Malcolm Jamal Warner is the Most Musical Cosby Kid
Episode 161 • 24th October 2024 • Queue Points • Queue Points LLC
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DJ Sir Daniel: Welcome to another episode of Queue Points podcast, dropping

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the needle on black music history.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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my name is Jay Ray, sometimes known by my government

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as Johnny Ray Corning, the third what's happening people.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Jay Ray, can you guess which Cosby kid has the

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strongest hip hop connection?

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Well, because I host this show.

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Yes, I know.

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But even if I didn't host Queue Points, I love music.

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So I would know the answer to this question as well.

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Our good brother, Mr.

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Warner.

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Warner appeared on NBC's mega mega hits, the Cosby show playing

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everyone's favorite fictional son and brother Theo Huxtable for eight.

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Years.

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Jay Ray, he's been on our television sets.

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He was Emmy nominated for the role and he made a permanent impact on our lives.

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Jay Ray, what did his presence on television mean to you?

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So, So Theo at the time, just.

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was like a mirror um, being a little black boy and seeing what the possibilities are.

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able to watch him on TV definitely, um, gave me some inspiration, but

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I would say also as a character was really, um, If he felt real, he felt

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like he could be my neighbor and felt like it could be someone I knew like

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it wasn't over the top or too much.

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It was just like, nah, this could be a boy that lived next door and that

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we probably wouldn't hang out because he would have been older than me.

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He probably would have thought I was a dork, but he would have

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been like my friend's brother.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Right?

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I echo everything you said and finding out that The actor Malcolm Jamal Warner

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was an only child and grew up with his single parent mother kind of endeared

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him to me even more because that was me.

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That was my life.

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And so seeing him on television was just such an inspiration.

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And I literally saw myself on television.

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Theo's room was messy.

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Like mine.

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Every time when Theo started rocking the high top fade, I was like,

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I had to get the high top fade.

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He was literally the blue point, the blue point.

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He was literally the blueprint for the young black boy growing

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up in America at that time.

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And he was definitely one of our, one of our heroes.

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And so this episode, we're going to talk about three reasons why Malcolm

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Jamal Warner was the coolest Cosby kid.

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And Jay Ray, although Bill Cosby.

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And the Cosby show had a wonderful connection to music, right?

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They've had everybody on there from Placido Domingo to Stevie Wonder.

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We can't forget that episode, right?

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That Stevie Wonder, uh, uh, my favorite, Nancy Wilson was on that show.

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I remember her coming down the stairs in the basement because,

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you know, the, the man cave was in the basement at the Cosby show.

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Um, so to that point though, sir, Daniel, for, for me, and this kind of parallels

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Malcolm Jamal's later career in music, the Cosby show introduced us to jazz.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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So as a young kid, I didn't, knew of jazz, but the connection to

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jazz was really different because the Cosby show would actually incorporate

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jazz regularly into the show.

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Cliff and Claire would always drop that, uh, on the, the, the record player.

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So it gave us the opportunity to not just hear the music, but also

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see some of those folks and, and be able to identify with them.

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DJ Sir Daniel: that's right.

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And as much as.

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Dr.

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Cosby, the person was vocally, um, uh, vocally against a lot of

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the imagery that came along with hip hop culture and rap music.

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Very

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DJ Sir Daniel: was very, he was very, he was not hiding his disdain for it, disdain

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for young people culture at the time.

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Um, We cannot dismiss the fact that on season four, episode five of the

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Cosby show, Theo and his best friend cockroach famously played by Carl

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Anthony Payne, the second learn about it.

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Julius Caesar and Shakespeare by putting it all together in the freshest rhyme

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that was ever on primetime television.

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Do you remember friends, Romans, beat

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shout

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out to beat boxing, sir.

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Daniel y'all don't beat box enough and I'm tired of it.

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I need y'all beat boxing more.

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DJ Sir Daniel: boxes, taking the backseat, like how break dancing has,

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we need to talk about that, but that's another conversation, but yes, go ahead.

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Um, that episode, what did that episode do for you, um, growing

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up, seeing that on television?

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Wow.

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So that episode actually so hip hop was kind of.

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in a lot of ways, but only in certain, only on certain radio stations.

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So back then you couldn't get hip hop everywhere.

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It still was not the cultural phenomenon that it became.

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So for me, was just fun seeing two like teenagers rapping,

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you know what I'm saying?

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Because it did feel like what would often be happening in school at the time,

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lunch tables and rhyming at, you know, in lunch tables in school was a total thing.

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I had not.

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Falling in love with hip hop yet personally, right?

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But I had, I knew a bunch of rap songs and I still owned rap records at the

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times, but seeing it on national TV and it being fresh and cool and funny was dope.

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And the other thing was, you know, our parents will always say, timetables.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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This was like that in practice.

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DJ Sir Daniel: absolutely.

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Another reason why, for, you know, why we can't, we can't throw away the

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Cosby show for the, for, for the art, for the list lessons, the reflection

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of real American black American life.

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And we just can't throw it away.

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Um, and so in this episode, we're also talking about, um, how Malcolm

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Jamal played a role in that.

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And his connection to music and getting ready for this episode, though, Jay Ray,

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I was shocked to hear that you didn't know about this one very important stint

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that Malcolm Jamal had on television

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I did not remember this.

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Um, so Malcolm Jamal Warner did a stint as the host for his Showtime at the Apollo.

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And I've seen a clip of it and what's really funny about the clip.

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He's this very, you know, Bill Cosby and whatever, and Jell O pudding.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and the pudding.

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know.

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Right.

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But it was very clear that Bill Cosby did some coaching about how to be on stage.

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But aside from that.

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It's Showtime at the Abalo holds a really special place.

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in my heart, I, I closely, uh, identified it, identify it with Sunday dinner

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because, uh, it came on, on Sundays and we could watch the show while we ate Sunday

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dinner because we had a TV in the kitchen.

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And, um, but I did not remember Michael Jamar Warner had a

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stent, uh, hosting that show.

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And.

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It is major that like a 16, 17 year old hosting a nationally syndicated

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show from the Apollo stage.

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Like that is a legendary stage.

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So, um, I didn't remember it, but, um, I'm glad that it happened.

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It's so funny that

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you

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DJ Sir Daniel: said, so Sundays is when you caught Showtime at the Apollo in

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Brooklyn, in New York, Showtime at the Apollo followed Saturday night live.

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So for me, Showtime at the Apollo was part of my light late night television.

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You know, get away since all the adults in the, you know, we're having

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their fun in the clubs and whatnot.

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I was watching SNL and I was watching Showtime at the Apollo and just getting

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to see Malcolm Jamal Warner on that stage, commanding that stage and being

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the MC for the whole show and seeing him introduce acts like another bad

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creation and MC brains, and probably my favorite performance of all time.

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he introduced Salt-N-Pepa in 1987, right before like push it really hit at Jay Ray.

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You haven't seen that episode, right?

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have not seen that

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DJ Sir Daniel: We got to watch it together.

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I don't remember it.

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Let me say it that way, but we have to watch it.

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DJ Sir Daniel: We have to watch it.

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So listen, Queue Points viewers, listen, if you want to see Jay Ray's reaction to

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seeing salt and pepper, um, I believe they perform chick on the side and they also

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perform, they fought, they perform push it when push it was like starting to get hot.

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So we got to watch that together.

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Um, Subscribe make sure you know that when we when we're watching it You're

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invited to watch it along with us

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And drop it, uh, let drop us an inbox, drop it in the

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comments if you want to watch it.

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Um, but we should definitely check that out.

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That would be super fun.

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But yeah, I had no idea, or I did not remember that Michael Jamal Warner,

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um, did a stint as a host, but when you brought it up and it was like a little

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clip of him, I'm like, Oh, that's wow.

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That's the thing.

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DJ Sir Daniel: and I made him and so he's like the coolest Teenager in

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black Hollywood at this point like he's on a major major um A major

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television show, a sitcom on NBC, and he's coming into contact with all

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these up and coming stars as well, specifically in the music industry.

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So of course, it just makes sense that at some point they're going to invite

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him to the set of their music videos and he's going to start making cameos.

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Right.

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DJ Sir Daniel: He was in Houdini's, um, funky beat and Jay Ray.

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At the beginning.

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Yep.

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And Jay Ray, do you remember he was in Michael Jackson's Liberian girl?

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So no, I didn't remember that, but every, We have to do something around

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Michael Jackson's Liberian girl, because you want to talk about a flex, everybody,

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everybody who was in that music video.

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Michael Jackson was the dude at that point.

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DJ Sir Daniel: We should, we should probably do a live watch on that as well.

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And count the cameos, just count the cameos.

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Cause

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can name.

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DJ Sir Daniel: see who we,

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Right.

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Cause I'm sure it's like, wow.

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I know that face.

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I do not remember that name.

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DJ Sir Daniel: absolutely.

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So the, I guess the progression of a young person, especially if you're intelligent

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and you're soaking up everything around you, the progression of somebody growing

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up on television is that they, Start directing, you know, if you're, if you,

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if you have that talent and you, you see what's going on behind the cameras.

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So guess what?

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Uh, Malcolm Jamal Warner becomes like the youngest and the hottest music

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video director on the scene because he starts, um, directing a few of

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your favorite music videos, including new additions and eHeartbreak.

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absolutely.

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Um, that was the first time I remember realizing that Malcolm Jamal Warner had

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had kind of moved into that direction.

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What's interesting about that period of time, I think we've talked about

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this before on the show is later.

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MTV and BET started to add directors names because music video

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directing became like a whole thing.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes.

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then it was like, you didn't really know who directed any music video.

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It was just like a job for folks.

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But Malcolm Jamal Warner, I remember watching the Any Heartbreak video,

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which in itself was a moment.

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And then he appeared on camera.

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So that's what told like that he was behind the scenes.

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So he had like the thing and he was like back there, like directing.

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And I'm like, Oh snap.

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They all directed now.

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Who

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DJ Sir Daniel: You know, and grown up and he's directing music

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videos and talk about cameos.

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That video was chock full of cameos to you had heavy D and the boys,

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: JJ fad was in the video, the boys.

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And I mean, like Hakim

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video.

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DJ Sir Daniel: all those kids.

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Yeah, they were in that music video.

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Mm

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DJ Sir Daniel: And one of my favorite music videos directed

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by Malcolm Jamal Warner is of course, Brooklyn's own special ed.

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I'm the magnificent

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to

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DJ Sir Daniel: where he makes a cameo in that.

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Well,

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Yes.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So did you know that he also Malcolm, uh,

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directed the five star video?

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Remember five star, they had a video for their song.

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I love you for sentimental reasons.

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He directed that video.

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And so I went back.

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I did not remember that, but I went back and I watched that video.

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First of all, that song still holds up today.

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Um, it's a very 1994 video.

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It looks like, so it's a combination of things happening.

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So you got a little bit of a, of a, um, hip hop bass, slow wine happening.

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There's a Janet Jackson style midriff thing happening with the women.

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It's sepia.

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You know, you got to

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DJ Sir Daniel: Oh yeah.

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You gotta have Scipio.

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Yes.

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um, beautiful song still.

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And a lovely, lovely video.

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Um, I did not remember that, uh, song or that video and y'all

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should go and check it out.

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Um, but I love you for sentimental.

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I love you for sentimental.

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I love you for sentimental reasons.

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DJ Sir Daniel: That way.

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Yes.

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hard to say fast.

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Um, it's a classic, uh, standard in particular in black music.

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So Nat King Cole has done that song and many, many other folks.

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So, yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So, you know, while we're talking about Malcolm Jamal Warner and

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his foray into hip hop music and hip hop music videos, we got to, there's

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a sidebar here that I don't know if a lot of people know, but Jay Ray, did

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you know that Malcolm Jamal Warner.

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Introduced MC light to the world of voiceover work.

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Oh, that's a great fact.

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I did not know that.

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DJ Sir Daniel: So, um, you know, in crossing paths, MC light and Malcolm

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were, you know, crossing paths and she, and she was like, Hey, you

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know, ask them, how do you get into the voiceover work or whatever?

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And he passed on his.

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Agents information to MC light, which is not something that happens a lot.

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He was like, Oh, here, here's her name and number.

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Well, here's the, here's my agent's name and number.

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Uh, and, um, they got in contact and MC light was able to book.

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Like three major commercials back to back from that beginning.

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And now she's the voice of the BET awards among other things.

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So we have Malcolm Jamal Warren to thank for introducing L Y T E MC light

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to the world of voiceover acting.

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I love that fact so much.

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Um, it shows that there is room,

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yes,

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saying?

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Like we don't have to gatekeep everything.

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Like you don't have to be the only one.

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So the fact that Malcolm was like willing, first of all, he's probably

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like, I'm Malcolm Jamal Warner is fine.

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I'm a get work.

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DJ Sir Daniel: exactly.

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you to get work too, sis.

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You know what I mean?

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I love that so much.

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Thanks for sharing that fact.

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I had no idea.

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Yes,

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DJ Sir Daniel: begin to wrap up this episode of Queue Points, you know,

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Malcolm is just like the quintessential Renaissance man, uh, actor, host,

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director, uh, dancer, cause he dances in the videos also, but Malcolm also.

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Had started a new career as a full fledged musician.

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absolutely.

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Yeah, Malcolm, Malcolm Jamal Warner's miles long.

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So Malcolm Jamal Warner is an accomplished bass player.

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Um, miles long is really interesting to that point.

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It's a jazz funk band, um, with some hip hop leanings.

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he is a spoken word artist, um, Grammy winning, spoken Grammy winning now.

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So the last miles long album, 22, 2022 was nominated for a Grammy,

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but he ended up winning a Grammy.

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In like 2015 for, um, his appearance on, uh, Robert Glasper's black radio too.

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and so he's absolutely.

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Accomplished musician and spoken word artists.

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And I think what's interesting is Malcolm Jamal Warner is helping to

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carry on the legacy of spoken word.

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We don't get a lot of that.

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We of course grew up with spoken word as part of our experience.

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You know, we would have it on TV.

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We would have it as part of the hip hop experience.

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Remember all the black people snapping in love Jones.

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You know what I'm saying?

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You've got to snap and

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DJ Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Right.

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And it's a lot of this.

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I mean, I wrote poetry.

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I definitely performed.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Oh God.

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I think we all had a stint in the spoken word

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You walk up onto the mic and

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DJ Sir Daniel: and we connected through spoken word like Jay Ray and

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I are doing here on Queue Points.

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You know what?

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You just unlock the memory.

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I met Malcolm Jamal Warner, shout out to Joyce Littell.

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Um, Of V one Oh three fame here in Atlanta, Georgia

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from W V E V one Oh three.

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Joyce Littell has a long running and fantastic show called passion and poetry,

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which combines spoken word and, um, and, and music, all types of music to

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inspire love within the black community.

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And one of the, one of the special guests when here was Malcolm Jamal Warner.

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And.

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I got to escort him to his dressing room and to the stage, Jay Ray.

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How could I not remember that?

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That is so wild.

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I got to meet Malcolm Jamal Warner and.

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It was just one of those and I, I was trying, I didn't fan boy,

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Yeah.

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DJ Sir Daniel: but I did mention, I was like, Hey man, you know, of course I grew

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up watching you and you meant a lot to me growing up and I think I'm, I'm, I'm,

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I kept it cool, but I just had to drop that on him and just let him know, wow.

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That just came to me just now, Jay Ray.

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I thank you for, for suggesting that we do this.

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but you know what?

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What I love about you telling that story is it was clear that Malcolm was cool

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and it wasn't like a bad story because you know, we always front of mind.

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Remember the celebrities that we've met?

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They'd be like, I never want to meet them again.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Oh man,

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And clearly that was not the case with Malcolm Jamal Warner because

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when people are, you know what I'm saying?

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That would have been devastating.

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DJ Sir Daniel: meet your heroes.

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But in that instance, it was a good encounter.

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Wow.

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Shout out to Malcolm's more Warner

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DJ Sir Daniel: Shout out to Malcolm Jamar Warner.

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just being and giving little black boys hope that you know, you could

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do whatever it is that you want to do.

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DJ Sir Daniel: Including these two black boys doing Queue Points

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podcast right here, right now.

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Jay Ray, let the people know how they can get in contact and keep

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seeing two black boys, um, do their joyful work and Queue Points podcast.

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And what do I always say?

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You can either pick up the needle or you correct in this life.

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You have a choice.

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Name is Jay Ray y'all

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