Sarah Listi is a legend when it comes to taking on projects and power tools. For years she has written and reviewed power tools for major publications and has operated on social media Tool Girls Garage where you can find her amazing projects and the tools that were used to build them.

This year on the Roku channel she Co-Hosted MURDER HOUSE FLIP. To watch Murder House Flip you can watch it on your TV or here: https://therokuchannel.roku.com/details/10e1bde7c1d956d494b83d0e54b1c962/murder-house-flip

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[00:00:09] Sarah Listi: disgusting. Okay. So here's what was really gross. Um, when we started doing that, it didn't smell when you walked into the room. Sure. So I. Expected was, I wouldn't say I expected, I was concerned that we would find some stuff just because you and I both know being in the construction industry, like sometimes corners get caught, unfortunately, and we've all been there and seen that.

[00:00:33] Eric Goranson: as, and that things ever been cleaned up a hundred percent.

[00:00:51] Sarah Listi: And that was a, it smelled ranted. It was the grossest. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to [00:01:00] know, but we've got you covered. This is around the house.

[00:01:14] Eric Goranson: I have my good friend in the house here. Tool, girls garage, Sarah listy. There are so many, I can't even put you in a box.

[00:01:28] Eric Goranson: Welcome to around the house. Famous TV show person too. Oh

[00:01:42] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. You know me, this is what we do, so right. First fun to be here. Yeah. I love your show by the way. And I don't say that a lot about stuff and it's not just. I've got a friend up there, but it's a real legitimate show that I go, oh wow. This is not [00:02:00] super scripted. You're out there doing the murder

[00:02:04] Sarah Listi: No, in fact there, I mean, there's no scripting behind it, which I was excited about. You know, we hear, I mean, I don't know how you feel about it, but when you go into, uh, a TV scenario, you never really know. What to expect. And this was my first filming experience like that. And so I was concerned that like, that was gonna be pushed a lot, like, Hey, say this or say that obviously there's questions asked, but all the answers are like 100% authentic.

[00:02:47] Eric Goranson: So we're talking about murder house flip over on original Roku. So

[00:02:53] Sarah Listi: So it's which cool with Roku is it's a free service. Mm-hmm I believe it's in 80 million households now. [00:03:00] Yeah. Um, yeah, so they're in a bunch of different countries, uh, and if you don't have a Roku at home, you. Obviously go onto the Roku website. Um, again, it's one of their few originals and they're expanding, they're doing some big stuff.

[00:03:25] Eric Goranson: Nice. That's cool. Yeah. So let's talk about the show minute before we get into like all the other fun tool and project stuff, but yeah.

[00:03:45] Sarah Listi: You know, what's funny is, uh, when we filmed the show that episode, believe it or not, we filmed last. It just came down to.

[00:04:16] Sarah Listi: Oh my gosh. And very little of the house had been updated or changed. So by the time we came in, even though it's been, I wanna say it's like 10 years. Yeah. . I mean, it was almost eerie looking at crime scene pictures and like being like, oh my God, this is the same tile. Like, I mean some stuff. Yeah, but it was still, it was a little

[00:04:37] Eric Goranson: It was the same bathroom sink

[00:04:54] Sarah Listi: And by the time they found out they couldn't do anything about it, you know? And so it was a big honor, I [00:05:00] think, to be able to, you know, Be a part of something like that. And to be able to walk into, you know, a family's home and like that family, that young kids and, you know, it was a family house. Um, To be able to walk in and be a part of changing something, you know, really negative and dark and making it something so positive.

[00:05:47] Sarah Listi: Like, oh my gosh. That would be amazing. You just wanna like, smell it on a bad day or something, you know? Yeah. And by

[00:06:00] Sarah Listi: disgusting. Okay. So here's what was really gross.

[00:06:23] Sarah Listi: Yeah. As much as we do, nothing's ever cleaned

[00:06:26] Sarah Listi: Yeah. And because of like how the family came to own the home, like that carpet had already been replaced. So in my mind, I'm like some, I bet we're gonna find some. Unfortunate circumstances, but the minute you lifted that carpet. I think Macel said it smelled like raw meat and that was a, it smelled ranted.

[00:06:56] Eric Goranson: opened up death's door and you were staring into it. It was just, I mean, [00:07:00] it was

[00:07:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Because it's, I mean, Ew. It was, yeah, it was hard to explain. I'm glad that the smell of vision that would've been convenient. Yep. But it was, yeah, just thinking of that was oh, but

[00:07:28] Eric Goranson: I was just laughing going there. It is there its, that was the real

[00:08:04] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Hope

[00:08:18] Sarah Listi: I mean, yeah, it was like that house was five full days of filming and it was 25 minute episodes.

[00:09:01] Sarah Listi: You know, there weren't really any lulls in the show, which I think, yeah, obviously is a credit to, not for them being quicker episodes, you know? And then you had some

[00:09:19] Eric Goranson: You've got some challenges here on trying to make that feel safe.

[00:09:42] Sarah Listi: She wasn't living there yet. Yeah. And she got a call that they were, they were news crews out front of the house recording. And so hearing that, and then of course, you know, You know, things start to make sense. People start to give her information. Um, and then she realizes, oh my God, what am I gonna do? [00:10:00] And her bedroom was the room re renovated.

[00:10:22] Sarah Listi: Like we gotta see the Creek where he hid and like it was oh,

[00:10:33] Sarah Listi: And, you know, there was so much more to that story cuz like he went and ate a snack in their kitchen. Wow. Like in the midst of this brutal cry, I mean, it was.

[00:11:01] Sarah Listi: Like how would I feel better here? Um, that one was the hard one. Cause you just were like, what's gonna make you feel better.

[00:11:13] Sarah Listi: right? Yeah. He was, I mean really beautiful little community, but yeah, there was, you were stuck with what you could really do.

[00:11:43] Sarah Listi: So what do you want me to do? yeah.

[00:11:53] Sarah Listi: You're like, what am I to do here? So it was, yeah. And we, we really took a risk with her, [00:12:00] with that space, for sure. Uh, and McAllen, I really talked about it a lot because it was kinda like.

[00:12:26] Sarah Listi: And you. You kind of have to roll with it. And we had all these hurdles too, cuz uh, I was concerned going into it cuz of course there's been discussions like behind the scenes with production and the media team and uh, and the art department, et cetera. And they're obviously trying to come up with plans.

[00:13:01] Sarah Listi: Um, but I think what we ended up doing was kind of like the double French doors where it really didn't look anything like it had started out. Um, yeah, I think that ended up being really the right call, um, for her too. Cause I think she would've been more. I don't know. I don't know that like that would've barn doors would've fit her style, even, especially after meeting her in person versus early meetings.

[00:13:24] Eric Goranson: that. And, and it's tough having to build barn doors like that on site, get it to work without it looking like completely cheese ball.

[00:13:44] Sarah Listi: Those doors. And so it really did feel like just part of the room. And when you walked out, like from the outside, it looked like a sliding glass door. Yes. But from the inside it didn't. So it, it ended up being really. An interesting process. It was one [00:14:00] I'm, I'm really glad we gotta be a part of it. Kind of stretch your muscles a little bit, if you will.

[00:14:08] Eric Goranson: You do, you do one other thing. My daughter brought this up cuz we had a bunch of her kids were over last night and their friends were over, you know, they're all in their twenties and we're watching and, and uh, I popped it on and they got sucked in, but here's funny kid.

[00:14:45] Sarah Listi: I don't know. You know, you know what I mean? Yeah. It it's funny because, uh, you know, we had a guy like our expert on that house. He had like written a graphic novel, cuz that murder happened in the fifties. Yeah. It was a long time. Yeah, so or late. [00:15:00] Yeah. Or I think it was mid fifties. This was really long time ago.

[00:15:16] Eric Goranson: unintentional murder or death

[00:15:18] Sarah Listi: Yeah. The death. Um, but listening to the story too, it sounds like he did the alfalfa series or he played alfalfa, and then he had a really hard time finding work afterward and it really kind of snowballed his life in a lot of really difficult ways. So you really do have a lot of sympathy. You know for him.

[00:15:58] Sarah Listi: And it was really sad to hear [00:16:00] that. Like, I mean, I don't know, you just kind of. Just glad that it's I, I don't know. I mean, it was, yeah. It's, it's, it's a trip. It's a trip. Yeah. It really was. It was hard to, to hear it, but yeah, the alfalfa house, it was funny that we referred to it that way cuz, but everybody

[00:16:17] Eric Goranson: And it's not that you guys did it, but I, I, I still don't remember the name of that actor. And it's funny how that era that we put people yeah. In, by the character name and not. By the actor's

[00:16:38] Sarah Listi: Yeah, I think back then, like if you played a role, like that was the role. I don't think they produced as many shows, like in terms of volume now there's, you know, cable and every streaming platform, et cetera. Like to be fair. It's I wonder if it's just a. Just a sheer volume changes how that works. Yeah.

[00:17:06] Eric Goranson: yeah, no she did. And that's and that was the good part of what she did was she just had to go out and be herself

[00:17:12] Sarah Listi: Yeah. She's a, she was, I love her. That was, she was amazing. Oh yeah. They don't make

[00:17:20] Sarah Listi: close. Not at all. .

[00:17:37] Sarah Listi: a little of everything, you know, it's funny when I.

[00:18:02] Sarah Listi: Emotional tie to my childhood. Um, but my dad was one of those that really was super passionate about making everything he touched better somehow. And he was that way with people too. I mean, he was, that was really neat facet of him, something that hasn't changed. Um, but as a child, it was really cool when you see somebody.

[00:18:43] Sarah Listi: He had his, uh, construction business on the side where he did renovations and, and construction additions, et cetera, for other people too. Um, in addition to his full-time jobs, this man never stopped working. I have no idea how he did it. Um, but then, you know, I also gotta see him like rebuild engines and like he was super [00:19:00] UG.

[00:19:28] Sarah Listi: He was early in his autism diagnosis and he was having a lot of, um, health issues and it was a really difficult time. Um, and it was one of those I would go out in the shop and at that point it was literally my garage and it was like half of the garage and it was like a handful of tools really. Um, and I would just work on different projects and it was.

[00:19:51] Eric Goranson: health minute building something,

[00:20:03] Sarah Listi: And then even to height it's, I mean, it's, you know, so it's it's what do you want it to look like? But then it's how it needs to be built. Mm-hmm and then also the sensory experience of like the smell of wood. Uh, you know, fine tuning your tools and learning all those learning curves, especially when you're really trying to hone in on some like detail work.

[00:20:44] Sarah Listi: Mm-hmm I started doing, uh, power tool reviews for a publication, and it was a really amazing experience and slowly but surely got into it more and more, and then ended up sort of spinning outta my own and sort of initially really known as a [00:21:00] writer, if you will, more on the, you know, Writing about power tools, right?

[00:21:23] Sarah Listi: Experience in it and, and, and use, you know, and, and, and hours behind that tool and hours using it, and really tried and true and tested. And so I kind of switched, you know, shifted gears a little bit. So now it's much more of a hybrid situation. I still do write. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's funny how it all kind of, I just focused more on what I was doing with the tools rather than the tool itself, if that makes sense.

[00:21:56] Sarah Listi: Yeah. We've been there. We've there,

[00:22:03] Eric Goranson: And yeah, you're very honest. I'm very honest. And that puts us in these interesting situations sometimes where we're like, oh, we I'm gonna talk about this. And it's a dud.

[00:22:27] Sarah Listi: You know, a fed tool or Nikita or Milwaukee even, you know, like I wouldn't expect that's not a fair comparison. No. Um, so I think obviously from the context of like, when I discuss a tool I'm really going off of the intended user and then I'd always say like, if you're. Say a pro who does this?

[00:23:02] Eric Goranson: It's tough. And we've got, you know, and, and I can say this about most power tool companies out there that are just the name brand people that have been doing construction.

[00:23:30] Sarah Listi: Right. And you know, diversification is great, right? Only if though you're not sacrificing quality to do it. Once you start sending out, or once you start producing products that are kind of lame that you're like, nobody is gonna use this against this brand. Or like, especially if you're going against. A brand that that's all they do.

[00:24:10] Sarah Listi: Like, we've talked about this also, like there's brands that produce hundreds of new tools every year. Yeah. And obviously that's. They're right. Um, I'm always hesitant to put a lot of my energy into that because to me, unless you're making, you know, just updated skews basically and changing like one or two small details, and it's the same as the last model, what happens is quality gets sacrificed a lot.

[00:24:44] Eric Goranson: I'm pointing to 'em on my wall, but we're not, you can't see on wall. OK. Like I was like,

[00:25:00] Sarah Listi: Right. Depending on the brand. And they tend to just be so well thought out that like, if they're bringing it to market it's cuz like blood, sweat and tears went into it. Yeah. You know, and versus

[00:25:13] Sarah Listi: works. Yeah. Now I will say too, one thing that's, that's neat to like switch gears kind of, but in the same vein.

[00:25:45] Eric Goranson: Usually just so people can understand it's tools show up. It's not in the final packaging, it's in the, it's in a box. There's maybe not instructions that come with it, you know? Yes. There's

[00:26:02] Eric Goranson: so it's, it's really rudimentary.

[00:26:10] Sarah Listi: Yes. And, and, and in those cases, once those tools come out and you can talk about it, you know, my perspective, I always give it a little attitude, knowing it wasn't the final production version. Sure. Would be fair. Okay.

[00:26:42] Sarah Listi: And I, I we've talked about this before. Yeah. There's not a single brand that has ever written me a track that I did not buy tools before they ever knew who I existed. Amen. Yeah. Like I, and if I wouldn't spend the money on it, like I'll say that. And if people don't like it, like from a brand perspective, I would never be [00:27:00] disrespectful.

[00:27:18] Sarah Listi: Oh, I had a,

[00:27:38] Sarah Listi: Right.

[00:27:56] Sarah Listi: It is not a pro level tool, but it's, [00:28:00] if you don't need that, that's pretty awesome too, you know? Yeah.

[00:28:24] Eric Goranson: Awesome. As.

[00:28:51] Sarah Listi: Do you know what I mean? Like a hundred percent. Yes. So I feel like I, I, I don't know. I couldn't quite tell if that's where you're going with that, but I think that that's a huge part of it is like, I, [00:29:00] I know people who literally are in their garage using tools, they bought at Walmart and do work that is so beyond anything else that, you know, Joe blow is making with.

[00:29:24] Eric Goranson: not at all, you know? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, that's the thing you can, you can go out and spend $10,000 on a shop and if you still don't have that skill and that attention to detail.

[00:29:44] Sarah Listi: So well said though but I think it's in, I, I do think it's, you know, it's, it is such a, kind of a weird juxtaposition, cuz I think sometimes, uh, the power tool industry, you know, and it's not really directed at any one brand or one manufacturer or even the [00:30:00] attitude.

[00:30:24] Sarah Listi: huge difference. Big difference. I am not a welder, but I can weld it'll pass with some work to clean up. Um, but it's I, and I think saying that sometimes is like necessary. I, I feel. Strongly that I think. And this comes down to that social media aspect really more than anything that it's so easy to kinda like overstate.

[00:31:00] Eric Goranson: is some little bravado, little arrogance,

[00:31:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Kind of being unwilling to hear other people. I think that, that, that's a very common thing that we see. And what ends up happening is, unfortunately, you're not doing yourself any favors because. I can learn from somebody who's done it 50 years, something I would've never known, but I'm gonna also say that if somebody just got into something and they have a different method that works and it's working for them, there's not one right or wrong.

[00:31:55] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. It's, it's no different than when I had of, uh, and I, I know I drive, 'em crazy [00:32:00] sometimes, but when I had the electrician out, uh, to redo the panel in my house a couple years ago, it needed a new one. I didn't have time to do. And I could have done it and I'm just like, ah, I'm just gonna have them do it.

[00:32:27] Eric Goranson: Right. And what's not so, right, right. And there's a lot of cool little details that I learned that before that project, I didn't really know it cuz I don't do it every.

[00:32:46] Sarah Listi: Could I have done this? No question. That's not the issue though. Did I wanna do it? Heck. No, not really. So we paid somebody to come in and this is the same person that we've worked with in the past year, many years ago. And my husband was like, you know, he was really [00:33:00] cool. He knew who you were. And we talked about that a little bit.

[00:33:25] Sarah Listi: Sure. Did. I want to completely do it, especially when you're dealing with like Springs and tension and it's like, can be dangerous and. It's gonna take me two days probably to do what they could do in a couple hours. Yep. That is, there is value in respecting somebody else's experience. But when I've worked with them in the past, like I asked a million questions.

[00:33:59] Eric Goranson: I had asked, [00:34:00] I, I Chi what was it? Six months ago, I was heading out, go run to the garage garage doors shuts.

[00:34:27] Sarah Listi: exactly. So it's then it's also like if you do get hurt and it takes you out of, you know, and like, I had a lot going on at the time and like with traveling and stuff and, and so one of the doors was messed up, but they were both like 15 years old.

[00:35:04] Sarah Listi: Twice. Yep. Yeah. I think it's sometimes too, we, we all forget that like, you know, all of our time is. Money mm-hmm but also like your sanity and, and like, what do you have on your plate? Like, I was like, I don't have it in my schedule to fit that in. Oh, no. You were out hanging out with me. Yeah, exactly. and then I'm leaving Saturday for LA.

[00:35:30] Eric Goranson: never really ends. . Yeah. No, and that's, that's a good call because there's a lot of things I can tackle. Yeah. But that was just one of those that I'm like, you know, I'm gonna spend hours just making sure I got the right spring.

[00:36:02] Sarah Listi: Like what I was doing to it, like worse was it wasn't gonna start. Do you know what I mean? Like, I wasn't gonna lose time in my mind. What I was gaining was experience and knowledge in it. And so you could say that for the garage door thing, but Springs have heard a lot of people. Yeah. So there's a time when you're just like electricity, right?

[00:36:31] Eric Goranson: I mean? I mean, I, I, I have built my own race motors. I have yeah. Rebuilt transmissions doing a garage door spring technically is not that hard, but I just looked at it went, yeah, I'm not gonna get hurt doing this, that today.

[00:36:45] Sarah Listi: the time for that. You know what it is too. You're gonna laugh. But like I hate being on ladders for like long periods of time. So that is part of my consideration is like, Standing up there with your arms above your head for like hours. I mean, because again, it's [00:37:00] not something I'm an expert in I'm like, what is that gonna do the rest of the week when I have to get work done?

[00:37:23] Sarah Listi: cause sometimes like deadlines for other people, whether it's a brand or whether it's just a, a individual purchasing a product, um, They have to come first. So like you, you know, yes. My pantry doesn't have outlet covers on it still a year later. Um,

[00:37:44] Eric Goranson: Yeah. It's like, you're right. The base trim's not done in my living room. Cause I'm gonna film that soon. I gotta film that and that's why it's

[00:38:07] Sarah Listi: I mean, how many people have ever like done your hair or your nails that are like, they just got fresh? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. Like the reality is like when you do it every day, It's easy to like, put your stuff aside, you know?

[00:38:27] Eric Goranson: Was the first time I actually did my own kitchen to the

[00:38:43] Sarah Listi: How, yeah. Anyway. Yeah, you gotta do all that. Obviously we don't take chance. You

[00:38:50] Sarah Listi: my program. Oh's it's gonna be fun. Yeah. It's gonna be super fun cuz like the, I joked about the pantry just now, but um, that used to be a breezeway in my house and we enclosed it.

[00:39:19] Sarah Listi: So there's gonna be a big, yeah. And our house is laid out funny. It's like the late nineties layout where it. Semi-open semi not they weren't sure what they wanted to do. Lots of rounded corners on

[00:39:35] Sarah Listi: arches that aren't, not for me.

[00:39:59] Sarah Listi: [00:40:00] Yeah. I walked through like the cabinetry section and was talking a little bit to rev shelf. You've heard of them.

[00:40:09] Sarah Listi: so. Some of the creativity in these like inner cabinet workings. I was like, you have literally like a knife block. Under the, like, I was like, this gives me so much inspiration.

[00:40:24] Eric Goranson: I have the, yeah, I have the powered trashcan. So when, um, okay. So I, you can bump your knee up against it and it pushes the trashcan out. It's the bloom, uh, you know, their reverse system there. So it's just touch,

[00:40:42] Sarah Listi: So I thought that was, as far as this tech has gone wrong again, like I was amazed, I was like, okay. And I didn't really spend a lot of time at the booth either. I just was like, okay. Okay. Okay. I mean, I was. Yeah. Like I was like, I, now I'm [00:41:00] gonna make my kitchen three times as big mm-hmm. Cause I want all of these cabinetry options and I can

[00:41:06] Eric Goranson: Cuz some of those things are super cool. Yeah. And some of 'em suck enough that you go, oh, this is awesome. And then two months later it's corner the garage. Cuz you went now I'm not gonna do this. Yeah. I'll help

[00:41:22] Sarah Listi: All that extra labor time work energy went into it. And then it was like, yeah, I'm gonna redo our, uh, master bedroom too. Cool. Uh, the bathroom, sorry, said bedroom. Bathroom. Yeah, master bathroom. Uh, but I wanna do some cool cabinetry in there, but I'm gonna build those from the ground up. You are, of course I am in a kitchen.

[00:41:55] Eric Goranson: I used to run cabinet shops. It is so much

[00:42:02] Sarah Listi: No problem. That's fine. But I don't have the space. I'd have to like rent a U-Haul the storm short term. I don't know. I, yeah, it wouldn't, I don't know that it would be logically sensical. Yeah. Whereas if you go through a manufacturer, like you order it in advance and then it gets in and shows up, gets done in a day or two

[00:42:28] Eric Goranson: oh, I could totally build my own cabinets. Did I do that? No, I just, I, I didn't, I mean, I've done

[00:42:35] Sarah Listi: I did it in my pantry and like there's, I mean, of course, like I did it in the kids' bathrooms, but like, Again scale. Yeah. And if they were open and didn't have doors or weren't painted for six months, like it was okay. Whereas your kitchen, you need that functional pretty quickly.

[00:42:55] Eric Goranson: You know, the bathroom gets a different wear than, than, you know, your kitchen [00:43:00] does.

[00:43:14] Sarah Listi: You know, put yourself in another person's position, cuz like, sure. That's hard. It's hard to have your house upended like that. Oh. Especially when you have kids and like we have two dogs and like yeah. You know, it's a lot. Um, but yeah, I, I, I dread it. Even being somebody who was gonna be doing the most of it myself.

[00:43:36] Eric Goranson: know what I mean? Yeah. No, it's, it's not fun. I gotta ask you. So you and I weren't in the same class, but we got to go play with metal this last

[00:43:55] Sarah Listi: Cause, oh, there's a lot of people there, right? Yeah. Um, dude, that [00:44:00] was the first for me. I've never done it. It's something I've always wanted to do. Yep. So I could have just, I wish I could have slowed down and just like taken in more of it, but it was the coolest thing ever, like keen, really working

[00:44:13] Eric Goranson: So that's my, that's my medium. Okay. I actually took auto body class in high school and college, so I could do my own hot rod stuff. So, oh, that's bad me working with metal English wheel, that kind of stuff. And I had not used a power hammer like that in she's 20 years, but I got on and the kid looks over me.

[00:44:37] Sarah Listi: years. And that thing was that's intimidating. That thing was serious. So I don't know if you knew, like, I, I obviously had, uh, I mean, not that everybody knew, but I had like a terrible migraine walking into it.

[00:45:09] Sarah Listi: So I didn't realize you'd done so much metal work in your history cuz now it makes me feel kinda like now you need to come and build some, uh, furniture with me a little bit. Yeah,

[00:45:20] Sarah Listi: time. Yeah. Right. And now I wanna learn more metal from you, bud. Oh yeah.

[00:45:26] Eric Goranson: But uh, yeah, that was. To describe what these power hammers are. You might have seen 'em, you know, on TV shows and some of the automotive stuff, but think of a, a two ton big. Rod coming down that is over and over, over and over. Just junk, junk, junk. Yeah. It's junk. It's

[00:45:50] Sarah Listi: Like I don't think, I really thought too hard about how that stuff, you know, came to be. Um, but yeah, I mean they were massive and they were loud and like these [00:46:00] things were like, I mean, I thought like my band saw was pretty big I have a big band saw that one was like, those power hammers were like the footprint, the sheer size was incredible.

[00:46:30] Eric Goranson: grabbing stuff out of it when it's on and on.

[00:46:34] Sarah Listi: no. I was like, oh my God, this dude's hand. I can't believe I, I have no idea how I, I can only imagine some of the

[00:46:46] Sarah Listi: But if you're doing it every day, like the thing is, it's funny, cuz it's like a table saw when you're doing it every day.

[00:47:13] Sarah Listi: This dude's gonna, I'm gonna lose. We're gonna, somebody's gonna lose a hand. You know what I mean? Like I couldn't believe. Yeah.

[00:47:32] Sarah Listi: Yes. And, you know, I don't know if you saw this, but like there was like, uh, part of the machine. So obviously it's, it's massive. Yeah. And it was very, obviously there had been like recently greased, which is great. Cuz you could see like grease coming out of the bearings and like, I mean, it was just like.

[00:48:06] Eric Goranson: like, oh, I, I, I, you could have left me in there for a week and I wouldn't have come out.

[00:48:11] Sarah Listi: you know, for as much was going on in that shop, I will say you could tell that the man who owned it. He'd been doing it forever. He probably has never, he's probably been in that same location for a long time. Yeah.

[00:48:30] Eric Goranson: So there's one of those big, uh, hammers there had the C, C P made in us, Sr. It was a piece of Russian government machine and I'm like, Not sure how that meant it outta the country, but it's pretty cool. No, he,

[00:48:47] Eric Goranson: Russian wasn't he? Yeah, I think he was, but it was like, huh. He had friends in high places to get that out and you know,

[00:48:59] Sarah Listi: [00:49:00] Yeah. I'll send

[00:49:05] Sarah Listi: yeah, no, no kidding. Like that's God, that's like a Relic too. Like that's. Wow. I mean, it was, it was, uh, it was funny though, cuz looking around the shop as, as chaotic as it was.

[00:49:33] Sarah Listi: You're not working in there then. Right. That's not real estate.

[00:49:39] Sarah Listi: thrown up on the wall, you know? Yeah. Like if it's too organized, I'm kind of like. Eh, eh, right. uh, but I, I loved that. Like you could tell it was organized, but used, do you know what I mean?

[00:50:00] Eric Goranson: Yeah. You could see what the purpose was for everything and that everything had been cared for well used, but

[00:50:14] Sarah Listi: Yeah. Um, but everything had a place and like there was a, a method to the madness, if you will. Like, I mean, it was, it was interesting. It would, it would've been cool to like have spent more time exploring, you know? Yeah. I

[00:50:30] Eric Goranson: Cuz I'm, I'm curious to see do it. Gotta do it. It'd be a good TV segment, if anything.

[00:50:49] Sarah Listi: You know what I mean?

[00:51:03] Sarah Listi: Yeah, it would, no, I mean, of course. And that was what was neat. It was like, God, this was, I don't think I realized how much went into it cuz when they were like, oh, we're gonna be doing this.

[00:51:30] Sarah Listi: There you go. right. Wouldn't that be dope?

[00:51:37] Sarah Listi: side of it. Yeah, that was funny. Cause yeah, right. Like that would be so rad. There you go. There you go. Was good time. That was a fun

[00:51:55] Eric Goranson: Okay. So, uh, how can everybody track you

[00:52:11] Eric Goranson: You got it. And the TV show over on

[00:52:15] Sarah Listi: Wow. I'm really bad at this. Aren't I see the TV show. The TV show. I am the host, uh, with my co-host Macel on season two of murder house flip. You can find that on Roku channel and also on the Roku website. Check it out. It

[00:52:36] Sarah Listi: Hey, I'll take that.

[00:52:41] Eric Goranson: awesome. Thanks for

[00:52:46] Eric Goranson: Uh, we'll be doing it again. I'm Eric G and you've been listening to. Around the House!