Shownotes
John and Kaylee sit down with Alan, VP of Public Relations and Brand Management at GunBroker, for a tour through the guns that Hollywood turned into legends and the real-world market that forms around them. GunBroker is a broker, not a maker or a seller. As Alan puts it, the company connects the buyer and seller, which means staggering inventory passes through the site, from commodity Glock 19s, P320s, M&Ps, and Mossberg 500s to weird, obscure pieces that stop the office gun geeks in their tracks. Alan also shares a few buyer tips, including that auctions closing on Tuesdays often go a little undervalue, and penny auctions are worth a look.
The conversation digs into how movies move the market. John Wick guns like the Taran Tactical builds go for staggering amounts, and Alan walks through the icons: the Bren 10 carried by Sonny Crockett in Miami Vice (the Crockett Cooper effect), the MP5 from Die Hard and the SAS embassy raid, the Beretta 92 from Die Hard and Lethal Weapon (same armorer, same guns, even matching serial numbers in some shots), and the Desert Eagle from the Vinnie Jones Snatch line. For sheer impact, Alan argues Dirty Harry and the Smith & Wesson Model 29 win. The gun was about to come out of the catalog and nobody wanted it, then within roughly an 18-month span it went to multiple-year backordered. As Alan puts it, that movie kind of saved an entire product line.
The back half turns serious. Alan and the hosts cover the COVID rush on firearms, when GunBroker was often the only place with inventory and some shops told the company they wouldn't be open today without it. They get into common myths, that you can't buy a gun online and that it ships straight to your door, both untrue, since every purchase still routes through an FFL dealer who knows local law. GunBroker also stays on top of sellers who try to fake-bid their own items. The episode closes on Second Amendment politics: why an executive order is only as good as that administration, why the 60-vote threshold matters, and why the midterms can't be ignored after a presidential year. Alan and Kaylee land on the same point, that the giant group in the middle is where the fight is won.
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Questions this episode answers
What does GunBroker actually do, and why does Alan describe it as a broker rather than a store?
GunBroker neither makes nor sells firearms; it connects buyers and sellers, which is why Alan calls it a broker. That model means a huge range of inventory passes through the site, from commodity pistols like the Glock 19, P320, and M&P to rare, obscure pieces.
How did the movie Dirty Harry change the market for the Smith & Wesson Model 29?
Alan argues Dirty Harry had the biggest market impact of any movie gun. The Model 29 was about to be dropped from the catalog with nobody wanting it, then within roughly 18 months it went to multiple-year backordered, which Alan says essentially saved the product line.
Why do John Wick guns and other movie-used firearms sell for such high prices on GunBroker?
Films turn ordinary guns into icons, and that pop-culture demand follows them to the market. John Wick builds like the Taran Tactical pistols sell for staggering amounts, the same effect that surrounded the Bren 10 from Miami Vice and the Desert Eagle from Snatch.
What are the biggest myths about buying a gun on GunBroker, and how does the FFL transfer process really work?
The two common myths are that you cannot buy a gun online and that it ships straight to your door, and both are untrue. Every purchase routes through a licensed FFL dealer who handles the transfer and knows local law.
Does GunBroker stop sellers from bidding up their own auctions?
Yes. GunBroker actively monitors and acts on sellers who try to fake-bid their own listings, which protects both buyers and honest sellers on the platform.
What happened to GunBroker and firearms demand during COVID?
Demand surged and GunBroker was often the only place with inventory in stock. Alan says a number of shops told the company they would not still be open today if it had not been for GunBroker.
What buyer tips does Alan share for finding undervalued auctions?
Alan points buyers toward auctions that close on Tuesdays, which he says often go a little under value, and he suggests keeping an eye on penny auctions as well.
Why do Alan and the hosts say executive orders aren't enough, and why do the midterms matter for the Second Amendment?
An executive order is only as good as the administration that issued it, so lasting Second Amendment protection requires laws passed through Congress, where the 60-vote threshold matters. They argue the midterms can't be ignored, because the large group in the middle is where the fight is won.
Chapters
- 00:00 — Meet Alan from GunBroker
- 01:10 — What Alan does and the inventory he sees
- 03:10 — Rapid fire: EDC, coffee, greatest inventor
- 07:30 — Being on the auction side of the industry
- 09:59 — The Bren 10 and the Crockett Cooper effect
- 11:00 — John Wick and movie guns that move the market
- 12:32 — Most impactful movie guns: Dirty Harry's Model 29
- 16:32 — Classic top sellers and the Indiana Jones revolver
- 18:01 — Hollywood, pop culture, and the 2A message
- 24:14 — Soapbox: myths about buying on GunBroker
- 25:46 — Fake bids and protecting buyers and sellers
- 28:41 — The COVID rush on firearms
- 36:56 — Executive orders vs. passing real laws
- 37:35 — Why the midterms matter
- 44:28 — Where to find Alan and GunBroker
About the guest
Alan is Vice President of Public Relations and Brand Management at GunBroker. Before joining GunBroker he worked as a PR professional at a marketing agency. He co-hosts GunBroker's "No Lowballers" podcast alongside Logan Medish. He describes himself as a gun nerd whose saved searches include the Bren 10 and the AutoMag.
Key quotes
"we don't make anything. We don't even sell anything. We're a broker. We connect the buyer and seller." — Alan
"So that movie kind of saved an entire product line. So it's kind of hard to argue that impact." — Alan
"with COVID we've had a number of shops tell us that they wouldn't be open today if it hadn't been for Gunbroker." — Alan
"without the actual laws passed and the bills either enacted or laws taken off the books, an EO is only as good as that administration." — Alan
"now is not the time for apathy. Now is the time to make your voices heard and to really continue the momentum." — Kaylee
Transcripts
Welcome to Goa State of the second podcast.
Speaker A:I'm your host, Kayleigh.
Speaker B:And I am John.
Speaker B:And today we're joined by Alan from Gunbroker, which is awesome because Gunbroker is one of my favorite sites that I peruse almost daily, which has caused issues on multiple levels, but is also amazing.
Speaker C:You want to know the secret?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:When you get a job there and your significant other catches you on the site, you're just working late, you're doing market research, you're.
Speaker C:You're testing new functions, you can get away with that for a good three or four months before they start to catch on.
Speaker B:This is how bad it is.
Speaker B:A friend of ours has a podcast they call.
Speaker B:They call it Gunfights.
Speaker C:They.
Speaker B:They pick auctions from Gun Broker to see if you can get the closest price to it.
Speaker B:It's all whole point of their game,.
Speaker C:Price is right for guns.
Speaker C:I dig it.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:I've gotten 90% of them right.
Speaker B:And they, like, question my life and I go, I spend way too much time on Gun Broker.
Speaker C:I thought you're using the pricing tool and cheating.
Speaker B:Oh, no, no.
Speaker B:There's no cheating allowed.
Speaker B:You just.
Speaker B:I just figured out.
Speaker C:I didn't mean to besmirch your honor.
Speaker B:Yeah, don't besmirch my honor.
Speaker B:How dare you.
Speaker B:So, Alan, go ahead and tell people, the folks, what you do at Gunbroker.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:Vice president of public relations, brand management.
Speaker C:So that means I get to do the fun stuff, get to tell all the great stories, both of you know, the cool stuff we're doing, but also the really, really cool stuff that people buy off the site.
Speaker C:You know, there's obviously some really cool collectibles they pick up, but, you know, we have people stopping in shows all the time and say, hey, I found a rifle just like my granddad used to have.
Speaker C:It's the same model and everything, and it's really cool.
Speaker C:I've got that connection.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I get to.
Speaker C:I get to have a lot of fun and have an excuse to play around Gunbroker.
Speaker B:It's always a good excuse to play around in Gunbroker.
Speaker B:I don't think there's a bad excuse to play around in Gun Broker.
Speaker C:No.
Speaker C:You know, I had one of our guys, we asked him for some tips to share with people how to, you know, be successful, find great values.
Speaker C:And he gave me some great ideas.
Speaker C:And I'm like, well, I. I can't tell people this unless I know it's true.
Speaker C: inch model: Speaker C:Dave was right.
Speaker C:It's on record.
Speaker C:Dave was right.
Speaker B:Well, Dave, you were right.
Speaker B:And now I need to find your tips and tricks on how to find things on gunbroker Kayleigh.
Speaker B:Like most Americans.
Speaker B:You have a savings account, right?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker B:Do you have an ammo savings account?
Speaker A:I also do.
Speaker B:And is that through Ammo Squared?
Speaker A:It is, and I've had it for over two years.
Speaker B:Ammo Squared is the only website where you can purchase ammo a little bit at a time and then get it shipped directly to your door.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I have a little bit of money that goes in every month, and then I can divide what percentage of that money is used for what calibers of ammo, and then all of a sudden I hit a thousand rounds and it gets shipped to my door.
Speaker B:Well, what if I don't want one of the 70 calibers they have available?
Speaker A:You get to pick and choose and you can even adjust them out so that you can hit your target goals faster.
Speaker B:Well, what if I don't want that ammo anymore?
Speaker B:Can I switch it?
Speaker B:Can I get my money back?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:It's really easy.
Speaker A:And I always like to see the graph fill up at the end of every month.
Speaker B:So where do I go to get such an awesome service?
Speaker A:Go to Ammo squared dot com.
Speaker B:Get it.
Speaker B:Now start your ammo savings account@ Ammo squared.com.
Speaker B:Let's go ahead and go into our first segment, which is rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:We're going to ask you five questions.
Speaker B:You can answer them as slowly or as quickly as you'd like.
Speaker B:So the first question I have is, what is your go to edc?
Speaker C:You know, I am boring, boring, boring, boring.
Speaker C:When it comes to EDCs.
Speaker C:I've got a couple of standards.
Speaker C:I want something that, you know, common caliber, that my Montana rules.
Speaker C:You can walk into a hardware store in Montana and buy ammo for it if you need to.
Speaker C:I want something with a lot of holster selection.
Speaker C:I want something that people make a lot of both replacement and upgrade parts for.
Speaker C:So, you know, if they made a gun that came in a white box that just said carry gun with a barcode, I'd probably buy that.
Speaker C:As it is, it's a Glock 19.
Speaker C:I mean, it's the.
Speaker C:You look up carry gun on the Internet until we get to the summer and it's hot and short season.
Speaker C:Then, you know, then the next most common generic carry gun, the SIG P365, goes to a pocket holster and then.
Speaker B:In the pocket so generic guns.
Speaker B:So if you're out there listening and you want Alan to buy your gun, just make generic gun, white box barcode, we're good to go.
Speaker C:I mean, I. I'm a sucker for good marketing.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker A:So the next question that we have is, what is your most watched content creator?
Speaker C:So that's a tough one to answer because obviously on my gig and before this, I was a PR guy at a marketing agency, so I watched all of them trying to find who's really doing a great job, who's.
Speaker C:Maybe not quite someone we might want to work with, who's new on the scene, but probably.
Speaker C:And this is, this is sad, but the most common content creator watches outside our space.
Speaker C:You know, you need a little palette cleanser, and it's down the UFO rabbit hole podcast,.
Speaker B:So we don't even need to ask if the railings are real questions.
Speaker C:Well, I'm trying.
Speaker C:I'm trying to figure it out.
Speaker B:Yeah, you got to figure it out.
Speaker B:So coffee.
Speaker B:Everybody drinks coffee.
Speaker B:Or almost every.
Speaker B:We found out some people don't.
Speaker B:Some.
Speaker B:So how do you take your coffee?
Speaker C:I like my coffee like I like my heart.
Speaker C:Hot and black.
Speaker B:Got it.
Speaker B:Join the club.
Speaker A:All right, and what's your last impulse buy?
Speaker C:Well, see, that's the thing about me.
Speaker C:Almost everything I buy is an impulse buy, so it's hard to narrow that one down.
Speaker C:Gosh, impulse buy.
Speaker C:I was actually trying to think about that because I've seen you ask that question before and I really don't remember.
Speaker C:I don't plan very well, as my wife will attest.
Speaker C:So a lot of times, like, ooh, shiny, Alan Wanty.
Speaker C:And then it just comes home.
Speaker C:So I don't really know.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:All right, who is the greatest gun inventor of all time?
Speaker C:The greatest gun inventor of all time?
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Well, I mean, listen, if I don't say St. John Moses Browning, lightning's going to strike me.
Speaker C:But, I mean, it's the obvious answer, but for a reason.
Speaker C:Design still working.
Speaker C:Hundreds of years later, every.
Speaker C:Almost every semi automatic handgun on the market still has some of his features baked into it.
Speaker C:Look at his list.
Speaker C: I mean, at the: Speaker C:I mean, the.
Speaker C:The high power.
Speaker C:You know, there's.
Speaker C:It's kind of hard to argue.
Speaker B:I was about to chastise you that you didn't say the high power.
Speaker B:Listen, that is my favorite gun of all time.
Speaker B:And if you didn't say it, I would have maybe walked away.
Speaker C: ave come up with some obscure: Speaker C:As I learned about this week, a magazine fed revolver.
Speaker B:Yeah, it was a thing.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, briefly.
Speaker C:Yeah, real briefly.
Speaker C:But yeah, again, I'm a man of the people.
Speaker C:I love me some Browning.
Speaker B:You are a man of everybody.
Speaker B:Browning is the, the only answer.
Speaker B:The correct answer.
Speaker C:You know, it's kind of like one of those questions, you know, who's the.
Speaker C:Or what's the greatest ice cream flavor?
Speaker C:It's, you know, chocolate.
Speaker C:Obviously, everybody answers.
Speaker C:So there's just some things you.
Speaker C:You can't.
Speaker C:Well, if you're going to argue it, you better have a really good position to.
Speaker C:And I don't have a good position to argue against John Browning.
Speaker B:So that is rapid fire questions.
Speaker B:Let's go.
Speaker B:Yeah, you pass.
Speaker B:Flying colors.
Speaker B:You get an A for effort or a B, depending on who you talk to.
Speaker B:So we're going to go in.
Speaker B:So you do PR over at Gunbroker.
Speaker B:Gunbrokers, this big auction site.
Speaker B:People love it or hate it or whatever.
Speaker B:So what is it like to be in the firearms industry in an adjacent, kind of different thing?
Speaker B:Because we have never had somebody who talks about auctions before.
Speaker C:You know, it's.
Speaker C:For me, it's a big breath of fresh air.
Speaker C:Like, I came from the agency side, so I had my brands and everyone else could kind of go to hell because my brands were the best.
Speaker C:And, you know, I have.
Speaker C:If you're.
Speaker C:If you need an optic, I've got the best one for you.
Speaker C:Handgun.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:There's only one company to look at.
Speaker C:And you know, at Gunbroker, we're, as our CEO likes to say, we're agnostic, As I like to say, we're Switzerland.
Speaker C:We love everybody.
Speaker C:You know, certainly we're known for the auctions.
Speaker C:But, you know, we can buy it now straight out the site if you want.
Speaker C:You can make an offer.
Speaker C:Really, there's a bunch of different ways you can get the guns through the site.
Speaker C:And what's really exciting is, you know, we don't make anything.
Speaker C:We don't even sell anything.
Speaker C:We're a broker.
Speaker C:We connect the buyer and seller.
Speaker C:So we see crazy inventory all the time.
Speaker C:You know, we have a ton of what I call the commodity guns.
Speaker C:Glock 19s, P320s, M&Ps.
Speaker C:Mossberg 500s.
Speaker C:You know, we see a lot of those, obviously, but sometimes we get some stuff through there that just makes you stop in your tracks.
Speaker C:And, you know, there's a little group like, everyone's got their Slack channel or their team's channel, and we've got our gun geeks.
Speaker C:And did you guys see this?
Speaker C:I want this so bad.
Speaker C:And it's just some weird, bizarre, obscure thing that comes up on there.
Speaker C:And, yeah, you never know what you're going to see.
Speaker B:Yeah, we recently had the hand of God come through you guys, which was one of those cool, beautiful gun.
Speaker B:I'm with you.
Speaker B:I'm a gun nerd.
Speaker B:And so my top searched auctions on gunbroker right now are Walther PPK, which is always on Go Burger Bren 10 because I can't get one, and they're stupid expensive.
Speaker C:You and I are gonna be bidding against one someday.
Speaker C:That's one of my save searches as well.
Speaker B:And then just.
Speaker B:I just search from lowest to highest and go, okay, well, that's cheap.
Speaker B:Oh, no now anymore.
Speaker C:So, all right, so Tuesdays, usually the day that things go a little undervalue.
Speaker C:So auctions that close on Tuesday, phrase penny auctions.
Speaker C:A good one to look for, too.
Speaker C:Usually some good deals to be found in that.
Speaker C:And I'll share Brent 10 with you, but stay out of the automag.
Speaker C:Okay?
Speaker C:That.
Speaker C:That's my search.
Speaker C:I want to stay in the automag.
Speaker B:You can keep the auto.
Speaker B:I love the automag, but you can keep it.
Speaker B:I mean, Bren 10.
Speaker B:I don't know what the lore is, but everybody loves the Bren 10 anymore,.
Speaker C:The mythos around the gun.
Speaker C:I mean, first of all, Colonel Jeff Cooper is associated with the gun.
Speaker C:You know, had a hand in developing it.
Speaker C:So, I mean, that right there is, you know, kind of touched by God.
Speaker C:Then you throw in, you know, Detective Sonny Crockett and all the Miami Vice pop culture that goes with it.
Speaker C:It's just a.
Speaker C:You know, the gun itself is.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's a very nice 10 millimeter.
Speaker C:Obviously, it didn't stay in production for some reasons, you know, magazines mainly.
Speaker C:But there's just something about it that's super cool and, you know, it's the Crockett Cooper effect.
Speaker B:If you're out there listening and you are a manufacturer, please bring back the Bren 10 somewhere.
Speaker C:Or at least stop teasing us.
Speaker C:That you're going to bring it back.
Speaker C:Yes, that about every three or four years, it'll come up.
Speaker C:Oh, so and so company is, you know, preparing to launch a Bren 10 reboot, and then nothing happens.
Speaker C:So just stop teasing us.
Speaker B:Yeah, don't be weird and tease us.
Speaker B:How dare you?
Speaker A:So we've talked about the hand of God Obviously there's a huge cultural significance in the United States when it comes to firearms.
Speaker A:You kind of get to play in that pop culture space all the time with the vast majority of guns that kind of come through your sight.
Speaker A:Are there any really big, big standouts for you where you're like, this was the icon of this season for guns or this movie or that you're like, kind of stops you in your tracks?
Speaker C:I mean, it.
Speaker C:John Wick, obviously, you know, you can always tell what, what movie someone's just watched, whether it's the.
Speaker C:The Terran tactical, you know, pit vipers, or if it's moved into the staccato versions.
Speaker C:You know, we see some of the Taran did some kits for some of the dealers.
Speaker C:I mean, it's a chest, gold coins, a couple of.
Speaker C:I think sand vipers might be pit vipers.
Speaker C:I don't remember the rifle.
Speaker C:You know, the AR15 and I mean, those just go for staggering amounts.
Speaker C:You know, we do articles every month on the most expensive things that sold the month previous.
Speaker C:And between Colt Snake Eyes sets and the John Wick chests, I mean, there's always at least one on there.
Speaker C:So, you know, that's probably the big dog right now.
Speaker C:I'm sure Ballerina will have something in it as well.
Speaker C:You know, Chad and his crew over there are gun people.
Speaker C:They're gun nerds.
Speaker C:I mean, oddly shocking.
Speaker C:A former stunt guy is a gun nerd.
Speaker C:Who'd have thought?
Speaker C:So I'm sure we'll see some impact on that one.
Speaker C:But there's still some classics that pop up around Christmas.
Speaker C:When diehard gets going.
Speaker C:You can expect a few Steyr Augs to kind of start popping up in price a little bit.
Speaker C:Trying to think of some others off the top of my head, but that's definitely a big one.
Speaker B:What movie do you think had the biggest impact besides John Wick?
Speaker B:Because we all know the Wick guns go for crazy money.
Speaker B:I'm going to take a stab at a couple.
Speaker B:I'm going to get your opinion.
Speaker B:The heat gun.
Speaker C:The heat gun.
Speaker C:The use of them in that movie was fantastic.
Speaker C:I mean, the gunplay.
Speaker C:I mean, again, it's a Michael Mann movie, so it's going to be good.
Speaker C:But with the exception of the FN that Al Pacino uses, the rest are kind of, you know, kind of run of the mill basic guns.
Speaker C:Nothing really extraordinary in there.
Speaker C:But you know, of course the FN is really hard to get too, so that makes it a little more intriguing.
Speaker B:You brought up Die Hard, so I'm guessing the HKS.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:I mean, well, the MP5.
Speaker C:I mean, you've got Die Hard, but you've got the association with the sas and you know, the iconic storming of the embassy with the big mag lights duct taped to them.
Speaker C:Navy Seals, the movie.
Speaker C:Navy Seals, the TV shows.
Speaker C:Every bad guy in the 80s carried an MP5.
Speaker B:I was thinking more of the P7 too.
Speaker C:Again, in the 80s the bad guy would have a P7 these days.
Speaker C:I was just talking about this with Mike Helms over at the Smith and Wesson Collectors Association.
Speaker C:You can tell who the bad guy in the movie is because he'll have a Jericho.
Speaker C:Yes, there's just something about that that screams Eastern European financial terrorist.
Speaker C:If they ever remake Die Hard, please, please don't remake I Die Hard.
Speaker C:Hans Gruber will have a Jericho this time around.
Speaker B:I have 75.
Speaker B:No Jericho.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Iwa just something.
Speaker C:It's something about the look.
Speaker B:It is.
Speaker B:All right, let's see what else there's.
Speaker B:I mean, you got Die Hard and lethal weapon with the 92.
Speaker C:And yeah, by hard, lethal weapon.
Speaker C:There was a third one that I just forgot.
Speaker C:But.
Speaker C:And of course, you know the cool fact on that is because it was the same armorer company that's actually.
Speaker C:Those are same, same guns.
Speaker C:Yeah, John McLean and Riggs carried the same.
Speaker C:Same.
Speaker C:Even the serial number in some of the shots.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker C:So it's very famous.
Speaker C:Very famous.
Speaker C:92.
Speaker B:Now the one that makes me laugh is everybody thinks Walker, Texas Ranger carried an i2.
Speaker B:It wasn't a 92 Taurus, it was a Taurus.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:See, we're going nerding out.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:Kaylee knew what I had in the conversation.
Speaker C:I think you missed two though.
Speaker B:I missed two?
Speaker C:Okay, I'm going to say the Matrix and the 50 Cal Desert Eagle.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker C:Although was it lock, stock and smoking barrels or was it Snatch where Vinnie Jones has the classic line of.
Speaker C:The difference between your gun and mine is yours says Replica on the side and mine says Desert Eagle 50.
Speaker C:I forget which one of the two it was, but that was a big deal for that.
Speaker C:But if the question is which do I think had the most impact?
Speaker C:You gotta go Dirty Harry in the Model 29.
Speaker C:Because first of all, that gun was about to come out of the catalog.
Speaker C:Smith couldn't give them away.
Speaker C:Nobody really wanted him.
Speaker C:And then within like a 18 month span they went from do we really want to keep making this?
Speaker C:To we're multiple year backordered.
Speaker C:Especially that the long barrel version, the six inch did pretty good.
Speaker C:But the eight and Three eighths really did.
Speaker C:So that movie kind of saved an entire product line.
Speaker C:So it's kind of hard to argue that impact.
Speaker B:Where did the bag.
Speaker B:Oh, the bad guy carried a P38.
Speaker C:Got a P38.
Speaker C:Yep.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker B:I mean, those movies are iconic.
Speaker B:What do you as as being an auction site, you know, what else besides just movie guns do you think are some of the top sellers?
Speaker B:I'm guessing them one grand and one.
Speaker C:Grand is usually up there.
Speaker C:Thompson's both NFA and semi autos do pretty good.
Speaker C:And you know, you can't have a conversation without talking about the Colt single action.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's just.
Speaker C:I mean, the gun that won the west, which.
Speaker C:Yes, I know that's also the Winchester 73, but you know, the Peacemaker is.
Speaker C:It's Americ and a handgun, you know, it's the iconic look.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:The one auction that I've seen pop up multiple times on Gunbroker.
Speaker B:I don't think the gun has ever sold.
Speaker B:Or maybe it has, but the Indiana Jones revolver was up a couple times.
Speaker C:Yeah, he's a frequent flyer.
Speaker C:We see it about every three or four years.
Speaker C:These are actually really rare.
Speaker C:It's the actual movie used gun.
Speaker C:And the reason those are rare is usually studios don't sell off the working even the blank guns that way because just liability issues.
Speaker C:You know, imagine the headline if someone gets hurt and it's, you know, the actual gun from so and so movie.
Speaker C:So the fact that that make it made it out into the market with all the provenance it has is kind of staggering.
Speaker C:What's also staggering is he always starts at around $5 million.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker C:And let's remember, I think the most expensive gun movie gun ever sold, I think was a C96 Broomhandle Mauser that they converted into a DL54 heavy or 44 heavy blaster, because I'm that big of a nerd.
Speaker C:Carried by Han Solo.
Speaker C:So apparently if you want a really expensive movie gun, you got to have Harrison Ford handle it.
Speaker B:I may know where you can find that gun.
Speaker B:May know it has maybe made it into the studio at one time.
Speaker C:So.
Speaker C:And that was wasn't around 2 million.
Speaker B:Or just something like that.
Speaker C:So the most expensive is two, and this guy's looking for five.
Speaker C:But, you know, it's.
Speaker C:What's the old joke about the little girl selling lemonade and the guy comes up to buy some and he goes, how much is a cup?
Speaker C:She goes, $25,000.
Speaker C:And he goes, you're never gonna sell any.
Speaker C:She goes, ah, I only Gotta sell one.
Speaker C:So if he gets one buyer, hey, good to go.
Speaker A:What's so great is we kind of get to live those cultural significant moments.
Speaker A:And because so much of our culture plays into politics, plays into people either finding guns incredibly dangerous and no one should have them, or what allows people to protect themselves and their family like that messaging plays so much into the fight that we have to protect the second amendment.
Speaker A:And so it's really awesome to see those guns go up for auction so that we get that nostalgic moment, but also to hopefully spur on the creation of more films that they might not necessarily make to be pro gun, but re solidify our message of you have a gun to protect yourself and your family.
Speaker A:And it's, and it's vitally important.
Speaker C:Well, and that's the irony.
Speaker C:You know, we know that in general, decision makers in Hollywood tend to lean a little more liberal.
Speaker C:I mean, it's the creative folks, it's just the natural thing.
Speaker C:And if you are a, either conservative minded or a gun enthusiast in Hollywood, you kind of got to keep quiet about that.
Speaker C:But they have no problem, you know, making these big action movies and the big shootout movies.
Speaker C:Why?
Speaker C:Because the population as a whole still enjoys that.
Speaker C:And yet to your point, you know, getting your hands on, you know, say a Terran tactical mpx like, just like John Wick has, you know, it really makes it more personal.
Speaker C:It's like, oh, this is, this is a fun gun.
Speaker C:You know, I don't have to be a, you know, deep super secret major assassin to use this.
Speaker C:There's just 9 millimeter carbine.
Speaker C:This is fun.
Speaker C:So, yeah, I agree.
Speaker C:I think, and I think that tide is starting to turn.
Speaker C:I was talking to Ryan Gresham from Gun Talk Media the other day and he pointed out he's, he's seeing a few more, you know, the celebrity status folks kind of coming out a little bit.
Speaker C:You know, we've, we've always noticed some closeted, both, you know, actors and sports celebrities and everyone else who love to shoot, but for, you know, their, their agents kind of keep telling to keep it quiet.
Speaker C:And we're starting to see a little bit of that starting to fade and people are being a little bit more open about it.
Speaker C:So, you know, I, I think people have, you know, had enough of celebrities trying to tell them how to live their lives and how to vote and it's kind of swinging back to what Americans as a whole want.
Speaker C:And you know, as we know that's, that's typically a pro 2A leaning.
Speaker A:I completely agree with that because one of the things that is, has seemed to shift culturally is for so long we've heard silent majority, silent majority, but no one really the squeaky wheel gets the oil, right?
Speaker C:Always.
Speaker A:And, and so as we have decided as a culture, as we've decided as second amendment advocates, as more people have, not that this is only us, but as more people have joined GOA and gotten involved and you make your voices heard, well now you're going to be able to impact at a greater rate.
Speaker A:Because you know, we want to talk about the restoration of the second Amendment.
Speaker A:We want to be on the offensive and get to win battles like constitutional carry and battles in the court and battles at the federal level.
Speaker A:But if no one is pushing, if the momentum isn't on our side because we're not talking about it and we as individuals are not taking that next step, well, you're not going to get anywhere.
Speaker A:And so I think that's one of the greatest things that we're seeing is more and more people being okay with speaking out.
Speaker A:We see more and more people being okay with, with taking people to the range for the first time and inviting their friends that might not be pro gun, but just saying, hey, I think you need to understand this before you make a decision.
Speaker A:And then I think that is why you're seeing this groundswell of people becoming first time gun owners.
Speaker C:And I think a lot of that is due to the work that the GOA and others like you are doing, you know, as people kind of in that middle ground.
Speaker C:And let's face it, the gun issue is always very extreme, one side or the other, and both of us are the smaller bits of the pie.
Speaker C:It's that giant group in the middle that frankly the other side has kind of controlled the PR message on.
Speaker C:They may not have an opinion on it, but the one thing that they've heard most recent is a bad thing.
Speaker C:They've heard messaging from groups that I'm not going to give attention to right now.
Speaker C:So they think that must be the fact, the actuality.
Speaker C:And now that we're seeing more visible messaging from some of the advocacy groups, but also court wins and court cases that are coming down in the right way, people aren't feeling quite as targeted about it.
Speaker C:So you know, before it's like, you know, I could speak up, you know, at the office where they're over here talking about this gun issue, but you know, I'm, I'm probably going to start a, you know, a conflict or at least tension.
Speaker C:I don't want to do that.
Speaker C:Where, you know, now as court cases are coming down the right way and laws are being changed and executive orders are being erased and people are feeling a little bit more, that neutral middle pool are feeling a little bit more positive about it.
Speaker C:You feel more inclined to want to get into that conversation, maybe dispel some of the myths and rumors, invite someone out to the range.
Speaker C:So I think it's a combination of two things.
Speaker C:Obviously the big paradigm shift we had to the pro gun side over the last decade or so is kind of that pendulum's coming back and having victories just feels good to have.
Speaker C:It's been a while.
Speaker C:I mean, it obviously kind of started with Heller, but we've kind of been ticking them off the last couple of years.
Speaker C:That just helps people feel a little bit more comfortable talking about it.
Speaker C:It's easy to talk when you're on the winning team.
Speaker C:If you just lost, you don't really want to stand up and say, hey, I supported the losing side.
Speaker C:Where if you're winning, it's a little easier.
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Speaker A:It is now time for our next segment which is from the Soapbox where we tackle the spiciest of of topics.
Speaker A:So I want to get into some of the myths that people have about and misconceptions that they have about using gunbroker.
Speaker C:Sure.
Speaker C:I mean the first one, which is still kind of hard to think about, we've been doing this now, well, 26 years, is that you can't purchase gun online.
Speaker C:And you know that's not true.
Speaker C:Now they also, the other side of that coin is people think if you buy it online, we're going to ship it right to your door.
Speaker C:And which also isn't true.
Speaker C:You know, just like anything else, you know, if you special order from a gun shop, it's got to be shipped to a shop and transferred through an FFL dealer and all the appropriate laws and paperwork followed.
Speaker C:But there's absolutely nothing against purchasing off of Gunbroker, or really, all you're doing is buying from a gun shop somewhere else and having them ship it to your gun shop.
Speaker C:At the core of it, that's all that's happening, whether or not you found it on gunbroker or, you know, classified ad or your buddy says, hey, I'm standing in a shop here in Pittsburgh, and he's got a Brent 10 you've been looking for.
Speaker C:Dude, you need to order it.
Speaker C:And you're in Arizona.
Speaker C:You're like, all right, give me the name of the shop, dude, I want it.
Speaker C:I'll send you.
Speaker C:Send you the payment.
Speaker C:Ship it.
Speaker C:Here's my.
Speaker C:My dealer's ffl.
Speaker C:It's the same thing.
Speaker C:So that's probably the biggest one that we still tend to face with these days.
Speaker C:But the nice thing is, is even as the buyer, you're.
Speaker C:You're protected because it's your local dealer who understands all the local laws, the regulations, what you can and can't have.
Speaker C:So they're there to kind of make sure you don't order something you shouldn't if you're in one of the, you know, less friendly states.
Speaker B:I want to get Alan spicy, so we're gonna get you spicy.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:So here's my favorite myth about gunbroker, and I know you can dispel it, is that there are people running auctions who are bidding up their own items.
Speaker B:I know you guys go after them for that.
Speaker C:Oh, yeah.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You don't stay a seller long if you do that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So I've seen.
Speaker B:I've seen it a couple times where you see, like, the same person bidding up the same item, where people go in and bidding up items, and then it gets relisted because they were fake bids.
Speaker B:You guys attack that pretty quickly.
Speaker C:We try to stay on top of that to the point that we probably have gone a little overboard at times, especially with some of the charity auctions we've done for some groups.
Speaker C:There's some very high dollar items in there, and you see big bids coming in, which is usually our first red flag.
Speaker C:Typically, you don't see big bids, but on some of these items, it makes sense.
Speaker C:We've had some auctions get pause while we look into and go, oh, never mind that.
Speaker C:That's a real bid.
Speaker C:Okay, carry on.
Speaker C:Good luck.
Speaker C:But, yeah, we're very conscious of trying to keep everything.
Speaker C:Absolutely.
Speaker C:As clean as possible.
Speaker C:Protect the sellers, protect the buyers.
Speaker C:Just have a good experience for everybody.
Speaker C:So definitely a myth.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Now, there are items on Gunbroker that you can buy that are FFL related?
Speaker C:Oh, 100%.
Speaker C:Yeah, it's.
Speaker C:I mean it's in the name.
Speaker C:So that might not have been a little forethought on our side.
Speaker C:And guns do make up a large portion of Gunbroker.
Speaker C:But yeah, there's tons of non regulated items, all kinds of accessories.
Speaker C:You know, we about this time last year instituted a shopping cart with recommended items.
Speaker C:So if you pick up a Glock 19, it's probably going to ask, hey, do you want some magazines?
Speaker C:Here's some holsters to go with it.
Speaker C:So you can make one transaction, check out one time.
Speaker C:Even if you're buying from different sellers, try and batch everything together.
Speaker C:So saving a little time, a little effort, maybe one credit card transaction you have to explain instead of four credit card transactions you have to explain.
Speaker C:So yeah, we've.
Speaker C:Gosh, we've got.
Speaker C:We actually have a really crazy amount of stuff on there.
Speaker C:Need a jeep.
Speaker C:We could do that.
Speaker C:Tents, sleeping bags.
Speaker C:When I first started, I looked at our.
Speaker C:The item number is basically just to count.
Speaker C:You know, if you're the hundredth item that we've listed, you Add item number 100.
Speaker C:I noticed we were getting pretty close to is it 1 million or 1 billion?
Speaker C:It was a big number and I'm like, hey, we should probably do something about this.
Speaker C: h our luck it's going to be a: Speaker C:Just crazy.
Speaker C:And it finally hit.
Speaker C:We're like, all right, what is it?
Speaker C:And it was a stabilizer for a bow, which I actually loved.
Speaker C:I thought that was awesome because we have a fair amount of archery stuff on there.
Speaker C:And having that as our one, I should remember if it was million or billionth.
Speaker C:It has to be billionth.
Speaker C:There's no way it's millionth.
Speaker C:But as our milestone item just kind of helped reinforce that we're not just guns, we're a lot of guns.
Speaker C:But really anything you need for shooting sports or the outdoor sports, you can probably find it on there.
Speaker B:We saw a huge influx during the COVID era and I know I was on the gun side, in the manufacturing side when this happened.
Speaker B:What was it like for gun broker?
Speaker B:Because that is interesting because most of the gun stores sold out of everything.
Speaker B:So auctions had to be they're really good or really bad, you know.
Speaker C:Covid and the ensuing rush on firearms made for a very, very spicy time at Gunbroker.
Speaker C:Because for a lot of cases it was really the only place you could go.
Speaker C:The only place that had Inventory.
Speaker C:If you happen to live in a place that a gun shop had inventory going on and maybe wasn't moving, they knew they could put it on Gunbroker and it would sell almost instantly.
Speaker C:You know, we're always looking back at data.
Speaker C:We're always modeling out the trends to see, you know, seasonalities, what's going on.
Speaker C:We also often look at our data to see the impacts of laws and regulations that are coming into states.
Speaker C:You know, we'll see a big uptick before it goes into effect and of course, off the cliff when a new ban of some kind goes into play.
Speaker C:And certainly, like you said, Covid, everyone kind of realized that society can't protect me like they said they would.
Speaker C:You know, they would saw that both through Covid, but also a lot of the civil unrest events were going on at the same time as well, and people just started taking more responsibility.
Speaker C:And it wasn't just firearm ownership.
Speaker C:You know, people were.
Speaker C:Couldn't go to restaurants, so you had to learn how to cook.
Speaker C:You couldn't probably go get your car worked on.
Speaker C:So, you know, you're on YouTube trying to figure out how to change your own oil, whatever it might be.
Speaker C:So that was a really strong case there.
Speaker C:And with COVID we've had a number of shops tell us that they wouldn't be open today if it hadn't been for Gunbroker.
Speaker C:That was the only way they could sell because the states they were in were completely locked down.
Speaker C:And some states looked at firearms as an essential service.
Speaker C:I was fortunate my state was one of those.
Speaker C:So good on Nebraska.
Speaker C:Others, though, it's like, no, sorry, you're closed.
Speaker C:And especially the small independent shops losing 3, 6, 9 months of revenue, they just couldn't do it.
Speaker C:But through Gunbroker, they were able to continue doing business.
Speaker C:And some of them were able to be so successful to expand storefronts.
Speaker C:Some went completely online and did away with storefronts.
Speaker C:So like everything else, E Commerce, there was a shift at that point where people got a lot more comfortable buying.
Speaker C:We'd always had strong customers, really enthusiastic people who, like you, who are on Gunbroker a lot, love to be on Gunbroker.
Speaker C: using Gunbroker in the early: Speaker C:It was always a little bit hesitant at first because there are certain things that you kind of like to handle first.
Speaker C:I still to this day can't fathom people who buy off of Carvana.
Speaker C:I mean, how do you buy a car without taking it for a test drive?
Speaker C:I mean, I just can't fathom that.
Speaker C:But when you got to the habit of buying toilet paper online because you had no choice, suddenly it became a lot easier to figure out.
Speaker C:So, yeah, we certainly, we were definitely on the upswing of that wave, like a lot of the farmers market was during that space.
Speaker C:And our new normal, which is a phrase I hate, but even our baseline, now that we're back to kind of normal times, it's higher than it was before because again, people got used to it.
Speaker C:It became the magic N word.
Speaker C:It was normalized.
Speaker C:And people who were kind of forced into that avenue because of lockdowns and the pandemic stuck around because they really enjoyed the experience.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And we sued on behalf of many of those states that, you know, couldn't be operational.
Speaker A:And we were lobbying the White House during.
Speaker A:During that time as well, to make the Second Amendment an essential business.
Speaker A:It's always kind of dumbfounded me how something that is constitutionally protected could be shut down to begin with.
Speaker A:And it really has been just one of those things where, you know, everyone during that Covid time, I think just kind of was like, wow, this is insane.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:It was insane.
Speaker A:And looking back at it, you almost can't believe you lived through it.
Speaker C:It was crazy.
Speaker C:It's just kind of a deleted part of my brain right now.
Speaker C:I don't remember past events very well because I have a two year gap.
Speaker C:Like, oh, that was like three years ago that happened.
Speaker C:What do you mean?
Speaker C:That was six years.
Speaker C:Okay.
Speaker C:And certainly firearms ownership saw that uptick, but just outdoors in general did.
Speaker C:And I think they kind of pulled each other along hand in hand, because, you know, if you decided, you know, I need a firearm for protection because I don't feel safe anymore, you need to go use that.
Speaker C:So public shooting ranges saw an uptick in traffic and people got outdoors.
Speaker C:Others, we can't go to the movies, you know, we can't go to sporting events.
Speaker C:I don't know, let's go camping, let's go out there.
Speaker C:And while you're out there, you see a shooting facility, and they're like, we should try that for the first time.
Speaker C:So I think the two kind of benefited side by side, the.
Speaker C:The sad but also, you know, happy part.
Speaker C:I think the firearms ownership has maintained a lot of those folks.
Speaker C:The numbers I see on some of the outdoor stuff, not so much.
Speaker C:A lot of people, once they were able to get back inside, really did.
Speaker C:So, you know, camping and hiking and biking, some of those things are trending back down.
Speaker C:But like I said, from our perspective, the new normal is definitely a step several steps higher than what it was before the pandemic.
Speaker B:Covid was just.
Speaker B:It was insane from, I mean, you guys were on the, the retail side, from the manufacturing side.
Speaker B:It was like, okay, so what are we making today?
Speaker B:Yeah, that's gone.
Speaker B:Okay, what are we making now?
Speaker B:Okay, well, that's already sold.
Speaker B:Okay, what are we making?
Speaker B:What do we have?
Speaker B:Oh, back order.
Speaker B:Okay, let's do this.
Speaker B:It was just insane.
Speaker B:And Ohio, luckily was one of those states where we were able to continue to work because we were essential business.
Speaker B:But I do see that, and we can see from this election that came up that more people who did get in the firearms ownership during that time now are realizing that the Second Amendment is something that they need to protect.
Speaker B:And I've said it on this podcast before, I'm going to say it again.
Speaker B:We have the votes.
Speaker B:We have the ability to go out and change things.
Speaker B:And people are screaming already.
Speaker B:Well, it's only been, you know, it's been three, four or five months now.
Speaker B:They're already screaming for this change.
Speaker B:Where's the change?
Speaker B:Rapid change.
Speaker B:It takes time.
Speaker B:But you have to go out and start letting these senators and congressmen know that this is the time to start pushing it and continue to be the.
Speaker B:Be in the bonnet in a nice way.
Speaker B:Please be nice.
Speaker B:Don't sting.
Speaker B:But be that.
Speaker B:Be in the bonnet and be like, hey, what about the, the suppressors?
Speaker B:What about the Shush act in the Hearing Protection act?
Speaker B:What about SBRs and SBS is coming off the NFA?
Speaker B:What about getting rid of the National Firearms Act?
Speaker B:Getting rid of the gca, getting rid of the importation restrictions, getting rid of all this stuff.
Speaker B:Let's make gun ownership great again and strong again.
Speaker B:Let's bring in some cool stuff.
Speaker B:Let's see things that, I mean, you, you guys get cool things all the time on gunbroker, but there are stuff that may be one off samples that made in the country to get tried out that are floating around.
Speaker B:You know, let's get some of that stuff back in.
Speaker B:Let's get some of the cool stuff that's coming over from Europe and other places back into the country.
Speaker C:Oh, 100%.
Speaker C:Yeah.
Speaker C:You know, we've had a European farms historian on before and you know, he knows the stores that are being sat on over there that they just would love to bring into the market and that we would love to have in the market.
Speaker C:But, you know, I think the way you started that point, though, I think, I guess we're Going back to spicy take section.
Speaker C:You know, for years when other parties were in power, we decried the use of the executive order.
Speaker C:No, they're doing this all with a, you know, a pen and a cell phone as the phrase went.
Speaker C:And right now what I fear is that gun owners are kind of going to fall back on that and go, well, here's the executive orders we're seeing signed.
Speaker C:And that's great.
Speaker C:You know, if you're looking for that, that immediate impact and some of that, that, that quick stuff right out the gate, we are seeing some of that.
Speaker C:But without the actual laws passed and the bills either enacted or laws taken off the books, an EO is only as good as that administration.
Speaker C:You know, as we're seeing things that were enacted two years ago are being swiped right out with the wipe of a pen.
Speaker C:Well, you know, if, if tides turn six years from now or eight years from now or, you know, you could see that flip right back around.
Speaker C:So that's why the legal side of it getting the lawmakers to actually enact it is, is really critical.
Speaker C:And I don't think as gun owners we could take our eye off of that.
Speaker C:You know, the number 60, of course is the one we all, all talk about and we've got to have the 60 votes to get those things through.
Speaker C:And that's the ball that we need to be focusing on pushing on and not necessarily looking to the White House as the end all be all.
Speaker C:While it's certainly great to have a supporter there and putting the right people in place at the right agencies, without the action from Congress, they could all be very temporary.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know, and I can hear the comment section right now because we just had a very exhausting election cycle.
Speaker A:It's not been that long and I hate to be the person that says the quiet part out loud, but the midterm elections are here and the people who are running and are in the primaries to challenge, maybe a seat that is open or isn't open can be a valuable tool for us to win.
Speaker A:We do not have a overwhelming majority now.
Speaker C:The guaranteed 60 is very hard for the pro gun side.
Speaker A:And so it's important for us to understand that while the elections are exhausting, the elections are vital and they never.
Speaker C:End in the current cycle.
Speaker C:They don't end.
Speaker C:Like you said, we just finished up one cycle, but the midterm has already started.
Speaker A:Yeah, and I don't know the two year cycle is so difficult because in two years it's like three blinks and you're done.
Speaker A:But Just as important as these members of Congress are and these senators are for us to get vet and to get out there and be involved and active.
Speaker A:And that's the other thing.
Speaker A:It's almost not enough to just vote.
Speaker A:You have to be willing to call up your friends, you have to be willing to block walk.
Speaker A:You have to be willing to get out there and let people know why you support the candidate that you support.
Speaker A:Especially in these really tight purple districts or in these districts where, you know, the primary is the most important and most vital time for any election.
Speaker A:And I know that it doesn't get the attention it deserves.
Speaker A:And that's because, you know, it's easy when you know how somebody's going to vote.
Speaker A:But just because they have a letter associated with their name does not mean that they are, are always going to be good on the second Amendment.
Speaker A:And so you need to be very vocal about what you're supporting and why.
Speaker C:Well, if they have a D by their name, they're not always bad about it either.
Speaker C:So that's a great point that the party line politics that we've kind of evolved into doesn't always tell the whole story.
Speaker C:And that's why you need to do a little bit of the research on your own and look into those cases as well.
Speaker C:And even if you're in a district, and I've heard this from friends in various states, like why bother vote?
Speaker C:We know it's going to go 80% the wrong way.
Speaker C:Okay, great.
Speaker C:But I guarantee if you make that vote 72% the wrong way, they're going to take notice that, that that is being chipped away at.
Speaker C:They're gonna want to know why that could, could bring in some change of candidates in the future or potentially at least maybe backing off a subject.
Speaker C:And let's face it, in this fight, that can be a win.
Speaker C:You know, we don't necessarily have to win the argument, but if we get them to quiet down or back off the argument, that's, that's a victory in its own right.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:Again, it goes back to we the people have the power, if we the people choose to exercise it.
Speaker A:And that is making phone calls, that is, you know, being involved, that is voting, that is, you know, block walking.
Speaker A:All of those things matter tremendously, but relies on, what is the definition of a gun rights activist?
Speaker A:And that is, simply put, someone who takes personal responsibility, not only in the use of their firearms, but in the defense of their right to own them.
Speaker C:And with the midterm especially, I think the various political scientists have different theories for it, but I think you hit on a really strong one, that there's so much hangover from a presidential election year that the midterms sometimes get overlooked because historically the midterms almost always go the opposite way that the presidential race win, whether it's a subconscious balancing of power by the American people or the side that lost comes back really strong and tries to take back some of that power, or frankly that the side that wins, it's again a little bit of a victory lap and a hangover and the eye gets taken off the ball a little bit.
Speaker C:But with how close the margins are on this particular issue, the midterm is super critical.
Speaker C:And if we really want some of those bills to get passed through, we can't lose any of those seats back in the midterm, as is typical, I think only one time in history that hasn't happened and I forget what year it was.
Speaker C:It's relatively recent, but the midterm almost always swings back a little bit the other way because I think the winning side sometimes takes the eye off the ball a little bit.
Speaker C:So it's even more important now to, you know, like you said, it's the quiet part out loud.
Speaker C:But it has to be said, the midterms are important.
Speaker C:And as much as we don't want to get into election talk again already, we kind of have to.
Speaker A:I completely agree with what you're saying.
Speaker A:And as much as I want to see tremendous victory come the midterms for the second amendment at the federal level, we also should not neglect the governor's races and the House races.
Speaker A:The founders were incredibly smart when they put together our system of government.
Speaker A:And we're supposed to have a local government and that is supposed to be the one that governs the most.
Speaker A:And it's gotten flipped in, in a lot of ways.
Speaker A:But if you're living in New Jersey, California, New York, places that are super anti gun as a general rule, you might start to feel apathetic.
Speaker A:But now is not the time for apathy.
Speaker A:Now is the time to make your voices heard and to really continue the momentum.
Speaker A:We've seen so many states pass second Amendment protection acts, constitutional carry, even down to the individual county level in some of these anti gun or traditionally anti gun states where you have the momentum.
Speaker A:It just might take a few more election cycles.
Speaker A:But like you were saying, now is the time for the groundswell to build.
Speaker A:It is not time for it to recede.
Speaker C:Yeah, and, and it's that middle group.
Speaker C:You know, if you live in one of the you know, a very non permissive state.
Speaker C:If and you don't care about guns, what you know about guns, you think that's the norm.
Speaker C:You think that's how all states are.
Speaker C:You think that's just how things should be.
Speaker C:Where if you've got a, you know, a state organization or national organization that continues to have that conversation and continue to try and drive that point in, then that middle knows that, you know, there's, there's more to be learned here.
Speaker C:There's two very staunchly dug inside.
Speaker C:So I should maybe do a little looking of my own.
Speaker C:And again, that middle is so critical.
Speaker C:I mean it's great to swing them over, but even swinging them away from the other side, that's a victory in its own right.
Speaker A:Thank you so much for joining us on this podcast.
Speaker A:Where can everyone find you on social media website, all that good jazz.
Speaker C:I mean gunbroker.com it's right there in the name.
Speaker C:It's easy to find.
Speaker C:You'll find tabs there to all of our social media links.
Speaker C:We're on Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and YouTube.
Speaker C:Our collectors elite, the high end auction site.
Speaker C:Same thing.
Speaker C:Collectorsleadauctions.com and hey, when you're on Gunbrush Broker, if you click the little stores tab, you can find all of the non profit and charity auctions for organizations like the goa.
Speaker C:You know, we host auctions for, for those folks all the time to help take their fundraising from a banquet or state level to, to the national level as well and try and get you guys a little bit more value for, for the things that are donated to you.
Speaker C:So be sure to hit those up and, and bid on some of those items.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And also watch Allen's podcast.
Speaker C:You can find it the no Lowballers podcast, you know, through Gunbroker.com or YouTube or wherever you consume your favorite podcasts as well.
Speaker C:Yeah, we like to say we're history adjacent so we're not going to get into roll marks and barrel lengths and schematics.
Speaker C:But we'll talk about some of the, we do a lot of pop culture stuff, but a lot of the real world impacts of some of the great parts and sometimes not so great parts of firearms history.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we're going to wrap this up before we go.
Speaker B:Alan, again, appreciate you.
Speaker C:Thanks for having me.
Speaker B:I want to hand you this awesome gift.
Speaker B:This is a gift from AAC and Paul Meadows.
Speaker B:They sponsored the gift for our guests for this season.
Speaker C:Well, thank you.
Speaker B:Get a awesome gift from them.
Speaker C:Oh, nice and heavy.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Also I'm gonna wrap up on this.
Speaker B:Make Mosens 89 again, please and thank you.
Speaker B:That is my spicy take here, guys.
Speaker B:Make sure to, like, share and subscribe.
Speaker B:We've got Goals coming up on August 9th and 10th and Knoxville, Tennessee, be there.
Speaker B:Go see Gunbroker at their booth at Goals.
Speaker B:We're happy that you guys hopped back on again.
Speaker B:Super excited to have you there.
Speaker C:Yeah, couldn't wait.
Speaker C:Like, we're trying to make a little bigger and better this year, too.
Speaker B:Yeah, we've got some.
Speaker B:Maybe some auctions running through them during the show.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:We've got some things going on, so.
Speaker B:Super excited about that.
Speaker B:Make sure to go to Goals.
Speaker B:Make sure to go to gunners.org become a member of Goa, because without you, we can't keep doing what we're doing.
Speaker B:And we will catch you on the next one.
