Have you ever had that little “niggling” feeling inside your gut? In today's episode, we are joined by Emily Clarke, an Anxiety coach, who shares with us the value of listening to that “niggling” feeling and what it actually is telling us. After having her own struggles with anxiety, Emily found the secret to understanding your anxiety and that is to love it. Listen in as we discuss how loving your anxiety and pairing that with spiritual practice is key to healing it, how to pay attention to whether your core essence is masculine or feminine, and how it connects to your anxiety processing.

About Emilie Clarke:

Emilie Clarke is a Spiritual Guide and Anxiety Coach. She teaches women how to heal their anxiety with her Love. vs Fear method. She's so passionate about helping women heal their anxiety because she used to suffer from it too.

Additional Resources/Reading:

• Books we mentioned:

Emilie’s fav biz/spiritual books:

• Dark Side of the Light Chasers by Debbie Ford
• A Return to Love by Marianne Williamson
• The Intuitive Way by Penny Pearce
• The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz

Jen’s fav biz/spiritual books:

• The Artist’s Way by Julia Cameron
• The Four-Hour Workweek by Tim Ferriss
• Rise Sister Rise by Rebecca Campbell

Jane’s fav biz/spiritual books:

• The Celestine Prophecy by James Redfield
• When the Body Says No by Dr. Gabor Mate
• Conversations with God, Neill Donald Walsh

About Jen and Jane

Jen Lang

Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.

Jane Stark

Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centred leader, certified health and life coach and marketing strategist.  She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.

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Hi, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of no halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. And today, we have very special guests with us, Emily Clark, who is going to do her own intro because I think that our guests do their intros the best. So I'm going to hand it over to you briefly to tell us a little bit about the work you do. And the magic you bring to this world. And then we'll jump into the combo. Over to very rad. Thank

you. I'm so happy to be here. Thank you so much. My name is Emily Clark. I'm a spiritual guide and anxiety coach, I teach women how to heal their anxiety. And the reason that I'm so passionate about helping women to heal their anxiety is because I used to suffer really greatly from it. I talk about anxiety on like a one to 10 scale. 10 being the worst one being good. I was like a 9.5 daily for years. And I didn't know why there was something off, I just could feel it. And when therapy didn't work for me, I you know, I basically thought, oh, there's something really wrong with me. And so at my lowest I kind of reached for the most unlikely sector to help me and that was spirituality. I wasn't raised that way. To this day. If I say God in front of my family, they look at me, like I have three hit heads. But um, spirituality worked, it worked for me. And after I kind of figured it out, I was like, Oh my god, I need to tell everybody about this. And so I ended up quitting my job sold, my house broke up with the guy I was with. Emily just went for it. And it's been an incredible ride for the last three and a half, almost four years. And I love it every day. Like it's just such a blessing to be able to do what you love and to help other human beings. So Wow, that's,

that's an awesome intro. Thank you so much. Alright, so I think we want to jump in with some questions. And you've already answered one of them is and like, How long ago did this happen for you? And sort of what's been your journey around that. But what was there like a single event or a moment that brought you to this spiritual path that you'd like to maybe share with our audience?

Absolutely. I experienced what I think they call an epiphany. And I had experienced an epiphany once when I was 19, which led me to be a radio announcer for all of my 20s. And when I got that same epiphany hit again, when I was 29. When I was 30. I was like, Okay, I know this feeling I know what this feeling is I know to go for it. It was almost like someone was behind me pushing. And I'm so glad that I listened to that have that hunch? Yeah, hunch. Yeah, intuitive download whatever you want to call it? Yeah, yeah, divinely LED. Absolutely. So I knew to listen to that, and to go for it. And so yeah, that's how I ended up quitting my job and hiring the same business coach that Jan and I had at the same time. And that's really when spirituality came into my came into my forefront. And then I thought I was using spirituality to like, grow my business. Turns out I needed it for like, every area in my life, and I had a fight anxiety so well.

Yeah, yeah, I found a similar journey. Yeah, Emily and I met, was it two or three years ago now we were in a mastermind together. Sorry, my throat has to be cleared in a business mastermind together that was so much more than business. So yeah, it's been really, really fascinating to follow your journey, even just from the last couple of years when we met. So going back, you said that you're you kind of always suffered with anxiety like, would you say through your whole life kind of until this place where you had the Epiphany or is it did it didn't start at some point and

my anxiety didn't really kick in until I was 2625. I had just gotten married to my ex husband, I had my dream job. I loved my job. We had a beautiful home, we had lots of money, we you know, by all accounts from the outside, it looks like we had everything that we needed. But that's when my anxiety started to get started at all. I've never really experienced anxiety before that. And I, yeah, I didn't, I just thought I thought, I'm just not handling life. Well, like maybe every other adult has lied to me about what life is like. But I was not handling it. Well, I just was miserable. And I felt like I was stuck in my own head. And I didn't understand this was the really big thing for me that I struggled with was, I had done what everyone told me to do that would make me happy. Everyone's like, get a job, go to, like, go to school, get a job, have a great career, get married white picket fence money, you know. And I got there and I was like, this is it. This is all this is it like this. I'm not happy. It's just so bad. That the devastation, yeah, the devastation when you do everything right, according to someone else's plan. And you get to that destination and you're like, Fuck, this is not what I wanted. This is not how it's supposed to feel.

Yeah, I can't imagine how many people that could land for.

And if this is landing for you, as a listener, we'd like to hear from you.

Yeah, yeah. So okay, so interesting. It wasn't something you suffered with your whole life necessarily. So what? So then you go on this journey of kind of realizing, okay, you know, you said you had a couple of epiphanies? How did you heal it? Like, how would you say you've healed it spirituality, big piece of it. But if we were to go a little bit deeper into that.

So my brand is called Love your anxiety, because I do teach women how to love their anxiety. I was reading one of the very first spiritual books that I read is called Dark Side of the light chasers by Debbie Ford, my Bible, my Bible, like I love that book. And in the book, okay, yeah. I feel like I have a couple. But that one was the first one that I really dove into. And in the book, she says, it will not leave you until you love it. And I was like, What? How can I love my anxiety? That sounds absolutely ridiculous. I want it to go away. I don't want it. I don't want to be nice to it. And throw through understanding shadow work a little bit better, and really using myself as a guinea pig. Because again, I was at rock bottom here. I it worked. It worked for me. And I was like, Oh my god, like this is incredible. How can people aren't talking about this. And so I also switched. Once I figured out that that really worked for me, I also switched my business, I was like a female empowerment coach, which was making no money. And then when I really narrowed down when I really niched down into healing, helping women heal their anxiety, that's when I started to get traction. I was like, a whole Oh, my God, this bag of mess that I've just gone through, it could be my message. Like what that is, so ask backwards, but okay, like this is working. So keep going. Well, there's

Sorry, go ahead. No, I was gonna say there is that as sort of adage are saying where we teach what we most need. And where you also, like what you've most needed out clearly resonates with plenty of other women in this world, and probably on men too. And there are coaches for them. And anyway, that that whole thing, like we teach what we most need, and you develop it first, you just have to be a couple of steps ahead of that next person that you can help.

Yep, absolutely. And I feel like when I'm coaching and when I'm helping other people, I'm also saying to myself, so ya know, like, obviously, I'm really good at this stuff. Because I talk about it all day long. I'm empathetic about it. I love it. Yeah. And so I'm ingesting it as well. So it's super powerful.

I know. I've always loved your energy about this and that around that. Like it's just it is it's it's infectious. Yeah. And your message, right? Yeah. Like, like you said, your initial reaction of how can anyone love their anxiety? It's like, go follow Emily. Yeah, you're on Instagram is love your anxiety, right? Yeah. Because it is just, you're just she's always smiling. She's always like, just looking at the bright side the It's awesome. I'm curious to win in through that journey and learning to love your anxiety and reading books. Were there other tools or other things that you've used was there, you know, forms of therapy or, you know, we did the mastermind together. That was a little bit more business that, as you say, turns into life. But you know, were there other tools and energy healing, that kind of thing that you found really supported your journey.

Initially, it was just the Shadow Work. But then as I started to branch out and read other books that were supportive of Shadow Work, I read, books by Marianne Williamson are returned to love which another Bible like You know, and then I actually bought A Course in Miracles which returned to love. It's based off the principles of A Course in Miracles. And so I started reading that, and I read so much in my first year and a half. And I had never read books before I hated reading. But when I found something so cliche, you'll like it, when you find something that you read. When I started reading spiritual books, I was not about it, I would have to set timers, I'd be like, I can only read for one hour today. That's it, Emily, that's all you get. Cuz in the beginning, I would love to sit there when I had no clients, I would sit there and I would just like read all day long. But books were incredibly helpful to me. It was a combination of like the Shadow Work, and then also understanding energy around basically opening up your heart and oh, and feminine energy, understanding feminine and masculine energy, understanding a woman's heart, understanding Shadow Work, those three things come to mind right away, because they have been so impactful, and continue to be so impactful in my own healing journey and my everyday life.

So for our listeners, maybe who don't necessarily know as much about feminine, masculine energy, and maybe in context of what you're saying, could you quickly explain that.

So everything on the planet is feminine or masculine energy, it applies to human beings, it applies to languages, it applies to different parts of the planet. And it's not necessarily attached to the gender that you are, you know, some, some males will embody more feminine energy, and some women will embody more masculine energy. It's pretty, pretty rare. But it does happen. So for me, myself, my core essence is feminine energy. And the way that I know that is because I love movement. I love the water, for the masculine energy, they're going to wants to stillness, they're going to love living in the forest, which obviously my husband loves. I love the forest. I know. Yeah, I was like, we can live in the forest. But I need a river, I need a stream, I need something. Yeah. And so it's really important to understand your core essence of energy, whether it be feminine or masculine, because that's going to dictate how much energy you have what you want your surroundings to look like how many hours a day you work, your leisure activity, because my core essence is feminine. I feel it so much in my body, when I spend too much time in my masculine energy, especially for us entrepreneurs, it's so easy to work longer than your body wants to. And so just understanding not to spend too much time on my masculine energy or to be very intentional about it. That also helps me heal my anxiety. And I also teach that inside my program, so it's, it's, it's so important. Oh my gosh,

that's a really good point. How much and masculine and feminine energies play into anxiety and I could imagine I know for me as well, I'm a core feminine energy. person. But when I'm too in my masculine anxiety ramps up, say interesting. Absolutely. Got about for you, Jen. Because Jen, it's interesting. Jen and I, especially as we started working closer together and getting to know each other. She's got more of the masculine energy than I am like, if you look at our kind of friendship and partnership, she's got more masculine, I'm more feminine. But yeah, so I'd be curious Jen, how that how that is for you.

That's interesting. I haven't done a like online quiz or test, I would say, I was definitely brought up with some core masculine energy around the drive. And like both my parents are busy, active people. So it was definitely always an action. I'd say Lately, I've been embracing more feminine energy, although there was a whole period in my 20s where I wear dresses all the time. And it's not, it's not like, but I was, I think I was doing that to embrace that feminine energy because I was so entrenched in the masculine drive. So now actually, ironically, I think I have far fewer addresses. But I still honor that masculine driver that energy, you know, I have a black belt in karate, I ride a motorcycle, but I also have a beautiful blue classic car, and I love more drapery clothing. So it's I've definitely found more of a balance in that I would still say my core essence would lean towards masculine but I've got a good healthy dose balance of the feminine now. Yeah, that's kind of what it does. However, I do notice that Dean's cuz we've talked about human design before as well. And we I Dan and I are both projectors. And so that's where we both have are really like we find our similar energies and we help each other to support each other through that projector piece. And so we're just we're, we're not meant to work the crazy long hours. And I went for years actually getting quite sick. You know, sinusitis three times in six months, and never wanted my doctor say, Did you look at your lifestyle It was more. So the finally the third time I went to the naturopath and then they had the conversation with me about lifestyle like, oh, what do you mean? I can't like party till 2am and then get up at seven and go to university all day. Right? Yeah. And yeah, and even it's funny, I've never really been a huge partier in terms of like consuming alcohol guests. I enjoy it. But it wasn't like I wouldn't say I was I people drink a shitload more than I did. And so it wasn't necessarily just the alcohol piece, it was different definitely like, being busy all the time, not honoring my body's need for rest and replenishment. And especially now as the projector base, I understand. It's like, why would I stay on the computer until 10pm. When I can log off, sit down with a good book, and enjoy myself, like you spoke my language. When you talked about books. I was like, Oh, you have no idea what's like on the little reading table beside me, Jane seen in like 15 different books that I dance in and out of all the time. So

that sounds so divine, as you are so aware of your lifestyle. I think that that's I mean, obviously, in the last 15 months, that's become so important.

I think so many people live in not necessarily denial, but similar to what you experienced earlier on in your life. I'm laying around that living the dream, quote, unquote, or the being living the dream that others have sold to you, and taking that on. And I've would say that that's something that I've never really ascribed to you. I've always ascribed to doing different things. And but how many people have the courage or tenacity to try those different things that they really wish they wanted to do? And as a consequence, they don't try it. So they're denying a part of themselves in their body or their life develops anxiety? Because they're denying that core essence part of themselves. And then yeah, right. So then they go to the doctor, and they're like, Here, take this anxiety medication, but it never says hope doesn't necessarily solve the problem, because they're still denying that part of themselves that seeking expression.

Okay, so we're done here, right? I took your wind out of your sails, I'm sure you have lots more to say, though. That's like, that's, I couldn't have said it better. It's exactly the formula that that so many people falling to. I, it's, it's now that I'm on the other side of the healing journey, or that particular part of my healing journey. It's devastating to watch people suffer. When you know, that there's so many different options for them. And, you know, you're not really who you are, when you're anxious. You're just not, you're the closest to who you are when you're happy. So why when you're feeling good, so how can we get you there? Yeah. Yeah.

So I, I'm curious. So Jen, and I have started talking a fair bit about the concept of radical responsibility or on your ship, we're kind of using those two terms interchangeably. And I feel like that is very applicable to what we're talking about today, to your story to my I've shared about, you know, my story and how I feel that that's been, that's been a big piece of my journey and turning my life around, also, lowering my anxiety. How would you how does that land for you? What does that bring up for you? And how would you assimilate it?

I'm a big fan of personal responsibility. I think there's so much more personal responsibility that can be taken on by individuals on the planet. It's actually a little bit scary when you look at like YouTube comments, or Instagram troll comments. And you're like, Oh, my God, like, no, like, you need to take responsibility for the fact that something just triggers you like that is on you. Like, yeah, one 1000 fucking percent do not come into my living room and tell me that my carpet triggers you and somehow I'm the bad person in this conference. Like that, because that's what's happening, happening. And it's an even scarier conversation about the lack of empathy that people have for each other and you can't have empathy for other people's You don't even have empathy for yourself. And so yeah, when we talk about taking personal responsibility, which I'm a huge fan of, like, radical responsibility. That is what I do for myself. Literally, anything that I manifest in my life. I'm like, good, I did this. Okay. How did I back? Yeah, good. Oh, we're so bad. When that stuff happens. I'm like, Okay, okay, I screwed up. What did I do here? How did I manifest this? And how can it serve me? And how can it help me heal essentially and release fear from my being? So I definitely take radical responsibility for my emotions. And I think even in our romantic relationships, like relieving our partner of being the person who needs to complete us or to make us feel certain Like, Abraham Hicks talks about the fact like you like me, you want to get married, that's cool. I'm happy either way, like you are not responsible for my happiness. And you know, and I think that it's going to become a much bigger conversation around taking responsibility for our emotions.

That is such a big one, right? The the feelings piece and just taking responsibility for our emotions, owning that we're feeling a certain way, and not judging it.

And I'm not really not diffusing that on anybody else. In the sense, then you made me feel this way? No, actually, you're feeling that way for a certain reason. Because something I said triggered something in you or woke or tweaked something in you see your response how your feelings, I'm not responsible for making you feel a certain way. And that's such a huge like, people have. So even some of my clients, I'm like, No, no, no, no, this, this is yours. Most of the clients I work with are for they were but it's it's definitely every once in a while. I'm like,

think about that. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Right, what role do you want to play? I'm sorry, go ahead, Emily. No, continue. That's, I like that. Well, just, it just makes me think of, you know, I know, for a long time, I'd say in my life, I probably chose to play more of a victim, when I look back and start to own that. And, and that's, you know, especially in the last five or so years, finally, some I had that again, that epiphany or that moment, that little bit of a lightbulb that was like, ah, if I actually choose not to play that, or if I choose to own this, then I actually have the power to change it. But if I guess don't take that choice, and I'm handing my power over to others. And bingo, I don't know what the key is for that switch for people. I mean, mine came through my health journey. Right? That was the very first place that I started to see that, okay, I've got these things, I don't feel good. doctors aren't really able to give me any answers or any of the answers that feel good or that I like, you know, other than, hey, here's a prescription that may not work. And so it started that was my intro into it to being like, Oh, it's my body, I'm the one that's going to suffer, no one else is going to really actually not that they're not going to care, but not to the extent that I do. So I need to start taking responsibility for this and continue to seek and and then that kind of like you talked about with you mentioned something earlier with spirituality, how you thought you were doing it for your business, but it actually, you know, I thought I was just doing it for my health. But now it's become my whole life, right? And looking at it, how that plays out in my relationships, how that plays out in my career, how that plays out in my health, all the places. So

yeah. Oh my god. Yes. So I have a question, because we've thrown him on this term spirituality. And Jen and I do talk about this a lot. But what does what does that word mean to you on a day to day basis? So what sort of practices and pieces do you put into place that encompass this, this overall term for spirituality for you?

I, the the feeling and the description that most resonates with me is not only the spirit inside of me, whatever energy is inside of me, also the energy outside of me. And so when I think about like my spirit, or God or source or angels or universe, whatever you like to call it, in my opinion, all the same energy, what is the connection not only to my spirit, but also to the spirit that everyone refers to as universe God source angels, whatever. So that's how that's what resonates with me. I also feel much more connected to the universe source God angels when I think about it that way, because really, there's no place where my spirit ends and someone else starts like consciousness is just one big thing. And so the activities that I you know, participate Dalian that cultivate that spirit, that connection with myself, meditation, oh, man, I love meditation. And I love journaling. And those two for me are the big, big ones that I do five days a week, at least, sometimes life happens, whatever, you know, no judgement. But I really, the time that I sit down to meditate is probably my most sacred time of the day, because I am connecting not only with my highest self, but also with God. I use the word God. And it's such a special time. It's like, yeah, like when we talk about like the heart, my heart totally opens up I can feel it. The second that that happens, there's a physical shift in my body where I can feel it's almost like the carebear like, love, just love it. I love it. That's awesome. I try to I try to connect into that feeling. Um, you know, as much as I can, if I'm dancing while I'm, you know, doing something for work, or, you know, I just want to take whatever a minute to sing my favorite song, before I hop into a call or something like that. It's just getting into that feeling for me that space that it feels good to just feels good. And I deserve to feel good. So yeah, we all deserve

to sharing a little bit about what your meditation practice looks like.

Yes, absolutely. So I have created like a meditation, I like to call it a Zen den. So I like to have, you know, my crystals out and my oils and meditation beads and comfortable pillows, lots of blankets, kind of like a Moroccan vibe, if you will. And I like to, yeah, I just like to put on noise cancelling or sound cancelling headphones, and give myself a you know, I'll max out at 20 minutes, but because it doesn't really take me that long to get through my meditation. But I will just sit there and listen to like spa music or energy healing music. And I just basically repeat my mantras that I live by. And it's fun because when I teach meditation, I teach the girls like, Hey, you don't have to listen to like a guided meditation, if you don't want to like all the things that we're talking about the things that you want to create the healing that you want to experience, say in your meditation, like just, you know, hey, I'm safe. Today, I'm safe in my body, I'm safe to feel my feelings. And everything is gonna work out perfectly for me and everybody involved. And so those are the kinds of things that I say in my meditation. That again, just really opened up my heart and just, it just feels so heavenly. That's what it feels like.

I love it. I love it.

I had a heart opening moment today. Actually, earlier with a client I was working, I use the the medium of music and poetry to work with some of my clients or for voice and expression. And so we've been working through some French poetry, which is this beautiful, gorgeous is such a beautiful lyric language, and especially like lyric diction in French is so flowing. And so we've been doing some fun exercises like imagine your singing through a little tube and all this kind of stuff. Because French is very forward at the front of the mouth. So to bring our broad Anglophone accent and we bring it in. So then today, she's like, I just don't understand the words. I'm like, Okay, well, we'll help you if I sing or speak the words with the song. So I played the song. And then I realized that it was just this piece that moves me on such a deep level. And I just my heart opened and like the tears flowed. And it's a poem by Paul vallon. And the song is called Love, excuse the exquisite hour. And the composer back Renaldo Han. He didn't write too many songs. But he, he has this beautiful way of working with the music. And just the way he sets the song. I'll put our reference to it in the show notes. But it's just this magical moment where they talk the talk about like the moonlight on a on a pond and the stars in the sky. And this this exquisite hour in the middle of the night, you know when nobody's awake. But that heart opening moment was a meditation in and of itself, which I think we all deserve. There's so many different ways to meditate and to find the sacred inside ourselves and allow it to come forth. Because we dampen it down so often.

Yes, society tells us to to deafen that. Yeah, especially as women in their intuition. Oh my God, if another person tells me not to listen my intuition, I'll smack up like, get out of my way. Watch out Emily's coming for you. Yeah, my intuition is coming for you.

We'll make it a party. Just kidding. I don't condone violence. No part of me I do. Exactly. Exactly. That's so funny. Jane, do another question. I always have questions. You do. She's great. I'm

curious about so you work. You have your anxiety Academy. Which maybe before I asked my next question, what I let you share a bit about what that is?

Yeah. So anxiety Academy is the program that I created after working with women one on one, I started to just like, notice some patterns and I was like, okay, after she does this, she's probably gonna feel like this. So we need to address that. So what I started noticing was like writing, I was just writing down like the patterns and stuff like that. And I was like, Okay, we've got like, there's like a 12 step system pretty much that I can take someone through and they will have essentially everything that they need to heal their own anxiety and become their own healer. And and so once I kind of figured that out, I kind of like built my program, like on the fly. I was like, Okay, so this is where that this Okay, we need to make sure that next one, they have this, this and this. And so it came together organically, which I'm so grateful for. And it's not always so annoying when you hear people say that I just came together. And it's like, no, you're actually in alignment. And everything that you've done up until this point has come together in the most perfect way for you. And so I yeah, I put the program together, because helping people one on one, you really actually do a lot of the work and I didn't want to do a lot of the work. And I also just wanted to service a lot more people. And so group as opposed to one on one just works really well.

I just say something about that. Sorry. Because what just popped into my head when you said that, because back to the radical responsibility. You just gave me that little download? Right? Like, you're doing most of the work in one to one then they're not taking? Yeah, ability for their own healing. Sorry. That's Yeah, you're so right.

I never thought about it that way. Yeah. You're so raging. Absolutely. Yeah. So um, yeah. So anyway, so we just I put the program together. And it was like a 12 week thing. And then it turned into like a four month thing. And actually, just in the last launch, we've actually turned it into a forever thing. And so you know, you get to learn the tools and have the support in a really tight community of like, 10, maybe 15 women. And then after that, you go into the community of the rest of the women who have done anxiety Academy and continue your journey there with the same support that we offer in the program. And so it's it's so much fun to watch these women go through the steps, and oh, my God, this is my favorite module. Oh, my God, this is the one that really helped me. And it's just really amazing to see, to see that come together.

So you work with women. I'm curious what your take is on anxiety and men and where that lands? Or if you have any insight on that just more out of curiosity and just a conversation where because anxiety does tend to be something that you hear more about with women, but it's got to affect men.

And it does. It does. I mean, when we think about suffering, I I'm reading a book right now called Four Agreements. And it says in the only reason that humans suffer is because of their own beliefs. And so I believe that women struggle more with anxiety just because right now, I think we live in a society that demands women to spend more time in their masculine energy, their feminine energy has been suppressed for 1000s of years. And so I think keeping up and being the hostess with the mostest, and yeah, I bounce back from my pregnancy in three months, I look totally way better than I did before. Like all of that bullshit that we're fed. I think it really just grinds us down. Because the feminine energy gives zero fucks about that. The feminine energy is just so happy to be here and so happy to love. There is no agenda. She's just going with the flow, like whatever happens. Okay, cool. That's great. But we live in such a masculine dominant society. And and I think that that wears on women more than it does men. And that's a really yeah. Perfect example, that answer.

Perfect example is the recent fine for the Norwegian women's volleyball. For wearing shorts, rather than bikini bottoms.

I was like, what, what? It's 2020 or all the athletes pulling out. It's all women right now. About the mental you

get sent home from high school, if your shoulders are hard, but if you were with the Olympics, they they find you what kind of fuckery is that? Like the question? I get feel this just go and like really?

Three women fired up? Yeah. I feel right at home, by the way. Like we said, we're coming. We're coming for your world Watch out. most loving, compassionate way.

Yes, yes, exactly. But that's what 2020 did. 20 flipped the energy on the planet from masculine to feminine energy and look at the chaos that has ensued. You know, spirituality and healing is not fun. It's not cute. It's not rainbows and butterflies. There's so much destruction and sadness that happens in healing. crumbling, but I which

I think that's an interesting one too, because there is an element where I think some people fear it because of that. I've had I've had people say that to me, like, they feel pulled to it, and they're like, I just, it's just gonna be too painful.

And then you pick your poison. What's more painful for you to live a life that's unfulfilling, and a life that doesn't support you, or, you know, a life where you go for it. I mean, if you don't do in this lifetime, you're gonna have to do it next time. So it's totally up to you.

Yep, and what's, you know, there's the Michael Bernard Beckwith quote, right, the pain will push you until the vision pulls. Pleasure pulls you Thank you. Yeah,

absolutely. Like, it's interesting because I was thinking about a couple I was, like I said, the first six months that we moved into the forests were really hard for me. And I remember watching old videos of me before I had my spiritual awakening. And there was a part of me that really ached for that. In a sense, yeah, being naive, I just I didn't know, I didn't know that my ego was running the show, I didn't know that I was using my body to get attention from men, because I really didn't feel like I was enough. I didn't know all of that. And from the videos, it looks like I'm having a fucking great time. And there's a part of me that was like, wonderful for me like that again. Because once you become aware, you're like, No, you can't do that anymore, Emily, or no, you can't behave that way anymore. And so there is a certain bliss to not knowing right? ignorance isn't bliss, but

there is. Yeah. What the planet? It's so and to feel that unfulfilled feeling? Yeah. Also, oh, so not like it's I am, I think we've probably all been there at certain points. I know, I've been there. And it's also I'm like, I wouldn't take it back. I wouldn't go back there. I wouldn't take the ignorance to feel that that lack of joy and fulfillment,

I think you had an opportunity to thank it for what it was and for what it brought you and then enjoy and really embody the gratitude for where you are now and what it's bringing you and how it's moving the world forward in a new and different way.

Yeah, I agree. I think that we, like the human race is evolving. And it's again, look at what's happening. It's very destructive. It's very painful. It's sad. Yeah, not all of us are gonna make it, we'll just have to continue on for the next lifetime. And I think the healing that really needs to happen is the human being stuck in a fearful mindset, and a fearful way of thinking and moving and transitioning and healing to the point where it's a loving mindset. Can you imagine living in a world where I was like, oh, that happened? That's okay. It's okay. Like, you know, you'll get the next download, and everything will be fine. You're enough. You're lovable, you're safe. Can you imagine living in such a euphoric space? Where fear is not the driver?

The main driver?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think we're trying to get there. I don't know how long it's gonna take. But

I guess we'll wait and see, the faster we come on more of us come online, the faster it'll happen. Yes.

It's true. Is there? And I sense that Jane has another question. But I want to, I want to ask, like, Is there a sort of a key takeaway that you would like to leave our listeners with around this conversation? We share around like the healing, the healing the anxiety piece, yeah,

you are more in control than you know. And all of the pain that you are feeling and all the suffering that you're experiencing is actually trying to point you in the right direction. And the more that you uncover the stories and the spells and the agreements that you never agree to, once you let those go, you will get to be you you will get to be why you're here. There's a reason why you're here and healing has such a beautiful ripple effects that we could never make seem linear. But you know, it's just trying to teach I say that to my students. Your anxiety is just trying to teach you a lesson learn the lesson, anxiety goes away. And once I healed the wound of I'm not enough, bitch Watch out. There's There is nothing more dangerous than a woman who believes in herself and I continuously work on that every day. And, and the idea that we are not safe. Yeah, the idea that we're not safe in our body is absolutely ludicrous. We have been fed it for far too long, and we need to normalize healing. Thank you so much for sharing that. Yeah, it's

an important message. It's super powerful. It's I would love Oh, sorry, Jen. Oh, no, go ahead. No, go ahead. Go. Okay,

I was gonna say change directions. So okay, I'm just gonna wrap up, not wrap up this this like thing before you change direction. But say that, that that really nothing more powerful. It's even more dangerous. It's nothing more powerful and transformative that woman than a woman who owns her power and her integrity and brings out to the world. It's strangers, because it's disruptive. But it's not dangerous because

it's not just because it's sad. To the masculine. Yeah, the masculine energy is incredibly insecure. That's the only reason that they've pushed the feminine energy down for so many 1000s of years. It takes a very strong and courageous man it takes a an integral men To you understand the shift that's happening also women need to take responsibility for not being so toxic. Like, I don't need a man I need a manicure. Mmm, that's so toxic. You know? Like, that's not the solution. Exactly, exactly. And I catch myself sometimes wanting to engage the ego and be very, very, like, yeah, masculine about it, because the feminine energy would never attack. She's no grudge, but sometimes I'm like, Yeah, I am a fucking shit.

I was just going to change the direction to kind of a little bit of play and see Oh, yes. Kind of like to wrap up for the last few minutes here. If you're down to do a little bit of rapid fire type. Question. Yes. What do you think Jen? Oh, yeah, let's do it. I just know Emily's got good you have in front of you. Okay. One of the other things and Jen alluded to this a little bit of her inner rebel stuff. With her motorcycle and her black belt. How would you say your inner rebel expresses itself family

by not giving a shit? By being very unapologetic? Yeah, by being very unapologetic. I don't need your permission, but get the fuck out of my way. That's my rebel. Awesome. Love it.

Okay, text or talk? Like phone or texts.

The old me would say text. The new me says talk because it's all about connection and spending quality time together. Nice.

Cool. Planes, Trains or automobiles?

Or planes. Oh, yeah. Get me up. 35,000 feet. I love it.

Nice. What's your favorite way to lift your mood

meditation or just putting on a really good song? Beautiful. Okay, last one. Consciousness is a vibe and energy. And as you say that to me, I can feel like full body goose by

name thing.

Yeah, it's an energy and we're all we're all tapped in. It's almost like the Oh, god, I'm gonna scoot No, not Star Trek. When they talk about the Borg. I stated a nerd for a little bit. Yeah. Before and how everything like literally all of the drones are connected into that. Unit unit. Unit. Yeah. And I think we're all connected. And there's like I said before, there's nowhere where your consciousness stops and minds starts. We're all the same. And it's interesting how we can't really quantify it, the human part of us wants to quantify it and make it linear, and just so but when we let go of that, it's like,

kind of magical to me about that the fact that we can't, by the fact that we can't, but yet our bodies can get goosebumps or certain things or you can feel energy move through when you get to that place of being that in touch with yourself and recognizing that that's what it is fucking magical.

I think that the mind wants to quantify it, but the rest of us knows that it can't be. And so we just have to come to that level of acceptance that that can't be quantified it is what it is. It's like having the knowing when you have that knowing and you can't, quote unquote, justify it because your mind wants to justify it, or somebody else is looking for that justification. And it's simply the knowing the gift, not the sight, whatever you call it. Amazing. Go ahead.

So Emily was a really Oh, yeah, go ahead. Oh, so

I was just gonna say, there's a really good book called the way of the interior, the intuitive way by Penny Pierce. And she talks about the knowing and she talks about how the masculine energy wants to quantify and wants to say, Well, why do you think that or why, you know, it's, it's to the masculine energy, it's not good enough to just go off that feeling. But, and I was met with that a ton. When I started my business, I like quit my job and had no idea how I was gonna make money. I was like, I just got to do this. And so many humans in my life, were like, You're crazy. You should really think about this. And I was like, nope, got it. It's a feeling. I'm fine. And turns out, I was fine. So yeah, it's just it's an interesting use of consciousness and the intuitive sense that women have,

Yes, totally similar. Absolutely. My story here. So where can people find you, Emily, they want to learn more about what you do and how to work with

the best place to find me is probably my website. Just Emily Clark, calm.

And at me with an IE, right? Yeah, it is the French Way. And Clark has an Eon it as well, I believe.

Yes. Yeah. Okay. And, yeah, so then you can find me there. And from there, you can find all of my social media links and communities and podcasts and stuff like that.

And we will link all that up in our show notes. Yes. Yeah. That'll be and your anxiety Academy. Is that open? How does that work for people?

Yes, so we take it in students typically every four months. We Keep it in a tight group of 10 to 15 women. And I teach you step by step how to heal your anxiety the way that I did, and the route and you also get support along the way. So you don't have to do it on your own. We have calls and support and so yeah, it's a beautiful community women healing event that happens every four months. So

awesome. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Emily. It's been so delightful to have you joining Jane and I for this beautiful conscious conversation competence Convo. And I look forward to having you as a guest sometime again in the future. I think it'd be really great to pick up this conversation and we can

go into for sure. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, ladies. Thank you much. Thanks.

Have an awesome day, everybody.

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