Many of us spend years trying to change our habits without ever changing the conversations happening inside our own minds.

In this powerful episode, Tammy welcomes back transformational guide Isabele Chiara to discuss her new book Nourish and why true nourishment has very little to do with food.

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Hello everybody, and welcome

back to another episode of

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Adult Child of Dysfunction.

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Today, we have with us a

returning guest, Isabelle Chiara.

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She is the creator of the

Life Actualization process.

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She has been a guide, mentor, and

leader throughout her entire life.

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Over the last 30 years, she

has honed her expertise in

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extensive studies and practices of

transformational energy modalities.

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As a professional intuitive guide,

Isabelle activates unlimited potential

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for her clients, helping them to ignite

their most liberated, passionate,

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and empowered life path, full of

prosperity, miracles, and magic.

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Welcome back, Isabelle.

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Thank you, Tammy, for having me.

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It's always- Yeah … fun

and interesting- Oh, sorry

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to be on your show.

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Yeah.

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It was I was looking back before we

got on here, 'cause I was like, "How

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long ago was it that you were on?"

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And it was- … episode, for those of

you that are just listening, it was

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episode 150, so it's been a while.

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So tell us what you've been doing

since whenever that was- Well- … a

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year or so ago … last time I was

on, I just came up with a Nourish app.

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And it, let's say it's, the Nourish

app was 12 activations that help

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people process through a lot of

their childhood traumas and…

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But it's actually very healing.

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It's very healing big healing modality,

so you don't really need a person to

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guide you or process you, because my

voice and the activation does that.

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But now I just came up with a

book, and that's called Nourish.

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I'll just show it to you.

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And it's really living beyond food,

like the food frenzy, and feeding

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a path of personal power and joy.

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So actually coming from whatever things

in your life that were, triggers,

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whatever in your life that's going on,-

it's like a way to move past and be on

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this path of nourishment where we're

looking at ourselves and shifting out

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worn behaviors from the inside out.

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Yeah, I remember talking about you

the first time because you were like,

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".. you can't look at

nourishment as just food.

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It's everything that you do

for- … and into your body."

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So after this entire, after this year,

'cause don't forget, I'm also living this

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path w- what happens is your consciousness

expands, your relationships shift.

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Oh, so many things in your life,

it's kinda like you're walking…

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I like to say I'm walking like a

magical path, but it's the path of

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nourishment because it's so awesome now.

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It's not all the conversations we used

to have with ourselves of, ch- you're

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doing this wrong, this isn't right,

black, very black-and-white life.

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It's really a anything kinda goes life,

but we're kinda putting it into a little

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bubble of what this is nourishing.

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We can look at things like it's really

helping us to get to the next step.

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It's a n- a new appreciation of

everything that's happened in our life.

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There's things that happen in our life

that just aren't the greatest, but I'll

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always like to think that it's taken

us to a whole nother state of being,

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state of consciousness for our own

minds and body, souls, and spirit that

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we are able to transcend that, unless

we wanna stay stuck in that, right?

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So we have a choice.

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How are we gonna do…

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What are we gonna do with that?

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And can I just…

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I just wanna say this one thing,

'cause I like this technique

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that I always bring forward.

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I always say I don't know

the rest of the story."

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What if this thing happened,

like we got fired from a job?

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How many people got, have gotten laid

off and fired lately, from their jobs?

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And we don't know the rest of the story.

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It could be the greatest story ever

told for our lives because even

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though we thought it was safe, right?

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Being in a position or someplace for a

long time is a safety thing also, right?

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What if…

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Of course it's scary.

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We don't wanna deny how we feel.

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But what if that became this

whole opening to a whole new

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life, all these new relationships

and that's what it brought us?

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So if we put that context into these

things that happen, we are kinda

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moving forward in a like a magical…

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It's more magical because you're not stuck

in the, "Oh my God, they did that to me.

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I can't believe it."

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I had a gentleman come on and

he talked about terrible gifts.

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And that's what I think

of when I think of this.

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Yeah.

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And even if you don't see…

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He said sometimes it could be

months or years later when something

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bad happens, like the job loss.

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You have to assume and you have

to hope and have faith in the fact

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that there's a gift in it somewhere.

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And you might not see it for a

week or a month or a year- … but

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it's these terrible gifts.

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So yeah, it's perspective.

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Yeah.

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It's just you…

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And it's staying in the present,

and it's looking at the present

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with a positive mind ver- but not…

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Obviously, we don't wanna talk about that

toxic positivity of everything's great.

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You still have to- or

a nourishing mindset.

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Yeah.

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. So what would be a step, whether

it's with the app or with the book

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or how, that you would help people?

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Let's say they walk into work

today and they get laid off.

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What is your first step, , how

do you start approaching that?

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I always look at what

this possibly mean to you?

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In a bigger, not in a mi- minutiae

state "Oh, I got fired today," right?

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In a huge, bigger sense, what

are all the possibilities that

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come from this situation that

you are now finding yourself in?

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'Cause I also don't believe

things just happen, right?

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I think also things happen for us, right?

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I think life turns around and

revolves, and it's happening

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for us, but we can't see it.

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And we're always on that

path of nourishment.

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We're always on that path of…

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Unless you hold as a peripheral vision

for yourself that my life is, not good,

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I'm always on this always happens to me.

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If we hold that kind of dynamic, I call

that o- that also another way to be.

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, We're being in the, this

isn't working out for me.

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It's like an energy thing that

you're, like, throwing on your life.

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It's how you hold your life.

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So you could hold your life on

one hand "Oh my God, magical."

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So everything will be

nourishing, u- uplifting.

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It's, this can't have happened unless…

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If I may, if you're in this state, this

couldn't have happened for not a huger,

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grander vision, blueprint for your life.

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So that's how the first step to hold that.

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And then of course there's all the

emotional feelings that we have, but those

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are the feelings that we have that we've

been carrying that will happen in, for us

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in any situation, like rejection why me?

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All of these feelings will take us down,

will take us down if we don't give ourself

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this other- perspective of- … how we can

look at our lives as we're on this path.

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Oh my God, it's great.

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I don't know why this happened to

me, but let me just move on and let

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me see what opportunities are there.

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So then you go out in the world

and you start - to say, I would,

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actually say, "Go out today."

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No perspective.

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Every time you start to think about

these other feelings you have, like

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feelings of rejection or why me or any

of these other feelings, I would … Ask

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them to say, "Okay, I got it, and how

about if we think of it as a gift?"

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Or, "I got it.

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What if this is the

most joyful experience?"

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So we begin to start to transform our

mind chatter, our mind conversation.

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And we start to move, past that, or

what if these things that are blocking

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us in our lives too are things for

us to move in another direction?

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What if we are greeted with the same

person every day that's bringing

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us down or saying, criticizing us?

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And we get to we get to check in

with ourselves and say, "Okay,

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how much more of this is possible?

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What am I gonna do?"

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How much more am I gonna do?

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I'm gonna give myself another day, or

I'll give myself another two days, and

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then I'm gonna take a nourishing step for

myself, and I'm gonna love myself even

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more, and allow myself to be somewhere

else where there's people that are loving

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to me or s- tell me great things about me.

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And then we get to start to include that

in our own conversations of ourselves.

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Because - the thing is, what shows up

outside of us is just a mirror of how

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we're feeling inside of ourselves.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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Repeat that again for people.

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No.

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Because that is a very important point.

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Yeah.

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If we're met with a lot of criticism

on the outside from people,

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and it doesn't feel good,…

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It doesn't feel good from the

inside, because- … we're doing

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it to ourselves, and … the

world's a mirror, so they're…

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I wanna…

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I don't wanna keep saying they're a

gift, but they're just the, like a tool.

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It's like they're not even there.

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They're just you doing

you from the outside in.

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Really.

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Y- we get to look at other people.

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I never even thought of it like this.

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They're really you

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saying, "Okay, you suck,"

and this is what we're doing.

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Or, you're not good at that," or

every single thing that we are

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sa- that we feel, we're saying

to ourselves on a daily basis.

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It's just not conscious.

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So the path of nourishment in this

book is what I use a lot of examples

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to try to fill in all of that to

begin to think of it different.

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And what happens is we start to neutralize

all of those feelings for ourselves, and

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we start to go on this other tangent in

our life of, "Wow, today was joyful."

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I started playing these games with

myself where I started saying, "All

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right, how long-" of this day, like what

percentage of this day can I feel joyful?

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'Cause if we're on this path that's

not a, we don't feel joy- joyful,

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a lot, if we're on this path, it's

like maybe it's happening sometimes.

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You get a few little glimpses of it, but

can we stay on that for 50% of our day?

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Can we stay that, so I think that just the

m- I like to say the mantra of nourishment

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says, "Oh, this is part of the path, and

I'm becoming conscious of this behavior of

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mine, of this, the words I'm saying, the

play on words for myself, and okay, let

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me see how much joy I can have," and y-

Yeah … you mentioned it earlier in the

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conversation when you were talking about

energy, and I think energy is 100% of it.

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You wake up in the morning and you,

there's different frequencies of different

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feelings and everything else, and

it's if you- … focus on the positive

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energy frequencies, the high-frequency

energies like joy and gratitude and

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abundance, and you focus on that, then

it negates the negative frequency.

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And but you're, when you talk about

m- life being a mirror, whatever

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you're projecting into the world

is what you're gonna get back.

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Because that's what's attracting to you.

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So it, I look at when I first

talked to you about this nourishment

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thing, that's k- how I looked at it.

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Like, how can you water every situation

so that it grows into something positive?

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Every- … and when I…

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That's kinda how I interpreted the

whole nourishment thing, and it

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wasn't just about food, for sure.

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It was about just upping that, that

frequency and keeping it high and making

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the conscious decision because- you can…

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some of, a lot of the examples you already

used before, it's like you can either

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be a victim or you can be a victor.

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And those are conscious

decisions every single day.

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I don't even wanna say victim or victor.

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I don't even wanna say that

because then you start putting

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things into that category.

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"Wait, am I a victim here?

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Am I a victor here?"

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I like to say, "Okay, we're on this.

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Okay, what am I saying to my…"

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Like we're going right into the,

"What am I saying to myself here?"

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'Cause we- because how

many of us wake up…

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There's so many people that wake

up in the morning, they didn't

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even realize this, and they are

like, "I woke up in a bad mood."

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What?

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H- we can decide how we're gonna wake up.

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If we tell our…

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'Cause our mind is really

lis- our mind listens to us.

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So our mind is giving us back what

we, if you think about it what we say.

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So if we say, "Hey I'm gonna…

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I wake up in a bad mood every day,"

we're waking up in a bad mood.

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There's no other way that you're

gonna, 'cause you're doing what

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you tell yourself you're doing.

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Yeah.

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You just said, "I wake up in a bad mood,"

which is giving you more experiences-

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… to prove- … yourself yeah.

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So it's the sa- so it's the

same thing when we're trying

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to change a habit, right?

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We get, if we s- are trying

to change a habit and we start

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to focus on what we always do-

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Then we are going to keep cr- 'cause

our mind is vis- you know, our mind is

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visual or it hears things, and it starts

to give us back, that thing we do.

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If we're drinking or if we're…

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I'm trying to stop drinking, or I'm

trying to stop eating, or I'm trying

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to stop, going out till 3:00 o'clock

in the morning, whatever it is, but

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we're trying to stop it, so we're really

focusing our mind on that behavior.

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So I like to write out a

blueprint, like a story.

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I start to create a story

of what it is I'm trying…

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what I'm trying to create.

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Especially- Okay … around food.

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I like to create a visual of

how I feel and the plate, what

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the plate looks like, and that.

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But the other part is there's an emotional

resonance with that kind of visual,

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where we feel, wow, yeah, that's it.

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That's gonna work.

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We need our…

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We almost need our body to…

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Have you ever heard of this,

where your body gives you a yes?

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Oh, yeah.

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I do muscle testing with everybody.

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Yeah.

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I do.

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So your body…

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Yeah?

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Yeah.

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I always- Because your body

has to be on board with it.

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So you find the little things.

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And maybe it's not the big thing

at the end of the storyline.

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Maybe it's just a little

incremental, "Oh, you know what?

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For breakfast, I'm gonna have,

fruit and I'm gonna love it.

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It's gonna be great, and it's gonna be…"

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And then that becomes your habit, and

that becomes what you do, and then you

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can move on to other behaviors that-

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You know, that, that feel great

to you because you, your body's

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"Okay, yeah, we feel good now.

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We're in alignment."

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Yeah, I ask…

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I tell people that every day.

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When you wake up, do a body scan.

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First, I have a ritual.

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Yeah.

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Being g- grateful for five things,

and I tell people, "Don't be

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grateful," like you said, your mind

can trick your mind kind of thing.

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Don't be grace- don't be

grateful and just say it.

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Feel it in your body.

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Feel it, because if you don't have that

mind-body connection, it's- … it's…

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all the people that I work with, I don't

know exactly, I don't know exactly your

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target audience or exactly who's getting

your book- per se, but all the people that

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I work with and, my clients and the people

that usually come into my world through

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this podcast and stuff, th- the end of

the day, their bodies don't feel safe.

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It's their body.

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It's their- For sure.

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You can trick your mind.

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If…

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Your mind is easy to trick.

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Your body is not.

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For sure.

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But I'm glad you said that like that,

because it's so tr- it's so true.

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That's why I'm saying we

have to get an agreement.

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Our body- … has to be on

board with that and feel safe.

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Yeah.

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'Cause we don't…

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I think a lot of people don't think

about safety, when we're going out.

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How many people don't like to walk

in a room with a lot of people?

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Because- … it feels s- doesn't feel

safe to them or they have a visual

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of "Oh, they're gonna look at me.

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They're gonna judge me.

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They're gonna…"

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So all of that allows, keeps us from

doing that kind of, or feeling- Yeah

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terrible about doing

something like that, yeah.

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I like to call it increasing your

container, because- … let's just

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say you are scared to walk in a room.

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So what if you walk in a room

with, has two people that love you?

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And you're…

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And that becomes your thing for a

while, and you start to see yourself

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walking into a room like that.

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And then you start to increase it.

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Maybe you're going into a business

meeting or a, another meeting with

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some friends, and there's three

friends, and they're like, "Hey."

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And then you see them saying, "Hey, oh

my God, we missed you," and you start

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to create this other story, because

there's nothing wrong with storytelling

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for yourself either, because it becomes

your reality, like the same mirror

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that we were talking about before.

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Yeah.

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It's a great mirror for us to

just increase our capacity.

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Yeah.

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And the nourishment part of it just

makes sense, because you're just training

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your brain and rewiring your brain to

look at the things that are going to

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be good- … for you in the long run.

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So a good example is, like you

said, you walk into a room.

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I know people that walk into a room,

if someone raises an eyebrow, they

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start that immediate spiral of,

"Oh my God, they don't like me."

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"They don't like what I'm wearing.

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They…

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I'm not good enough.

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I can't…"

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Ba.

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And the next thing they're,

like, backing out of the room.

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Literally that extreme-

from an eyebrow raise.

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And I, I do…

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I've done many years of NLP practi-

being an NLP practitioner, and it's,

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hey, maybe that eyebrow just…

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Make a new story up.

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You literally just created nine

steps of a story before you even

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had time to back out of the room.

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Make it a good story.

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That's what you…

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I feel like that's what you're saying.

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If you're going to- Exactly … create

these stories, make it a good one.

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It's like people that don't remember their

childhood, and then someone asks them when

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you were four," and all of a sudden you

start making this, ruminating this story

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based on your experiences- in the past.

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But it's make it a good one.

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So yeah, you- … that's, that's- … the

visualization, and that's- … reframing,

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and that's beautiful for people.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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That's what I like to do with my, in my

Nourish app, when I say I have these 12

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activations that are guided meditations.

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One of my activations

called Setting The Table.

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How many…

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feel like that's at the dinner

table when we were children is where

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everything started with, just food

or everything, the people that have

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done that particular activation have

transformed the way the interaction

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happened between mother, fa- mother

and the child, father and the child,

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sister, and the whole table dynamic.

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After doing it a couple of times, these

activations shifted the relationship

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in their head, in their mind, how they

saw the relationship, and it created

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a whole now sense of wellbeing at the

dinner table, because we brought that

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whole table into relationships with

our other new family or other people.

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So it's very healing when we start

to look at it and start to shift the

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perspective that happened 30 years

ago or 40 years ago, which I'm sure a

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lot of the work you probably do also.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm picturing the dinner tables

of the people- Because if

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you have that foundat- right?

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What?

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I said I'm picturing the dinner

tables of the people that I

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dealt with, and they're…

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that's a whole…

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They would be stuck on that

one activation for years.

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So is it guided meditations

then through the app?

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In the app, like- Like that activation?

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Yeah, they're guided meditations, but

they're very specific for, They're

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very specific, like setting the table,

rela- for relationships relationship

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with yourself, and it goes very,

to very specific parts of your life

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probably the beginning of time, with

your life and how you created…

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And we have to look at that.

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You know why?

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'Cause we're creating a foundation

of how we're seeing things, and

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we're just building on it and we're

reinforcing it with all our beliefs.

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Oh, this is what happens.

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So how do you move out of something?

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If you s- if you, if our mind's

saying, "Okay, this is what

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happens," how do we move out of

that and s- create something else?

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We can't, because the foundation's so

strong and, oh, I know this is what's

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gonna happen to me every time I walk in

a room, or it's gonna happen to me every

391

time I sit at a dinner table with so and

so and but, Yeah, it's funny that you

392

brought that one up, because that was,

that would probably be my hardest one,

393

literally, because I d- it took me years.

394

It took me till I had two kids and my

second husband before we sat down at

395

a dinner table with the kids, because

that was the most uncomfortable

396

thing I could ever do, literally.

397

Yeah.

398

Yeah.

399

Because, so I was like, that's why

it's funny you mentioned that one.

400

I'm like, "I'll have to check

that out and see, just to see that

401

one," would be worth it for me.

402

I challenge you to listen to that one.

403

Yeah.

404

I mean- 'Cause you can use it,

you can use it with everybody

405

else- Yeah … that you work with.

406

That would be If someone saw that shift

in their life, that'd be a game changer.

407

Yeah.

408

Yeah, because for years- I- … my

second husband, he was the, he's the

409

cook in the family, and he was the one

that w- five plates on the gr- table.

410

We all talked about our day and everything

else, and I was like, for a long time

411

I was like, "This does not feel good.

412

Something's gonna go down."

413

Something's gonna happen.

414

'Cause I was waiting.

415

I was in that, that childhood

family that didn't eat dinner

416

together because it ended up with

a drunken fight every night, wow.

417

It's crazy.

418

That's intense.

419

Yeah.

420

That's intense.

421

Yeah.

422

Yeah.

423

What if…

424

Yeah, what if that, that got healed,

I have another activation called

425

healing family dynamics, that

looks at how we reacted in these

426

situations with our family also.

427

A lot of these go hand in

hand, a lot of my activations.

428

And I think- So are the acti- Yeah?

429

I'm sorry.

430

Are the activations pretty trauma

informed, come from a place of

431

trauma, or do they just come

from your basic normal life?

432

I guess you could say.

433

You're so funny.

434

Of course they had to have some

basis, I don't think that- anybody

435

doesn't have anything, when it comes

to- … like, how were you at the

436

table or what relationships didn't

work in your family or, I think-

437

I think everything that always

happened in my life was…

438

And then I'm not saying it was something

for me to really look at, right?

439

Really look at, like, how it built me,

how it built me, how it, t- it's really

440

how it transformed me, because I could

have chosen to be not happy and still

441

hold onto it and, how long do we have to?

442

How long do we have to hold on to that?

443

Is that what you were trying to…

444

Of course there is a basis of it, because,

I really, I came from a family, we were

445

in the restaurant business, and it's that

there's no, there wasn't, we were busy.

446

You know what I mean?

447

We grew up a working family.

448

We were busy.

449

We didn't sit how do you feel?"

450

At the end of the day "How do you feel?"

451

And I was, like, really, I didn't

realize this about myself till I

452

got into my 30s, or f- actually

40s, but I was really sensitive, and

453

I disregarded my sensitivity as a

child and said, and I would use words

454

with myself like, "You know what?

455

Just get over it."

456

And that's was my big mantra

to myself: "Get over it.

457

Just get over it.

458

Who cares?"

459

"Who cares if nobody cares how you feel,"

or, who cares about your feelings?"

460

So I actually used that to-

eliminate my feelings, of course.

461

And just plow ahead and, I use that as a

moti- for me, it was like a motivational

462

thing to "All right, I'm gonna do this.

463

I'll just, I'm gonna move

forward, I move forward."

464

But then I made myself so busy

with myself and my life that I

465

never thought about how I feel.

466

There was a huge

disconnection with my body.

467

Which I think might be

468

I don't want to say a good thing,

but it was a good thing, but I had to

469

come back to my body in order to heal

my bo- in myself, in my everything.

470

I had to really go back.

471

Or come back.

472

It was protective.

473

It was protective then.

474

Yeah.

475

Now it's- … yeah.

476

So thank God that was my survival st-

that was my survival strategy, right?

477

I actually have a an activation

that's called survival strategy also,

478

that helps to go back and look at

all the decisions I'm, we made, we

479

make, as a child in order to survive.

480

We're lucky that we have that

ability to survive or we would die.

481

We would actually die.

482

Yeah.

483

Yeah.

484

We're one of the few species,

that's why we don't…

485

That's why we internalize everything.

486

Yeah.

487

Because we're not gonna ever admit that

our caregivers, the people that we're

488

100% dependent on, were ever wrong.

489

So when you hear that, you hear that,

that negative thing or your mom tells

490

you, when you sh- you hug her and say,

"Mommy, I got hurt," and she says, "Get

491

over it, it's okay- … I don't have

time for that right now," you don't go,

492

"Okay, Mom's dealing with her own stuff."

493

You don't process all that.

494

You just know, "I'm not important,

and my pain doesn't matter," period.

495

Or- … or or you we, it, we made

it something about ourselves.

496

"Oh, maybe I'm overdramatic.

497

Maybe I'm asking too much.

498

Maybe…"

499

Whatever we say about ourselves, so

now we create another foundational

500

of how we are and how we're being.

501

"Oh, there's something wrong with

me because I'm so emotional, and I'm

502

crying, and wah, wah," I remember

as a child I would just cry.

503

If somebody yelled, I would cry.

504

It was, I couldn't s- stop, and

I was like, I would have to go, I

505

would go in my room and be like, "All

right, you stop crying right now."

506

Having this talk in my room, and I was

only like seven or eight years old.

507

I'd be like, "You stop crying right now.

508

Why do you need to cry?

509

Blah, blah, blah, get, get over it."

510

So then I became this, s- I

became stronger, but I disregarded

511

anything- Yeah … when I felt.

512

Yeah, you can't.

513

Right?

514

Which is what- the path I think a

lot of people take, or they just

515

take another one, whether they…

516

I don't know.

517

I think a lot of people lately,

because people allow them to be

518

with their emotions, don't actually

process their emotions, but sit

519

in the emotion for a long time.

520

You would know better than that.

521

I think people just stay there.

522

Yeah.

523

Yep.

524

I think we have to have-

And it's a- Yeah, go ahead.

525

Go ahead I was gonna say, I think we

have to have that conversation with

526

ourselves that are like, "Okay, let's

pro-," but, I can say that now, I'm

527

older, but I couldn't say it then.

528

No.

529

Let's process, you, like you just said.

530

Let's look at this.

531

Yeah.

532

We don't have the logical

thinking brain yet at that point.

533

We're just not…

534

Our brains aren't s- aren't

evolved enough to do that.

535

Yeah.

536

So we do the only thing we know, which

is survive and protect the people that

537

are supposed to protect us, period.

538

Yeah.

539

It's, this sounds, it's cool.

540

So it's the app.

541

Is it an ongoing…

542

Is it just cumulative build,

or is it stuff you keep

543

going back to different ones?

544

Or how does it work?

545

Oh, yeah.

546

Oh, for sure.

547

The more you listen to it, the deeper

you go with the processing things

548

that have happened in your life.

549

Okay … and I like I really

mean it's so super safe.

550

It's a super safe way- Okay … to do it.

551

And people that have done

it are like, "Oh my God."

552

They have these big realizations

about their life, and I think it

553

releases- It releases a lot of

things that are, holding onto you.

554

And they actually use the word

healing when they're describing it.

555

I s- it's like I felt so

healed from that experience.

556

So- … that's, I just

wanna put that out there.

557

No, 'cause that's great.

558

And I think it touches that, yeah.

559

Yeah.

560

Because the release is the healing.

561

That's what…

562

I do a lot of the mind-body connection,

and it's like you said, until you get

563

it out of your body and your body knows.

564

You can say, "I forgive him," and you

can logically know, "I forgive him,"

565

but then you see him and your whole body

clenches, then you're not forgiven and

566

you're not energetically over anything.

567

And as long as that's in

your body, it stays with you.

568

So it's, yeah, any time- … you

can have that big cathartal-

569

cathartic it's a release.

570

Yeah.

571

And I think it's the intention too.

572

Let's just say you pick one of the apps,

like the, you wanna sol- you wanna look

573

at your food habits, and you pick one of

those, and then you continually do it.

574

It's almost like a, How do I say it?

575

It's your intention behind that.

576

I'm gonna get I'm gonna…

577

Let me put myself on this nourishing path

for that, and let me get some, successes,

578

some shifts, some neutralizations around

different parts of my food ex- food

579

journey, we all have one, I don't know

anybody that says, I love the way I eat.

580

I love the way I nourish myself."

581

Nobody…

582

I don't…

583

Let's get the, let's get humanity

to that point where they're

584

like, "I love the way…"

585

I'm starting to say that just

because the intention behind

586

everything is all of it, right?

587

It's the whole intention

behind that experience, and

588

then things start to shift.

589

And I thought the biggest thing

for me was, I was like this, I

590

loved choc- I love chocolate.

591

I love choc- I don't even want it anymore.

592

It's the weirdest thing.

593

It's like I'm neutrali- I

call it all of these things,

594

neu- that I was obsessed with.

595

Crunchy tortillas, these kind of things.

596

I, and now I'm like, "Ugh," but-

Yeah, if you have it, but you're

597

not like, "I gotta have chocolate."

598

No, I don't…

599

It's even better than that.

600

I don't even want it, yeah.

601

Inside of me, I'm like, they're like…

602

And my body, I get a yes or a no now.

603

Oh, and I ask for that, by the way.

604

I ask my body to give me an answer.

605

Do we have a d- do we yes, do we

want it, or do we no, do we not

606

want it, and I ask my body to, to

inform me- What is, what I want.

607

What do I really want?

608

I don't…

609

It's denying ourselves, we know that.

610

Denying our- denying ourselves something

is even more catastrophic because

611

then we become obsessed with it.

612

So- It's like you, what's the old saying?

613

… I'm like, "Okay, you want it?"

614

Yeah, the old saying you always

want what you can't have.

615

So it's if you know you're trying not to

do that, you're like, I want it," where-

616

… you might not have even thought about it.

617

What does your body test look like to you?

618

It's- Like I- … for

me, it's a voice now.

619

Okay.

620

Is it a voice?

621

So it just answers your voice.

622

No, mine is a sway.

623

I do the sway testing.

624

I do, I started out with the sway testing-

… but it's really now turned into yeah,

625

it's the same voice that was, telling me

not so great things about myself, that I

626

was- … fighting with and arguing with,

has turned into now "Eh, you know what?

627

We don't need it," or, "We don't want it."

628

Yeah.

629

"Eh, no."

630

I do listen for the voice too, and

that voice does come to me now.

631

I'll be like do I really need this?"

632

And it's "No, you don't."

633

Or, I'll be like what am I

supposed to be doing here?"

634

And it'll say something like,

"Just keep going," or, not that.

635

Like I'm like, "Okay."

636

Yeah.

637

But- I'm like- … but most of the

time I still- I think the voice…

638

Don't you think it activates your voice?

639

I think it does.

640

And to me- Yeah … to me, and I

don't know what you're thinking about

641

this, is but to me it's the fact that

we are born all-knowing universally

642

in image of whatever you want to say

your God is, but- I feel like we were

643

born with all of that knowledge in us,

and then we stopped listening to it.

644

And so now- Absolutely … it's

literally just you telling you

645

because you are all-knowing.

646

That's that gut instinct, so listen to it.

647

Yeah.

648

We stopped listening to

it for whatever reason.

649

Yeah.

650

And we all did, almost all of us.

651

Yeah.

652

Plus it keeps us company.

653

There you go.

654

That, there's that too.

655

It's like our, it's our friend.

656

We're making our mind our ally.

657

Y- Yeah … like we can trust.

658

I think that's the key thing.

659

We get to develop a trust with

our minds and our voice- Oh,

660

that we're like, "Oh, okay.

661

So I have somebody to rely on.

662

I don't have to go out and

ask somebody else who doesn't

663

really know what is good for…"

664

Other people don't really

know what's good for us.

665

It'd be great if we could just check in

sometimes, but we don't need to, right?

666

If we have our- … our voice and our body

and our spirit talking to us on some- Yep

667

level that's affirming.

668

I think the word is affirmation.

669

Affirming us in our daily- oh,

and that, that's another thing.

670

What we can do, this is a good one.

671

What we can do is just things

that we already know, yes

672

or no questions to, right?

673

Isn't that how you develop that?

674

We ask, okay higher power,

higher self, God, Whatever.

675

my inner self, my soul.

676

What do we, what should we do?

677

Like you just said, what should we do?

678

What…

679

And then once we start to

develop that, it starts to come

680

without us even, noticing it.

681

It's just starts to show up.

682

Yep.

683

Yep.

684

And that's, I think, the

biggest thing, is trusting it.

685

Trusting what it tells you

because- … I didn't for a long time.

686

Yeah.

687

B- and it just depends.

688

It depends on- … where

you were in the process.

689

But, it sounds like your process, whether

it's the book, the app, or whatever it

690

is, it sounds like it's, you can inter-

intertwine it into your life at any point.

691

It's not like you have to be

on this certain path or on this

692

certain point in your journey.

693

That's why I ask the trauma

informed stuff, 'cause I'm

694

picturing me sitting there.

695

It's so many people are at so close to

the beginning of having no awareness, no

696

anything, but it sounds like this is a…

697

you can integrate this pretty

quickly into any stage of your life.

698

Yes.

699

For sure.

700

For sure.

701

You just…

702

It's like when I say the

nourishing path and, all the

703

stuff that goes with it, it's-

704

it's something we can align

with w- and immediately.

705

And I s- like I said in the beginning

this nourishing path is a mantra.

706

Okay, I'm on the path of

nourishment, so the…

707

We're creating whatever we're creating.

708

We're creating this wonderful path,

and we're creating this, no matter

709

what happens, it could be any aspect

of your life, whatever's happening is

710

benefiting us on some level, right?

711

And we are always there acknowledging

ourself in the right place and it

712

just expands, and it expands itself.

713

Yeah.

714

I love that.

715

Yeah.

716

You said it right in the beginning.

717

You said it perfectly where you

said w- in this nourishment phase

718

or in this nourishment journey

or whatever we're looking at life

719

as happening for us, not to us.

720

Yeah.

721

And when you flip that mindset,

that is a huge piece of the puzzle.

722

So huge.

723

It really is.

724

Yeah.

725

So talk a little bit more about your

book, and where we can find it and

726

all that good stuff, and how to get on

your app and- … what that looks like.

727

So it's on Amazon, and

I'll just pull it up.

728

Okay.

729

I'll put the link in

there in the show notes.

730

Yeah, put the link in there.

731

It's called Nourish.

732

I'm so proud of the cover too because-

I like it … it's like a bowl.

733

It's like filling your bowl up.

734

Your bowl is your soul.

735

It's your life and…

736

and the app you could find under

the App Store- Okay … if you're on

737

Apple, and it's called the Nourish app.

738

And my website is Isabelle, I-S-A-B-E-L,

dash Chiara, C-H-I-A-R-A .com,

739

and everything's there.

740

All the books, all of the books.

741

I have a few other books

also that I've written.

742

This is my third one.

743

And I've just finished my, a new book,

which is called Nourish 365, which

744

was a way to write down on a daily

basis what how to nourish yourself.

745

So it's like a blueprint.

746

It's like a blow-by-blow

every day- Oh, nice

747

"Hey, do this," and then I give you

practices, and you could fill it out.

748

You could write in the book, and you

could fill it out, and you d- you

749

don't have to follow it day by day,

but you could just open the book up and

750

say- … "Hey, what do I need today?"

751

And then, it'll tell you.

752

But that's not out yet.

753

That's gonna come out in September.

754

But I'm definitely s- I love this path.

755

It's been the only-

756

that's been, like, so nourishing

for me in my life- … so to speak.

757

It's it's a huge message.

758

And if humanity can get on board

with this message, I think it's gonna

759

really change con- human consciousness,

who doesn't wanna- Yes … look at

760

their life as, amazing wonderful,

and, joyful- Exactly … and yeah.

761

Yeah.

762

Nobody wants to go

around and not be happy.

763

They don't wake up in the morning and…

764

I work a lot of people

that have addictions.

765

People don't wake up in the morning and

go, "I think I'll drink myself to death

766

and ruin my family and destroy my life."

767

Sounds like fun.

768

They don't do that . There's other

things going on in their mind.

769

There's reasons that you…

770

There's a…

771

It's a whole, it's a whole

journey, and it's not one thing.

772

It's not one moment.

773

But you have to kinda take

every moment at a time.

774

Like one moment- … at a time,

and make the better decisions- Yeah

775

and the more nourishing

decisions, I guess you could say.

776

And what if they are focused?

777

What if they were able to f- change

their focus and shift their focus?

778

It sounds easier than it…

779

It sounds easier than it really is,

but it is easy to tell you the truth.

780

We have to replace…

781

I think we have to replace the

things, how we look at things to- Yeah

782

something that would work for

us that we could buy into.

783

Yep.

784

Yep.

785

And just getting curious.

786

I tell everybody, just instead of judging,

that's like step number one, and I'm

787

sure that's in your whole process is be-

just being curious instead of judgmental.

788

Instead of having that inner voice

say, "What's wrong with you?"

789

be like, "Why did I…"

790

"Why?"

791

Instead of saying- … you

know what I mean?

792

Just ask yourself- Yeah … different

questions is, can be nourishing in itself.

793

Yeah.

794

Curiosity softens everything.

795

You're really changing, you're really

changing the whole conversation

796

that you have with yourself.

797

I think that's- really

kinda underlying everything.

798

Yep.

799

Because saying one thing to yourself

that is not nice or healthy or…

800

you're really trying to get

to the point of self-love.

801

Let's just- … let's just say that's

really ultimately, and that would create

802

just a sense of joy and in our lives.

803

Perfect.

804

I love it.

805

Thank you so much for coming on, Isabelle.

806

I appreciate you, and I'm gonna,

like I said I'll put a reference to

807

the first episode 'cause it was…

808

The conversation I'm sure- … was

completely different maybe-

809

Yeah … but a little bit the same.

810

But so people know where to

work with how to find you, we're

811

gonna have all of those- Right

812

links in the show notes so

people- … don't have to

813

drive or do anything like that.

814

Stop driving and write it down.

815

But if you could give the listeners, now

I'm sure by now they've probably gotten a

816

ton of messages from you, but what would

be something your big words of wisdom

817

that you could give them for today?

818

I just wanted to say, one, I also

have a gift for your listeners,

819

and it's- Oh, okay … 10 ways,

10 ways to nourish your life.

820

Okay.

821

And so if they write in, and

they'll get this free gift from us.

822

And, I'm sorry, your question was…

823

Okay, I think the biggest thing is that

your inner world is shaping your outer

824

life, and that as we shift how we hold

everything in our life, every single

825

thing we do, if we start to shift how

we hold, "How else can I hold this?

826

What else can I do?"

827

As we start to shift that, we'll start to

notice that the words that we're saying to

828

ourselves, and we'll notice that the way

we li- lighten up, whoo, lighten up our

829

lives, are gonna start to totally shift.

830

And I don't wanna say

it's gonna take years.

831

It's not gonna take years.

832

It's gonna take, and you could have

a huge shift in a month, and…

833

not a month, a couple of days that-

Yeah in a moment if you change- In a

834

moment … something that dramatically.

835

But you could have a whole big, more of

a shift and, as the time goes on, where

836

you're like, "Oh my God, I can't believe

I used to think all these things."

837

And now, we're living, you're living

this whole nother life, that you love.

838

I love it.

839

Yeah.

840

I absolutely love it.

841

So thank you again so much for coming on.

842

I appreciate you.

843

Thank you.

844

I appreciate what you're

doing in the world also.

845

It's- thank you.

846

And for everybody else out

there listening, you heard it.

847

It's your body, your mind, and

your spirit, and you need to

848

nourish them in any way, shape, or

form than you can, that you can.

849

Grab her book, grab the app.

850

Just learn to love yourself, and

it's one small step at a time.

851

It's one small little tweak.

852

Sometimes, guys, she said it and she

said nine different things, 10 different

853

things throughout the episode, if you go

back and listen to it again, where it's

854

just these little tweaks, but a little

tweak can have astronomical changes on

855

your entire mindset if you just switch

things a little bit, just little things.

856

So grab it and know that every step

you take walking forward towards a

857

better life is, ah, so worth it, and

that you are worth it, my friends.

858

So you all have a blessed

day, and we will see you back.

859

Thank you.

860

Thank you, and thanks for having me.

861

You're welcome.