These conversations can get so intense and unexpected - sometimes I (Megan) want to hit that power-off button and end in the middle of a sentence but I know it's best to push through.

We had such a solid conversation but at 1 hour it got erased and only 30 minutes were saved. We started again and thought…1. do we start all over again 2. Merge them together 3. Try to pick up where we ended. At this point I think it’s best we just be as honest and raw as we are and put them both together side by side.

A few things we unpack in this episode:

-Meg starting to be more selfish with her time/responsibilities

-Sam asking why Meg can’t take productive criticism

-Meg talking about childhood tribulation & her brother

-Sam talking about being in jail and a wilderness program & how that’s helped him