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Ep. 39: "Does it make the boat go faster?" (Guest: Phil Denton)
Episode 393rd June 2021 • There’s No ‘I’ in Podcast • Mark Johnson & Sean Gallagher
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Sean and Mark are back in business and back with guest Phil Denton who is both a headteacher and the co-author of "The First 100 Days - Lessons in Leadership from the Football Bosses" (

The conversation looks at some of the lessons learned from the premiership managers that Phil has talked to and how they have been applied to a school environment. Phil introduces the guys to the STARS model of business evolution and how it might look like an organisation is in one stage when it might be in another.

Phil recommends the work of Dan Pink ( and his book Drive, and if you've never heard of Kabbadi, check it out here.

You can pick up a copy of the book here (and pre-order the audiobook here) and all proceeds go to The Len Johnrose Trust.

Phil is on LinkedIn here.

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