Join us as Jeremy Van Wert, CEO of High Altitude Mindset, delves into an awe-inspiring conversation with Dr. Heather Bird of www.healingbird.com. Dr. Bird is a renowned healer, spiritual guide, and transformational expert with a remarkable background in holistic wellness and soul healing.

In this enlightening episode, we explore the incredible capacity within each of us to heal ourselves. Dr. Heather Bird shares her profound insights on our purpose as human beings on this beautiful planet, offering a fresh perspective that will leave you inspired and motivated to make a positive impact.

Life and death, often regarded as mysteries, are unveiled in their true essence as we engage in a deep discussion about their profound interconnectedness. Discover the wisdom of spirituality and soul healing, and learn how it can empower your journey towards self-discovery and personal growth.

Prepare to be moved as Dr. Bird connects with one of Jeremy's ancestors, unraveling the fascinating influence his grandfather had on his life, even beyond his earthly existence. It's a touching and heartfelt moment that reminds us of the enduring connections between generations.

Throughout this episode, we emphasize the importance of living a balanced, positive, and spiritually connected life. Dr. Heather Bird's wisdom will guide you on a path to greater harmony, inner peace, and purposeful living.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Welcome to mindful mutiny. I'm Jeremy Van Wert. CEO. License therapist and transformational coach at mindful Mutiny. We thoughtfully rebel against anything that stands between you and your highest potential. Today we have an absolutely amazing guest that I have been waiting for weeks and weeks and weeks to have.

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Jeremy Van Wert: We have Dr. Heather Bird, who is a doctor of acupuncture, and today we are going to discuss everything from spirituality to healing, to removing blockages from your life that maybe you didn't even know were there.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Dr. Heather Bird is somebody that I have known for a very long period of time. She has worked with me, and I just she's had such an amazing effect on my life, on in my mindset and in understanding who I am as as a cosmic being. And so, Dr. Bird, thank you so much for joining the mindful mutiny. Podcast

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Heather Bird: it is my honor to be here.

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Jeremy Van Wert: heather

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Jeremy Van Wert: as as as I. As we get into this. I wanted to ask you to just explain, because it's so much more than acupuncture that you do. What is it that you do with with clientele that provides them with the value that you uniquely provide to them?

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Heather Bird: Great question. I think I'd like to use yourself as an example if we can talk about the first time you came to see me for a quote unquote like acupuncture treatment.

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Heather Bird: Years ago you came in. and I remember that the whole room smelt like cigarettes. and I ask you, do you smoke? And you said, No, of course you don't smoke. And I was thinking, okay, patients lie all the time. That's fine.

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Heather Bird: And you were like, no, I really don't smoke. And I was like, oh, what I'm sensing is, you were close with your grandfather. Your grandfather was a smoker. I think he died of lung cancer, and he has blended into you. And you're having some

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Heather Bird: consequences of walking around with somebody else's spirit in your body. And then I helped you disconnect from your grandfather spirit which you mentioned a moment ago of

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Heather Bird: having blocks that you might not even know you had you at that time. I don't think you were aware that you had your deceased grandfather blended into you, and anytime we're walking around with somebody else's influence. It's going to have

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Heather Bird: a burden of consequence on our day to day. Life so, depending on what's blended into you

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Heather Bird: depends on the consequence. So if if someone was blended into you and that person had a cancer, maybe you'd be more predisposed to cancer. So the big question like, why does some people get cancer? And some people don't get cancer? Or if someone was blended into who was a gambling addict or someone with anxiety, you might have a gambling problem, or you might have anxiety. I don't remember.

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Heather Bird: Do you remember if you had symptoms of your grandfather, or like what changed once we removed? This is this is the the real brilliance of this whole thing. So, for people's just education out there and knowledge. My grandfather Tony.

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Jeremy Van Wert: was a very happy go. Lucky fun, Guy, and he was. He went into the service in World War 2. And he fought in Iwo, Jima and Guadalcanal, and he was out there for 36 months, which is an unbelievably long time, and he saw absolutely horrible combat.

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Jeremy Van Wert: and according to my family, my grandfather came home, and he was never quite the same again, and had very, very strong symptoms of Ptsd. He would wake up in the night screaming, and he was sure that there was an attack happening. My grandmother would have to turn the lights on, and show him that there was no enemy combatants in the room or outside the window, and, like many men in the service, he never really got any

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Jeremy Van Wert: kind of psychological help. He would do what many of those men did in those those days. He would smoke a lot. He'd drink a lot, and he worked a lot, and he did that for a very long time. Always a very good man, a very honest man, a man with a great deal of integrity. But that happy go, lucky, sunny fun, jokey nature of him was lost in when he was in the service.

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Jeremy Van Wert: and his high

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Jeremy Van Wert: high energy because of that vigilance of that is something that drove him to smoke till he couldn't stand up anymore. And he passed away. When I believed that I was maybe 5 years old. It was 1981 or 82 that that that was.

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Jeremy Van Wert: And when you said, Who do you know who in your family smokes. He was the one. And and so you were able to connect with him in that. And when you talked about his nervous energy, I've always been a nervous bird. I've always been really highly anxious and highly vigilant. I still kind of him, but that was a day that I remember where some things seem to fall in place for me.

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Heather Bird: Since you're saying you still might have some of those symptoms right now, if you don't mind this being experiential. I'm standing you to see if there's any residual of him.

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Heather Bird: And he's completely moved out. But it's almost as if there was like a a shadow cast that still has imprinted on your nervous system. So if I'll have you take a big, deep breath in and then focus on your chest, and especially like the top part of your chest, and just take a moment.

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Heather Bird: Follow your breathing, follow your heart, because it seems like when you get anxious. It is in that chest base, like some people might get anxious, and it's it makes their muscles tight, or it's all in their head, or

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Heather Bird: and make some, you know, whatever user scratch for you. It seems to negatively impact your upper chest.

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Heather Bird: So I'm just kind of reminding your nervous bit system, especially like Vegas nerve, and the nerves that are coming in to your chest to kind of modulate, to be able to ramp up, but be able to ramp down. So if there are no threats, if things are nice and calm, you can access that serenity and just one more

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Heather Bird: breath in, and then I'll have you imagine, like all the nerves just going down your spine.

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Heather Bird: and I'll just help you like anchor down into your low back, because it also seems sometimes when you get the nervous bird comes on

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Heather Bird: the nervous system in your upper back becomes more active in your lower back. So kinda like, if you went up into your head space. So just pulling those energetics down and grounding yourself through the rest of your spine.

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Jeremy Van Wert: So how does that feel when we when we do that for you? A wonderful, beautiful change of consciousness for me, a sense of serenity, a sense of actually being here in in myself.

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Jeremy Van Wert: whereas I tend to be really, really in my head, really, really fast?

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Heather Bird: Again, it begs that question, how come some people go up into their head a lot. How come some people go into their head, and they're very intelligent and kind of over thinking how come some people go into their head, and they're numb or blank, or how come some type? People go into their head, and it's

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Heather Bird: a fear, space or anger space, or.

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Heather Bird: you know, a million other combinations. So for you like we talked about that, grandpa, especially when you were 5. That's when your nervous system is really developing. And so he blended into at a young age, and it kind of set you on a certain trajectory, and then you had him with you a majority of your life, and it's only been the last couple of years that you're breathing. You have breathing space without him, and it just can take our nervous system a little while to

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Heather Bird: reharmonize.

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Heather Bird: So for you, going up into your head space, that being the root cause. But then helping you ground back down and not just being like a mind activity, which is a helpful tool, but having it shift into a default. When your body senses, something is just more efficient. You don't have to like constantly keep reminding yourself to do that. Your body will just find that new balance point and be like this is, a more effective

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Heather Bird: place to be.

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Heather Bird: and you settle into it for a a different long term trajectory.

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Heather Bird: So through throughout this, for for the audience I might work on you a couple of times, just as things come up. It's irresistible for me to kind of go in and help you edit like help, people, spirit. And I think it's one of the better ways to demonstrate how I work with people. Is, everyone is going to be different and have their own specific

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Heather Bird: situation. So in general, I scan people, and then I can find the root cause of whatever symptom chief complaint they're calling me for helping them find that root cause

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Heather Bird: teaching in their spirit how to auto, correct it, and then any guidance, any kind of tweaks along the way.

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Jeremy Van Wert: So at the time. And this is, you know, for for our audience at the time when you, when you

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Jeremy Van Wert: sensed my grandfather.

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Jeremy Van Wert: you you had told me that he had hung around me for a really long period of time, because he thought that I was an interesting fellow. You used those words so why would

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Jeremy Van Wert: is that common? Why would an ancestor stay with a person for a long period of time.

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Heather Bird: A a couple of reasons. One is favoritism, like they'll scan around and they'll be like, I just really like this particular person, and it could be blood, or I've seen it like a neighbor or a family friend. And so they they look around, and they they see not only who do, who they enjoy

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Heather Bird: to be connected with, but then who has access points like kind of in a way like, what are the low hanging fruit like? Who could I easily assimilate into? Who would receive me in? So if you had a positive relationship with your grandpa like maybe you were kind of like him. You were both happy. Go, lucky guys at your true nature. You would feel a kinship, and you would be like

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Heather Bird: this guy is great. Of course we wanna hang out, and you'd be very receptive. Let's take someone else who has a vast history of getting spiritually abused, they might not let

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Heather Bird: another spirit, another presence or entity blend into them because of their experience with that in the past. So part of it is favoritism. Part of it is just opportunity. Who's closest? Who's around? And then who has the chinks in their armor where they can actually get in.

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Heather Bird: and I say chinks in the armor as a way to say. anyone who's carrying around

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Heather Bird: energy frequencies that are not theirs of foreign nature. They'll always be abusive. They'll always be parasitic, even if you super duper love that person. So it's not a reflection of who's nice and who isn't kind. But if you're running someone else's pattern, it it'll always be like

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Heather Bird: smears on the blueprint that will disrupt your inner well being and cause symptoms and consequences in a variety of different ways. So you have to have a couple of chinks in your armor that will allow abuse to take place in the first part. If there was someone who was running a spirit pattern of absolutely nobody could abuse me

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Heather Bird: then, even if there was a favorite grandpa who wanted to blend in the spiritual physics would never allow that.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Yeah, I can. I can definitely see that I I'm sorry you're you. You kind of blow me away when you, when when you do this, you know, and it because it's so, it's so close to home. It's so wonderfully meaningful that that you're able to connect.

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Jeremy Van Wert: you know, with with a person in this way. And so

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Jeremy Van Wert: you're a very unique person.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Can you take me back in your life? When did all of this start. When did you start being able to see things that other people couldn't see?

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Heather Bird: I

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Heather Bird: I come from a interesting group of birds. I grew up in a childhood that was very chaotic, very violent, and

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everyone completely believed in ghost and spirits, so that wasn't beaten out of us like it's beaten out of a lot of American kids. So if there were ghosts in the house, or weird, creepy experiences happened. We could talk about them and kind of almost like

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Heather Bird: jokingly use humor to minimize them. And it was considered like normal that people could interact with the other side. And then one of the consequences of a lot. A pretty extreme amount of violence.

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Heather Bird: Was my first near death experience at about 6. I don't have.

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Heather Bird: I don't have really clear memories of the incident other than it came from family, and it was

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Heather Bird: incredibly violent. But the consequence of that was this deeply ingrained desire to survive, and by 6 by 7 I knew. Childhood is just something to be endured, and I'm just going to serve. My goal is to just get out of my childhood alive and sort this out when I am kind of away from this

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Heather Bird: pack of hornets. So going through. let's see childhood

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Heather Bird: there's just a lot of really creepy spiritual, metaphysical stuff that happened throughout my childhood, and then I don't think it was well until

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Heather Bird: late twenties where I was able to sit back and reflect and be like, wait! People don't understand the world. I the way I understand it not. Everybody has medical intuition, not. Everybody can talk to ghost, not everybody can access past lives. I don't think it really occurred to me that

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Heather Bird: that I was doing something special. I thought everybody could easily access this information as well as I could. It was in acupuncture school, when I would sit down with a patient and say something like, Oh, you have ringing your ears, and the ringing is worse in your left ear, and the patient would be like, How did you know that? And then the teachers would turn to me and be like, How did you know that? And that's when I started to kind of piece together, like, I think I'm processing

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Heather Bird: the world differently. I think I'm getting a lot more information than the standard person is getting so kind of later later in life, when I put that together.

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Jeremy Van Wert: And and so you know you. you became comfortable early on with the concept that you you see things that other people can't see. And you weren't even really aware that that was something that was different or unique

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Jeremy Van Wert: until later on. And and so, you know, there's a lot of it's a lot of just misunderstanding about what

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Jeremy Van Wert: what the spirit world actually is related to. You know our existence. And II had a job that was at a place that had a headquarters

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Jeremy Van Wert: that had a lot of energy in it, and when I was there at night it was spooky because things would. Things would move.

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Jeremy Van Wert: doors would shut.

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Jeremy Van Wert: toilets would flush on their own like all of this sort of thing, and you had talked about this in terms of

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Jeremy Van Wert: lots of different spirits can do lots of different things. Sometimes they're playing with you, sometimes they really don't like you being around. Sometimes there's just a lot of different ways in which

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Jeremy Van Wert: that dimension, whatever it is, can can

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Jeremy Van Wert: interact with us. And so what can you talk a little bit about all of that.

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Heather Bird: just like humans who are alive. There is a wide spectrum of functionality like lower functioning humans and higher functioning humans. So on the other side, same thing. If you had a lower functioning human, their abilities might not be that impressive on the other side. But then, if you have a

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Heather Bird: high functioning human, with a high level of abilities, whether them from a pure source or a dark source. The greater their abilities will be on the other side. So if someone had access to psychic abilities or accessing a lot of different dimensions while they're alive. When they cross over, they maintain their spiritual abilities, their spiritual hierarchy, so they would be able to access

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Heather Bird: alternate dimensions on the other side. So.

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Heather Bird: for example, like flushing a toilet well, flushing a toilet with the malicious intent to upset you

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Heather Bird: versus like I'm bored. So I'm going to flush the toilet, or I have Ocd. And I'm going to be a ghost to flush the toilet. I'm gonna flush this toilet because I know that will really get Jeremy's attention, and it'll kind of spook him

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Heather Bird: so that kinda hints that they get their abilities from a darker place versus like a pure place just using the litmus test of like do no harm. If someone is trying to do something malicious to you, even if it's benign, like flushing the toilet, it would tell me that they are of like a darker

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Heather Bird: intention.

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Heather Bird: If, while they were alive they could access other dimensions. So maybe when that ghost was alive they could talk to ghost, or they could see ghost, or they could feel when a ghost was in a dark room they'd get to the other side, and they would have that consciousness of oh, the! When you're human, you can access the dimension of ghost on the other side, so I can look back and be a ghost and access that human dimension

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Jeremy Van Wert: one of the things and that fly just loves you

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Jeremy Van Wert: one of the things that

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that that you mentioned just really quickly in that was the concept of pure source.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Can you explain what that is and and what you're talking to when you refer to that?

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Heather Bird: Yeah, I'll use an example of how I kind of stumbled onto it. To to illustrate.

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Well, when I'm explaining it to a patient, I might say like

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Heather Bird: the source. Well, I'll go back to my example. So when I was a little kid, in addition to physical violence, from the people around me, I would also get spiritually attacked so like spirit like ghost, would punch me and attack me, and every single night, when I was a little kid

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Heather Bird: I would go to sleep, and the lights would be out, and the whole entire room, whatever room I was in would fill up with these

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Heather Bird: dark spirits. It's a dark room, so I'm not seeing them with my eyes open. I'm sensing them around me, and I could just tent sense this like pack of really dark spirits that would just swarm like tornado all the way around me, and their intent was to terrify me. And I can tell you, as a little kid, it was terrifying. If that happened as an adult today, I would still probably be terrified.

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Every single night this would happen. I had horrible insomnia as a kid, and really bad being scared of the dark because they didn't appear when the lights were on

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Heather Bird: but after one of my near-death experiences right after it. I'm I had this situation, maybe on 12 or 13 lying in bed. It's completely dark.

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The monsters are swirling all around me, and I was like, Okay, I don't know what is going on, but I know that this feels really dark. This feels really evil. This feels really bad, therefore there are dark and evil and bad things that are real in the world, whether I can see them or explain them to anyone or measure them. I know that this is my experience, and I know this is happening. So if there are dark things.

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Heather Bird: there has to be an opposite. So what is the opposite of this dark? And instantly I just. I was flooded with this light internally.

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Heather Bird: and all the dark, scary monsters instantly evaporated, and the room was just bright as day. And I was like, okay, dark things exist, but the opposite of darkness exist, light exist, purity exist. And so for months and years afterwards, every night that would still happen, the dark things would come swirling in.

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Heather Bird: and I would. And I'd have to be like, Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah. When the darkness shows up, just remember, find the opposite find something that's a hundred pure. And as soon as I would do that all the scary entities around me would disappear. So

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Heather Bird: on one side it was rough, having a rough childhood, but it has benefited me immeasurably to find that purity at a really young age, and be able to access that and use that as a goalpost for the rest of my life, because it gave me a tangible

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Heather Bird: trajectory. In a world like the spirit world. The metaphysical world is mostly invisible. So to have, like an internal visceral experience of something tangible has benefited me every day since then. So I think that's my most basic definition of something of like pure source or purity is the opposite, like in dichotomy to the darkness that's out there.

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Jeremy Van Wert: You have really helped me conceptualize a lot of things differently than

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Jeremy Van Wert: how I did before. Forget. I'm been a clinician for a very long period of time, and

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Heather Bird: when I'm working with people. A lot of people have

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Jeremy Van Wert: these just dark feelings, and oftentimes it's early abuse or early trauma. I'm not worth something. I people shouldn't love me. I deserve to be put down. And these sorts of things, and these are what I would just

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Jeremy Van Wert: kind of put down as personal roadblocks. These are things these are ideas that people have that just certainly aren't true. I've met the most lovely human beings who have such a sense that they're not worth anything. And so, and it. It affects everything in their life. It affects their ability to assert themselves when they're being wronged. It it it affects

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Jeremy Van Wert: their sexual lives between them and their spouse because they don't feel like they are worth having. Somebody spend extra time on them. It affects their careers because they don't feel that they deserve to go to a certain level in their career, or that they're too stupid, or these different things like this.

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Jeremy Van Wert: What a therapist would look at is, let's get some better insight into those early experiences. And let's just try something different.

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Jeremy Van Wert: How would you approach these sorts of things from a just long held beliefs that just simply aren't true.

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Heather Bird: I would say in general, the patterns that people are running are coming from 3 places, trauma from this life

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Heather Bird: family lineage, so like a family history of anxiety, all the women in a family have anxiety like kinda encoded in the DNA and past life

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Heather Bird: experiences so like in every past life, somebody had anxiety. So where I love therapy, and I think everybody should go through courses of therapy.

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Heather Bird: I think that works really well when you pair it with like the true root cause.

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Heather Bird: Modern therapy seems to only be looking at trauma from this life, and then they it's I think they use coping mechanism or tools.

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Heather Bird: to compat it, and it's not getting to the underlining spiritual frequencies that are dictating it.

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In general, I try not to do coping mechanisms, because I feel like they just propagate the pattern. They just give you a way to cope with it. You're not deleting it, you're not shifting it. You're just living with it. And when you agree to just live with with it, you're just continuing to propagate it.

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Heather Bird: So I think coping mechanisms should only be used like to prevent someone from immediately harming themselves or harming others. I don't see long term. I don't see results with it, because I'll have patients who are in their sixties, seventies and eighties and saying, Yeah, I've been working on this. I've been in therapy for decades. And it's not shifting. So I think when modern therapy starts to combine

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Heather Bird: frequency healing with their techniques, it'd be really fascinating to see what comes out of that. So being able to identify. Okay, this person has, let's say, anxiety. And let's say it's because their grandfather blended into them when they were 5 years old, and that's because in a past life

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Heather Bird: they had done that a hundred times. So that's because in their DNA they're predisposed to that. So kind of working on multi dimensional factors of root cause, not just

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Heather Bird: traditional, conventionally accepted diagnosis.

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Jeremy Van Wert: So for the person who's listening

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Jeremy Van Wert: when you're instructing people on how to access pure source. how to

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Jeremy Van Wert: give themselves the healing, because you're a big proponent that we can heal ourselves from a list of maladies. How? What are you talking about?

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Heather Bird: II speak from experience. I not only had some intense psychological diagnosis that I had to overcome. I had some really intense physical illnesses that I healed and opened my eyes like Western Med told me I would never be able to heal these, and they're 100% gone. So if I can heal this, and my hands were tied behind my back, and I can figure this out. I think anybody can figure this out.

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Heather Bird: So

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Heather Bird: do you want specifics like stories about me like what I healed? Is that interesting? Or would it be more interesting if I like, for the people listening right now like, take a deep, deep breath and I'll I'll help you identify one of your root things and how to heal it. Let's do you first and then do that because I need to be really a wonderful thing to do.

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Heather Bird: Yeah, by my young twenties. But probably yeah, by 21 I had spicy Ptsd. And that lasted until early thirties, like

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Heather Bird: debilitating Ptsd, and that's one of the things where? Well, let me ask you for Ptsd. Now are they like our therapists saying, this can be healed 100. Or are they saying you're just gonna need to manage this the rest of your life

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Jeremy Van Wert: case by case.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Honestly, yeah, there, there's depending upon the severity and the and the length of time of the trauma. Yeah.

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Heather Bird: yeah, when I did traditional therapy

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Heather Bird: decades ago. It was like, you're just gonna have to live with this forever. And maybe like symp, it's a symptom reduction model generally. And I symptom reduction kind of goes back to coping skills. And it's learning to manage things and not learning how to completely shift the trajectory of your life, which II completely did. I can just say, like

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Heather Bird: trajectory, that I was going on in my twenties horrifies me

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Heather Bird: like. If that were to continue, I would not be who I am like where I am today. So in addition to the the mental component of a Ptsd and really spice the spicy symptoms that go through that

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Heather Bird: I was. I had a debilitating chronic illness. It was called interstitial systitis, and it was auto, immune and idiopathic. They didn't. They don't know what causes it? And interstitial sisitis. The symptoms are bladder infection.

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Heather Bird: and I hope you've never had one. Jeremy. Don't don't do that, for the people out there who have had a bladder infection. It's peeing fire. It's incredibly painful. And for 6 years I had debilitating

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Heather Bird: pelvic floor fire, and it was it was so painful, and in those years, like I was like, I'm ready to not be alive. I wasn't suicidal. I didn't. I never wanted to harm myself. I did not want to be alive in a version where I was in this much pain, like it was that debilitating

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Heather Bird: and and that was one of those things like, Oh, autoimmune diseases. We don't really understand it. You're just gonna have this forever. But maybe we can give you like some pro Zac. That was the extent of of the therapies available.

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Heather Bird: and I was able to rip the Bandaid off, and 100%

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Heather Bird: heal from from a condition where people are not supposed to heal from.

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Heather Bird: In addition to that, I've just had, like gosh! Let me think

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Heather Bird: twice in my life I've broken my dominant hand, my right hand, and I've learned to do everything with my left hand. I've broken my right arm, and then the day I got the cast off. I broke my left arm. II had to learn how to walk again as an adult in a foreign country.

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Heather Bird: I've yeah. I've just kind of g10, my goodness! Remembering some of the other insane, physical, challenging things I've gone through.

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Heather Bird: And the good news was that really toughened me up. It made me really excellent at pain management, but going through a series of like really extreme physical symptoms. Not only does it take me like a wide bandwidth for my patients, but demonstrating like, Wow, if I can heal these things that are not supposed to be healable, anyone can heal.

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Heather Bird: demonstrate. So as a group. Let's take a big, deep breath in. You're talking about identifying pure source. Let's start with that. So you can think of pure anything pure water, pure air, pure love. Kinda tap into yourself and find a space where.

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Heather Bird: if it was 100% pure, if it could never harm you, if it could only heal you. What would that be

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Heather Bird: if you could be your best possible version of yourself at this exact moment, in time.

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Heather Bird: here and now, what would that be like, even if you don't have the answer, just starting to open yourself up to that question, what is something that could heal me and never harm me.

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Heather Bird: and who would I be? What trajectory would I go on? How would my life change if I shift it into a dimension where I found my best possible version of myself, and at this moment I started operating it from

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Heather Bird: and comparing and contrasting. What do you want less of at this moment in time. Scan your body head to toe. What are your squeaky wheels? What do you want less of right now?

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Heather Bird: Lovely breath! In! What do you want more of right now, at this exact second, what is going right in your life? There are hundreds of thousands of mechanisms happening in your body. Perfectly right. Now.

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Heather Bird: what would you want

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Heather Bird: to delete? What would you want to edit out? Would you? Would you want to remove from your life?

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Heather Bird: What would you want to increase. comparing that to your favorite version of yourself and your best possible self.

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Heather Bird: Oh.

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Heather Bird: what would be added, what would be taken away?

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Heather Bird: And then, if you could spend 1 min a day, 5 min a day.

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Heather Bird: having quiet time to spend that profound time with yourself.

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Heather Bird: and start to listen for an answer. An answer is a Perk. It's really the journey. It's really just spending time with that question that changes your trajectory.

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Heather Bird: So what came through for you, Jeremy.

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Jeremy Van Wert: you were talking about my

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Jeremy Van Wert: of highest self, and

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where do I feel the most powerful? And it's changed over the last

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Jeremy Van Wert: several months as I've changed in a lot of things and kind of pictured myself around a campfire.

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Jeremy Van Wert: leading people in a thoughtful spiritual experience.

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Jeremy Van Wert: helping people with their sense of belonging and their sense of wonder at their own potential. And I felt myself in this very organic space.

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Jeremy Van Wert: in, in, in that and that. That's that's a very different vision than I would have seen a year ago.

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Heather Bird: If I can give feedback

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Heather Bird: for a moment. Imagine. Instead of these are patients. Imagine their various versions of Jeremy. and you are guiding yourself

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Heather Bird: to where you want to be.

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Heather Bird: I think spatial, referencing. Other people can be really helpful like. If if you think you understand something, teach it. And by the time you've taught it, you definitely understand something right? And this I feel a lot of therapists will get into therapy because they're really trying to heal themselves. Is it right? You've?

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Heather Bird: And so instead of using other people as

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Heather Bird: a reference point, shifting that back to you and seeing. Okay, like.

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Heather Bird: if you are one of the many, Jeremy's around the campfire. And then the Jeremy who was speaking the Jeremy who was guiding.

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Heather Bird: is your best possible version. You're completely awakened enlightened version. So if you sat down with the campfire, what would that Jeremy have to teach you? So you're using yourself to spatial reference. I think it is beautiful and humble to help other people like. I think altruism is really essential.

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Heather Bird: and it's one of the few spiritual shortcuts we have to evolving. If you can help someone like pure altruism, not trying to help yourself.

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Heather Bird: It's one of the ways you can like more quickly ascend. But in general, people want to help other people because it helps them understand who they are, and it helps them learn about themselves.

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Jeremy Van Wert: Yes, yeah. II would. I would say that another

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Jeremy Van Wert: piece of this is letting go of some darkness that I've been carrying with me for a while.

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Heather Bird: I'm gonna pause. You! I'm gonna split hairs

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Heather Bird: framing it that way. It's your fault you're saying I should. I should let go of this darkness, and I should have done it long ago.

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Heather Bird: and that puts all the burden on you. I just wanna reframe that because when I scan people, that's not what I see in people. I see that they have been completely hijacked and strangled by this darkness, and the darkness is like using their fists. And they're like, why are you bunging yourself? Why are you bundling? Why haven't you let go of the darkness yet? Like, if we could, clearly we would have so just framing that in a way where it's not your fault.

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Heather Bird: Could it be an interesting opportunity? Yeah, is that like, would that change your trajectory? Sure, but using it like from the frame point of this is something that has hijacked me. And now I am aware that this darkness is hijacking me versus like this is, I have a choice. Should it stay, or should it go? If you had the choice, I promise you you would have gotten rid of it all already. It's only because it has hijacked you and tied your hands up that you haven't gotten rid of it. So once you can see

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Heather Bird: it is tying you up, then you can very quickly see. Oh, this is the chinks in my armor where it got in, and this is how I'm so pulling complete I can't exist with this frequency anymore.

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Heather Bird: I just don't like to to victim blame. II think.

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Heather Bird: in America the last, maybe 1015 years of Buddhism.

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Heather Bird: This aspect of Buddhism has gotten really trendy of victim blaming like there's something, and I need to learn it, and once I learn it, then I'll be better, and then I will evolve out of it. And the reason this is happening is because I need to learn this lesson, and that's just not what I see when I scan myself, and when I scan other people.

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Heather Bird: If your favorite version of yourself is wise and kind, why would it want to torture you with lessons like giving your favorite version. You already know all the answers do you get?

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Heather Bird: I'm not under the bus. I love some, especially the meditative aspects of Buddhism. There's so many beautiful things I've just seen this trendy thing

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Heather Bird: like, I said the last decade in America, where it's like, oh, what lessons do I need to learn from this thing? I'm going through where it's like, I'm dumb, and I need to be educated. And that's why my spirit is creating negative experiences. I don't see it like that. I see frequencies coming in, hijacking people and their symptoms and consequences of those distortions.

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Jeremy Van Wert: And and so when you're talking about this, are you talking generally about the person being able to

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Jeremy Van Wert: intentionally raise their frequencies intentionally, rise up intentionally, start emanating more energy and light to to rise above what what there is is it? Would that be a way to explain it?

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Heather Bird: Yes, and your question answers it for you, because the way you're saying it, you're describing it in a visual way. You're using your hands so like frequency was here. And then, you guys it up use a light which is a visual so for visual people, they're gonna connect in with that

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Heather Bird: for people who are kinesthetic, they feel things. I might explain it differently for people who are auditory, or people who smell things like I would scan the person and kind of be like, oh, Jeremy, your visual. So I'm gonna help you understand this in a visual way.

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Heather Bird: Ii said a moment ago of like

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Heather Bird: I tell all my patients as 5 min a day. Have quiet time. If you can do more, if you can do 4 h like that's great. If you can't, if you can do 1 min. If you can do 5 min, you can drastically change the trajectory of your life. You can drastically change your frequency resonance. It doesn't have to be hard work. It does have to be a little cognizant like. I don't want people playing on their phones while doing it, but

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Heather Bird: if you're someone who does great with gardening. I'll tell you to like. Go garden while you have those 5 min. If you love taking showers. If you love, I don't know cutting your toenails like. Find a place in your life that you already love doing that like you love washing the dishes. So I'd say, Okay, while you're washing the dishes like, enjoy like those minutes, and really connect in and be like my favorite version of myself. How would I be washing the dishes, and you just start to broaden your horizons of where you're

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Heather Bird: currently resonating. And then this.

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Heather Bird: this game of attrition, the right saying, I can speak for me like things were rough when I was little, and things got more rough and things got more rough, and I can see this beautiful orchestration where I got tougher and I got tougher, and I got tougher. So as you spiritually ascend, it does require a profound toughening up. One of the basis of spiritual is, you have to be able to tolerate yourself. You have to be alone with yourself.

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Heather Bird: You have to be able to do 5 min a day of quiet time. That would, if you would have told me that when I was 21, that would have sounded like torture to like, meditate for for 5 min, meditate at like, be alone in my own skin with my own thoughts. That would have been horrible for me. That's why. Now I'm very kind, and I'm like, do it while you're gardening. Do it while you do it in a way that's reasonable for yourself. But if I came from a place of

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Heather Bird: And I've I've been able to go on a 10 day. Silent meditation. I can regularly meditate and absolutely love it. I think this is accessible to anyone. The more grit somebody has, the more they can stick with it. The people who can actually do 5 min a day, because I said this to everybody, and maybe

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Heather Bird: some people can do it for 2 weeks, because before they forget or they lose interest, maybe some people can do it for 2 or 3 months, or 2 or 3 years before they kind of Max out their spiritual resonance.

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Heather Bird: So I really, the people who really fascinate me are the like the long term people who can consistently keep working on their trajectory

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Heather Bird: for for years and years and years.

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Heather Bird: This isn't a good or bad. Just people fascinate me. Say, someone comes to me and they're like, I have new pain, and I'm like great. Let's say the reason you have new pain is, your grandmother is blended into you. So we get the grandmother blended out of you. We teach you some Pt. Exercises. I recommend a couple

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Heather Bird: supplements, and I tell you 5 min a day, quiet time, and you do that for 3 weeks, and your knee pain is completely gone, and you say, thanks, heather, audio, great memories. I will be thrilled that we had that interaction, whereas some people they come to me for knee pain, and then it's been 9 years, and they're still with me. And they're like, Okay, we did the knee pain. And then let's say we did my eczema, and then we got rid of that, and then we did my depression, and then we did my menopause, and then we did

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Heather Bird: all these other things, and they're able to keep raising their spiritual resonance there instead of using an excuse like, Oh, someone's in menopause, and now they're too busy. They're too upset to meditate and work on themselves like. Is that a valid excuse? Sure.

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Heather Bird: So it fascinates me. The people who have all the excuses, as all the rest of us do, but they still keep evolve, spiritually evolving.

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Jeremy Van Wert: This is this is all so wonderfully fascinating. And and you know, when

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Jeremy Van Wert: I remember you talking about, you know, we used to live near each other in a small town in the mountains called Michigan Bluff.

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Jeremy Van Wert: and you used to. It's a it's an old mining town, and there was silver and gold mining going on all around here. There's mines under the the ground, and everything like that. You used to see people out here that were walking around that occasionally didn't know that they were dead.

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Heather Bird: Oh, yeah, this one time I was going to the airport and leaving Michigan bluff at like 3 a. M. And I walk out in my yard, and it's just a cemetery. There's just

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Heather Bird: dead spirits, as far as my eye can see. And I'm like I'm just trying to go to the airport another time. And all this years ago I had. I put on an event where I was like, I just gotta clear up all these like gold mining ghosts, like all all the people who just don't know that

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Heather Bird: they can cross over to a better existence. And so I helped everybody in that vicinity. I love working with dying people and people who are dead. I think a disservice of Americas. We haven't taught people how to die. So my 2 questions, whenever I come across death and dying are.

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Heather Bird: do you know you're dying? Do you know that you're dead. And do you know where you're supposed to go? Because sometimes people just don't know that they died and other times they know that they died. This one's really common. They know that they died. They don't know where to go. And so, because of my dear, near death experiences, I've been to the other side. So I know. Kind of like a doorway I'm like, go through that door. That's where you want to go. It's paradise, it's it is heaven.

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Heather Bird: Please go through that door. And as soon as I kind of point them in that direction like instantaneous. yeah, that's where I wanna be.

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Heather Bird: That's frightening to me like I wouldn't want that. No, I mean, I wouldn't want that to happen to me that I was in some limbo place, and I didn't know what to do.

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Jeremy Van Wert: You know that sounds that that sounds awful.

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Heather Bird: Yes and no, depending on how how you died in America. It's really common to be in a hospital and really, really drugged up.

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Heather Bird: So when you die, you're just kinda high, and you don't really know what's going on. So I bump into a lot of ghosts who are just kinda stoned. They're just whether they had dementia. And then they were giving a lot of painkillers, so they're not exactly measurable compared to being in heaven, like, you know which one you would choose.

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Heather Bird: some of them, let's say someone who died because of suicide, but they were completely miserable, and an entity on the other side convinced them this was going to make them feel better like. If you die, your pain will be over.

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Heather Bird: Unfortunately, what I see with most suicides is the way you die is how you are on the other side. So if you were miserable while you were dying, you're probably gonna be miserable on the other side. If you were awake and blissed out and happy, you could cross over to the other side and still be like awake and happy.

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Heather Bird: mundane, numb blank. So their whole life they're just kind of going through their emotions, and they die, and the death is just going through their emotions. And now they're a ghost on the other side, and they're just going through their motions. So it doesn't mean every single ghost out there is scary or is scared. There's a wide variety of of experiences. It's just reflected, and how they live their physical existence. Before they crossed over

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Jeremy Van Wert: you had talked about knowing

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Jeremy Van Wert: who your daughter was going to be before she came to you, and is, that's just such a beautiful story that I've heard to tell. I think just once.

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Heather Bird: yeah, in years past, like she. She floated around me for 5 years before I was ready to be like, okay, let's let's make this happen. And th those

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Heather Bird: earlier years where I was just like kids, yes or no. I get like, go through a period where it's like, I don't think kids are for me like I shouldn't have kids. Or maybe I'll have kids and kind of

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Heather Bird: normal email questions that go through your head. And I was in Hawaii.

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Heather Bird: I am at a Masa Jotti event, and I was like driving through beautiful Hawaii, and the clouds part, and, like these sunbeams, come down over this

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Heather Bird: you look beautiful. This is interesting. And then she leaves. And I was kinda horrified. And I was like, I thought I didn't want kids like, I do want kids. And so for years, here and there, she would just pop up for a second. Be this beautiful sparkle and be like you're gonna love. This is gonna be the best thing that ever happens to you.

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Heather Bird: This goes on 5 years, and I just got into a point in my own personal evolution. Like I had healed all my diseases, I had healed all my mental burdens, and I highly recommend this for anyone who's gonna go into parenthood, clean all those burdens up. Parenthood is so much more fun when you're not dragging around Ptsd, or anxiety or depression, or just being out of space and time, and not being present

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Heather Bird: if you're present through parenthood, like changing the diaper, is delightful. Waking up in the middle of the night to breast feed couldn't love it more. That wouldn't have been possible if I had done that when I was younger, and I was still burdened by all those distorted frequencies.

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Heather Bird: So I got to this place where I just felt really clean, and I kind of slayed all my dragons. And so I just started doing things on my bucket list. I I read Warren piece. I was taking French lessons every week. I climbed Mount Whitney. I ran a marathon and I was like, Okay, I'm I'm running out of things like I've traveled the world over 3 or 4 times like, I'm what is my next adventure?

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Heather Bird: And when she came into physical density. I was. I just climbed on top of Mount Whitney. It's the highest peak in Continental, us and I this is my first major like.

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Heather Bird: I've been kinda athletic. But this is like my first really, major back to backing trip. And I get up to the top. And I'm looking around, and it is just an insanely beautiful vista, because you're so high up, and you can see for so long. And I'm up there. And what strikes me is how much it reminded me of my spirit. Body.

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Heather Bird: like my physical body, is very dense. My spirit body has no density, and so I'm up on top of this mountain, and I'm looking around and like there's no density up here. This is really cool to look and see nothing like down way down there you can see stuff. But up here there's just no density. And that really reminds me

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Heather Bird: crying my eyes out from happiness. And I was just like, I do really want to have kids. And I need to have this kid now like this, like the time, is now, and I just felt her being like her spirit enter me, and I got pregnant immediately after that and then I the Marathon. I ran a marathon a week, a couple of weeks after that, so when I was pregnant I ran silence.

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Heather Bird: oh, I just forgot the name of it. The to the sea, redwoods to the sea, where it's like you start in the redwoods of San Diego San. Oh, my gosh! I might begin tired.

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Heather Bird: Santa Cruz, and you run through the redwoods, and then you land at the ocean. So I just had this like really beautiful start with my daughter, my first daughter Sky, of welcoming her into my body, and then running a marathon with her.

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Jeremy Van Wert: That's that's amazing. I'm kind of like trying not to get emotional myself just just thinking of it, because it's just so

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Jeremy Van Wert: you know you tell a story like that. There's there's so many different. There's so many different

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Jeremy Van Wert: meanings to a life, and there's so many different things that we do in our lives. And so, you know for you, when you're working with people and your

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Jeremy Van Wert: having people who are, I don't know, maybe wondering what they're here for, wondering what their mission is, wondering what it's all about.

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Heather Bird: How do you talk about that sort of thing? II get this

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Heather Bird: all the time. I think that is probably the number. One reason people reach out to me, and I don't think they really understand it. They know they want to feel better. They wanna feel okay. They wanna feel content. They wanna feel satisfied. Maybe some of them even want to feel really abundant. And so they call me. And they think like, Oh, I have

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Heather Bird: Neepane. I have some barrier, and once this new pain is gone, then all my problems are gonna be solved. And I'm not minimizing their experience because II have been exactly where they are. But I start off with a 1 h phone session. Follow up to 30 min, and by the end of it the questions always kind of get around to like.

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Heather Bird: okay? Well, if we've sorted out that me pane. Then, like what? What am I supposed to be doing with my life, or what is really going to make me feel satisfied? Make me feel abundant.

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Heather Bird: and my answer. II wish it could be

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Heather Bird: more beautiful. People don't necessarily like this. Answer right away. I think the one and only reason we're here is to experience density.

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Heather Bird: and it might sound more interesting if, like our reason to be here was to experience love or altruism, or

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Heather Bird: to save the planet. And I'm not saying those things aren't valid, but your intention and your motivation for anything that you're doing is only going to take you as far as that motivation. So

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Jeremy Van Wert: hmm.