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Rock and Roll Fantasy, with David Fishof (Music, Business, Passion, Events)
Episode 42128th March 2023 • The Action Catalyst • Southwestern Family of Podcasts
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Music producer, promoter, and the founder and CEO of Rock 'n' Roll Fantasy Camp, David Fishof, talks about moving from a sports agent to representing The Association, reuniting the Monkees, receiving divine intervention from MTV, why today’s world is unlimited for aspiring artists of any age, the benefit of literally drawing out your goals, reflects on the recent loss of one of his high profile clients, and explains how his rock camp’s #1 export is PASSION.

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Dan Moore:

Well, hello everyone.

Dan Moore:

This is Dan Moore, your host.

Dan Moore:

We're so happy to have David Fish off with us today.

Dan Moore:

David, your background, people can't see it, but it is covered with guitars, many of which are autographed from great people that you've worked with over the years, and as an old rocker myself, welcome to the Action Catalyst.

David Fishof:

Thank you.

David Fishof:

Thank you so much for having me, Dan.

Dan Moore:

This is exciting.

Dan Moore:

We're gonna hear all about Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp in a few minutes, but what's so interesting is the twists and turns in your career that have gotten you to this point.

Dan Moore:

And I wonder if you wouldn't mind kind of recapping what you consider the most important pivot points or the influences that caused you to be in a certain direction that all of a sudden you ricochet off into something totally different and then landed here and this amazing thing that you've had going for so, so.

David Fishof:

Okay, so I does this podcast for five hours.

David Fishof:

. Go ahead, . Well, I've had a very diverse career.

David Fishof:

You know, I started in the Catskills, you know, booking comedians up there.

David Fishof:

My first client then became Herschel Bernardi, the actor, uh, well known for Fiddler on the Roof.

David Fishof:

I started getting into more acting, but then really my love is, uh, was professional.

David Fishof:

I always wanted to be a sports agent, so I started really representing professional athletes and, uh, by booking them up in the Catskills of the camps, really worked my way through to, you know, represent some great players over the years.

David Fishof:

Uh, Lou Pinella, Randy Meyers.

David Fishof:

Vince Faragamo.

David Fishof:

Phil Sims, uh, mark Boro, so many, Dave McIn, some, many of the great players in both Major League baseball and football.

David Fishof:

And it really gave me the desire to win.

David Fishof:

You know, I, I, you know, it rubbed off on me, but, you know, after being a sports agent for many years, I honestly got bored.

David Fishof:

The key of being a sports agent is, is it's, uh, in the movie, show me the monies, Jerry McGuire.

David Fishof:

And, you know, as a sports agent, that was my goal.

David Fishof:

I had to, you know, get players the most money.

David Fishof:

So basically after a while I got bored with it and I wanted to be more creative, and someone called me up and said, would I be interested in representing the association, the band, and.

David Fishof:

I said the association of what?

David Fishof:

and and, uh, but I went to see the band and I was sharing office space with a lot of music managers, fellow named Gary Kurts, who represented the Talking Heads to Ramones.

David Fishof:

And I was a sports agent up in this office.

David Fishof:

We all shared office space.

David Fishof:

Shep Gordon represented Alice Cooper, Teddy Pendergrass.

David Fishof:

So I saw the gold records on the wall.

David Fishof:

I said, I wanna be in the music business.

David Fishof:

So I went and, um, heard the, heard the association.

David Fishof:

And this was in the mid 80.

David Fishof:

And they hadn't been around in 20 years, and I decided to, uh, take them on.

David Fishof:

And, uh, after doing a great job for them, all the other bands started approaching me like Gary Puck and the Union Gap and the Grassroots and Spanking Our Gang and the Turtles.

David Fishof:

And that's when I came up with the idea in 84 to package these bands and put out a package of called the Happy Together Tour, uh, which is currently still running.

David Fishof:

I did that for two years, and the third year I came up with the.

David Fishof:

To bring the monkeys back, and that was after, um, 20 years.

David Fishof:

They had never been back together.

David Fishof:

And I signed the monkeys.

David Fishof:

I acquired the name cuz they didn't own it from Columbia Pictures and, and Luck had it with me.

David Fishof:

I think God said, I'm gonna take care of this guy, fish off mtv.

David Fishof:

Decided to air 24 hours of Monkeys , and I'm on the seventh floor of 70 75 Broadway.

David Fishof:

And, and the eighth and ninth floor is this new network called mtv.

David Fishof:

When I found out they were gonna be broadcasting it on television, I ran upstairs to see the president.

David Fishof:

I said, I'm doing the monkey.

David Fishof:

And a live tour.

David Fishof:

And they said, well, you know, we're, we're, we're gonna really do monkeys everything on M T V cuz they were the originators of music video.

David Fishof:

So they said, let's work together, you promote our new fledging network, M T V and all your ads, and we'll promote your live tour.

David Fishof:

And they did.

David Fishof:

And little did I know when I went on sale, instead of selling 4,000 seats like I did to Happy Gather tours and 3000 seats, I sold 25,000 tickets in Chicago.

David Fishof:

I sold 30,000 in Detroit.

David Fishof:

I sold at stadium's arenas.

David Fishof:

It was the biggest tour.

David Fishof:

So if you asked me what was my biggest thing, I'd have to say 1986, the monkeys.

David Fishof:

But the simultaneously, I was representing eight of the New York Giants who went to the Super Bowl in the January of 87.

David Fishof:

So that was really the turning point in my life when everything just, you know, here I was so busy with the monkeys that Phil Sims writes in his book, he says, our agent was so busy, we're gonna the football, he's so busy doing the monkeys.

David Fishof:

So I was dancing between.

David Fishof:

, you know, between my sports world and my, and, and my entertainment world, it was just, those were major years.

David Fishof:

A few years later, I produced, um, I came up with the idea to do dirty dancing as a live tour, and that was amazing.

David Fishof:

I did that all around the world and I came up with, I saw the movie and I decided, you know, I'm gonna take this movie and make it into a live show and put tickets up, sale on sale of Radio City Music Hall.

David Fishof:

I didn't even have a show.

David Fishof:

They wanted to book the, the Dirty Dancing.

David Fishof:

I had the concept, so we put an ad in in the New York Times.

David Fishof:

full page Ed.

David Fishof:

Little did I know, I sold eight shows out and it, it was just, that was amazing.

David Fishof:

And then you got, a year later I came up with the idea to do Ringo and the All-Star Band.

David Fishof:

Mm-hmm.

David Fishof:

. So I, I went and approached Ringo about doing a tour and, uh, he said, I went to England and, and he said, I was thinking the same thing.

David Fishof:

And the next thing you know, I'm traveling with Durango in the All-Star Band.

David Fishof:

I'm on tour with a Beatle, again, another life-changing experience.

David Fishof:

So, you know, just keeps going and going.

David Fishof:

So I, I like the adventure.

David Fishof:

I like, uh, always coming up with new ideas.

David Fishof:

And then I finally, I saw how much fun we had doing Ringo in the All-Star Band.

David Fishof:

I said, you know, if I could give this to the fan, they can see us traveling and writing music and, and just the, the camaraderie that these rock stars have together.

David Fishof:

Uh, lemme create a rock camp.

David Fishof:

And 25 years ago is when I came over there did to do a rock and roll fantasy camp.

David Fishof:

And that's where we are.

Dan Moore:

Oh my gosh.

Dan Moore:

You're right.

Dan Moore:

We need at least five hours and, and that's just a beginning, installment.

Dan Moore:

I love hearing these stories.

Dan Moore:

Now let me ask you a question though, along the way.

Dan Moore:

You mentioned in almost in passing, you had eight of your people in the Super Bowl.

Dan Moore:

You had, uh, world Series player, and you were just so busy doing the music.

Dan Moore:

You're selling yourself short.

Dan Moore:

I think David, you obviously you had this amazing ability to keep a lot of balls in the air at the same time.

Dan Moore:

What general insights can you share with, with our listeners, those who feel like they just have too much?

Dan Moore:

Because you've had way more on than most of us ever

David Fishof:

will.

David Fishof:

I got a D.

David Fishof:

D.

David Fishof:

. Dan Moore: just don't sleep and keep busy.

David Fishof:

Huh?

David Fishof:

You know

David Fishof:

what?

David Fishof:

It's interesting.

David Fishof:

During Covid, I hosted 160 masterclass on Zoom and I got all these rock stars to come on and talk to my campers and give them the experience they normally would give them.

David Fishof:

And people ask questions.

David Fishof:

And I tell you the common denominator that every one of these artists, managers, record producers had was passion, passion, passion, passion.

David Fishof:

So I love what I do, and I think that once you get rid of that passion, move on the next thing.

David Fishof:

So here I was passionate about going on tour.

David Fishof:

I love getting on those private planes and getting on hotels.

David Fishof:

But you know what?

David Fishof:

I lost that passion.

David Fishof:

Mm-hmm.

David Fishof:

So I, I decided I'm not gonna do it anymore.

David Fishof:

I don't do things in my.

David Fishof:

Unless they're passionate.

David Fishof:

And I've told that to my kids.

David Fishof:

I've told that to my, to anyone.

David Fishof:

I have a son-in-law's, a rabbi, you know, he, he got up there and, and, and gave a speech the other day and he said, my parents wanted to become a lawyer.

David Fishof:

When I asked my father-in-law, I wanted to marry his daughter and can I have her hand, he said to me, what are you gonna do to make a living?

David Fishof:

He says, my parents want me to be a lawyer.

David Fishof:

I'm, I've got the top 3% in the law boards.

David Fishof:

I said, but what do you wanna do?

David Fishof:

He says, I wanna be a rabbi.

David Fishof:

I wanna lead a.

David Fishof:

I said, you be a rabbi and I'll support you.

David Fishof:

And so again, passion, passion, passion.

Dan Moore:

I think it's fantastic and particularly the changing lives aspect of this cuz for knowing just a little bit about fantasy camp and I want you to, to tell us more about how it got started and how it's grown to be, I guess more than 70 camps now have been held.

Dan Moore:

You not only ignite passion in the fans that have a chance to come and play with these amazing artists, but you reignite the passion in the artists

David Fishof:

themselves.

David Fishof:

So Dan, you know, and that's why I love the movie.

David Fishof:

You know, I didn't wanna do the movie and I got talked into doing the movie, and I'm so glad I did because I didn't realize.

David Fishof:

You know, I mean, I realize the rock stars love coming to camp, but to see that they go through a life-changing experience, of course the fan goes through it.

David Fishof:

And that's really what I love doing every day.

David Fishof:

And if you ask me what my favorite thing of doing my entire career, I love the players, I love the artists, but now I'm getting to change people's lives and they're able to come to rock and Roll finish.

David Fishof:

They're not only changing their lives in the way of music, but you know, a woman calls me up the other day, says My husband doesn't have road rage anymore.

David Fishof:

My husband is vying his passion, you know, so the head of Oracle comes to camp and he says, after camp, you know, I learned how to listen.

David Fishof:

I never knew how to listen.

David Fishof:

, uh, because he walked into a room and he told the rockstar, you know, I wanna do this song and my band wants to do this.

David Fishof:

And, and the counselor said to him, the music director said to him, listen, I gotta teach the song to five other people.

David Fishof:

So today, I'm, I'm, I'm able to work everyday changing lives and.

David Fishof:

I love it.

David Fishof:

It's just every day I get an email.

David Fishof:

Every day I get a call.

David Fishof:

You change my life because by attending Rock and Roll Fantasy Camp, people get to come in for four days.

David Fishof:

Ignite their passion.

David Fishof:

Reminds 'em what it was like when they were a child, when they were in high school band.

David Fishof:

They were in a college band, but they had to quit, had to go get a regular job, and they couldn't do what their real passion was.

David Fishof:

So they went and they got a job as an accountable lawyer, whatever, or, or, or anything in tech.

David Fishof:

Deep inside a musician is a musician.

David Fishof:

A singer is a singer, an artist eventually wants to get their art out.

David Fishof:

What Rock Camp has done is given people opportunities to really express themselves.

David Fishof:

And then they're able to leave the camp and they're able to go start bands.

David Fishof:

They're able to go teach music.

David Fishof:

So we're talking about igniting the

Dan Moore:

passion.

Dan Moore:

I think it's just remarkable what you're doing because life changing can happen in lots and lots of ways overnight.

Dan Moore:

Yeah.

Dan Moore:

And in the artists themselves too.

Dan Moore:

Can you comment maybe on a couple of those experiences?

David Fishof:

So what, what Rock Camp did for a lot of the artists, Rudy Sark says in the film Rock Camp, he says, I got my love, my passion.

David Fishof:

For music, uh, for playing at Rock Camp and I guess Nancy Wilson.

David Fishof:

She explained the best on an interview for Nancy Wilson of a Heart.

David Fishof:

She said, you know, when we start out our career, it's about writing, um, the songs and getting a hit song and making it.

David Fishof:

Now, once we make it, , it becomes about lawyers, agents, you know, lawsuits, , you know, and record labels and deals and contracts.

David Fishof:

He says, the one thing I love about Rock Camp is it's, it's pure music.

David Fishof:

They're there just to make music.

David Fishof:

Yes, it becomes a business eventually, but you know, the business, they, you know, they lose their interest.

David Fishof:

I mean, I recommend everybody watch The Beatles, the Let It Be thing on Disney Plus.

David Fishof:

It's great.

David Fishof:

You don't have to be a Beatle fan to watch it.

David Fishof:

Number one, you learn how songs come.

David Fishof:

B, you get to see even the Beatles, George Harrison, he was bored.

David Fishof:

He walked out of the Beatles cuz he's not happy.

David Fishof:

Paul and John aren't giving him the songs.

David Fishof:

So he leaves the band and you know, in the end, he proves it to those two guys and that, listen, I can write, I could have done as good because he has more number one songs.

David Fishof:

When he leaves the Beatles, he has bigger hits, but even he lost his passion.

David Fishof:

, can you imagine?

David Fishof:

You're in the Beatles and you lose your passion and he walks out and the other guys have to talk him into it.

David Fishof:

You can even see that John is not even that into it.

David Fishof:

Paul is.

David Fishof:

Paul is, Ringo is, but, but he is.

David Fishof:

Even a guy like Paul McCarney lose his passion.

David Fishof:

Now when they get on stage at the end.

David Fishof:

I don't wanna spoil it, but.

David Fishof:

. You see John really coming up there cuz the mic, the lights are on him.

David Fishof:

But even he lost the enthusiasm of being a beetle.

David Fishof:

Mm-hmm . So I, I think it's, it comes to show you that no matter how big you are, you have to keep yourself passionate and healthy.

Dan Moore:

Well that's a good point cuz you mentioned that soon as the spotlight was on, even John came back to life.

Dan Moore:

What about those of us that really never have a chance to be in the spotlight at all?

Dan Moore:

What are some internal self-coaching things we can do without a crowd of adoring fans out?

David Fishof:

Well, I think today the world is different.

David Fishof:

You can become a star.

David Fishof:

You can, there's, there's, there's Instagram, there's Facebook.

David Fishof:

There are people who have never, who never ever thought they would've.

David Fishof:

10,000 followers a podcast.

David Fishof:

. How about this?

David Fishof:

I've been doing a lot of podcasts.

David Fishof:

People, you know, you're a big organization, the Action Catalyst, but there are a lot of people who are just starting podcasts, reaching out to people.

David Fishof:

You know, bands.

David Fishof:

Let's talk about bands.

David Fishof:

In the olden days, the record labels would sign and act.

David Fishof:

The first album would sell hundreds of thousands of copies.

David Fishof:

Then they would say, six months later, you gotta do a second album.

David Fishof:

Let me tell you something.

David Fishof:

That first album, they were thinking since they were children, what this songs are gonna be.

David Fishof:

Now of a sudden, six months later, you're asking 'em to write another album.

David Fishof:

That, that you wanna expect that to be a hit.

David Fishof:

You know, our business is very difficult and today, these bands, you can start recording your own music.

David Fishof:

, you can put it out.

David Fishof:

You don't need a record label.

David Fishof:

You can get it out on social media.

David Fishof:

You can sell merchandise, you can tour without it being signed to an agency.

David Fishof:

Call any club and say, listen, you know, I got, I can, I can go on Spotify, put my music up.

David Fishof:

I can see what towns people are listening to my music.

David Fishof:

I can book a a show there.

David Fishof:

I got emails.

David Fishof:

So today there's no reason why you shouldn't go after your passion or the film.

David Fishof:

To me, why I love the film is that I wanted people, Watch the film and not be able to, you know, these people do it through music, but you can, you can rechange your life anytime.

David Fishof:

And last night, my wife showed me this whole new world of metaverse out there.

David Fishof:

You know, there's a whole world that people can open up stores, get their art out there, and get their, and, and, and do anything they want.

David Fishof:

The World's Unlimited today.

Dan Moore:

Well, I love that message of encouragement.

Dan Moore:

That's such a powerful thing cuz it's universal.

Dan Moore:

It doesn't have to be regarding music or art or anything.

Dan Moore:

It can be who am I as a person And there's ways that I can get my message out.

Dan Moore:

And if it's the motive is to change people's lives, it's one that never gets old.

Dan Moore:

You never get bored with that.

Dan Moore:

And

David Fishof:

I just returned, I was in Israel for a month this summer.

David Fishof:

I cannot tell you that I must have been approached 10 new app ideas.

David Fishof:

You know, in Israel they came up with.

David Fishof:

They've come up with, you know, all, all the great technology comes out of Israel because they make their people go to the army there.

David Fishof:

And what happens is, is that they get creative and they, everyone's coming up with a new app idea.

David Fishof:

So again, it's so easy today to find success in this new world of, of social media.

David Fishof:

And if you use this stuff right, it can really take you a.

David Fishof:

Well,

Dan Moore:

let's, let's talk for a second about brick walls, if you don't mind.

Dan Moore:

Cuz over the course of your amazing career, I'm sure you've been trucking along at various points and then slam right into something you were not expecting.

Dan Moore:

Any insights on what to do when suddenly, it seems like the world has put a big obstacle in front of you.

Dan Moore:

You can't see around it, under it or

Dan Moore:

anything.

David Fishof:

So I've had that.

David Fishof:

Uh, I remember after doing the Monkeys Tour, I decided that, um, I, I'm gonna quit.

David Fishof:

I'm gonna quit the, I tried to quit the business a few times, lost the passion.

David Fishof:

You know, there's a book called The Artist Way.

David Fishof:

It, uh, really helped me.

David Fishof:

It got me to write every day for 45 minutes to an hour.

David Fishof:

I did a great program, a life-changing program called Hoffman Institute.

David Fishof:

I went up north to a place.

David Fishof:

I went away for seven.

David Fishof:

And worked on myself.

David Fishof:

Uh, Hoffman's gotten very popular now because Katie Perry went there.

David Fishof:

A lot of the artists are talking about it.

David Fishof:

Uh, someone sent me a thing from the New York Times yesterday.

David Fishof:

It was a story, the Hoffman Institute, where it basically, our parents gave us positive traits and negative traits.

David Fishof:

This helps you identify the negative traits, get it outta your system.

David Fishof:

rebuild you as a child, but when you were that little David before anyone ever hurt you, I think these programs, there are programs like that where you can reboot yourself.

David Fishof:

Yeah.

David Fishof:

Oh, I can't tell you.

David Fishof:

Even a guy like me.

David Fishof:

Yes.

David Fishof:

Like there, there are days that I, I do Tony Robbins, you know, he says Make a move.

David Fishof:

Any of those self-help programs, the books are great.

David Fishof:

. There are so many great books to read.

David Fishof:

Here's a great one.

David Fishof:

I was having frustration with Rock Camp because here I'm telling you about all these successful tours that I was doing, and they, they were getting bigger and bigger.

David Fishof:

Now, all of a sudden, I start doing rock and roll fantasy camp, and I'm only limited to take in one drummer a band or two, or or one bass player in a band.

David Fishof:

So it's not like Coachella where I can take the fence and sell as many spots.

David Fishof:

I'm limited.

David Fishof:

Well, I was, I was losing money.

David Fishof:

I was getting frustra.

David Fishof:

and I picked up a book called What Got Me There.

David Fishof:

We'll Get you here.

David Fishof:

You know, you all of a sudden you think you can just pick yourself up.

David Fishof:

And I was successful in this business.

David Fishof:

Hey, I'm gonna go in the restaurant business, but I, I don't know the restaurant business.

David Fishof:

Great book.

David Fishof:

A guy named Goldsmith, I think he wrote, so I, I believe readings 12 step programs from certain people, podcasts.

David Fishof:

There's so many great programs out that when you hit the brick wall and we all hit the brick.

David Fishof:

Every one of us hits a brick wall.

David Fishof:

It's just we gotta do something about it.

Dan Moore:

If we can hit the brick wall, we don't have to be the brick wall.

Dan Moore:

Correct.

Dan Moore:

Curious, you mentioned casualty, a d, D, you're very much a hyperkinetic individual, I'm quite sure about that.

Dan Moore:

But do you have a morning routine?

Dan Moore:

Anything that you consistently start your day with you could share with us?

David Fishof:

I wanted to share with the exercise.

David Fishof:

I think that's so important.

David Fishof:

Prayer and exercise.

David Fishof:

Prayer.

David Fishof:

You know, I wake up every morning.

David Fishof:

I do my prayers being an Orthodox Jew.

David Fishof:

I, uh, try to go to synagogue.

David Fishof:

Then I do my exercise.

David Fishof:

I get on that Peloton bike, but I'm always exercising.

David Fishof:

. I think that once you, when you, and prayer can be meditation, it could be anything.

David Fishof:

Mm-hmm.

David Fishof:

, it can be going out in the field and just talking to the Lord and saying, answer my prayers, asking him one-on-one.

David Fishof:

Whatever it takes that, whatever religion you're in, I, I think, or if you're, even if you're not religious at all, just to give yourself some time to meditate and exercise.

David Fishof:

Once I do those two things, Dan, every day my day's done, everything else is a bonus.

Dan Moore:

Hmm.

Dan Moore:

Love that.

Dan Moore:

That's the foundation.

Dan Moore:

You build everything else upon that foundation.

Dan Moore:

Yes.

Dan Moore:

One other kind of important bit of advice, I'd love to hear from you.

Dan Moore:

What's a way to reignite a passion?

David Fishof:

I think the writing helped me the most.

David Fishof:

You get it out, get it all out again.

David Fishof:

You know, Hoffman taught me, it was a lot of my lessons are in me.

David Fishof:

I would go on a date and I'd say, damn, what do you think of this young lady I went out with?

David Fishof:

So I'd ask you a mil or what do you think of this idea today?

David Fishof:

I make my decisions cuz I know it's in my heart of hearts.

David Fishof:

You know, it's like a football team.

David Fishof:

, everybody gets the same draft picks.

David Fishof:

Why does Coach Belichick win every year?

David Fishof:

Uh, you know, it, it's all about the, the, the motivation.

David Fishof:

And, and if you want something, you can get it.

David Fishof:

Draw a picture of it.

David Fishof:

I put a picture on the wall and I'm gonna get there.

David Fishof:

You know, uh, Arnold Schwarzenegger, when they go to him to offer him a film and they say, uh, Arnold, we, here's a, uh, Arnold.

David Fishof:

We, we hit the script.

David Fishof:

He says, I don't wanna see the script.

David Fishof:

I wanna see what the ad is gonna look.

David Fishof:

In the newspaper, what's the ad?

David Fishof:

What's the public gonna see the final product being?

David Fishof:

Why do that?

David Fishof:

I draw a picture of what my camp is gonna be.

David Fishof:

I'm doing a songwriting fantasy camp in Nashville, so I drew a picture of it.

David Fishof:

I went to Desmond Child, the best singer songwriter in, in the business, and, and I, but I draw a picture in my mind and draw a picture on paper.

David Fishof:

I create an.

David Fishof:

When I went to sign Ringo Star, I had a guy do a commercial for me.

David Fishof:

It's coming live in concert.

David Fishof:

Ringo Star in the old star band, just to show him what the final result will be.

David Fishof:

If you put the picture in front of you, there's no reason you can't reach that goal.

David Fishof:

You wanna create an app, draw that picture.

David Fishof:

You wanna open a restaurant, draw that picture, draw a business plan, draw.

David Fishof:

You know, there's so many books.

David Fishof:

Draw out what, what, what you say.

David Fishof:

You can't.

David Fishof:

And then you'll be surprised.

David Fishof:

Slowly, step by step by step, you can build on it.

David Fishof:

And there's so many resources today with Google.

David Fishof:

You can find anything you want.

David Fishof:

You can get online and draw a free business plan.

David Fishof:

There's so much help today.

David Fishof:

Podcasts like this are amazing.

David Fishof:

They give people the, you know, keep listening.

David Fishof:

There's so much information.

David Fishof:

So true.

Dan Moore:

Well, David, we're kind of wrapping up on time, but I'd like to reminisce about something with you for just a moment.

Dan Moore:

I think you probably brought the monkeys to Nashville to the Starwood Amphitheater back in the eighties.

Dan Moore:

Yes.

Dan Moore:

They were with Gary P in the Union Gap as a double bill.

Dan Moore:

Yes.

Dan Moore:

I was one of the 15,000 people sitting on the grass in that question.

Dan Moore:

Yes.

Dan Moore:

It was absolutely fantastic and today we just learned that Michael Nesbith, who was really the, the true musician originally in the Monkeys, the true musician, a great songwriter, great individual, interesting life passed away.

Dan Moore:

Can you just share a memory about

David Fishof:

Michael?

David Fishof:

In 1986, I bring the monkeys back and I hired Mickey, Davey and Peter.

David Fishof:

I never approached Mike because his mother had invented liquid paper and everyone said he the paper, he was never gonna do it.

David Fishof:

So I never approached him.

David Fishof:

When he came to the middle of the tour, he called me up, he said, you know, I'd like to reignite with the guys and, and perform at the Greek theater with him.

David Fishof:

And I got to meet him that night.

David Fishof:

And, and he came on stage and it was the first time in 20 years the four of 'em got got together.

David Fishof:

He's a very talented individual, as you said, musically.

David Fishof:

He was the, he was probably the musician of the, of the monkeys, and that's probably why they broke up because he was disapp.

David Fishof:

That they couldn't, you know, do more of their music.

David Fishof:

But in the end, you know, he gets a lot of credit for M T V.

David Fishof:

Uh, you know, he came up with the concept of music videos and Sure.

David Fishof:

Genius.

David Fishof:

Sure genius.

David Fishof:

And so, again, sorry to see his loss and you know, just thinking we lost Peter.

David Fishof:

We lost Davey.

David Fishof:

We lost Mike.

David Fishof:

And now, um, and Mickey's alive, God bless him.

David Fishof:

And, you know, the, the monkeys, I hope Mickey will be alive to see them in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame because they haven't gotten in.

David Fishof:

They deserve to get, Anytime you mention the monkeys, everyone smiles.

David Fishof:

So they really had a, they, they, they really had a, an effect on every one of us growing up.

Dan Moore:

I think it's fantastic.

Dan Moore:

I just last week listened to a cut by Mickey Dolans on an album produced by another one of my guests, Dennis Scott, which is the music of Mr.

Dan Moore:

Rogers.

Dan Moore:

Oh yeah.

Dan Moore:

And Mickey Dolans was one of the artists that performed on that.

Dan Moore:

It's kind of a mashup album.

Dan Moore:

Absolutely brilliant.

Dan Moore:

So thank you for those memories and thank you for what you do.

Dan Moore:

And I am pumped, invigorated, and inspired by this.

Dan Moore:

David, thank you so much for being on the Action Catalyst

David Fishof:

and thank you.

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