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Episode 21 • 8th May 2024 • Podcasting People • The Sound Boutique
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Behind The Show is part of Podcasting People.

Host: Gareth Davies

Guest: Danny Brown

In this episode, I chat with serial podcaster Danny Brown - Head of Podcaster Support & Experience at podcast hosting company Captivate - about the tools he uses to make his shows.

Hardware

Stellar X2 Large Capsule Condenser Microphone

Shure SM7B

Joby Wavo Boom Arm

Elgato Low Profile Wave Mic Arm

RØDECaster Pro II

Elgato Facecam

MacBook Air M1 2020 

Sony MDR-7506

Software

Hindenburg Pro 2

Boomcaster

WhisperScript

Vidyo

Accusonus Era Bundle 6

Do you use any of the same tools as Danny? How are you getting on with them? Let me know!

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Speaker:

Gareth (2): Hello podcasting people and

welcome to another episode of Behind

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the Show where I chat to you podcasters

to find out more about you and what

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you're using to make your podcasts.

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In this episode you're

going to be hearing from Mr.

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Danny Brown, Head of Podcaster

Support and Experience at podcast

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hosting platform Captivate.

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Danny has a number of shows on the

go and uses a whole bunch of hardware

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and software to help him make them

sound as good as they possibly can.

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If you enjoy this podcast, you

can let me know in the comments

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down below and give it a like.

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I'd love to build podcasting people up

into a welcoming and supportive community.

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So any word spreading and recommendation

will be greatly appreciated.

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Now, if you're sitting comfortably,

don't worry about taking notes,

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because all the tools Danny mentions

are also in a neat list in the post.

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Slash show notes with

handy links to said things.

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So kick back and enjoy

this chat with Danny Brown.

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Gareth: Danny Brown,

welcome to behind the show.

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Danny Brown: Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And I'm looking forward

to this new episode.

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I apologize.

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This new show, but probably the

new episode once this is released.

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Gareth: Yes.

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Yeah.

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I've had one episode out, which

I should have shared with you

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actually, because it was my setup.

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So did a solo episode where I

talked through my hardware and

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software and, uh, I had a star

of the show, which was Calendly.

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So, I just find that.

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That has saved me so much time.

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And time really is the thing, isn't it?

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You know, before recording we were talking

about video and how long that takes.

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And so, yeah, for me that was,

it's just such a time saver.

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All the automating, all the

intros and, uh, after the show

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and, you know, this and that.

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But first, before we dive into your setup,

it would be good to let listeners know

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who you are, who you work for, what

kind of shows you do, because, I mean, you

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are, I think, , like me, you've described

yourself as a serial podcaster, uh, any

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excuse to start something new, so, yeah,

give us a little background, Danny.

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Danny Brown: Yeah, sure.

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So my name's Danny Brown, not to

be mistaken for the Detroit rapper,

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um, which I used to get mistaken for

when I was on Twitter previously.

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I used to have an old account

on Twitter before my latest one.

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Um, and I used to get a lot of his fans

tweeting me some interesting stuff.

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Um, and he actually connected

with me to apologize.

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He's no, no, it's all good.

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It's all fun.

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Um, so anywho.

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Um, so yeah, my name's Danny Brown.

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Um, as you mentioned, I

am a serial podcaster.

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I've been podcasting on and off

for 10 years, but consistently

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for the last seven years now.

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Um, I have multiple shows.

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I've got three active at the

moment, uh, two, which are my own.

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One I co host with my colleague at

Captivate, which is where I work in.

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Captivate is, uh, primarily it's

a podcast hosting, distribution,

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analytics, and monetization platform

for serious indie podcasters.

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Gareth: Yeah, and by the way, uh,

that podcast, I mean, all of your

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shows are fantastic in and around

podcasting, that you co host

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with Mark Asquith of Captivate.

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It's brilliant.

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It's just of a breath of fresh air,

I think, in the kind of landscape

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of podcasts about podcasting.

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For sure, um, and I was lucky enough

to be a guest on, one of your shows.

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My other podcast is, so, maybe I'll put

the link to those shows in the, in the

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show notes for people to find easily.

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okay, so we're here to

talk about your setup.

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I'm looking at your, maybe I can

take a, uh, a squad shot, they call

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it on Squadcast, to show everyone

your background because you've got.

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We've got similar acoustic tiles, haven't

we, but yours, yours are funky colours.

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Danny Brown: I've been told that

they're aggressive, which was not

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the look and feel I was going for.

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Um, I, I used to have like,

um, so I, I moved offices.

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Uh, this is like my home office at home.

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It's not huge.

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Now it's my daughter's old bedroom.

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But previously I had, uh, a

blue background, like blue wall,

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blue hardwood, hard, whatever

material walls are made of.

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I've no idea.

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So that was blue anyway, and it

had some black, much like you've

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got in the background there,

Gareth, with the, the, you know,

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the, the sound panels behind you.

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So it was black and blue.

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Um, so I thought I'm going to go

for a change now that I'm in a

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different room, and I like red, but

sometimes it can be a bit bright and

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aggressive, I guess, but I like it.

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Gareth: I don't think, didn't

cross my mind, honestly, it's

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just funky is the word I'd use.

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Anyway, should I take a photo of that?

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Do you mind?

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Uh, okay, uh, so, It'll give a countdown.

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There we go.

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I think you'll get that as well,

which is a nice little feature.

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There

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Danny Brown: Oh, there it is.

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Yep.

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Gareth: don't know what my face is doing.

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There we go.

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Anyway, a very nice setup.

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So for your shows that, that you

do, I'm, I'm guessing that for in

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and around podcasting, you mentioned

Mark does a lot of the video.

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so for different shows, I guess

you do different things, in

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your production kind of process.

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but for a typical, maybe for one

of your own shows, like a, a lot of

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us, Uh, making shows, by ourselves

and being every step of the process,

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let's go through what you would use.

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So, hardware, what do you use?

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Danny Brown: Sure, so I'm from a

mic, so let's do mics, I'm speaking

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into at the moment, obviously.

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So I switched between a condenser,

so at the moment I'm on my TZ

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audio stellar x2 condenser mic.

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And I've been using this primarily as my

main mic since about Christmas, I guess.

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And if I'm not using this, I've

got over there, I've got like

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the, um, Shure SM7B, for dynamic.

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And really it's about, you know,

what's my recording environment like.

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So if I'm at home, I'll be using

the condenser, um, because I'm

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in my sort of treated room, etc.

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But if I'm out somewhere and I'm doing a

local interview or anything like that, I

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SM7B because that's dynamic, so it's more

forgiving for background noise rejection.

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And a couple of other dynamics

that I've got just hidden

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away that I'll use for that.

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Um, so that's on the mic side.

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Gareth: By the way, just jumping in,

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You hit on a very good point

there, which was to treat the room.

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So, you sound really, really good.

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Um, I'm not

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Danny Brown: well, thank

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you.

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Gareth: kind of post for fixing the

audio or anything, because you've

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already considered what's around you.

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and then, you know, that's

half the battle, isn't it?

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To sound good through the microphone.

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Anyway,

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Danny Brown: Oh, no, and it's funny, it's

one of the things I always recommend.

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So I see, I'm very active on

Reddit, for example, and some of the

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podcasting groups on Facebook, etc.

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And any time I see podcasters asking

what equipment should I buy, and people

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all jump on and say, oh, you need

to get the SM7B, you need to get the

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3, 000 Neumann, you need to get the

Rodecaster Pro 2, blah, blah, blah.

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No, you don't.

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You can get great sound

if your room is treated.

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It doesn't have to be perfectly

treated, but add some soft, you know,

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uh, furnishings to it, so blankets

on the wall if you're not on camera,

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for example, cushions, you know,

chairs, a rug to cover hardwood floor,

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anything you can soften the room with.

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Start with that, and then you can get

away with using a 50 microphone, and,

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you know, USB straight into your laptop,

keep your cost down, make sure you

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like podcasts and you want to continue

with it, and then you can upgrade.

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I mean, it's taken me seven, eight years.

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To get to the stage where I'm pretty happy

with A, the room and B, the equipment.

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So it's, don't jump in and spend

hundreds of pounds or dollars and then

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realise a month later, I don't like

this because I have to do a lot of work.

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So,

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Gareth: absolutely right.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so we've got the microphone down.

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Danny Brown: So that's the microphones.

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So the microphones sit on arms.

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So the Shure is sat on a Joby Wave arm.

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So it's like a traditional boom arm.

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Um, that, you know, goes up and over

your monitor and then comes down the way.

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The arm I'm using on my condenser

is the Elgato, low profile, arm.

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So it's actually down and I

can raise it up if I want.

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But it's basically to keep the arm

and everything out of the shot.

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And all you should really see

is my mic popping upwards.

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So that's the arms.

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From a recording point of view, I

record and I use the Rodecaster Pro 2.

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I will say it's a bit

overkill for my needs.

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Had I known the Roadcaster Duo was

coming out, shortly after I bought

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this thing, I would have waited for the

Roadcaster Duo, because that's got the

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number of inputs that I'd be happy with.

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Gareth: Yeah.

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So is the RODECaster

basically an audio interface?

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I mean,

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what, differentiates it from, say, just

an interface with a couple of inputs?

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Danny Brown: So prior to this I did

use the motto two M two, um, which is

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just basically that is an interface.

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It's got two Mike and puts, I

think it's got one headphone.

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Um, and that's it.

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It's all good.

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Um, the main difference with the

road caster, it allows you to do

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a lot of pre-production stuff, to

save you time on post reduction.

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So I can set up voice profiles and

set up my de essers, my compressor,

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all that kind of cool stuff.

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It has settings for different mics that

you use, or different types of mics.

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So it's got a condenser setting, a

dynamic setting, an SM7B setting,

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a Rode NT1, all that cool stuff.

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It's got a whole bunch of

settings that, that will set the

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presets for you based on the mic.

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So it'll set your gain level,

it'll set the kind of compression

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it needs, the noise gate, etc.

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Cool stuff.

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So it's got a whole

bunch of stuff on there.

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Um, it's got, soundpads so

you can add sound effects and

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upload your own audio files.

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So if you're streaming, you can have

your show intro, you can have like funny

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little dingers, all that cool stuff.

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So it's, it's basically a little

recording studio for your home recording.

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Um, so it's really cool.

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I, I do like it.

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As mentioned, I would say it's

probably overkill for what I need,

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but the duo wasn't out when I got

this, or I would have gone for that.

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Gareth: Oh yeah, I mean the sound effects,

that's appealing to have those in situ.

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I've got a podcast where we go

back in time so I've got this sting

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which is like a ticking clock, but I

always have to describe it and say yeah

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I'm going to put that in afterwards

but yeah it would add to the experience

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wouldn't it to have that in situ.

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Yeah.

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Danny Brown: and all the, uh,

the colored, uh, pads, et cetera.

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And they, they came in and

going, Ooh, what's this?

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So I put on like the little chipmunk

voice effect and the robot, the

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bad robot kind of sound effect.

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And they had the headphones

on, speaking in the microphone.

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They were just playing with it

for an hour, just listening to the

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silly voice effects it could do.

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So yeah, it's, it's really good.

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Um, and I'd recommend if you're, a serious

podcaster that does a lot of recording

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and maybe streaming, et cetera, It's

worth looking at, but like I mentioned,

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maybe the Duo would also meet your

needs, you know, from that point of view.

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It's got all the same

features, just less inputs.

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Gareth: Fantastic.

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So where is the RØDECaster going into?

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Danny Brown: Um, so that's going

into, that goes into my software.

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Uh, just finishing off

on the hardware side.

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Um, so on the hardware, um,

for video, I use the Elgato

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webcam, the face cam, sorry.

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Um, which is fine.

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It's okay, but I've not

got the best lighting set.

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That's one thing I do need

to improve on is my lighting.

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Get that sort.

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just good to go.

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And then just use my mac book Air.

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Uh, it's an M1 2020.

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Nothing special, but it does, it,

it's fine for what I need it for.

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Gareth: Yeah, great.

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I mean, the M1, those chips when they

came out, they're insane, aren't they?

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Basically,

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Danny Brown: One thing is they're

up to, I think the M four or they're

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about to really see M four, I think.

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Which is ridiculous.

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In, in the space of four, well, I guess

four years, like watch up a year maybe.

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Yeah.

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Gareth: so, I mean, these are

expensive machines, aren't they?

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And for the average consumer,

But then, you know, unless you're

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working in tech, you're not really

expected to get every single chip.

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One,

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Danny Brown: No, not exactly.

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And I, like I said, I've had

this since:

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my old Mac for it anyway, so I

probably saved a few bucks there.

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Gareth: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fantastic.

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Okay.

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So, is that it on the hardware

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Danny Brown: Um, I guess the

only thing is these things.

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Very important.

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Obviously, headphones.

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I always recommend you use headphones

when you're recording and editing.

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But yeah, they're the Sony MDR 7506,

um, they're neutral headphones, so

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it means they're not top heavy on

bass or, you know, mid range, etc.

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They'll basically replicate what you're

saying into your mic, and there's

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no latency, so really important.

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Gareth: Fantastic, yes, I find

that level playing field is

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good for mixing music as well.

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getting a true representation.

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Okay, on to the software.

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What do we have?

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Danny Brown: Yep, so recording wise,

so I'll start there, because that

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goes back to the Rodecaster, so that

plugs directly into Hindenburg Pro.

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Or Hindenburg Pro 2 now, as it's

called, but anyway, Hindenburg Pro,

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and that's my DAW, so I record into

that, if I'm recording locally, I'll

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also edit that, and that's where I'll

add any post production, so any audio,

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clean up, all that kind of stuff,

I will do that in Hindenburg Pro.

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I also use, so that's my

recording and editing software.

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If I'm doing remote recording,

so we're using Squadcast at the

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moment, I'll use Boomcaster.

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Very similar platform, it's a remote

recording platform that also offers

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live streaming, separate audio,

video, all the cool stuff that you

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need on a remote recording platform.

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Gareth: And that actually, um,

when I was your guest, and you

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were using Boomcaster, you could,

uh, tailor the background as well,

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couldn't you?

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Danny Brown: hmm.

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Yeah, so you can basically create

as many studios as you want.

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So if you've got multiple podcasts,

you might, I mean, I know you've

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got multiple podcasts, Gareth.

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You could create a separate studio, all of

its own brand and logos, background, etc.

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And then jiggle it.

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So if you want to remove the

logo, and put it over your

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guest's mouth for a bit of fun.

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You can do that.

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It's entirely up to yourself.

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So basically it's just a talking logo.

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But yeah, it's, it's a nice platform.

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So I've used that for two years now.

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Gareth: Yeah.

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Danny Brown: So yeah, Hindenburg

Pro, Boomcaster, um, on transcripts,

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I think transcripts are important.

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It should be in pretty much every show.

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Um, especially cause you

can get them for free now.

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For transcripts, I use

WhisperScript, which is a Mac.

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Uh, app.

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So it's a desktop app.

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You download it.

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So all the transcription is being

done on my Mac and then, you know,

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sent up to get corrected, et cetera.

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Uh, really good, really accurate.

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I found it hard to get a

transcription service that recognizes

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a lot of the words that I say.

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Gareth: Does, does Hindenburg

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Danny Brown: Hindenburg does

have a transcript service.

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I don't use it.

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I don't find it very accurate.

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Um, and I do tend to find it can slow

production down a bit because it's

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processing a whole bunch of stuff.

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So the more plugins you use and the

more effects you add to your audio when

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you're exporting, it can slow it down.

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And I feel that the transcript

sometimes adds to that, that slowness.

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Um, so I try to limit

that as much as I can.

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And like I said, I don't

find it very accurate.

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At least for me.

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I don't think I've got a strong

Scottish accent, but I know it's there.

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Um, so,

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Gareth: I'm joking.

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Danny Brown: so WhisperScript

is the one I use for that.

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I also use, what do I

use else, um, that I use?

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Oh, I've just started using a

tool, called Video, which is, uh,

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it's like a, a clip generator.

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So basically if you have a video,

so obviously my other podcast

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has a video, Option on it.

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And, and then around podcasts

and as a video option.

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So if you use video, basically what you

can do is either connect your YouTube

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account or just add a URL to the episode

that you want to get clipped and that

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will create or use AI and create a

bunch of clips you can use on TikTok,

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Reels, YouTube Shorts, et cetera.

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And I've always, I've always been

very skeptical with these tools.

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I've tried some and found them to make

interesting clip choices that have

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nothing to do with what I was actually.

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Talking about, um, but I found video

to be really cool at identifying,

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that'd be a good clip, that'd be a

good clip, and having good starting

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and ending points, um, for these clips.

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So I've just been messing about with

that for the last, I'm going to say

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two, three weeks actually, it's very

new to me, but I do like the results,

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um, so I might continue to use that.

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Gareth: Ah, that's fantastic.

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So that rounds off the

software, in your workflow.

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Danny Brown: thing, sorry.

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One other thing.

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I just remembered when you mentioned

post production that, that just

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triggered me and says, yeah,

I got something else as well.

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Um, so I know a lot of people use

iZotope tools, for post production,

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audio, prepare, optimization, et cetera.

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And awesome tool set.

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I've used iZotope myself, but

I, what I use is Accusonus.

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Um, now they're no longer around.

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Unfortunately, they got

purchased by Meta back in:

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I'm going to say, or even 2022.

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But what they do, very similar.

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So you've got de breath, de

s, de clicker, noise remover.

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All that cool stuff that you

can really fix, you know,

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um, the sound of your audio.

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So I've still got that.

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It still works and it's

on perpetual license now.

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So when they got bought by Meta,

every license owner that they had

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using their software, they just gave

them a complete perpetual license.

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It'll never run out and you

can use the software as long

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as it works with your hardware.

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No, so that's fine.

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It works for now.

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If Hindenburg ever made an update that

broke that, I'm sure I'm guessing I'd have

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to switch over to Izotope or something.

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But at the moment, Accusonus Era Bundle

6, awesome collection of tools, and it's

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a shame that they're no longer around.

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Gareth: I use something called Supertone

Clear, which does a very similar thing.

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It's all based on AI EI, it's

not O McDonald, uh, based on AI,

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and it's called, D Noise and D

Reverb Voice Separator, basically.

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So if it ever does run out, your

license, then, that's a new one,

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a relatively new one on the market.

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Um, it's down for, it's on

sale at the moment for 69,

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but works really, really effectively.

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Um, If you want that quick fix, I mean

obviously you can go down the rabbit

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hole of doing things yourself with EQs

and limiters and all the rest of it.

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so yeah, okay, are we ready

for the star of the show?

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Which bit of your whole production

process is the superstar?

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what is it for you Danny?

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What could you not do without?

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Danny Brown: I'm going to say Hindenburg.

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I know I just berated him a little bit

for the processing time it can take for

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exporting files, but again, that's because

you've added certain repair plugins,

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etc, which is always going to add, you

know, to the process and speed, etc.

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But what I like about Hindenburg,

there's a lot of things I like about it.

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I veered away from it

for the longest time.

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I tried it years ago.

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I found it interesting, but clunky.

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The user interface was clunky.

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And again, we were speaking about

platforms that were clearly built

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by developers and not creators.

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And I think Hindenburg at the time

was probably built by journalists,

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maybe, working with developers.

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Um, because it was originally

meant to make it really easy for

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journalists to edit audio and get

audio stuff out for the radio.

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That's where the background

of Hindenburg came from.

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And they've cleaned that up a lot

and had a lot of features released

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over the last couple of years.

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I jumped back in and what I like about

Hindenburg, so some of the features

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it does, you upload your audio file

and immediately that will remove any

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noise in the background and it will

also bring up your levels or lower

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your levels to get to a nice level

peak when you upload your audio.

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So if you've got two or three speakers

and you upload separate audio files for

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each speaker, obviously, that will look

and say, okay, He's at minus 23, he's

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at minus 12, and she's at minus 19.

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Let's balance them all out and

get them at a consistent rate.

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So it does that for you.

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Um, the interface is really

clean when you want to edit.

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So you've got big waveforms.

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You can see where all

the ums are right away.

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You can just sort of highlight

that and get rid of them.

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Go away, ums.

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Get out.

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Um, so it sees that right away.

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Um, It's VST plugin compatible so

it supports iZotope, Accusonus,

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the one he mentioned, etc.

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Um, so it's got full plugin support.

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Um, and on the Xbort, now it also

has a new feature where you can

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actually optimise the audio for video.

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So you can record a video like we're

doing now, download this from Squadcast,

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and upload that to Hindenburg, do your

audio repair, and chuck that back out.

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So now all the audio will be recorded.

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to your profile settings with the video

that we've recorded on Squadcast, you're

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not Reliant on the Squadcast audio or

Riverside audio or Boomcaster audio, etc.

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Gareth: Yeah.

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Danny Brown: I think one of the things

I really do like about it is on the

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export So if I add chapters to my audio

that goes out on the export and that

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gets picked up by Captivate when I'm

creating my episode It puts in the

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chapter markers for me and I add an

image or a URL if I want to expand it

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a bit But it also allows you to set to

the right LUFS setting for podcasting.

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Everybody should be mixing to

minus 16 on mono or minus 19 on

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stereo.

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But,

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Gareth: are broadcast industry

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Danny Brown: broadcast standards, exactly.

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And Apple Podcasts, which, let's face

it, Maybe not smart, not so much Spotify.

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They'll disagree, but Apple is

the big player still in the room.

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They kind of dictate what the

standards are, so they'll set the

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artwork standards, the, the, the sound

standards, the love standards, et cetera.

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So yeah, minus 16, you can set

all that so you know that you're

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exporting exactly the way it should.

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For the loudness level on podcast apps,

which is a major saving point because

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I know a lot of times before I used

Hindenburg, I would have to upload

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my exported file from GarageBand,

for example, and stick that up to

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Authonic, do a lot of auto repair

on Authonic, download the file and

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then upload that to captivate that.

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Hindenburg removes all that.

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So it does a lot of stuff for you when

you upload your files and it does a lot of

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stuff for you when you export your files.

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Gareth: That is fabulous.

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Well, Danny, thank you so much for

talking us through your hardware,

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software, and of course your star

of the show, which is Hindenburg.

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All that's left to say is thanks

for joining me on Behind the Show.

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Danny Brown: You're very welcome

and thank you for the invite.

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I appreciate it.

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