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Helping Pets & People in an Animal Resue Crisis
Episode 35 • 26th September 2025 • Animal Posse • Unwanted Feline Organization
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Dixie:

Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the

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people and rescues making a

difference in the lives of animals.

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Thank you so much, Meredith,

for joining me today.

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I'm glad that you wanted to come

on to talk about the crisis that

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we have going on in animal rescue.

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Before we start can you share a bit about

yourself and the rescue that you are with?

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Meredith: I am 50 Woo.

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I have been doing animal rescue in some

sort of capacity since I was really young.

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Actually when I was a kid we were

still allowed to work if your parents

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signed off on it with working papers.

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And I volunteered and had a

small part-time job at IDE week.

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'cause I grew up in Levittown.

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That was in UA on Long Island.

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And I did that a couple of hours a week.

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And then again, when I was going for my

confirmation, I needed to do community

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service and I did that as well.

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When I did that, I actually

worked in the training department

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with the rehabilitation cases.

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They actually taught me at a very

young age how to help socialize.

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Scared cats and dogs, nothing dangerous.

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Obviously I was a child, but

times were different then.

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And then through college I worked at

Northshore League and then , after

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college I started to work in banking, but

I still always had a foot in the animal

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welfare world, be it fostering dogs or

cats for other rescues, volunteering

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at other rescues, things like that.

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In 2013, we started Paws Unite People

because I noticed there was a big gap

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within the animal welfare community.

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You foster homes and then you

had animal shelters, but there

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was nowhere for cats and dogs.

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To go that sort of didn't

fit in either bucket.

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Not ready for a home, but too scared

or traumatized to be at a shelter.

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So that was the goal, was to

try to create that middle.

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We started it out doing it with myself

and a couple of other core volunteers who

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were experienced, who would take those

animals into our home until we could

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save enough money to get a facility.

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We did an animal abuse case in

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It was over 80 cats.

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It was Turkish Angora breeder.

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Some of them didn't make it.

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Some of them survived, but the town

shelter refused to take though.

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So we rented a building.

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And it started there small.

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We started in a 900 square foot facility.

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Now we're in an almost , 5,000

square foot facility.

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So we've definitely got more space

and we are definitely doing a

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little bit more , in the community.

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We hope not just animals from

abuse, cruelty, neglect, but

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we also train service animals.

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We train therapy dogs.

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We have special needs adults and kids

come work with the animals that we have

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that are cleared for that so that they

can learn a skillset or they can have

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positive interactions with animals.

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Sometimes special needs child can't

have a cat or a dog at home, but they

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can come to this shelter a couple

of days a week and play with them.

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And we also take in animals temporarily

for people suffering from temporary

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shift in housing, temporary homelessness

or domestic violence cases where

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people are fleeing domestic violence

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right now we have a dog at the

shelter from someone who is fleeing

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domestic violence and two cats from

someone who's currently homeless.

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But we don't put them up for adoption.

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If that makes sense.

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Is that enough about me?

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Dixie: It does make sense.

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It's very interesting

too with the background.

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'cause I can just imagine, 'cause I do

cat rescue, having that many cats in a

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900 square foot building and then building

up to go to a 5,000 square foot building.

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That's pretty impressive.

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Meredith: It started so small, like it

was 86 cats, but they didn't survive

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about 40, made it out of the vet.

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It was one of the worst

things I've ever seen.

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It was like Auschwitz for cats.

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But yeah, we started super small

and then now we're just big.

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It's crazy.

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We do international stuff

too, like we back up.

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All the international rescues, several

of them in Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan, Korea

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Taiwan in the event they and Afghanistan,

we used to, not now because well,

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but in the event animals are shipped

to the United States and run into an

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issue at that moment we would step in.

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So we do have some dogs and cats in

the building that came from overseas.

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We didn't bring them here, but they

went to other rescue groups or straight

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to adopters that it didn't work out

because I also don't think animals

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should be brought to this country and fly

thousands of miles just to be euthanized.

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That really ground to my gears,

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Dixie: exactly.

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Meredith: Yeah.

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Dixie: Can you explain when you're

taking in like these pets that are on

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a temporary basis for the homelessness

or the domestic violence, how you

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end up reuniting them, how long you

usually have to house 'em before the

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people are able to take 'em back.

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Meredith: We try to,

each case is different.

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You never can put, even with

rehabilitation, each case is different.

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Each cat you take in each dog, you

take in each family, we assist.

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It's different.

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So it's never a one size fits all.

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So the most recent case, a girl was

fleeing a domestic violence situation.

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She needed to put her dogs somewhere safe.

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She's very young.

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Very young, and she has to get

her proverbial, what together so

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that she can start her life over.

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So I didn't give her a time limit.

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I told her to take what she needs

time-wise, and she comes and she

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volunteers and helps out take care of

the animals, and she gets to see her dog.

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And I've noticed, especially with

domestic violence, women and sometimes

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men, we've had men stay in these

situations that they shouldn't stay

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in because they love their pets.

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The last cat case we took

in from domestic violence.

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I had the cat for six months.

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I've had some longer, we've only had one

instance in the years we've been helping

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out where we did not return the animal.

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It is a dog.

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That dog is a permanent

resident at our shelter.

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He suffers from permanent PTSD from

witnessing a very horrific event.

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She ended up going back to her husband.

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I couldn't give the dog back.

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But normally I would say it takes

people on an average one to three

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months to get themselves back in order.

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We had a house fire,

it was like eight cats.

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We had them for nine months 'cause

they had to rebuild the whole house.

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So when I say each case is

different, it really is.

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Dixie: Sure

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Meredith: depends.

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You have to really talk to people.

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You have to figure out if they're

telling you the truth too, which is

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something we've gotten very good at.

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We've had instances, oh shoot,

yeah, we had a dog that came in.

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The gentleman temporarily lost his home.

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His mother passed away.

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It was sold out underneath

him by the family.

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By the time he found an apartment,

his dog was diagnosed with cancer.

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So what we ended up doing was he got

a key to the building and he would

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just come and visit with the dog.

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At the facility.

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I hate calling it a shelter

'cause we're not a shelter.

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Like all the animals are not in cages,

they're in rooms with TVs and couches.

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It's like a rehab center.

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But he was able to come

visit with his dog.

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His dog was at a big pit bull.

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His name was muscles.

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He lived in the cat room.

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So he would come, when he had time.

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I didn't care because , by that

time we had known him very well.

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We trusted him.

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He would come, hang out, go

home, take care of his dog leave.

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But because moving the dog mid, in that

hospice situation into a tiny apartment

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where he had to be carried up and down

the stairs just wasn't gonna work.

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So like I said,, you have to

look at each case differently.

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We just took in.

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10 dogs out of a hoarding case.

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We actually had 17, but seven

went to other rescues finally.

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Thank you.

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And we have 10 left.

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And each one of them is different.

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They all suffer from different issues.

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Some of them are further

along than others.

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You can't one size fits all

rehabilitation work for sure.

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And you can't one size fits all

people that are experiencing

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an uproot in their life.

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Dixie: How many animals

can your facility house?

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Meredith: Right now we have

32 dogs and we have 46 cats.

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We could technically taken up to 50

cats and I can house, depending on

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the dog sizes 'cause it's all modular.

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I could move walls and things.

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We could probably house

eight or nine more dogs.

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But fiscally, no.

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We are over capacity from a financial

standpoint, which seems to be the problem

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across the board in animal rescue lately.

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Dixie: Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we can start getting into that too.

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And another thing too that I

would like to mention, because.

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I love that you're helping out

people with their pets for temporary

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situations rather than have them

surrender their animals to a shelter.

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And I think that's what rescue should be.

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Or if somebody does need to surrender

an animal, it should be a situation

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like that, like something that

is really beyond their control.

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Meredith: Yeah, I don't want your dog.

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I said this, the girl was so nice and

she's just I don't know what to do.

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I said, you need to get outta there.

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Keep yourself safe.

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I don't want your dog, but I'll keep

your dog safe while you figure it out.

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, That's why we started this.

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, It was part of our mission statement from

inception was to do community outreach

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to try to stop the cycle of abuse.

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What and the other side of that was

also to try to help good owners keep

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their pets as much as we possibly could.

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There's so many animals that need help

that don't have good owners, right?

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So if someone is a good person and

it's a good owner and it's a temporary

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setback, we shouldn't be taking their

cats and dogs, especially with cats.

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I don't want your 18-year-old cat.

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I don't want your 12-year-old cat,

because it's going to end up living

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in my facility for a very long

time if it gets adopted at all.

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But.

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I feel like it's so important.

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If you looked at it that way, if rescue

groups tried to be a temporary bandaid in

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situations like that, it would alleviate

the amount of dogs getting surrendered

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to municipal town county run shelters

because people are stuck temporarily.

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But it would also keep us from having

to long-term house older animals that

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may not be as easy to get adopted.

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I hope that made sense.

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Dixie: It does.

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Exactly.

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And I agree with that too.

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Now I see in my area a lot, I find people

are what I'm gonna say is abusing rescues,

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because all the calls that we get, it's

constantly, oh, I'm moving tomorrow.

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I need a place for my animal to go.

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And that's not what rescue is for.

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Rescue is not for like your

lack of planning or your lack of

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responsibility, it's for animals that

are actually in need or in crisis.

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Meredith: Yeah.

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We never help people like that.

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Unless it's domestic violence, that's

a completely different situation,

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Dixie: right?

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Yes.

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Meredith: But if people call

me, I'm like, I'm moving.

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I need to rehome my dog.

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I'm like you should have

called us three weeks ago.

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'cause I'm pretty sure you

knew you were moving then.

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I feel bad when I do it,

we have to have limits.

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I've had a lady call me once

at three in the morning.

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She got my phone number from an emergency

vet and she was just like, I just left

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my boyfriend, my one cat's at the er.

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She's my other cat's in the car.

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I can't afford the pet fee at the hotel.

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And I'm like, listen, I'll meet you.

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At the time we were in East Patchog,

I'm like, I'll meet you in East Patchog.

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I'm leaving my house now.

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I'll be there in 30 minutes.

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I got you cat.

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I got you back.

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Don't worry about it.

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Just don't worry about it.

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And we tried to raise money to

help her cover the vet bill for

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the cat that was in the ER because

that guy was a piece of crap.

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So those calls, you can't control that.

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It's, especially when they're struggling

to leave, like a lot of times we'll

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talk to people trying to get outta

that situation and they're not sure.

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Those are always the only

last minute ones I take.

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From the general public.

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Because they're leaving.

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Yeah.

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It's a lot.

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Those people go through a lot.

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Dixie: It's good to take that

burden of their animals off

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of them, that's something that

they don't have to worry about.

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Meredith: Yeah.

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I've seen people keep themselves

in those situations because

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rescue goats won't help them.

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I've seen people stay in those

situations because they didn't think

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that they had options or they didn't

wanna give up their pets because they

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were sad or scared or they loved them.

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But, I've had people like

this girl, her dog's awesome.

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It's her emotional support dog.

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She had a traumatic event

when she was younger.

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This is her trained emotional support dog.

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She called multiple rescue groups and they

all offered to take her dog for adoption.

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I'm like, I don't want your

dog's I want you to be okay.

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And I didn't think that's right either.

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I don't think it's right to take

this girl's dog upfront right away.

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We set limits, but let's give this

kid some time to get back on her

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feet before you take her animal.

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I understand her dog is

very easy to put in home.

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It would be a nice, easy, quick adoption,

but are we really doing the right

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thing for that person or that dog?

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Dixie: What is the crisis

that you're facing right now?

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What is your biggest challenge?

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Meredith: Long Island has a very

big hoarding problem, so I've

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been dealing with that a lot.

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And then funding, there's just no funding.

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We've seen a lot where I talked

about this the other day just with

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someone where grants I normally

get or don't exist anymore.

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There were a lot of cuts made,

especially for my organization.

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So you have to figure a lot of the

funding that we were getting to help

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women fleeing domestic violence and,

or disabled or special needs adults and

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children was coming through programs that

were labeled DEI that have been canceled.

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And sometimes I think people

don't understand how funding

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from the government works.

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So the government will issue large grants.

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Those large grants go to larger

foundations and organizations,

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and then that money trickles down.

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And as small guys, we

apply for those funds.

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So you know when you get a grant

for $6,000 from Red Rover to help

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people fleeing domestic violence,

they got that money from above, and

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then that money came from above.

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It trickles down.

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So unless you're a huge animal

welfare organization, you're

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not getting those big checks.

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You're getting the smaller pieces of

a pie that came from somewhere else.

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So the grants have

dissipated in that bucket.

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USDA had a lot of funding cuts.

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We lost $23,000 in grants that fell

under that bucket for the cats and dogs

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spay, neuter programs, stuff like that.

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And then states are losing their

funding or not getting their funding

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depending on what state you're in.

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So then those programs get cut.

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And then also two people have tightened

their wallets because the financial

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state of life has been a little unstable.

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So you have a lot of people

giving less, but asking for more.

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So I've had an uptick in people asking

us for assistance on multiple levels,

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because when people are struggling

financially, you get an uptick in

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domestic violence, that happens.

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Those situations become volatile.

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So we have more people asking us

for help that are in bad situations

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at home, we have more people asking

for help because they're homeless or

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they're losing their home, or they

can't afford their home anymore.

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We have more people asking

for help with vet bills.

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But then I'm also seeing an uptake

in neglect cases where people

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aren't asking and neglecting their

animals, and you're seeing an uptake

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in animals that are ending up in

shelters that are in poor state.

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We just did that hoarding case

and nobody wanted to do anything

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about it because there was no one

for nowhere for the dogs to go.

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The town shelter's full.

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There's nowhere for the animals to go.

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The woman is mentally ill,

she's not going to get charges.

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So why take the dogs outta the house?

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Because where are they gonna go?

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We'll just condemn her house.

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She can leave them outside.

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And I said, no, we're gonna take them out

of the house and we're gonna get rescue

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groups to step up and figure it out.

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But now you have rescue groups

besides myself, there's 25 dogs.

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I have 10.

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But me and the other rescues that

helped out, now we're stuck trying

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to find the money to pay these

bills in an environment where people

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aren't donating to help those dogs.

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So it's a struggle.

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But yeah, money, money's always

been a challenge for rescue groups,

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but it is really bad lately.

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I know where you are.

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It's been really bad too.

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I have some friends that way.

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Bad.

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Bad.

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Dixie: Are you seeing a lot of

rescues up by you having to close

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their doors because of this?

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Meredith: Yes.

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A lot of rescues are closing their doors.

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A lot of rescues are closing their doors.

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I just saw the other day I was like,

another rescue shutting down because

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they can't afford their bills.

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There was a horrible story I saw floating

around this woman that euthanized all

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the dogs, which I think is insane.

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And she was sketchy to begin with.

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But that's what's happening is that

people, animal rescues and animal

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shelters are clothing shop because

they can't afford to pay their bills.

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And we are on the edge I have rent

to you in four days, and I still

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have to find $4,000 for that.

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But, I make phone calls.

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I'm pushing fundraising.

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On top of that, you have utility bills.

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Like people don't understand how much

it costs to run an actual facility.

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Foster based rescues

can be very expensive.

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But for a facility on Long

Island in New York, we are

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spending $9,000 a month in rent.

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And insurance fees.

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And then utilities are

about:

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And that's just to keep the lights

on and the door open and you

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have to add a dog food, right?

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Veterinary care and all the

other things on top of that.

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So we are, our budget to run the

shelter every month is about $15,000.

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Barring no major medical event.

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And we were doing that, but now that

grants are gone and funding's gone,

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like I sit and I say we're not gonna

take anything else in the dogs.

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Were in emergency.

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I wasn't gonna put them

back in the backyard.

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There was just a way, and thank God

other rescue groups stepped up to help.

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'cause I don't know what I would do

with 25 of them, but it really comes

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down to we have to start deciding are

we going to try to keep going or are

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we gonna try to place what we have

and close our doors because they're

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just, donations are just not there.

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But I know three rescuers that are

done, they're not doing it anymore.

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They're just not going to do it anymore.

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They're just gonna close it up.

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They're gonna adopt out what

they have and close shop because

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they're killing themselves.

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And it breaks my heart because

as these smaller groups close,

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where did the animals go?

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Because the town shelters are full.

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, We've done a really good job.

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And and it's other problems.

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You, and I hate to say this,

like rescue groups get mad.

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I, we did a really good job at like

with the no kill movement, right?

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To reduce euthanasia rights,

to increase live release rates.

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A lot of that comes from town municipal

shelters not taking in pets . I'm

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seeing it where people will call me and

say, especially with cats, , I called

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the town shelter because I'm being

evicted and I have 30 days to leave.

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But they said they can't take

my cats, they have no room.

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I just saw, was it John, one of

the rescuers on Long Island posted

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that he picked up five cats today.

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The owner got evicted

because ACC didn't take them.

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So we're gonna start to see more,

I think more street abandonment.

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I'm noticing a lot more friendly

cats and dogs floating around the

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streets than I normally would see.

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Especially from where we are.

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It's indicative of a bigger problem right

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Dixie: do you think rescues may,

in a sense, have created the

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problem by giving people this

mentality that they can always.

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Go surrender their animal, so , if the

shelter's not gonna take it, there's

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this thought, then there's rescue,

but then of course rescues get full.

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Do you think that could have

anything to do with it as well?

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Or what are your thoughts on that?

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Meredith: I don't think

that we created it.

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I think it's really hard to say.

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I just got a call the other day, seven

month old pit puppy, perfectly dog social.

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And it was somebody who adopted a

dog from me, and it was an older dog.

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And she's listen, I'm trying, , my

kid's friend, they have this dog,

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their parents lost their house.

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They have nowhere to go.

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I said, I'd take the puppy in.

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It is torturing my dog.

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I said I'm sure it is.

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Because the dog I gave them could

be a little tricky with other female

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dogs, especially younger ones.

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She goes, but I didn't want the

dog to end up getting euthanized.

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And when they went to the town shelter

and asked if they could take it,

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they said that they had no space,

that the only owner surrenders they

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were taking were for euthanasia.

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Who wants to euthanize

a seven month old puppy?

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Nobody, right?

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So they just said, , we

can't take it right now.

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So there was nowhere for the dog to go.

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I ended up calling a different

town shelter who I knew had space,

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and I was just like, listen, can

you please just take this puppy?

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There's nothing wrong with it.

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It's just a puppy.

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I can't take it.

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Now, do I want that dog

sitting in a town shelter?

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No.

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It's a puppy.

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It needs proper socialization and it needs

to be, in a foster home or an environment

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like mine that's close to a home that's

structured because this puppy's just

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going to end up being conditioned at

a critical development age to be in

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a shelter and you don't want that.

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But I had to say no because I

can't afford it, and I think that.

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We didn't create the problem by always

being there, but we definitely put a

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bandaid on it for a while, for always

trying to find a way, because it really

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does come down to money because if the

rescue groups have the money to pay for

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the vet bills, to pay for the whatever,

the marketing the Facebook ad the

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management, the all of the things you need

to do to raise money, fundraising costs,

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all of that stuff, if they have the money

to get that all done, then the animals

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could get adopted, the vettings finished.

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But when you have to wait to raise

the money needed to do the thing so

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that you could put the cat or the dog

in a home, it starts to drag it out.

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And if you overload yourself,

you just can't afford it.

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I know four animal rescue groups in my

area alone that have, vet bills in upward

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outstanding balances of $40,000 each.

446

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Right now our outstanding vet bills are

on three K and I'm having a heart attack.

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I never let it get that bad.

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You can't get it.

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Let that bad.

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But I have to say no.

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And I think, again, I don't think we

created a problem with the general public.

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I think that we bandaided it by not saying

no, because we were getting donations and

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now that we're not, and things are cut,

and funding's cut and people tightened

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their wallets and things are unstable,

we're starting to see the effects of that.

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I hope if that made sense.

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Dixie: It does.

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It makes a lot of sense with you having

bills of 15,000 a month, that's a lot.

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Yes.

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It's very difficult to get that amount in.

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I can only imagine.

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Meredith: I'm going to

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cry.

463

:

We were getting grants, so

I never, and this is truth.

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:

I never would've signed the lease

for this building where we are.

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If I thought for an iota of a

moment that I was gonna lose

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$50,000 in grant funding overnight.

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:

Never.

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I never imagined that I

was gonna get an email.

469

:

'cause that was consistent for years.

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$69,700 is the total loss for

:

471

:

That's pretty much

almost the shelter bills.

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:

A lot of money.

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And it was a lot of emails

saying, listen, we're sorry.

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We know we approved you for a

grant for first quarter:

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due to cuts and funding, we are

unable to do that and we apologize.

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You're just like, oh, great.

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Shoot me.

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Dixie: Have you tried to come

up with some other kind of.

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Fundraising ideas or things to do

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:

? Meredith: Anybody wanna

buy a kidney didn't work.

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I tend to be really sarcastic.

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The biggest thing everybody says to me

is I always act like it's gonna be fine.

483

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They're like, Meredith, everybody thinks

you're just gonna figure it out, out.

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I'm like, I know it's bad.

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I don't know.

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We're pushing fundraising as hard

as we can on social media, but the

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general public, I'm not the big org.

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:

We had a big bump in finances.

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, We did help overseas and I mentioned

that, and we worked with animal

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rescuers in Afghanistan when the

fall of Afghanistan happened.

491

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Activision Blizzard, the video

game company gave us a large grant

492

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$600,000, but that was specifically

to get those women out of Afghanistan

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:

and their families, right?

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So that was donor directed funds.

495

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We got that money, we got everybody that

was helping our US troops and our go US

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:

government employees over the years with

the cats and dogs out of Afghanistan.

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:

And then that money was gone,

never to come back again.

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I couldn't give you for anything else.

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So sometimes people look at our finances

and they see that big bump, and I'm like,

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yeah, that was a COVID loan and, A grant

for a specific purpose and then nothing.

501

:

And then we're back to normal.

502

:

It's oh look at Meredith.

503

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She's 150, 190, 150, 200,000, 800,000.

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And then it goes 200,001, 200,000, one 50.

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:

'cause we, it was just that one peak.

506

:

'cause sometimes you

have that one big thing.

507

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But that one big thing didn't

give us like public notoriety.

508

:

No one knows who we are.

509

:

That was just someone who knew that

we worked with that shelter and

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:

wanted to help those specific people.

511

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We are not a big org that gets in

thousands of donations that has

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hundreds of thousands of followers.

513

:

We have 33,000 on Facebook's,

:

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two, almost 2000 on TikTok.

515

:

Like we're not big.

516

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So relying on your social media

base is just not, we don't have

517

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a hundred percent followers.

518

:

It's just that doesn't work.

519

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So I've been trying to think outside of

box with grants, and not just for myself,

520

:

but some of the dog sanctuary rescuers.

521

:

It breaks my heart, these people have

committed their lives to helping dogs

522

:

that are just not adoptable at all.

523

:

And they put this, they dumped their whole

life savings and their whole life into it.

524

:

And now no one's giving grants to

people who aren't doing adoptions.

525

:

And then even still, it needs to

be a certain amount of adoptions.

526

:

And that's hurt.

527

:

And I was like, even with me with

rehab to give a good example, we were

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:

getting $40,000 a year from a very big.

529

:

Store organization.

530

:

We'll just say that.

531

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And that they shifted gears.

532

:

Now we do abuse, cruelty,

and neglect cases.

533

:

So you and I both know these, the

dogs I took from a hoarding case,

534

:

they're not gonna get adopted

quickly, i'll have to heal them.

535

:

I have to take them to the vet.

536

:

We need to get their skin better

537

:

. They have behavior issues

that I'm gonna work on.

538

:

So we may be six months before those

10 dogs are ready to leave my facility.

539

:

Now, during those six months, I'm

not doing puppies and kittens.

540

:

I'm not taking in those kinds of animals.

541

:

So my adoption numbers for the

next six months are gonna be low.

542

:

So when they shifted gears to

how many cats or dogs you got

543

:

adopted a year, I lost that money.

544

:

So you're starting to see the people

that do what I do or the sanctuary

545

:

work, lose out on opportunities from

larger foundations and grants that

546

:

still are out there because they're

strictly basing it on numbers, which is

547

:

where I think encourages the problem.

548

:

So if a shelter or a rescue is

getting money based on the amount

549

:

of adoptions that they do, are

they doing ethical adoptions?

550

:

Are they really making sure that these

animals are going to the right home?

551

:

How many of those animals are

returned or dumped in local shelters?

552

:

There's a big one here.

553

:

They do hundreds of adoptions a month.

554

:

I have three of their dogs and

eight of their cats in my building.

555

:

Dixie: I can understand that

because I do more, sanctuary.

556

:

I do more.

557

:

Like adult cats.

558

:

Of course I'll take in kittens.

559

:

I help kittens Oh, have.

560

:

But the whole thing with an adult cat

is an adult cat is, they're overlooked.

561

:

They take a long time Yes.

562

:

To get adopted.

563

:

It does make a lot of sense because

you might see these groups that

564

:

are taken in puppies adopting

out all these puppies right away.

565

:

But meanwhile, the people that have

the adult animals, they're with those

566

:

animals for several months before you

find a home, because everybody wants

567

:

the cute little puppies and kittens,

568

:

Meredith: not just months.

569

:

Eight years ago I was left 50

cats and $50 in a will, and all

570

:

those cats were 10 years old.

571

:

Can I tell you, I still have

problems with my building.

572

:

I have a cat that just

turned 24 years old.

573

:

Lisa's been with us for nine years now.

574

:

She's 24 years old.

575

:

Nobody wanted her nine years ago

when she was not 24 years old

576

:

because she was a senior then.

577

:

She's like ancient now.

578

:

And then you also have rescues

like mine that may take dogs.

579

:

Like I have a beautiful dog.

580

:

She's seven years old.

581

:

Her name is Pebbles.

582

:

She's been with us for almost five years.

583

:

She's mint.

584

:

She does not like other dogs.

585

:

I would put her with a newborn baby.

586

:

I would put her with an newborn baby.

587

:

She works with nonverbal autistic kids.

588

:

She is amazing.

589

:

She cannot go to a home with other dogs.

590

:

She cannot go to a home with a

house, with a chain link fence.

591

:

Come on Long Island.

592

:

That's pretty common.

593

:

So she's been with me a long time

because I refuse to set her up to fail.

594

:

So what we've done with

dogs is they're part of our

595

:

outreach program with the kids.

596

:

So like when people call and say, we can't

have a pet, my son really loves dogs.

597

:

I'm like, great, I'll throw 'em

in the backyard with Pebbles.

598

:

He can wash her, go swimming.

599

:

I don't care.

600

:

You can sit there for three

hours, doesn't matter.

601

:

It makes her happy.

602

:

You wanna take a dog for day trip?

603

:

Go ahead, take PEs go.

604

:

She just doesn't like how the dogs

don't let her interact with another dog.

605

:

You see a baby in a carriage,

she'll lick its face.

606

:

But like you have a lot of that, like

I'm sure you have cats that have been

607

:

with you way longer than a couple months.

608

:

Oh dear.

609

:

We all have those.

610

:

Yeah.

611

:

But right now we have, like I

said, the amount of cats we have.

612

:

I have 16 cats over the age of 19.

613

:

Dixie: Wow.

614

:

Meredith: No one's adopting those.

615

:

Yeah, they're not leaving.

616

:

They're leaving, but just not that

way, which is why I don't cage.

617

:

That's why we have the furniture and

the couches and the television sets

618

:

and the waterfalls and they make it

look like a house and people come and

619

:

sit and pet the cats and watch tv.

620

:

And our cats are dog socials.

621

:

So I use the cats that have been with me

for eight years that were supposed to die

622

:

eight years ago because they were supposed

to be hospice cases and still live.

623

:

They're great with dogs.

624

:

So when we get dogs in, like we just

took we just took three chihuahuas from

625

:

another rescue who got those chihuahuas

from a hoarding case with 63 dogs.

626

:

They got the chihuahuas in February.

627

:

The dogs were not doing well,

they weren't moving forward.

628

:

I'm like, ah, we'll throw

'em in the cat room.

629

:

And everyone thought I was crazy.

630

:

I'm like, you just wait.

631

:

The cats will sort it up.

632

:

Cats became friends with chihuahuas.

633

:

Now Chihuahuas are approaching people

because their cat friends are right.

634

:

So at least the cats have a purpose.

635

:

The cats get to help other

animals move forward.

636

:

They have a purpose.

637

:

They're happy.

638

:

They have a chihuahua to bother.

639

:

They can clean it.

640

:

They play with it, but they are

hoping as well, so they have a

641

:

purpose, which was that middle.

642

:

I tried to, I told you I

tried to fill a middle.

643

:

So are our cat sanctuary camps.

644

:

Yeah.

645

:

I don't know.

646

:

If somebody came to me tomorrow

and said, I'd love to adopt

647

:

Lisa, I'd be like, really?

648

:

If Lisa likes you, sure.

649

:

Take her home, let her go home.

650

:

But nobody's adopting a 24-year-old cat.

651

:

With a tilted head.

652

:

No one.

653

:

But Lisa loves those chihuahuas, so

it, Lisa, those chihuahuas are learning

654

:

how to live with a multi pet home.

655

:

'Cause there's a dog in there

that's a permanent resident as well.

656

:

And he loves dogs.

657

:

He just hates people.

658

:

So when people visit, I have

to take him out of the room.

659

:

But he loves dogs.

660

:

So they're learning how

to live with other dogs.

661

:

They're learning how to live with cats.

662

:

They're learning.

663

:

It's funny, 'cause hoarder dogs

go to the bathroom everywhere

664

:

and one of the chihuahuas pooped

on the cat's like ottoman.

665

:

And the cat just smacked it.

666

:

And that dog has not pooped

on the ottoman since.

667

:

So they're helping with housebreaking.

668

:

And if you look at our videos, I

have a video of Barry who is our

669

:

handicap dog, she has no hind legs.

670

:

She's been with us for

almost five years now.

671

:

She's actually got a potential adopter.

672

:

We have to do a meet next week.

673

:

But it took me that long to find a dog

with no hind and legs, a home where

674

:

someone was willing to take on that.

675

:

But Barry has helped us socialize

so many dogs, and I was like,

676

:

here, 10 schnauzers go play.

677

:

And she's teaching them to trust people.

678

:

And if it wasn't for Barry and

the cats, those dogs would not be

679

:

as far along as they are because

they're making friends with Barry.

680

:

They're making friends with the cats, then

they're watching Barry and the cats and

681

:

baby sharks, the other dog interact with

people and go, oh, hey, I can do that too.

682

:

So it's, but like we don't have

those adoption numbers that are crazy

683

:

because sometimes that's not just one.

684

:

Sometimes it actually is years.

685

:

And those on the animals that other places

could say you should have euthanized them.

686

:

And again, I'm gonna go back

to some of these animals,

687

:

did not fly 3000 miles to die

688

:

39 cats were left at JFK airport.

689

:

What was I supposed to do?

690

:

Let them get euthanized?

691

:

Hell no.

692

:

Some of them were older.

693

:

I still have them.

694

:

It's okay.

695

:

They're at least doing something

to help other animals find a home.

696

:

It's just now that things have

gotten numbered base, it's just hard.

697

:

Dixie: I understand.

698

:

Meredith: I babble.

699

:

I'm a

700

:

New Yorker.

701

:

Dixie: That's okay.

702

:

What do you think needs to

be done to change things?

703

:

Or how do you forecast things

in the future in animal rescue?

704

:

Meredith: I think

705

:

in general, first, everybody

needs to stop arguing.

706

:

Animal rescuers argue all the time.

707

:

It's not a competition.

708

:

We all have to come to some sort

of middle level because animal

709

:

cruelty laws in this country, in the

United States are not consistent.

710

:

In most cases they're not enforced.

711

:

But the reason, and working with

politicians as much as we do,

712

:

especially with helping Afghans and

then other things we're doing with

713

:

law enforcement and hoarding cases,

I can tell you most politicians

714

:

think animal rescuers are nuts.

715

:

'cause we're always arguing and

we're always fighting and we're

716

:

always badmouthing each other.

717

:

And you and I both know that's true.

718

:

So we need to try to stop, take a

step back and try to work together

719

:

for like comprehensive animal

welfare reform that's consistent.,

720

:

I think also you need to look at the

hoarding issue that occurs across

721

:

this country with animal hoarding.

722

:

And really start looking at it like

this is a mental illness problem.

723

:

So when we do a hoarding case.

724

:

Typically when I'm mitigating it, and

it's not law enforcement, and I've

725

:

done that before, I haven't done one

in two years, but we have helped orders

726

:

get their numbers down, clean their

house up without getting arrested.

727

:

And we work with social workers and

mental health professionals and you

728

:

need to make sure they're getting the

aftercare and then that's dissipated.

729

:

So now it's arrest them, press

charges, take all their animals away,

730

:

no follow up, no follow through.

731

:

They get convicted five years, no dogs.

732

:

Guess what happens in five years?

733

:

They go get more dogs

734

:

or they're convicted and they're

told that they can't have pets and

735

:

they get them anyway and nobody

follows up to make sure they don't.

736

:

So I think we need to do a better

job addressing the hoarding problem

737

:

that's happening across this country.

738

:

'cause it's everywhere.

739

:

I think we need to, as rescue groups,

create partnerships with law enforcement,

740

:

district attorneys, people in positions

of legal authority to try to figure out

741

:

a plan to what to do in these situations.

742

:

To try to stop gabit from going forward.

743

:

Wellness checks, things like that.

744

:

I also think that maybe we need to

try to get better partnerships with

745

:

the townships and the counties and

the states that we're in to try to

746

:

help, especially when we're stepping

up to take animals that were abused,

747

:

that were part of an investigation.

748

:

Because if we are gonna step up and

take 10 dogs out of a case that was

749

:

where a person was arrested, the

animals are also a victim of a crime.

750

:

So the county or the state or

the township could, in theory.

751

:

Help the animal rescues that help

those animals with some of the expenses

752

:

because they do that with people.

753

:

Those are just my random thoughts.

754

:

And I also think we need to try to come

to some sort of way to get a consistent

755

:

across the board, maybe a coalition

where we could try to help people pay

756

:

their medical bills more on a national

level so that they don't surrender

757

:

because they can't afford something.

758

:

A network of organizations that

are willing to offer up foster

759

:

homes to temporarily house pets

like we do would also be fantastic.

760

:

I could go all day on this.

761

:

Sorry.

762

:

There's lots of ideas.

763

:

Dixie: Yeah.

764

:

Those are all great ideas.

765

:

And what you said too about the

rescue groups working together, that

766

:

was one point of this whole podcast

when I first started it, is because

767

:

I did see a lot of rescue groups,

like they fight with each other.

768

:

Meredith: Yes.

769

:

And yes.

770

:

Dixie: Rather than fight with each other,

work together, we all have the same goal.

771

:

Meredith: Yeah

772

:

Like I'm not competition, so

generally speaking, I try to

773

:

get along with everybody, but

I'm that weird bucket, right?

774

:

I'm not competing with you.

775

:

If you're doing kitten adoptions, you win.

776

:

I had five kittens this whole

year, and they're just getting

777

:

adopted now because they were so

malnourished I couldn't fix them

778

:

until they were six months old, right?

779

:

And then I have a bunch

of old cats and old dogs.

780

:

I have cats and dogs.

781

:

I can't bring new adoption events

at Petco or Pet Smart because they

782

:

don't like other cats and dogs.

783

:

So I'm not anyone's competition.

784

:

The people who know who I am are

usually within the rescue community

785

:

because again, I'm the person that you

call, like I have three chihuahuas.

786

:

I can't do anything with the Merediths.

787

:

Do you have room?

788

:

I'm that person.

789

:

But I think we all need to work

together because I picked up the phone

790

:

and I called all the people that I've

helped before, and I'm like, Hey, she

791

:

want a schnauzer because some of the

dogs in this house didn't need me.

792

:

Some of the dogs outta these 25 dogs

didn't need to be at my facility.

793

:

Yes, they needed medical care, but they

did not need as much socialization.

794

:

They were not as traumatized

as some of the others.

795

:

I think if we all worked together

instead of competing for the high

796

:

profile cases, that would be way better.

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Dixie: Yeah I agree with that.

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I had somebody come look at two

kittens that I had the other

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day to adopt 'em together.

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They looked at 'em and I told 'em, I'm

like, look, before you make this decision

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:

on my two kittens, I'm like, they have two

other groups that have adoption events.

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Go check them out too.

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Meredith: yep.

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People come to me and they're like,

Meredith, I saw you have a dog.

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It's worm.

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Worm is a , seven pound Maltese.

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He's been with me for almost four

years now because worm's fence,

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:

his criminal offense that ended him

up in a town shelter was hopping

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:

a neighbor's fence and ripping a

German shepherd's ears off again.

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I'm gonna repeat.

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It's a seven pound Maltese.

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He's extremely large dog aggressive and

he flies like a squirrel flying squirrel.

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So I worked with Worm on not

hopping five foot fences.

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He doesn't do that anymore.

815

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Initially when we had him for adoption,

I said he needed a DPS collar.

816

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He doesn't run away anymore.

817

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He doesn't bolt anymore.

818

:

He is got a lot of training,

but he is still a jerk.

819

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He's just a jerk.

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:

He's not an abused dog.

821

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He was a spoiled brat that never got

taught rules, structure, or boundaries.

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They bought him in a pet store, they

had him for a year, and then he did

823

:

that because they never told him no.

824

:

'cause he was cute and they

carried him everywhere.

825

:

And they, and that goes back to

what could we do differently?

826

:

Education, educating people on how

to train your dog, how to train

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your cat to use a litter box.

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All of that stuff.

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Going out into the world and putting

out podcasts and, advice like you

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:

see, if you follow us on social

media, I try to tell people what we're

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:

doing to rehabilitate dogs or how

to train a dog or how to help a cat.

832

:

Because I think it's important to share

that knowledge, not only within the rescue

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:

community, but with the general public.

834

:

As well.

835

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Because if that had been done, if somebody

told people it doesn't matter that he's

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:

only seven pounds, you need to train him

that it's not okay to eat your neighbor's

837

:

German Shepherd because on the day that

you let him go in your backyard because

838

:

you didn't realize Cujo was next door

outside, he's gonna fly over the fence.

839

:

And you would think that Worm

would've lost that fight.

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:

He did not.

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:

We have 148 pound Amberly.

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:

He's a good boy.

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:

And I know Worm got over a fence

and nipped at him and he just looked

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:

at me and he's little dog Matt.

845

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Now I'm very lucky 'cause

Hugo's good with little dogs.

846

:

He tolerated that.

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:

But somebody's dog next door may not.

848

:

We need to educate people like

how to train the dogs, but we also

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:

like need to make sure that we

are not setting dogs up to fail.

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:

I'm not gonna put Worm in a house

with someone with a four foot fence.

851

:

That'd be crazy.

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:

Dixie: Yeah.

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:

Makes sense.

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:

Makes total sense.

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:

Meredith: Yeah.

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:

Yeah.

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:

So when people call me and

say, how high is your fence?

858

:

And they'll go, oh, I have

a four foot chain link.

859

:

I'm like, yeah, does

your neighbor have a dog?

860

:

And they're like, yeah, my

neighbor has this golden retriever.

861

:

I'm like, I know that this

shelter have Malteses available.

862

:

You need to go there because Worm

is not the right dog for you.

863

:

I refer them to other groups that I

know have dogs, similar body type to

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:

the little one that they inquired about.

865

:

Dixie: Because it makes a

better fit for everybody.

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Meredith: Yep.

867

:

And we have the worst

schnauzers from this case.

868

:

So when people call me and say,

Hey Meredith, I was calling

869

:

about the Bayshore hoarding case.

870

:

I'm like, oh, you know what?

871

:

Most of mine are not ready yet,

but I know that Valerie's are.

872

:

So you can call them at the adoption

center, or I know that Virginia's are, you

873

:

can call Attack North for country kids.

874

:

Or, I know Yorkie 9 1 1 took four from me.

875

:

They have younger ones.

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:

They had no issues.

877

:

They're just babies.

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:

You can call them because if

you don't do that, a no one's

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:

gonna ever wanna help you again.

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:

And B, like the goal is to get

animals adopted so that you can

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:

free it up so that there is space.

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:

I don't know.

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It's not a competition , if you

don't have the right animal and your

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:

rescue for someone, it shouldn't be

just, we don't have that right now.

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:

I'll keep you on the list in case we get

something in that matches your needs.

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:

It takes three seconds and

we all know who has what.

887

:

It takes three seconds for us

to go, you know what, gimme

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:

a second look for a Maltese.

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:

Let's see who has malteses in the area.

890

:

Dixie: Yeah.

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:

I love that you do that.

892

:

Meredith: You gotta, I dunno.

893

:

People say I'm too nice.

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Dixie: Before we end the call,

what final message would you

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:

like to share with our listeners?

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Meredith: I just wish everybody

would do one kind thing every

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:

day 'cause if we all do that, we

can make a world a better place.

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:

And I also to always remember

before you judge, think.

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:

Put yourself in that person's shoes.

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:

If you grew up like that person

grew up, you might do the same

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:

thing or make the same choices.

902

:

If you were in that person's situation,

those things could have happened to you.

903

:

Goes back to kindness.

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:

So when you're dealing with people,

especially animal rescuers, when people

905

:

call you and ask for help and they really

do need help or they can't afford the

906

:

vet bill, instead of going online and

it's oh my God, I got this dog from

907

:

these people and they couldn't afford

the vet bill and he's really sick.

908

:

Maybe say , Hey, somebody

fell in hard times.

909

:

They couldn't care for their dog.

910

:

They had the wherewithal

to call and ask for help.

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:

We took the dog in.

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:

We're gonna get it the help it

need, or we wanna try to help these

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:

people 'cause they're a good owner

because if we did that, we can

914

:

actually, if we kept dogs with good

people and cats with good people.

915

:

We literally could go to the town and the

county shelters, the high kill shelters

916

:

and help the animals that nobody wants

because we would have the space and the th

917

:

instead of just flipping adoptable pets.

918

:

I hate to use the word flipping.

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:

I'm not calling people flippers,

but we can't just do kittens and

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:

poppies, but I get that it's easy.

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:

I don't do kittens and puppies.

922

:

Do you know why?

923

:

Could you guess?

924

:

I didn't wanna be one of those people.

925

:

I didn't wanna be adoption fee driven.

926

:

I didn't wanna fall into the trap.

927

:

I gotta go pull a bunch of puppies.

928

:

'cause we need money to pay for things.

929

:

I wanted to figure out a different way.

930

:

We've been at, since 2013.

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This is the first time I'm

having a major problem.

932

:

I could not have predicted

this life situation at all.

933

:

Like this one's for the books,

934

:

Dixie: but yeah.

935

:

Yeah, nobody could predict.

936

:

Yeah, I tried.

937

:

Meredith: I was like, what the heck?

938

:

Wow, I've never had someone offer

us a grant, get approved and go,

939

:

oops, sorry, our funding got cut.

940

:

That has never happened.

941

:

And you can't even get mad.

942

:

You just laugh.

943

:

I gotta laugh.

944

:

. So other final thought is to please

again, be kind, but also be conscious

945

:

and aware and take responsibility.

946

:

If you're going to take

on a case, see it through.

947

:

If you can see it through, ask for help.

948

:

Don't dump it on someone else.

949

:

When someone else does actually help you.

950

:

Make sure that you don't abandon

them with that situation.

951

:

I guess that's it, right?

952

:

That was a good end.

953

:

Dixie: Thank you so much for taking

the time to speak with me and I

954

:

think things will end up getting

better, so just hang in there.

955

:

Meredith: Trying.

956

:

We'll see what happens.

957

:

Whatcha gonna do.

958

:

You're not gonna pack it up.

959

:

You're gonna keep fighting.

960

:

I have my quote of the day has

been, let's just go down swinging.

961

:

You are gonna go down, swinging,

go down trying, go down swinging.

962

:

At the end of the day, even if you

fail, if you tried your best and you

963

:

did everything you could, then you're

gonna be able to sleep at night.

964

:

But if you just give up and

walk, then you didn't try.

965

:

There's always that what if in the back.

966

:

Dixie: Yeah.

967

:

And it sounds like you've done

a lot of good, that's for sure.

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:

Thank you for listening and

we hope you join us next week.

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:

If you know somebody that loves animals

as much as I do, please send 'em our way.

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:

We would love to talk to 'em.

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:

If you are enjoying our show, please

consider leaving us a donation.

972

:

A hundred percent goes to our animals.

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:

Paws in

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:

the night Claws in the

fight Whiskers twitch and

975

:

tails

976

:

take flight

977

:

They’re calling in Stories to spin

From the wild to the heart within

978

:

Broken wings and hopeful springs

We’re the voices for these things

979

:

animal posse hear the call.

980

:

We stand together.

981

:

Big and small Rescue tales We’ve

got it all Animal posse Saving

982

:

them

983

:

all

984

:

The vet’s got tips The rescuer’s

grit The foster homes where love

985

:

won’t quit From a pup in the rain to

a bird in pain , Every soul’s worth

986

:

the

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:

strain

988

:

Animal posse

989

:

Hear the call

990

:

We stand together Big

991

:

and small Rescue tales We’ve got

it all Animal posse Saving them all

992

:

Every caller tells a tale, every

howl a whispered wail, we rise up.

993

:

We never

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:

fail.

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:

This

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:

is

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:

the

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:

bond

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:

The holy grail

:

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Animal posse Hear the call We stand

together Big and small Rescue tales We’ve

:

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got it all Animal posse Saving them all

:

00:49:08,964 --> 00:49:16,229

Every caller tells a tale Every howl

a whispered wail We rise up We never

:

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fail This is the bond The holy grail.

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