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Hiring a second-in-command does not remove the owner bottleneck if every important decision still runs through the owner.

Brian Hoppe sits down with Clay Harris, former CEO of WorkSmart and Certified EOS Implementer, to discuss the systems, leadership, and personal decisions behind growing an MSP from its earliest days to $22 million in revenue and more than 100 employees.

WorkSmart began in 2001 with a group of recent college graduates selling IT services for $40 an hour. Over the next two decades, the company built recurring revenue, completed eight acquisitions, expanded into new markets, and eventually used EOS to break through a ceiling at roughly $5 million.

Clay explains why founders often hold onto responsibilities long after the business has outgrown their involvement. In his case, he was still personally ordering millions of dollars in hardware while serving as CEO of an $18 million company.

He also shares what it actually takes to empower an integrator, why handing someone a messy business is not delegation, and why a professionally managed MSP must give its leadership team real authority instead of forcing every decision back through the founder.

In this episode:

• Why MSP owners create too much chaos or wait too long to act
• How WorkSmart grew to $22 million through organic growth and acquisitions
• Why a well-run company is already being built to sell
• What founders must do before hiring professional management
• Why integrators fail when owners refuse to release control
• How EOS helped WorkSmart triple its monthly recurring revenue
• What MSP owners should consider before selling or stepping away

If your MSP has outgrown the way you currently lead it, this conversation will help you create the clarity, accountability, and leadership structure required for the business to operate without everything depending on you.

Key Moments

0:00 - Introduction

1:07 - Meet Clay Harris

1:59 - What MSP owners get wrong about growth

3:38 - Building WorkSmart from the ground up

7:48 - Growing the MSP to $22 million

10:28 - Organic growth and eight acquisitions

11:46 - Building an MSP to own or sell

14:52 - Preparing the business for professional management

17:19 - Why founders struggle to let go

19:53 - How Clay became his company’s bottleneck

21:22 - Delegating without taking the work back

22:33 - What a true integrator does

25:18 - Finding an identity beyond the MSP

27:48 - Why remaining an owner did not work for Clay

30:19 - Finding purpose after an exit

35:15 - A great life does not require selling the company

37:15 - How EOS changed WorkSmart

39:26 - Growing MRR from $340,000 to $1 million

42:08 - The three things every entrepreneur needs

44:16 - Clay’s biggest leadership mistake

47:47 - Where to connect with Clay Harris

Connect

Brian Hoppe:

https://brianhoppe.com/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianhoppe/

Clay Harris:

https://clayharris.com/

https://implementer.eosworldwide.com/clay-harris/