Rob and David engage in a meaningful conversation with two special guests, Dr. Keith Daniel and Steve Swain. Dr. Keith Daniel, co-founder of Resilient Ventures, and Steve Swain, Director of St. Francis Springs Prayer Center, share personal stories and insights into their leadership journeys, emphasizing the necessity for intentionality, proximity, and non-violence in leadership. They underscore the concept of creating a culture of belonging to enable cities and communities to truly rejoice.

00:00 Introduction to the 11 Ten Leadership Podcast

01:11 Meet Our Special Guests: Dr. Keith Daniel and Steve Swain

04:00 The Journey of Friendship and Leadership

11:56 The Power of Shared Experiences and Hospitality

17:37 Creating Margin and Intentionality in Leadership

24:08 Rejoicing the City: Leveraging Power and Influence

31:08 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Resources

1. 11 Ten Leadership
2. StepUp Durham
3. Habitat for Humanity
4. ReCity

I think that you spend a lot of your twenties, thirties, and forties.

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Just pounding away at stuff there's

zero margin but once suffering hits

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And you realize.

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That life is really short.

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That everyone is gonna suffer.

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It's just a matter of when that

suffering's going to take place.

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And then the bigger question

is, what are you doing with it?

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Rob: Welcome to the 1110

leadership podcast, where we tackle

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issues at the intersection of

leadership, faith, and culture.

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I'm your host, Rob Shields, vice

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And I'm joined by my co host, founder and

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Proverbs 1110 lays out a bold

and counter cultural vision.

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When the righteous

prosper, the city rejoices.

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We're here to ask, what does it look like

practically to be this type of leader?

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Leaders willing to invest

everything they have so that

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everyone around them can thrive.

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Join us on the journey as we

lean in, listen, and learn

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how to become Proverbs 11.

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10 kind of leaders.

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The kind of leaders that

make our cities rejoice.

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David.

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David: Hello, Rob.

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Rob: Welcome back to the

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My friends,

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David: good to be back.

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I'm excited about our guest today.

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Rob: Oh, very excited.

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We're going double trouble.

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So we're gonna just go ahead and

jump straight into the conversation,

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which I hope our listeners won't mind

at all, because this is a fun one

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with some good friends of ours that

I think bring a lot of perspective

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that, our listeners will really value.

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So we've got two guests joining us today.

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Dr.

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Keith, Daniel and Steve Swain.

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Two very good friends who are gonna be

joining and talking about both their

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friendship and all things leadership.

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So just a quick bio on both these guys.

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If you're not familiar with their work.

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Keith Daniels, the co-founder and

managing director of Resilient

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Ventures which launched its first

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by African American founders.

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They just launched their second fund in

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Leads Madison Consulting Group and

brings over three decades of leadership

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experience in higher education,

nonprofit management, public service.

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Keith lives in Durham and

has two adult children.

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Steve Swain is currently

the director of St.

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Francis.

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Springs Prayer Center, a role he

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introduced there on a silent retreat.

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Steve's got a lot of leadership

experience, both in the

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for-profit and nonprofit sectors.

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He currently owns three businesses.

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And was formerly the director of

StepUp Ministries for nine years, which

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StepUp, if you're not familiar, teaches

job and life skills to unemployed

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adults in Raleigh, Greensboro,

Wilmington, and Durham, North Carolina.

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Before that he ran and

sold a publishing company.

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He operated a young life camp.

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He worked for a couple MBA teams

as their director of marketing

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and community relations.

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That list is pretty long.

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Both of these guys just bring such

a wealth of leadership experience

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and knowledge to this conversation.

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David?

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David: Yeah just to build on that they're

leaders who have won just varied, diverse

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backgrounds of leadership environments

as well as just always being on mission,

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they're just always on purpose with the

way that they're leading and doing so.

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With the real intentionality

of being close to things in our

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communities that need to be addressed.

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So it's just a really

refreshing time with them today.

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Rob: Yeah.

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They bring some fresh perspective

and I'm really glad that we were

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able to have this conversation with

the both of them together because

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it was really something special.

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So here is our conversation

with Keith and Steve.

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Steve and Keith, welcome to

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So happy to have you both.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Rob and David.

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Glad to be here for sure.

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David: Yeah, Steve and Keith, it's

so great for us to have you guys.

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We're excited about this conversation.

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We've just introduced you with your

bios and the backgrounds that each

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of you bring to this are so dynamic.

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And so as we get into this, we don't

know where this conversation will go

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because we can go in a lot of different

directions, but we're just gonna.

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Tee it up and let you guys go.

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So as we begin, I'd love to just hear

how you guys met what brought you

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together and how have you pursued

relationship with one another.

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Keith, can you begin, and Steve, if you

want to add to that, we'd love to just

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hear how you guys have become friends.

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Keith: So not sure the exact first

encounter with Steve, but what stands

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out to me is the work of Step Up and

meeting him through , that story that

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as it was emerging in Durham, a few

of our friends were committed to.

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Making sure that StepUp didn't just come

to Durham with its prescribed mission

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without some real intentionality.

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So there are a number of friends in

my circles who were concerned about

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the reflection and the investment

and, what StepUp Derham would

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look like as opposed to Raleigh.

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Eventually I got invited to be a part

of, the North Carolina Step Up mission.

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For those who don't know, it's a amazing

nonprofit seeking to address job readiness

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for those who have barriers to employment.

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And that spoke to my heart, my career and

part of my career in helping people find,

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good employment and calling and so forth.

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I can't remember if you first

was in Raleigh or in Durham.

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Steve.

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I know we have another good friend, John

Parker, who I'll name as a co-conspirator

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around, all things trying to address

those who are most vulnerable and

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typically the most impacted by some of

the oppressive realities of our world.

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Yeah, I would say.

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I think the thing I remember about our

friendship being solidified was the trip

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that we made down to Montgomery, the

50th anniversary Selma to Montgomery.

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Yeah.

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Celebration at Dexter

Avenue Baptist Church.

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And just the gift that was to beat John

Lewis and to be in that worship service.

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And in a sense to experience a little bit

of, what the Kingdom of Heaven looks like

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when you can really celebrate Jubilee.

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David: Steve, when was that?

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Would've been 15.

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'cause it was a 15 pound, yeah, 2015.

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The summer of March was

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Keith: We had gone down to Quine

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Steve: Farms.

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Haven't

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Keith: been there before.

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I highly recommend going down there to see

where Habitat for Humanity got started.

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Yeah.

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And we just happened to be over there and

a friend of ours called us and asked us

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if we wanted to go to that service, and

so we booked over to Montgomery and got

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the privilege of being a part of that.

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David: So Steve, what is it about

Keith that you would say, if you

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were to describe Keith to your

friends, how would you describe him?

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Oh Lord.

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Shake his head.

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He starting to shake his head direction.

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I

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Rob: might need to go on mute.

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Oh man.

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It's the newly we game

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. Steve: Keith is the most, humble

wise, justice minded Christian

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that I could rub my shoulders with.

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He has a passion to see the kingdom

of God lived out on this earth in

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a way that is remarkable to me.

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Some of the things that he has said

over his life to me, just, you just stop

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and go, oh my gosh, o only God could

do and say those things through him.

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And he just lives his life with

such conviction and character and

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all of that is, is a deepening and

a deep relationship with Jesus.

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But he.

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So freely shares that with

people and it's a gift.

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David: Keith, your turn.

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Thank you.

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Keith: It's hard to live up to that.

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I first say that, Steve is

willing to go to jail for me.

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And he has had a taste of that.

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I think maybe.

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A couple times and that's no small thing.

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Being born in 1968 and knowing the

sacrifices that many people had

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to make, that I could even have

a relationship across the color

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line, that has any sense of equity

to it is an amazing grace of God.

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'cause it's violently opposed.

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For a man like myself and him to have

a relationship of respect and mutual

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admiration mutual holy admiration

for one another, and knowing that

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we are by no means perfect men.

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But we are, striving for that

goly perfection as, as elusive

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as it is from any moment.

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Yeah, Steve has taken some risk with

his own wealth and influence and yeah,

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God has given us the chance to do

some quote freedom rides together, be

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in cars, have some pretty hilarious

things happen right in front of us.

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I'll tell you what.

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Knowing some of the stories

of the people we get to.

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Do life with.

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I just listened to the episode

you had Natasha on and a litany

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of other women like her have been

so deeply influential in my life.

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And Steve has also had the

enjoyment of that with fearless,

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courageous, compassionate, humble.

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And when you're around enough people

like that, hopefully some of that

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actually truly comes off on you.

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And I receive Steve's characterization of

experience with me as a acknowledgement

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of the broader community that's

been so influential in our lives.

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And I'm thankful for Steve and.

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His ongoing commitment.

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To go to jail.

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Rob: To go to jail.

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Steve and Keith, it really is a privilege

to talk to people who I know just have

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such a wealth of wisdom and knowledge

to offer our listeners and even myself,

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I reflect back on how I met each of

you as I was cutting my teeth as a

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new nonprofit leader in Durham and.

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Got connected with each of you, Steve.

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I remember it was on the front

porch over in east Durham.

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And you just opened up your,

wealth of relationships and

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said, yeah, what can I do?

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What can I do to connect you?

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Who do you need to be connected with?

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And, you just took an hour and just rocked

on a rocking chair with me someone who had

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much less social capital than yourself and

just was willing to leverage that for me.

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And then Keith I vividly remember

us being at re city, we may not have

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had all the fully furnished yet.

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It may have just been a

couple tables and chairs.

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And sat together and you made space for

me to be able to really help me think

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through how to be inclusive with the model

of re city and make sure that we really

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swim against the current to make sure

that people on the margins were brought

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in and centered into that story in ways

that just wouldn't happen automatically.

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And both of you, I just feel like

gave the gift of time when you didn't

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have to and at such a formative

time in my leadership journey.

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it makes me very grateful for

the role and now that we're full

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circle here today, having this

conversation, CS Lewis talks about

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friendship being something like that.

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You two moment, right?

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When you turn to someone and

say, oh yeah, we share this.

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The friendship itself isn't

what we're here to talk about.

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We're almost like we're caught up in

this common mission, in this story of

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what we wanna see happen in the world.

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I wonder if you guys could

articulate that and from both of

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your perspectives what that is.

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What is that through line

that brings you to that table?

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What is that mission?

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What is that why that you feel like

you each share that really feels like

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it anchors you in your relationship?

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Keith: Yeah, I'm try to give a little bit

of thought to where this might lead us.

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Steve and I were talking before about

this, this word hospitality, right?

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I was shaped in a community at the time,

was very much about the black community,

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the black church, my black neighborhoods.

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I grew up in Washington, DC and in Durham.

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At the same time, because of

the heritage of my family here,

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going back multiple generations.

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So I know what it's like to be on the

porch with people and to watch the

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community pass you by and actually

know what it like, to never see

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a white person come through your

neighborhood or community, all

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that has changed tremendously.

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In some ways that are, that

we're still all reckoning with,

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what does integration look like?

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That true full integration versus a few

folks who come and, raise the property.

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Taxes and the influence around

the economic justice, right?

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What does it mean to be

hospitable to people?

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A stranger shows up at your door.

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People on the corner who are

struggling with addiction,

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struggling with joblessness.

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You have a heart for that.

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I'm still thinking about the people

I pass that faces loom large.

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Each day that I know are unemployed,

they don't have work, housing, insecure,

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my brothers and sisters who are coming

back from prison, the relationship

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has God given me with people in all

these different sectors of life.

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And I think we share that.

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I think we share that wanting to

be open, use our privilege in a

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way that makes it less possible

for anybody to not have enough.

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Are a lot of through lines to the story.

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But when I got a letter from Steve

and for those who read his background,

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when he said he was gonna be the

director of this place called St.

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Francis that I had not heard of, and

ironically, I not sure why I hadn't

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heard of it, just stayed outta my

sight because I do a lot of spiritual

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direction work with seminarians.

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And I just thought, and this was

pre right before the pandemic,

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it was like, was that 2019 Steve?

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When you took over Director of St.

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Francis, and he letter in the

mail was like, I'm director.

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What?

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The spiritual retreat center, Steve the,

the master fundraiser, I need that, I

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need a place to go, rest, heal, get away.

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And suddenly this close, dear friend of

mine had the keys to that and then he

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was like, Hey, just get you on the books.

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Just get you here.

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And that slowly has just emerged

into this very flourishing,

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Rob: the

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library that is there.

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I could go on about that.

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Dedicated African American

authors, storytellers the former

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priest who was there yeah.

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I'll just stop there.

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I

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Keith: I think what Keith.

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Was expanding on, and which I think

is really critical is experiences

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are really important, right?

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Like shared experiences

are critical in this.

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And I think so often in life, where

life is just going so fast that

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we just miss everything, right?

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Like we're just such in the

grind that we are missing things.

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But a couple of things have always

impacted me about black space.

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One of them is the gift of

being on someone's porch.

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And Keith referenced this, but

I didn't know this growing up.

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I didn't have any idea

how important it is.

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And you get in any black

context and sitting on a black

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person's porch is a real gift.

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It is a gift and many

white people don't do it.

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And as I've just tried in life

to be, somewhat contrarian.

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I just ask Keith sometime, Hey

man, can I come hear your story

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and just sit on your porch?

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And right now we're only

into college, right?

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So I have had two or three times with

him on his porch, and I'm only at his

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college years at Duke playing football.

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So I haven't even gotten into the rest

of his life, which I know a lot of.

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But like that.

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That's just a real gift

of shared experience.

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And I think the other thing

too that hits me all the time

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is I'm not a great listener.

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And so I am trying to desperately

learn how to be a great active

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listener and what that looks like.

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And when you are spending time and in

particular in spaces of color, like it is

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really important to listen and to really

try to understand wait, this isn't what I.

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I am, I'm not used to any of this.

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What's going on here?

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And I need to be a student.

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And I think for many years

I thought I was the teacher.

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And in reality, ever since I got to St.

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Francis, I've been trying to learn,

I almost deconstruct what it means

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to be a teacher and really learn

what it means to be a student.

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David: Yeah.

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I wanna build off of what you guys

have both said because I wanna make

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sure our listeners understand that

both you guys are really busy people.

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You're leaders, you've had

incredible leadership in spaces

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of for-profit businesses.

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In the nonprofit space, Keith,

you're committed to providing

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investment and resources for

African American entrepreneurship

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through resilient ventures.

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Steve leading St.

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Francis and.

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Being engaged with issues around

affordable housing, among all

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the other things that you guys

have done in your careers,

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you guys have had to create

margin for what you just said.

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So many of our leaders are just

in the throes of all the demands

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that their businesses require

that their people require.

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What you're talking about.

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Is just completely foreign.

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To the rhythm of the leaders that

we're working with just to even

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have space to sit on a porch.

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Not, even their own porch, so you just

said deconstruct the way you think.

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My assumption is you all have had to

deconstruct how you even live and what is

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your purpose and how you spend your time.

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So how would you describe that?

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What's been that process for you?

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How have you maintained, your

level of leadership and outcomes

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that you need for the things that

you're leading while creating

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space for what you just described?

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Steve, I'll let you start this time.

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Yep.

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And then Keith, you jump in.

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Steve: I think just being really

as authentic as I can possibly be.

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I think that you spend a lot of your

twenties, thirties, and forties.

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Just pounding away at stuff, right?

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Like the way you were just

describing, just there's zero

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margin and I was in that.

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But once suffering hits and you

can't control that anymore and you

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can't change other human beings.

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And you realize that it's you and Jesus.

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There's really no other way around it.

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You start to see things very

clearly and you realize.

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That life is really short.

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That everyone is gonna suffer.

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It's just a matter of when that

suffering's going to take place.

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And then the bigger question

is, what are you doing with it?

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And for me, it opened up a whole

realm of just looking at culture.

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And looking at what was wrong and

going how do you not engage this?

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How do I not make time for it?

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And so for me, it literally

became a discipline.

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So much which is gonna sound crazy.

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Keith might laugh at this, but

every time I book a meeting with

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a white person, I make sure I book

a meeting with a black person.

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Like that.

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Sound like it sounds

ridiculous to say that.

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But I really am trying to live a

life of intentionality that when

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we say the kingdom of God is all,

like I'm trying to make it about

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all, and I don't tell anybody this.

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I just just try to,

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David: you just did do it

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Steve: to a lot of people.

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Yeah.

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Sorry.

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I just try to do it right.

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Like you just discipline your

life to, to make that a priority.

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And I think, my friendship with Keith.

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Is a priority, and I learn a ton

from him every time I'm with him.

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And I think, again, what binds me to

him is this notion that I see the beauty

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of Jesus in him, in the way he cares

about others, and it attracts me to 'em.

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David: Keith, how about you?

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Yeah, I was a couple

things came to mind for me.

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I've had pivotal moments in my life where,

I can't, I just, the amazing grace of

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God, he stops me in my tracks and said,

I need you to think about something.

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And that has been hard early on because

when I graduated from Duke, I came

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out football trains you a certain way.

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Keith: I'll run through a wall,

I'll run through a barrier.

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If I'm hurting, get over it.

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Get a little training, tape it up.

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Take some medicine, keep charging.

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My whole first half of my life

was formed around that sport from

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the time I was eight years old

until my last season in college.

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And I remember I broke my wrist my

junior year and that's, I think that's

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where we may have stopped Steve.

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I don't know.

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Was starting wide receiver,

running, starting kick returner.

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I had hit the height.

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Of, of that sport and broke

my wrist down in Tennessee.

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And, we were beating the, we were beating

the brakes off of Tennessee, by the way.

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First quarter.

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And so I'm on the plane coming back.

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My wrist is on fire.

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It's basically, it's shattered.

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I had to sleep overnight.

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I'm crying in the bed

crying underneath my breath.

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Really?

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'cause I didn't want my.

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Roommate to know, but anyway, went

in the hospital bed and God was like,

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I got, your identity is way more

than this sport than with football.

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And that kind of scales fell off my

eyes a little bit began because anybody

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who knows when you've worked so hard

for something you've trained so hard

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for, you know what the grind is.

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Then that goes away and then

suddenly I'm, God is having a

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conversation with me at that moment.

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I'm so thankful because he's put

spiritual directors in my life.

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He's led me to, to the academy where I've

had a lot of mentors who do a lot of work

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around theology and thinking about God and

hopefully hearing from God and responding.

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So that has made me more intentional

about my interior life, and has

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made, led me to people like St.

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Francis, like Howard Thurman.

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Henry now, and Richard Rohr, you know this

interior work is and I tell my son, who

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also was a MA college athlete, division

one, I said, all the work we put into

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this physical life to get things, to have

control of things, man, that stuff got

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to, you gotta release that to God and then

let God do the interior work because we're

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facing a lot of violence in the world.

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And if I'm not doing the interior work.

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It's a road to disaster.

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The relationships around

me are gonna feel it.

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Ultimately people will be shunned

by the kind of person I'm becoming

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if I'm not doing that work.

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So yeah.

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Rob: I appreciate both of those

answers, and I think in many ways,

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this is a podcast about a tiny

little verse in Proverbs, right?

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Proverbs 1110, when the righteous

prosper, the city rejoices.

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And so we spend a lot of time

with the leaders we work with,

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unpacking all the many implications

of those handful of words.

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What does it mean to be, in

the Hebrew of the sad Akeem.

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The people who are leveraging whatever

amount of power, wealth, and influence

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they have to rejoice the city.

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I'm really struck and I want to just

make sure that our listeners, digest

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the through line of both of your most

recent answers there of, we talk a

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lot on this podcast of the power of

proximity and we talk about needing

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to cross lines of difference, whether

that be race, whether it be class

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or the gender, the through line.

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There was a really this, the way

that there was a holy displacement.

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Both of your lives, the way that God

uses suffering, allows suffering to

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displace you to then maybe give you

empathy for those who are displaced.

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I know that has definitely been true

in my story and David's story as well.

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I guess as we draw the conversation

to a close here, would love to have

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you guys speak on how you've thought

about what it means to rejoice the

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city and what do leaders today.

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Who are in places where they

can have influence and leverage

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power, wealth, and influence?

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What are obstacles to

them rejoicing the city?

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And what are assets and traits

that need to be honed from your

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vantage point, and they, maybe even

some that you're currently trying

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to hone yourself to really be the

akm that verse is talking about.

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Keith, we'll let you go first this time.

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Keith: Yeah, I think for me it's I've

been called to do a lot of teaching

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around the spiritual life, the interior

life and reckoning around race and

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racism and the violence in our world.

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I have to see the violence

within my own community.

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And I think what I think about

often is being trained to be a

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nonviolent responder which is

predicated on this aic love, right?

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This vision of AIC love, which is.

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My love will out, endure your hate,,

I have a lot of that in my veins

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from the Civil Rights movement.

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'cause I know how violently opposed

it was both within our community and

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without, I had to wake up every day and

decide that I do believe that we can

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participate in an integrated society.

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That's a decision that

does not come without cost.

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'cause what we're facing now politically

and economically makes me think

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about where do I feel most safe?

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Whether it's the black church, the

black college institutions, the

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places that we say were built for us.

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A lot of my peers we're not

going to white schools anymore.

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We're not making ourselves subject

to these spaces that have made

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it clear that it's not for us.

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People moving out of the country.

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People, there, there's it's a different

kind of pandemic happening right now

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that we have to guard ourself against.

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There is more of an uprising around

hate and hateful language and

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assaults on many bodies, right?

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So I think how do I respond

nonviolently peacefully.

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How do I channel my own rage

and hate that's within me and a

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part of my sinful nature, that

it's easy for me to retaliate?

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And again, I said I played

the sport of football.

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You ain't gonna just push me.

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I, that just not happening, but

what does it look like when I do

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get pushed and I choose not to

shove back in a certain way, right?

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I still have to be militant about

my dignity and stand firm in that.

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But what does that look like?

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And that's a really elusive question.

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It's a mystery that Jesus

surrendered to the cross.

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It's a mystery that we

call it Good Friday.

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If I'm being real as a human

being what's the good and the

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lynching of an innocent man, right?

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But then we go to the mystery of theology

and God's providence and the Odyssey

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about, why God, do we have to wait 400

years and then go back again to deal

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with the same things, stuff like that.

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So that.

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A lot of my heart bumping up there.

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Steve, how about you?

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I think I'll just end with this.

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I have focused the last couple of years,

Keith knows this, but on a book written

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by Henry Nowan called Reaching Out, and

there is this moment in the book that

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I'm gonna read to us it's on the three.

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Spiritual rhythms of life.

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The second section is on moving

from hostility to hospitality.

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And when you think about, a city

flourishing, a city really has to

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flourish when the city understands,

no, we're not gonna be hostile

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to each other, we're actually

gonna be hospitable to each other.

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And , he says this now, and

emphasizes that true hospitality.

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Involves creating a free space where

strangers can encounter acceptance

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and ultimately become friends

rather than remaining enemies.

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The distinction between host and guest

becomes fluid as this transformation

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occurs revealing a shared humanity

and a newfound unity between people.

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Who were once fearful of each other.

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And I just think about

that, especially at St.

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Francis of like, when a guest says to

us, gosh why does this feel like home?

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Like I feel like I'm.

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Part of this place, like I almost

wanna run over and hug 'em because I

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realize they're realizing like, oh,

they don't feel like a guest anymore.

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They feel like they're part of this.

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And I think when you look at scripture

is just full of Jesus being hospitable.

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That's who the brother was.

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Woman at the well.

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Paralytic man good Samaritan.

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The list goes on and on of how

Jesus modeled hospitality and.

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I think that's where a city flourishes

is when True Kingdom hospitality

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just rains all over the place.

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David: Yeah.

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This is good.

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As I'm listening to you guys talk,

that's stuff we all long for.

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And to get there, is through a means

that is very counter-cultural or even

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counter, what I am am prone to do myself.

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I think about the leaders that

we're working with and how they're

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wanting to build culture where

people feel like they belong.

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At work and feel known.

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And so I just wanna highlight that

as people are listening to you guys,

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that there's some real takeaways

in terms of our leadership for how

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we create a culture of belonging.

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And then that leads to ultimately the kind

of impact that allows the city to rejoice.

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And it takes some, steps of being

uncomfortable and moving into spaces

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we wouldn't normally do as leaders

to create that culture of belonging.

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Just can't thank you guys enough.

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Thank you for your stories

and what God is using them.

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Thank you for sharing things

that you may not have said

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to others before our podcast,

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but that just shows your

openness and your vulnerability.

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Because you're so passionate

about these things.

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So really appreciate that.

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Stephen Kee.

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Yeah.

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Thank you all so much for the work you're

doing and ways you're leading it's

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Rob: beautiful.

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Grateful, grateful for both of you.

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Thank you so much.

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Thanks

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y'all.

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