a very classy glass of wine and

like, working on her paperwork.

619

Xhafer: She's doing shit.

620

Laura: like, you, your boss, babe.

621

And it, while he's out here,

carousing at the bar with his buddies

622

and it's just like, kind of sad.

623

Xhafer: Yeah.

624

Laura: Just sad.

625

It's very chilly in this conversation.

626

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

627

It's not great.

628

Laura: She wants to have dinner,

like a real married couple

629

tomorrow and Lee's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

630

And immediately snoring.

631

Xhafer: am jealous of the

speed at which he falls asleep.

632

I know that he's like a

drunken fucking mess here.

633

Um, and to be honest I'm

about to finish this.

634

I think this is my fourth glass of

wine, so I'm kind of feeling it,

635

but my, my lips feel a little numb.

636

I don't know if I'm slurring.

637

I might be slurring a little.

638

No.

639

Okay.

640

Fantastic.

641

I'm glad I can keep my annunciation

in the state of inebriation.

642

Um, regardless I'm jealous

of how quick he falls asleep.

643

I don't fall asleep this quick,

even after I have A-C-B-D-T with

644

a little bit of bourbon in it.

645

Like it is impossible for me

to fall asleep this quickly.

646

And I'm someone who falls asleep quickly.

647

I found out.

648

Uh, So, you know, cool.

649

This is like immediate.

650

This is, this is the dream.

651

I hate sleeping.

652

I don't know if I've told you this.

653

I probably at some point, uh.

654

Laura: I mean, you've told

me about not dreaming.

655

Xhafer: Yeah, I don't really dream.

656

And so sleep holds very

little allure for me.

657

Um, I wake up feeling kind of

rested, but most of the time it's

658

when my sinuses catch up with me.

659

And so I always wake up

feeling a little miserable

660

Laura: Yeah,

661

Xhafer: it's just time that

662

Laura: We've been over this.

663

Xhafer: means nothing to me.

664

I don't get to experience anything.

665

I just kinda wake up the next

day and it's the next day.

666

And if I could eliminate sleep from

my life, I a thousand percent would.

667

Laura: You sound like

a tech bro right now.

668

Xhafer: I don't, it's, it's not even

like, oh, I would get so much work done.

669

Oh, I'd be doing all this stuff.

670

I'd be doing the international stock

market or none of that bullshit.

671

I might do a little bit

more around the house.

672

I'd read a thousand percent if,

like, if I did not need to sleep.

673

And the world still.

674

Shut down for eight

hours during the night.

675

I might have a favorite 24 hour diner

that I hit up every once in a while.

676

Laura: Yeah, that'd be fun, wouldn't

677

Xhafer: But mostly I would just read.

678

Laura: Uhhuh?

679

Xhafer: It's not like I can't

do much else with my time.

680

That sounds perfect to me.

681

In fact, if everyone were awake all the

time, I think I wouldn't like it as much.

682

Laura: Mm-hmm.

683

Xhafer: Just like, just a couple hours

a night just to like pick up my book

684

and read, which our book club died.

685

I'm sorry

686

Laura: Oh yeah.

687

Xhafer: We

688

Laura: Maybe we'll start booking again.

689

I.

690

Xhafer: I am in the middle of

trying to start one with some

691

of my college friends right now.

692

Laura: Uh huh.

693

Xhafer: much smaller group.

694

Much easier to kind of coerce them.

695

Laura: Do do you think it's

the Asimov that did it?

696

Xhafer: Well, I mean, Asim Moth

697

Laura: Asimov's a tough read.

698

Xhafer: a tough read.

699

maybe, I don't know.

700

Laura: I did read contact.

701

I just did it behind you guys

702

Xhafer: Yeah,

703

Laura: and that one was pretty good.

704

I was like, ah, I feel like a

more well-rounded person for

705

having consumed that book.

706

Xhafer: it's a good book.

707

Um, I got a couple on my two read list

right now, but, um, I am about to start

708

reading Doc by Mary Doria Russell,

709

Laura: Hmm.

710

Xhafer: which is a fictional book

based on the Real Person doc holiday.

711

Um, so it's kind of like

historical fictiony.

712

It's kind of based in reality, but

it is definitely not like nonfiction,

713

Laura: Yeah.

714

Xhafer: but I've got slow Gods and

there is no antiemetics division

715

in my two read list right now as

716

Laura: I like the title already.

717

It hooked me a little.

718

Xhafer: Yeah, they're both very noteworthy

sci-fi books that were published last

719

year that I just haven't read yet.

720

Laura: Yeah.

721

Cool.

722

Xhafer: Doc though, I dunno, listener,

if you wanna do book club with us, get

723

in the Discord and suggest a book, and

I'm sure a couple people will buy in.

724

Laura: Yeah.

725

Yeah.

726

And you know, if you just wanna

get in the discord to hate on this

727

episode with us, 'cause we keep

like talking about anything else,

728

Xhafer: We're almost 40

729

Laura: that's fine too.

730

Xhafer: time.

731

Uh, and we've literally just taken

any detour possible that rather

732

than talk about this episode,

which was honestly very similar

733

to the note taking process for me.

734

I think it took me about two and a half

hours to get through notes on this one.

735

Laura: Yeah, I mean, I, I did sat,

sat down and powered through it, but

736

I was mad about it when I was done.

737

Xhafer: I tried at like 3:00 PM I

wanna say I had finished getting

738

the second coat of paint up in the

room that I've been remodeling of

739

primer and drywall sealant and stuff.

740

'cause I've spent my morning sanding

drywall, which fucking sucks.

741

By the way, if you've never sanded

drywall, pay a professional.

742

Laura: Yeah.

743

I, I did it during my volunteer service

when I was a student in New Orleans.

744

'cause we were like

rebuilding houses in St.

745

Bernard Parish in the Ninth

Ward and stuff, you know, for

746

people who maybe didn't have

resources for the professional.

747

So they got volunteer

college students instead.

748

And it sucks.

749

Yeah.

750

Xhafer: I, you can actually

see right behind me.

751

My breather and my safety, my PPE

hanging out, that breather has been

752

with me for this whole project so far.

753

And those are fresh things on it.

754

I am terrified to cr I'm gonna crack

'em open in a day or two here and see

755

how much shit didn't go into my lungs.

756

Laura: Yeah.

757

Xhafer: And I'm kind

of scared 'cause I did

758

Laura: It's gonna be a lot.

759

Yeah.

760

Xhafer: 500 some pounds of

insulation in my attic with that

761

breather as part of all this

762

and all kinds of shit.

763

I've done a bunch of fiberglass work.

764

drywalling.

765

It's been disgusting.

766

So

767

yeah.

768

Maybe I'll take a

769

picture.

770

Put it into the discord.

771

Laura: Hey, speaking of disgusting,

we're gonna go back to Gaas now.

772

Xhafer: Oh yeah.

773

Perfect.

774

I don't know where we are in

this fucking episode anymore.

775

Laura: So Rosalyn gives gaas his glasses

776

Xhafer: Yeah.

777

She brings him his glasses mirroring what

he did when she was in jail on new capa.

778

Laura: Mm-hmm.

779

She says she doesn't wanna see him suffer,

780

and he's looking very

781

jesusy.

782

Xhafer: She lights a J

and passes it over to him.

783

I thought that was classy.

784

Laura: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

785

And she doesn't wanna see him suffer,

but he's very looking like Jesus.

786

Xhafer: She questions him not just

about new caprica, but old Caprica

787

and working with the CYS back then,

788

Laura: Uh huh.

789

Xhafer: and she is just the most

pissed this degradates very quickly

790

to her throwing pictures of dead

people from new Caprica at him.

791

Laura: Yeah.

792

Xhafer: Who took these photos?

793

Laura: I mean, they had to be

people in Baltar's administration.

794

Maybe they were just

sitting on uh, colonial one,

795

Xhafer: Oh,

796

Laura: you know, and that she

went through all his shit.

797

So she's seen him.

798

That makes a lot of sense to me.

799

I'm, I'm willing to buy that.

800

Xhafer: Do you think they, I

mean, they clearly have digital

801

camcorders, but I don't know

that we've seen a digital camera.

802

Laura: yeah.

803

Hmm.

804

They gotta be there though.

805

Xhafer: Anyways tells 'em, well, she

tells Ty that it's time for the airlock

806

invoking the Roslyn directive here.

807

Time to airlock this guy.

808

Laura: Yeah.

809

Maybe this is where I started

to turn on the episode.

810

No, I don't know because I was like,

this is too early in the episode.

811

Clearly we're not going through with this

and I don't think it's gonna do anything.

812

And hey, guess what?

813

It doesn't.

814

Xhafer: Yeah.

815

You called that.

816

Laura: Yeah, they're like dragging

him to the airlock and he's

817

screaming about a fair trial, which

is like, again, super rich guy.

818

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

819

Laura: Like how many people got

a fair fucking trial on New Kep?

820

A guy.

821

Okay.

822

And you were, you were okay.

823

I know that he wasn't in charge anymore,

but he was ostensibly in charge.

824

He should understand this better

than anyone that, like I am probably

825

the one guy who doesn't get a fair

trial and that's how it's gonna go.

826

Like if, if anybody doesn't get

a fair trial, it's gonna be me.

827

Xhafer: Yeah.

828

Laura: She's dragging him past the wall

with the lost and asking if he knew any of

829

these people who suffered because of him.

830

'cause she's pretty sure that his

involvement with six got them something.

831

And he grabs a picture of someone and

says, that used to be his lab assistant

832

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

833

Laura: and that this person, he

introduced him to his wife and

834

he would never hurt this guy.

835

And they keep pulling

him onto the airlock.

836

Anyway I, I,

837

Xhafer: right?

838

Laura: yeah.

839

I was like, do you, do

you believe any of this,

840

Xhafer: Not

841

Laura: like.

842

Not a word because like how

many millions of people were

843

supposed to have been on Caprica

844

Xhafer: Yeah.

845

Laura: and this one random guy on

Galactic's Wall was your lab assistant

846

Xhafer: Also like, so does this mean

that someone else knew this dude?

847

So someone else survived who happened

to know this dude and put this up?

848

Laura: Uhhuh?

849

Xhafer: Which is somehow more believable

than Guy is putting this photo up.

850

Laura: Mm-hmm.

851

Yeah.

852

Gaas didn't put this

853

photo

854

Xhafer: exactly.

855

Yeah.

856

It's, it, this has gotta be

857

Laura: It, it makes me want for

Rosalyn to be like, okay, I'm gonna

858

find who on the ship knew this guy

859

and see exactly what they say about him.

860

Xhafer: Yeah.

861

Laura: That'd be super fun,

super petty, and I'm here for it.

862

Xhafer: Yeah.

863

they carry him off.

864

We cut over to Adama's office where we

find they didn't airlock him, and we

865

need a weird plot with him still, Laura.

866

What weird plot do you think

we're gonna get with Gaas if

867

he makes it to season four?

868

Laura: Am I supposed to make

up a new weird plot with Gaas?

869

Xhafer: Yeah, just make up

a new weird plot with Gaas.

870

We just need a new one for season four.

871

Go ahead and pitch

something for me real quick.

872

Laura: Mm, GAAS sleeps with car rice

873

Xhafer: Oh, that's

874

Laura: again.

875

That's already happened.

876

Okay.

877

Wait.

878

And he was kind of in love with her.

879

Damn.

880

I was gonna say he's in love with her now.

881

And six PT was already kind of mad about

882

that.

883

Leo opens very obsessed with Karath race.

884

Xhafer: Yeah.

885

Laura: What if they're

both like vying for Kara

886

Xhafer: You want Lee open

and gais to both vie for Kara

887

Laura: to be like trying to love triangle,

but Kara doesn't want either of them.

888

That would be kind of funny

889

for me.

890

Xhafer: funny.

891

Laura: Hmm.

892

Xhafer: Anyways uh, PAMA

has an idea here though.

893

They have this super anxiety serum.

894

I wonder if this is

895

just millennial blood

896

Laura: magic millennial blurred.

897

Xhafer: and just, just

magic millennial blood.

898

Laura: Yeah.

899

Yeah.

900

Let's just do a little light,

little light war crime and

901

you know, whatever.

902

Let's just give him, give

him some really bad anxiety.

903

Let's take away his Lexapro.

904

Xhafer: After this we cut over to Kara

Anders, where they talk about Carra and

905

her special destiny and how it sounds

like a cover band, and you'll be pleased

906

to know I checked and I found a cover

album named Carra and Her Special Destiny.

907

It has a single cover of a new order

908

Laura: That's fun.

909

Xhafer: I listened to it.

910

I prefer the original.

911

Laura: Okay, that's fair.

912

Xhafer: It's not a good

cover, but I'm glad it exists.

913

Laura: I'm, I'm liking my made up

storyline a little more now 'cause I

914

was thinking about how like Anderson

Lee are kind of like to good with

915

quotations, like male characters vying

for her attention, and if she gets

916

stuck with the two bad ones later, that

would be kind of, she would kind of, I

917

mean, nobody deserves Leo or Gais, but.

918

Xhafer: Yeah,

919

Laura: She's kinda kind of

running out a lot of her goodwill

920

on these two individuals.

921

we'll talk more about that at

the end of the episode though.

922

Yeah.

923

He asks her if she loves Lee

924

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

925

Laura: she's like, maybe, and Andrew's

just like, well, if you love him

926

then you should go be with him.

927

Go away.

928

You know?

929

Xhafer: go do that instead, please.

930

Laura: Yep.

931

So then we got a flippy floppy and

find out what's going on with Lee Lee.

932

Xhafer: Mm.

933

They just get back from dinner here.

934

Laura: Oh, are they getting back from

935

Xhafer: I assume based off of their dress

936

Laura: Oh, I thought he

was just getting home

937

and he's like, I'm gonna go

to the bar instead of dinner

938

Xhafer: Oh, fuck him.

939

Oh,

940

Laura: I, I thought that's what it was.

941

Xhafer: honestly, it could be either way.

942

I don't think they say anything about it.

943

And if it's them, him getting off of work

and she's getting ready for dinner and

944

he goes to the bar, then just fuck him.

945

Laura: I, I think that's it.

946

I think maybe he's like, I'm just gonna go

have a drink before dinner, or he's just

947

forgotten and he's not going to dinner,

948

Xhafer: Honestly, we, given the way

that he handles the rest of this,

949

just fuck him anyways, because he's

all like, there's no problems here.

950

The only problem is your insecurity.

951

Fuck you,

952

Laura: man.

953

I was very, very angry at that.

954

Xhafer: as you should be.

955

Laura: I mean, projection, much

956

Xhafer: Right.

957

Laura: and she's really.

958

Smart here.

959

Like, she seems to be like, yeah, maybe

I am a little insecure or whatever,

960

but she's like, this is pointless.

961

This marriage is a lie

962

and I'm ready to leave it like

963

This This is dumb.

964

And she's right,

965

Xhafer: Yeah.

966

Laura: this is pointless

and they should leave it.

967

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

968

Laura: But Anders is trying to

leave and specs won't let him.

969

Xhafer: Yeah.

970

Laura: but he, he does get away from her.

971

He says I that he loves her and

gives her back her dog tags.

972

Xhafer: I just wanna note in my notes

right here, I say I much like Lee

973

need a drink after this, which is

actually when I went and opened the

974

bottle of wine that I'm now through.

975

Laura: that you're still going

through because you still need

976

to drink about this stupid show.

977

About the stupid episode.

978

Yeah.

979

Xhafer: Yeah.

980

But I, so yeah, Anders leaves her

dog tag and her ring with her.

981

Uh, But I want you to know as this

scene happens, they, they have a,

982

a, a kind of passionate kiss here

983

Laura: Mm-hmm.

984

Xhafer: and Beth, unaware

of the greater plot here.

985

Having not seen season three of Battlestar

Galactica walks in and goes, just shouted,

986

damn, that was some mouth fucking,

987

Laura: Yeah.

988

Okay.

989

Sure.

990

Xhafer: when I explained

the plot around it

991

Laura: Yeah.

992

Xhafer: sadder very quickly.

993

Laura: It is very sad.

994

Just like Baltar insisting that

he's a human being who has rights.

995

Xhafer: Yeah, that doesn't matter though.

996

As Coddle gets the millennial

blurred ready as they put him the

997

thing from a clockwork orange,

998

Laura: Yeah.

999

This head strap and

00:42:52,294 --> 00:42:52,774

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:42:53,104 --> 00:42:57,307

Uh, Baltar's, mental state here

is visualized by him floating

00:42:57,347 --> 00:42:59,447

alone in a great body of water.

00:42:59,717 --> 00:43:01,637

That totally isn't a hot tub, guys.

00:43:04,982 --> 00:43:07,472

Laura: He's doing he's

doing the Christ again.

00:43:07,487 --> 00:43:08,267

Xhafer: a big hot tub.

00:43:09,152 --> 00:43:14,462

Laura: Yeah, he's he's doing the

Christ full on, arms out, legs out.

00:43:14,732 --> 00:43:17,852

He's even wearing like

a linen blend shirt.

00:43:18,557 --> 00:43:18,917

Xhafer: Yeah,

00:43:18,992 --> 00:43:19,172

Laura: Like

00:43:22,202 --> 00:43:22,682

Okay,

00:43:23,297 --> 00:43:25,487

Xhafer: a bit much air quotes.

00:43:26,372 --> 00:43:26,732

Laura: Yes.

00:43:27,812 --> 00:43:28,772

Especially 'cause we've.

00:43:29,102 --> 00:43:34,112

Done this before, but I suppose

all this has been done before and

00:43:34,112 --> 00:43:35,402

will happen again and whatever,

00:43:35,402 --> 00:43:35,762

so

00:43:36,047 --> 00:43:37,127

Xhafer: That is, kind of the thing.

00:43:37,497 --> 00:43:42,927

Kara s Lee, if she leaves Sam,

if he'll leave Dee like, bitch,

00:43:43,077 --> 00:43:45,597

didn't you both just get left?

00:43:48,007 --> 00:43:52,332

Laura: And this is so, this is so stupid.

00:43:52,887 --> 00:43:59,307

Xhafer: So I hate this scene, but I love

how this scene was shot because they're in

00:43:59,307 --> 00:44:04,017

the like pilot debriefing room and there's

something on the projector and it's

00:44:04,017 --> 00:44:08,637

putting these blue and red lights on their

face and it feels very blade runner to me

00:44:08,997 --> 00:44:13,857

in a way that can't be on accident for an

episode directed by Edward James Almos.

00:44:14,507 --> 00:44:14,797

Laura: true.

00:44:14,827 --> 00:44:15,117

Yeah.

00:44:17,247 --> 00:44:20,967

Xhafer: And so I'm like, okay, like

I hate this scene and everything

00:44:20,967 --> 00:44:23,397

that's happening right now because

I hate what the characters are

00:44:23,397 --> 00:44:25,227

doing to each other and themselves.

00:44:25,827 --> 00:44:29,097

But I can also recognize this

is a very well shot scene.

00:44:29,492 --> 00:44:29,762

Laura: Yeah.

00:44:30,201 --> 00:44:33,789

And the, the content of

what's happening, like

00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:40,089

Lee was the one who was like, we

should, we should do this the right way.

00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:42,039

We should leave our spouses,

we should be together.

00:44:42,099 --> 00:44:47,709

And now Kara is actually proposing that

and he's like, oh, but you're so fickle.

00:44:47,799 --> 00:44:48,789

Are you just going to

00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:49,779

leave

00:44:49,884 --> 00:44:50,364

Xhafer: you, Lee.

00:44:50,604 --> 00:44:51,744

I fucking hate Lee.

00:44:52,509 --> 00:44:53,589

Laura: I'm so mad.

00:44:53,799 --> 00:44:54,729

I'm so mad.

00:44:55,509 --> 00:45:00,039

This plot is a lot of my

mad about this episode.

00:45:00,369 --> 00:45:02,019

It's not all of it, but it's a lot of it.

00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:02,814

Xhafer: That's fair.

00:45:03,714 --> 00:45:04,704

That's very fair.

00:45:05,799 --> 00:45:06,279

Laura: Yeah.

00:45:06,339 --> 00:45:09,219

So Starbucks storms off and we're

just gonna do this all over again.

00:45:09,219 --> 00:45:12,159

We're just gonna do the

dance all over again.

00:45:12,189 --> 00:45:15,009

Like the, the actual dancing,

not the boxing dancing.

00:45:17,214 --> 00:45:19,463

Xhafer: Over in Baltar's, mindscape.

00:45:19,463 --> 00:45:22,403

Adama calls out to him

to save him in his mind.

00:45:23,103 --> 00:45:26,763

But he relives the detonation

on Caprica when he turns on

00:45:26,763 --> 00:45:29,163

the light and defends himself.

00:45:29,163 --> 00:45:35,853

Still, he yells causing the nurse who

looks a lot like a six, but isn't,

00:45:36,873 --> 00:45:37,953

Laura: Oh, yeah.

00:45:38,043 --> 00:45:42,123

Xhafer: they did a really, really

good job with casting this person.

00:45:42,393 --> 00:45:44,793

Laura: I, I missed that

part while taking notes.

00:45:45,003 --> 00:45:45,513

Yeah.

00:45:45,573 --> 00:45:50,823

Xhafer: I had to like, 'cause there was

a minute where like, I only saw it in the

00:45:50,823 --> 00:45:53,223

step back where she knocks over this stuff

00:45:53,763 --> 00:45:53,943

and

00:45:54,183 --> 00:45:54,933

Laura: heard the knock

00:45:54,933 --> 00:45:55,233

over.

00:45:55,353 --> 00:45:57,363

Xhafer: I was just like,

is that Trisha Helfer?

00:45:57,483 --> 00:46:01,113

Did they like dress her up, like

Gina or something to do this scene?

00:46:01,683 --> 00:46:04,083

Like, and just not address it at all?

00:46:04,758 --> 00:46:06,168

That'd be so interesting.

00:46:06,618 --> 00:46:09,738

And then I like paused and then

it's all like, no, it's not her.

00:46:09,738 --> 00:46:13,998

And then they show her actually in focus

in like five minutes in the scene anyways.

00:46:14,508 --> 00:46:18,378

But yeah, it took me like five tries

to like get it paused perfectly.

00:46:18,378 --> 00:46:21,958

I actually took a screen cap

of it and I will I'll send

00:46:21,958 --> 00:46:23,068

that over your way right now.

00:46:23,668 --> 00:46:24,058

Laura: all right.

00:46:24,088 --> 00:46:28,670

Xhafer: I'll go ahead and post

that in in the Discord Right

00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:36,110

Current with pono spoilers.

00:46:36,185 --> 00:46:36,775

There we go.

00:46:37,944 --> 00:46:43,644

Look at how much this actress looks like

Tricia Helfer, but is not Tricia Helfer.

00:46:44,664 --> 00:46:45,264

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:45,894 --> 00:46:47,094

I totally missed that.

00:46:47,094 --> 00:46:48,594

There was a nurse, like right there.

00:46:50,064 --> 00:46:52,824

Xhafer: Yeah, that's who knocks over

the shit, which causes him to like,

00:46:52,824 --> 00:46:54,744

think that there's explosions and stuff.

00:46:55,404 --> 00:46:55,914

Laura: Yeah.

00:46:55,944 --> 00:46:56,454

Yeah.

00:46:56,484 --> 00:47:00,114

He, before this, he was like,

because Rosalyn is being very

00:47:00,474 --> 00:47:03,594

direct about, did you conspire to.

00:47:04,436 --> 00:47:07,346

Destroy Caprica or the colonies.

00:47:07,826 --> 00:47:12,386

And he's, I mean, he's giving them

information and that he's like, well,

00:47:12,386 --> 00:47:15,986

conspiracy means that I had an intent

to do it and I didn't intend anything.

00:47:16,136 --> 00:47:16,466

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:17,216 --> 00:47:19,046

I intended to get fucking rich and famous.

00:47:20,382 --> 00:47:20,772

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:21,206 --> 00:47:24,686

Uh, So he's can't be responsible

because his intent was fine.

00:47:24,806 --> 00:47:25,016

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:47:25,956 --> 00:47:27,306

Laura: Intent over impact.

00:47:27,576 --> 00:47:28,116

Xhafer: Right.

00:47:29,536 --> 00:47:34,406

He ends up screaming out in many

voices here which is a weird

00:47:34,406 --> 00:47:35,666

choice, Eddie, but it works.

00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:36,549

Laura: Yeah.

00:47:37,659 --> 00:47:45,772

And he's doing some rambling too about

like, it, that six, capric six chose him.

00:47:46,402 --> 00:47:47,662

I don't think he calls her that.

00:47:47,662 --> 00:47:50,062

I think he just refers

to as her, she chose me.

00:47:50,722 --> 00:47:55,042

And he doesn't know if she's an angel

or a demon or real or inside his head.

00:47:55,042 --> 00:47:58,762

And I was like, well, I'm glad

'cause none of us know either.

00:47:59,002 --> 00:47:59,362

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:47:59,362 --> 00:48:02,392

You we're all kind of

in that same boat, Gais.

00:48:02,662 --> 00:48:03,112

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:03,892 --> 00:48:08,032

But I, I was just like, when, when

we started this whole scene, I

00:48:08,452 --> 00:48:08,602

Xhafer: Mm-hmm.

00:48:09,374 --> 00:48:15,349

Laura: was like, oh, fucking goody

more fucking Gaia hallucinations.

00:48:15,379 --> 00:48:16,879

Just what I wanted.

00:48:17,209 --> 00:48:18,199

Xhafer: You had asked for that.

00:48:18,799 --> 00:48:22,249

You had actually gone out of your way

and complained to me off pot about how

00:48:22,249 --> 00:48:24,199

there haven't been enough hallucinations

00:48:24,469 --> 00:48:25,099

Laura: Yeah.

00:48:25,489 --> 00:48:26,509

I just need more.

00:48:26,779 --> 00:48:27,919

Just gotta have more.

00:48:28,819 --> 00:48:30,529

Xhafer: I'm glad we could

get that in for you.

00:48:34,051 --> 00:48:36,811

Lee Toys with his wedding ring at the bar.

00:48:37,411 --> 00:48:38,221

Yikes, bro.

00:48:40,141 --> 00:48:44,791

Tyrell approaches questioning why

things can't go back to normal.

00:48:45,991 --> 00:48:46,501

Laura: I don't know.

00:48:46,501 --> 00:48:47,536

Tyrell, why do you think

00:48:48,121 --> 00:48:51,841

Xhafer: Well, if it wasn't the

living in space and constant fear

00:48:51,841 --> 00:48:56,041

of annihilation while surviving

two diaspora and a genocide, I'd

00:48:56,041 --> 00:48:59,071

say it's drinking your problems

away instead of dealing with them.

00:48:59,071 --> 00:49:00,061

That's not helping.

00:49:04,681 --> 00:49:04,971

Laura: Yeah,

00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,279

Lee gets really personal

00:49:07,309 --> 00:49:07,729

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:12,109

Laura: and asks if Tyrell

ever thinks about Sharon.

00:49:12,694 --> 00:49:18,214

Xhafer: Now he's all like, Hey, you know,

I'm thinking a lot about my ex-girlfriend.

00:49:18,214 --> 00:49:20,614

Do you ever think about

your ex-girlfriend?

00:49:21,214 --> 00:49:26,134

The situations here are very,

very, very, very, very different.

00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:28,279

Laura: Agreed.

00:49:28,339 --> 00:49:28,849

Like

00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:38,269

it's kind of seems like teal's like no,

his very firm hard no on this is what kind

00:49:38,269 --> 00:49:41,089

of what pushes Lee into the next step.

00:49:41,509 --> 00:49:45,345

But it's like I get that

Kara is being a little toxic.

00:49:45,645 --> 00:49:50,145

Like she's being, yeah, she's

being pretty toxic, but she

00:49:50,145 --> 00:49:52,395

didn't try to murder your dad,

00:49:52,740 --> 00:49:53,070

Xhafer: right?

00:49:53,415 --> 00:49:55,725

Laura: boomer tried to murder your dad.

00:49:56,220 --> 00:49:57,210

Xhafer: It's fucked.

00:49:58,695 --> 00:50:01,035

Laura: Those two things

are just not the same.

00:50:01,110 --> 00:50:03,930

Xhafer: They are not,

not even a little bit.

00:50:04,575 --> 00:50:08,115

Laura: Like, and not only did

did Boomer try to murder his dad,

00:50:08,145 --> 00:50:14,805

but she like also was on silent,

occupied new Caprica as an occupier.

00:50:16,065 --> 00:50:18,700

Xhafer: She was there doing the occupying,

00:50:19,350 --> 00:50:23,790

Laura: The, the kind of toxic

that Kara is and the kind of bad

00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:25,800

that boomer is, are not the same,

00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:26,640

Xhafer: no,

00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:31,380

Laura: but he's doing a false

equivalency in his head of like, oh,

00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:33,210

well, if Tiro can do it, I can do it.

00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,400

And it's like, no, they're,

they're not the same.

00:50:36,090 --> 00:50:36,420

It's not

00:50:36,420 --> 00:50:36,720

the same.

00:50:38,958 --> 00:50:41,298

Xhafer: Back to Baltar, he

makes an argument for having

00:50:41,298 --> 00:50:43,513

always been a background player.

00:50:45,133 --> 00:50:45,483

Laura: Uhhuh

00:50:45,888 --> 00:50:47,013

Xhafer: Can't blame me.

00:50:47,403 --> 00:50:51,123

I was just to have round, I

didn't make any decisions.

00:50:52,075 --> 00:50:52,345

But

00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,100

Laura: he didn't intend anything.

00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:55,570

He didn't, he didn't intend anything.

00:50:56,095 --> 00:50:56,545

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:50:57,385 --> 00:51:00,925

Baltar says they weren't at the temple

to find Earth, but rather he was

00:51:00,925 --> 00:51:06,145

trying to identify the Final five cylon

models, which sparks some like, oh

00:51:06,145 --> 00:51:10,675

shit, maybe we could get that out of

him from Adama and Roslyn real quick.

00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:11,380

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:11,380 --> 00:51:11,770

Except that.

00:51:12,295 --> 00:51:14,455

He didn't ever actually get that.

00:51:14,725 --> 00:51:15,175

Xhafer: Yeah.

00:51:15,815 --> 00:51:20,555

He sees himself floating again in

his silent resurrection pool, but

00:51:20,555 --> 00:51:24,245

this time being touched by all

the dead kids from New Caprica,

00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:25,380

Laura: Yeah.

00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:27,090

What of little dead kids

00:51:27,300 --> 00:51:27,360

Xhafer: of

00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:27,900

Laura: like,

00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,800

Xhafer: dead kids.

00:51:28,950 --> 00:51:30,270

Laura: like zombie arms?

00:51:30,540 --> 00:51:31,050

Xhafer: Yep.

00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:32,400

Laura: No.

00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:32,610

Good.

00:51:33,210 --> 00:51:34,740

Xhafer: Yeah, it's a lot.

00:51:35,010 --> 00:51:36,420

He does acknowledge though.

00:51:36,420 --> 00:51:38,610

He knows he is not a silent

00:51:39,510 --> 00:51:39,930

Laura: Mm-hmm.

00:51:40,830 --> 00:51:41,250

Yeah.

00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:43,860

Rosalyn asks point blank, are you asylum?

00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:44,760

He says, no.

00:51:45,090 --> 00:51:48,720

And, and it's interesting 'cause

that's when the, the dead children

00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:51,750

also pull all their hands back

from the resurrection pool.

00:51:52,590 --> 00:51:54,480

So I was like, is that

trying to tell me something?

00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,260

I don't, I don't know.

00:51:55,380 --> 00:51:57,480

Xhafer: I mean, I think the

visual language there is that

00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,100

the cys welcome each other.

00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:59,610

Right.

00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:05,460

And so he's, he's not being welcomed

by humanity or the cys by that.

00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:05,970

I don't know.

00:52:08,424 --> 00:52:12,594

Laura: He's also not dead, so

they can't really welcome him.

00:52:12,594 --> 00:52:17,124

These dead humans can't really welcome

him because like he's not gonna die

00:52:17,229 --> 00:52:21,159

Xhafer: we can just uh, you know, at

STLV, they, they've really been bringing

00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:22,479

the Battlestar people around lately.

00:52:22,479 --> 00:52:25,449

Maybe we can just ask them, you know,

just like get in line and go up like, Hey.

00:52:25,869 --> 00:52:26,919

Um, hi.

00:52:27,009 --> 00:52:27,519

Hi, Mr.

00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:28,089

Omas.

00:52:28,419 --> 00:52:34,439

Um, I was just wondering in season three,

episode 13 of Battlestar Galactica,

00:52:34,499 --> 00:52:39,839

which you had directed, um, there's a

moment where Gais Baltar is in the S

00:52:40,409 --> 00:52:45,059

resurrection pool, but he's surrounded

by dead children from New Caprica.

00:52:45,389 --> 00:52:48,869

And when he says he knows

he's human, they ignore him.

00:52:49,139 --> 00:52:52,289

Are you trying to say that

these kids are silents.

00:52:53,009 --> 00:52:56,069

I don't know what's going on here, and

I would really like you to explain.

00:52:56,819 --> 00:52:58,259

I'll take my answer at the bar.

00:52:58,621 --> 00:52:58,911

Laura: Yeah,

00:53:01,636 --> 00:53:01,906

exactly.

00:53:02,311 --> 00:53:03,241

Xhafer: Steal that bit.

00:53:03,481 --> 00:53:04,441

It's a great bit.

00:53:05,041 --> 00:53:05,881

Laura: It's a good bit.

00:53:06,451 --> 00:53:08,551

Also works really well for Battlestar.

00:53:08,671 --> 00:53:09,451

Xhafer: of my favorites.

00:53:14,551 --> 00:53:15,391

Laura: Yeah.

00:53:16,171 --> 00:53:16,681

Yeah.

00:53:17,221 --> 00:53:18,421

So let's see.

00:53:18,421 --> 00:53:22,351

Adama wants to know what he told

the silences or he's gonna let

00:53:22,351 --> 00:53:25,471

him go, but one of the dead girls.

00:53:25,471 --> 00:53:29,821

Submerges Gaas in the goo

and then like into the water.

00:53:30,241 --> 00:53:34,201

And he's just, it seems again,

like Gaas is just like, fuck it.

00:53:34,381 --> 00:53:36,394