Tony Miltenberger shares profound insights on the essence of disciple-making and its vital role in a Christian's identity. He emphasizes that disciple-making is not merely a church ministry but an integral part of being a Christian, urging listeners to actively engage in this process. Tony recounts his journey from a Catholic altar boy to a pastor, highlighting key influences and experiences that shaped his understanding of faith and leadership. He discusses the importance of being intentional, relational, and reproducible in disciple-making, advocating for a personal approach rather than programmatic methods. The episode also touches on the significance of establishing disciplines in life to overcome distractions and deepen one's relationship with God, ultimately leading to a more impactful ministry.

The podcast episode presents an enlightening discussion between Tammy and Tony, addressing the challenges and joys of discipleship from a deeply personal perspective. Tony reflects on the pivotal moment in his youth when his father instilled in him the principle of hard work and perseverance, encapsulated in the phrase, 'I will do today what others won’t, so I can do tomorrow what others can’t.' This philosophy has been a cornerstone of his life, shaping not only his approach to personal growth but also his leadership style as he navigated the complexities of ministry and personal faith.

As the conversation unfolds, Tony shares his journey within the church, highlighting key mentors who have influenced his understanding of discipleship. He speaks fondly of Charles Causey, who played a significant role in his spiritual development, teaching him the value of making disciples who can in turn disciple others. This relational aspect of discipleship becomes a recurring theme, as Tony argues that true discipleship goes beyond formal teaching; it is about building authentic relationships that encourage individuals to grow in their faith and share that journey with others.

Tony's passionate advocacy for discipleship as an integral part of every Christian's identity resonates throughout the episode. He challenges the conventional notion that discipleship is solely the church's responsibility, asserting instead that it is a fundamental calling for all believers. Listeners are encouraged to seek out individuals who are faithful, available, and teachable, emphasizing the importance of nurturing a culture of spiritual growth and multiplication. The episode concludes with practical insights on how to effectively engage in discipleship, encouraging listeners to embrace their role in God's mission and to create meaningful connections that foster spiritual development. Through Tony's insights, the episode serves as both an encouraging narrative of personal faith and a compelling call to action for listeners to actively participate in the Great Commission.

Takeaways:

• Tony's father taught him a valuable lesson: do today what others won't, enabling tomorrow's success.
• Disciple making is not merely a church program; it is an essential Christian identity.
• Discipleship involves teaching others to follow Jesus and to teach others in return.
• People seeking discipleship should be faithful, available, teachable, and hungry for growth.
• Tony emphasizes the importance of morning discipline in transforming daily life and relationships.
• He believes the next church revival will emerge from the workplace, not just the church.

Links referenced in this episode:

• follow2leadcoaching.com
• instagram.com/twmelt

Companies mentioned in this episode:

• Ginghamsburg United Methodist Church
• Centerville Grace

Well, Tammy, welcome to the podcast.

How you doing today, my friend?

I'm blessed and highly favored, as they say.

I'm excited to be here.

Thanks so much for having me.

I've heard that before, actually.

Blessed by the Lord.

That's so good.

So I love to ask my guest this question, Tony, what's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

The best piece of advice that I've ever received came from my dad when I was being rather obstinate around some homework.

Some people would say I was being a frustrating teenager.

And so he gave me a piece of advice that I would then go on to have to write for him numerous times.

And the advice is this.

I will do today what others won't.

So I can do tomorrow what others can't.

What that.

Yeah, it's.

And I now I'm a big, sticky guy.

So I love stickies.

I use them all the time.

I've since then, kind of another.

This is honorable mention because you sent the questions ahead of time very graciously.

And so the other one that I got is less cool.

It's from a movie that I don't recommend.

It's not a holy movie.

It's not a good.

It's not even a good movie, but it's a movie nonetheless.

And so I feel bad it's not a Tony original.

I'm not even going to tell you the movie because I'm so embarrassed that I watched it.

But the quote is this.

The quote is this.

Is the juice worth the squeeze?

You know, is the decision.

Is the decision you're about to make and the tension it's going to put on your life worth what it's going to get out of it?

Because a lot of times in life, in ministry and anything that we do, the juice is not worth the squeeze.

But yet we put ourselves in a position to be juiced anyway.

That's very well thought, actually.

I love that.

So I'm always curious, you know, people in your life who served as an inspiration for you or the mentor on your journey.

I was discipled by somebody who is now the.

The Deputy Chief of Chaplains for the United States Army.

His name is Charles Causey.

And Charles was my first spiritual father who showed me what it means to make disciples, who can make disciples.

A little bit of my story is that we did marriage retreats together throughout the Midwest, and he really poured into me, and I came in to his office every morning, and we read scripture together, and we talked about the pursuant of God and what it means to follow Jesus.

He was probably the person, the first ever person to really shift my philosophy that there's a big difference between knowing Jesus and following Jesus.

Love that.

So you gave us a little bit about people that influence you.

Tell us about your journey, and I was curious about your pastures.

What led you into the ministry, kind of your journey from ministry?

As I.

As I've been going, yeah, I.

I think the best place to start is when I was in sixth grade, I knew that God had put a calling on my life.

And so I was in an orthodox kind of faith.

I was in the Catholic Church, and I was an altar boy, and I was serving one Sunday morning at mass, and there was an old priest who was there to kind of fill in.

And one of the things that happened that day is he.

We were going to bless the.

The.

The congregation with holy water.

You know, kind of a renewal of our baptismal promises.

If you're from an orthodox tradition, you probably experienced this before.

You take a bowl full of holy water and they kind of sprinkle it on you with an evergreen leaf is kind of the.

The way that it was done, like a spruce branch.

And so I'm sitting here and I'm.

I'm hanging out, waiting for mass to get over.

I mean, we're in the middle of mass, and we come to the point where it's time for the blessing, and this old priest points his kind of arthritic hand at me and tells me to come here.

Like, he's like.

He's like, come here.

And I was like, me.

And he was like, you're the only one else up here, bro.

That's not what he said, but that's what I was thinking, and that's what his face indicated me to believe.

And so I came over there, and he said, listen, my back really hurts.

I cannot bless the congregation with the holy water.

You're going to have to do it.

And I was like, excuse me, what you want me to do what?

He was like, just take it and flick it on them.

They'll know what to do after that.

And Keith, I'll tell you that I began to walk up and down the aisles using that holy water as an instrument of God's grace.

And the spirit of the Lord came on me, and I could feel his presence in a very palatable way.

And I knew that God.

I knew that God was doing something, and I couldn't describe what it was then I would, I would begin to discern a call to ministry.

I thought for sure I was going to become a priest.

Like, I had it in the bag.

Like, I was hanging out with the priests at the Catholic high school that I went to.

And then my junior year, I met this girl and she ruined everything.

No, she became my high school sweetheart and I was like, oh, I think I like her a lot.

And.

And she was my high school sweetheart.

We would eventually get married and.

And I knew I wasn't going to be a priest.

And that kind of began the ministry process.

And there's a lot of twists and turns that go over the next years.

We would get married in O3.

I would be deployed to Kuwait and Iraq.

From 04 to 05, I would do that marriage ministry that I spoke about earlier.

And that was also the year that I left Catholicism.

So I left my Catholic roots in order to join the Methodist tribe and kind of been hanging out there ever since.

I was very blessed to be a lead pastor for seven years.

And then the Lord released me from that calling and now I.

I'm bivocational, which is a fancy way to say that I do all the jobs.

And so I do executive coaching and podcasting.

And then I also do.

I'm a part time pastor of Disciple Making at a church called Centerville Grace, where I sit under the supervision of an incredible leader, Pastor Dave Holmes.

So that's my story, man.

Did you say Alabama?

No, like southwest Ohio.

Tip City, Ohio.

Ginghamsburg United Methodist Church.

Pastor Mike Slaughter.

He's written a ton of books.

So if you're in the Methodist drive, yeah, probably they used to do a conference called Change the World.

I was able for that.

I was there with a leadership group, if I'm not mistaken, since 20 years ago.

But Galilee was doing a leadership group there.

And I believe that's one of the churches that we went to because of their amazing discipleship program.

And so I'm pretty sure that was one of the teaching churches I visited way back in early, early 90s, maybe.

No, that would make perfect sense.

That would be it.

That would make perfect sense.

Yeah.

For a church I ever got into, like had.

I think if I remember, almost 80% of its members were involved in some.

Some miniature format.

And it Couldn't keep track of, worry about what was working because it was just so impressive to kind of see what was happening.

And actually, actually came a book by Mike Slaughter, I believe, probably.

I look, I listen the man put out some books.

He's written like 34.

Like he's, he's killing it.

So he's a great guy and I was so thankful to sit underneath him.

Yeah.

Cross.

I love that.

Yeah, it's pretty.

It's a pretty incredible part of my story.

And I, I know that I wouldn't be here today is without Ginghamsburg, so I'm super thankful.

Yeah, it was a pretty impressive ministry.

So tell us about your executive culture.

Yeah, I walk alongside faith driven executives and entrepreneurs, helping them kind of seal their identity in Christ, release control and embrace peace.

And so what that means kind of in layman's term, is that there's a lot of people who are leading at a high level that feel all alone.

And so I get to walk alongside them.

I get to talk about Jesus and do the Jesus stuff.

If they want to, we don't have to, but if they want to, that's kind of where I tend to lean.

And then help them live a life of integrity.

And integrity is a funny word because when we think about integrity, we think about always being honest.

But what I want to suggest is that integrity is more than just being honest.

It's about being integrated.

And so when you can take all of your life, the same person you are on Sunday, and let that person exist on Monday, make money on Tuesday, take care of your kids on Wednesday, and do all of those things, then and only then are you truly living a life of integrity.

So I usually call it being authentic, but authentic without integrity, though, somebody you want to follow.

So.

All right, that's 100% right.

And, and you know, most of the leaders that I work with are, they just struggle at a deep level with the pressures of their work.

And so being a pastor to those leaders, being a guide to those leaders, really the Holy Spirit, as you know, does all the heavy lifting.

I'm just kind of along for the ride and try my very best to be a vessel and stay out of the way.

But it's an incredible opportunity.

And I think the next revival in the church is actually going to come from the workplace.

And so I'm super honored and humbled to be a part of that.

So tell me about your.

Your podcast, Forgetable Lead.

Yeah, you know, man, I have been podcasting for five years.

How long have you been in the Podcast game three.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's, it's a grind.

Podcasting is a lot like preaching.

If you've never done it before, if you've never done either one before, then the most important thing you need to know is that it comes every single week.

A podcast is due out every single week, and a Sunday comes every single week.

So it is a, it is a grind.

But in the process, you end up getting like a doctoral education and in my case, leadership and, and meeting people and connection.

And so every week I do an interview based format 90% of the time where I ask leaders what it means to follow Jesus and lead at a high level.

So been super, super honored and humbled with some of the guests that I've been able to talk to and what that looks like.

And it's just been, it's been a real joy.

It's.

It's one of those things that I love to do and I fell in love with the process along the way.

And so one of the things I say on the podcast all the time, which is true not just in my own life, but about the podcast, is that if you aren't dedicated to your disciplines, you'll be destroyed by your distractions.

Interesting.

Yeah.

And so disciplines are the guardrails of life.

And for me, podcasting has just become a discipline that brings me so much life.

I won't ask you your favorite podcast guest is because I'm sure a lot of guests.

What's your favorite episode?

I mean, it's like choosing your favorite child.

Keith, that's not fair.

Come on.

Why are you asking such hard questions?

Listen, I'll tell you what.

I recently did a podcast episode with two of the, like when I got into podcasting, I wrote a list of like the top 10 people I wanted on like, like dream guests, like big names in the Christian leadership world.

And this year I got two, two of them on the list.

Right.

And so I, I would be remiss if I didn't mention them.

Annie Downs.

Annie F.

Downs, who hosts a podcast called that Sounds Fun.

She was on the podcast recently and absolutely adored our time together.

She's a wealth of wisdom.

She was so good.

I think that's episode.

Gosh, what episode is that?

Like 350 or somewhere around there.

And then that was pretty profound.

The other guest that I had on that was, that was in the top three of all time guest lists that I really wanted to get was episode 379.

It was Bob Goff.

And Bob Goff is.

If you don't know anything about Bob Goff.

He's a best selling author.

He wrote a book called Catching Whimsy that comes out this year.

And I had the unique honor of having him on to talk about that book.

And then I actually afterwards he and I connected.

I went out to his retreat center in California and got to know him even better.

And it was just really crazy.

By the way, Annie Downs episode was number 368.

So Bob Goff episode number 379, Annie F.

Downs 368.

Both of them have led to things that I never could have imagined.

Right.

I don't Keith, when's this episode coming out, do you know?

Probably early.

I feel really comfortable telling your audience this will already be public.

Annie Downs and I have, have teamed up.

I'm actually going to be a part of her podcast network starting in January.

The that Sounds Fun Network.

So she has an incredible team of people who are podcast nerds just like me and probably you as well.

And so I'm super excited to be a part of the that Sounds Fun network.

And that was a result of this conversation that we had.

And so it was so good.

You know, these conversations, they're just two people connecting and doing life and then you never know what'll come.

No, that's very true.

I got a chance to interview approach.

I never thought I interviewed not a Christian leader, but he actually was a Christian, but that wasn't what he interviewed about.

Tom Hardman the author WILL Times Bill Southern AUTHOR so, but further action talking about his new book about the American dream, which was kind of interesting.

That's, that's crazy.

Right?

And so you, the thing is you just don't ever get to write those things up.

You don't get to like, like, oh, I didn't have on my bingo card this year that I was going to hang out with Bob Goth and become, you know, and get on a podcast network with Andy Downs.

So there you go, There you go.

So you never know God's going to do it to podcast.

Well, I, I, I think it's probably a larger testament if you don't have a podcast.

Maybe you never want to do a podcast, but if, if you have the courage to walk by faithful obedience, anything can happen.

And that's the thing, like your, your version of good, your version of great pales in comparison to what God can do because we have such limited vision.

That's the thing that I just, the Lord just keeps revealing to me over and over again.

Tony, whatever you think, you know, stop thinking it and surrender to me.

No, that's.

That's so amazing.

And I reconnect, I think, on social media, just this.

Your idea.

Topic of discipleship is one of the things that I know my church body struggles to define.

And it's one of the things that's always compassionate to me, because to me, it's part of my goal as a pastor, was how do I pour into my people so that they carry out the.

The unique mission that God gave them.

Our church body is conservative itself's heart because we are very clear as to who is.

Who's able to preach and not preach.

And so we sometimes limit our lay people's ability to be God's light in the world because they can't preach.

So we gotta always utilize their gifts and talents to the utmost outside of just preaching on Sunday morning.

Yeah, that's good.

That's good.

Can I rant for a little bit about disciple making?

Please?

Okay.

All right.

So listen, just hold your hand up if I go too long, because I.

I love to talk about.

It's my favorite thing to talk about.

So first and foremost, if you're listening to this and you're a Christian, this is what you need to know.

Disciple making is not a ministry of the church.

It is an identity of the Christian.

Just like evangelism.

Evangelism is not a ministry of the church.

It's an identity of the Christian, of the Christian.

And so that means that evangelism and disciple making is your responsibility.

Your pastor cannot do it for you.

We don't need a committee to do it.

You just gotta go and do it.

Now, this is where we fall into trouble, Keith, is that a lot of us haven't done a good job of defining what the word means.

And so I would say this disciple is someone who said yes to Jesus and is following Jesus.

Discipleship is teaching someone about Jesus.

What we do on Sunday morning, discipleship, that Wednesday night, Bible study, discipleship.

Disciple making is teaching someone how to follow Jesus and to teach others to do the same.

Teaching someone to follow Jesus and teaching them how to teach others to do the same.

Right?

And so it's walking alongside them, rooting them in scripture, and teaching them how to multiply.

If we don't ever get to multiplication, you're not a disciple maker, you're a disciple watcher, right?

And that's the thing.

And.

And here's the.

Here's the deal, right?

Matthew 28, Jesus says, Go, therefore, and.

Mike.

Dec.

Mike, disciples.

What am I From the South.

I'm not, I'm from the Midwest, South, South, Southern people.

Now I would know.

I just kind of all of a sudden this, I started, I was going.

And this twang kind of came out.

It was bizarre.

Anyway, so Jesus says, go therefore make disciples of all nations, teaching them to obey my commands, baptizing them in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, and surely I'll be with you always to the very end of the age.

So there is a clear command from Jesus that every single one of us are meant to be disciple makers.

And that's tool based disciple makers where we walk alongside people and we teach them how to teach others to follow Jesus.

We don't need more orphans in the church.

We need spiritual mothers and spiritual fathers.

And so this is the, this is kind of one of those burdens that's transformed my life.

Right.

I know this is kind of where we lean in on this podcast.

I would not be doing the work I am today if it wasn't for one on one disciple making.

Jesus didn't build a platform, he built a community.

And it's so important to know that making disciples is one on one, one on two.

It happens in intimate moments.

And it's all about teaching someone to go and do the same.

How do we do that?

And I'm looking to produce it's just a program because I think a lot of times we try to find, where did I find the threat to do this?

How do I build the relationship to do this?

Well, so good disciple making has three elements to it.

It's intentional, it's relational and it's reproducible.

Right?

And so when we think about this, we have to be tools based and not programs based.

The first thing you know about a program is that it has a beginning and an end.

But when you think about being a parent, spiritual or physical, there is no beginning and there is no end.

I'm still the parent to my 18 year old child who just came home for Christmas break and now thinks he lives at a resort, right?

Like that's the truth.

I, I'm still his parent.

Praise the Lord.

I'm thankful to be his parent.

That doesn't change, right?

There's no end time here.

There's no if this, then that what it is is instead it's a constant nuance of the relationship.

His relationship at 18 looks way different than it did at 14 and looks vastly different than the way it did at 4.

But that the, the, the relationship, how it plays out, changed, but the relationship at its core Never changed.

And so what I encourage people to do is tool based disciple making.

So here's a great example.

The scriptures are a tool.

We use the scriptures to make disciples who can make disciples.

So if I was discipling you and you are unfamiliar with the scriptures, you and I would read the scriptures together and then I would teach you and maybe some sort of tool how to read the scripture, maybe it's inductive Bible study, you would go and practice that, then you would come back and you would teach that back to me.

So now I know you got it, right?

Once I know you got it, you can give it away.

That's the beautiful part.

That's what Jesus did.

Luke, he sends out the 72.

He says, Go, go out and practice and then come back and let's talk about it after every sermon he preached.

Come here, let's talk about it, right?

And instead what we've done is we've kind of reduced following Jesus to something that we do on a screen or from a pew or on, in our earbuds.

And while those are valuable tools, it's not as important as the relationships that push us back towards following Jesus.

So because it's not a program, you don't just do it all with one person, go, hey, I did it.

I decipher somebody, I'm dead now, right?

Once that person taught you and you know, they get it, you go, okay, who else can I go find now and do the same thing with?

And so here's the thing.

Once you're a spiritual parent to someone, you don't get to cut them out.

Like, it's not like, ah, well, you, you've made it.

There's guys that I've discipled.

This, this guy named Zach, who's one of my dear friends.

I did his wedding as a, as a pastor.

I did his wedding.

He was an atheist at the time.

Then during COVID his grandfather died unexpectedly.

One of the dearest men in his life.

And he showed up at the church one day and he said, hey, Pastor Tony, can I talk with you?

And I was like, absolutely, Zach, come on in.

And so he comes into my office and he begins to talk about the pain and the fear.

Now I began to talk about why I'm not scared.

I began to talk about the kingdom of God.

And then I began to talk about the grace that comes with Jesus.

And there in my office, he says, I want that grace.

He accepts Christ.

He accepts Christ in my office, which is, by the way, if you're a pastor, that's like the dream come true.

You don't even have to leave your office, bring somebody to Jesus.

And then for the next couple of years, he and I walked together every single week or twice a month.

And he learns what it means to follow Jesus.

Now I'm no longer the pastor at that church.

He's now on the board at that church.

He's making disciples in the church.

And he and I get together once a month for lunch to talk about what God is doing in his life.

Like, he's still my spiritual child, but he doesn't need as much supervision as he did when we started.

And he's out doing his own things.

Like, I got spiritual grandchildren now from him.

Keith, it's so good, right?

But it doesn't mean that I get to get rid of them.

And.

And because disciple making is a part of my identity, it's not just something that I do.

It's part of who I am as a Christian.

I'm never off the hook.

And as a matter of fact, the more you do it, the easier it gets.

I imagine by the time I'm 70, I'm going to actually do it.

Well, that's funny.

So for someone who's thinking, this is a great thing, how do you.

What's the first step to find someone to look for, to disciple?

We always say they got to be fat and hungry, right?

Fat and hungry.

That's the people that you're looking for.

Faithful, available, teachable, fat, hungry.

What's God doing in their life?

So a lot of times we have bad pickers, right?

Meaning we don't pick well.

We don't select people that want to be discipled.

Well, and so that person's too busy.

That person is getting ready to have a baby.

That person's blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

There's thousand reasons why it's not a good season.

So faithful are they.

Do they already know Jesus?

You can't disciple someone who hasn't said yes to Jesus, right?

If they haven't said yes to Jesus, they need to go in the evangelism category, which is important.

You need that category.

You need.

You need to do that work.

But it's not the same as disciple making.

So that's faithful, available.

Do they have space in their life to do the work?

Right?

Do they show up to meetings or do they cancel?

Do they do the homework or do they cancel?

Do they make excuses why it's not done?

Are they available?

Right.

So faithful, available.

And the last one's teachable.

And I know you know this already, Keith is That, like, there are so many people in your life who are just stubborn, stubborn mules.

And I was that way.

I would not have been easily discipled in my twenties because I was.

I was so young and so dumb.

Right.

Is that I just thought I knew everything, just asked me.

And so faithful, available, teachable.

Those are the three traits we're looking for.

And the hungry part.

Hungry for what God has in store for them.

Hungry for transformation.

I.

They want something different.

Those are the people that you're going to have the best success with.

So what's the most rewarding thing about what you do right now?

Besides we talked about the one you said.

But there are other things that just gives you such joy in what you do.

So.

So here's the thing that nobody, that I would have never guessed.

I was a lead pastor for seven years, and I loved that church, that congregation.

Those folks are some of the salt of the earth kind of folks, and they're just amazing people.

When I left that church, I wasn't sure what it meant for my identity in Christ and my identity in ministry.

And so over a couple of years of kind of figuring it out and starting this business, you know, the, the beautiful part of where I am now is that I get to make disciples and help people follow Jesus everywhere that I am, right?

And so people are like, hey, Tony, are, you know, is it.

Are you sad that you're not doing ministry full time?

And I'm like, what are you talking about?

I'm doing more ministry now than I ever have.

And, and the Lord's generosity is in all of it because people actually pay me for it, right?

And so, like, it's, it's wild to think about, but I'm doing ministry.

And listen to this.

There's no buildings, there's no budgets, and there's no bishops, right?

And so, like, I'm just footloose and fancy free following Jesus.

I feel a little bit like John.

I'm just a voice crying out in the wilderness.

Make disciples.

Bring your whole self to work.

Follow Jesus and you know, on.

On earth as it is in heaven.

That's the juice, man.

So I, it's.

It's changing my life every day because I'm walking by faith in new ways.

His obedience is, Is so rewarding.

It's so kind.

I'm.

I'm so thankful for what God's doing in my life.

That's amazing.

I'd love to ask my guests this question, and you kind of alluded to it, but here's the drill.

Down bit where do you want your legacy?

I want my legacy to be the same promise that God made to Abram.

I want your spiritual descendants to outnumber the stars.

I want it to be like grands of sand on the beach.

I want to one day get to heaven and see somebody that I had the opportunity to disciple, who discipled more people than I could ever even imagine.

And say, and say God used me to be a part of him and him and him.

Right?

Like, that's the juice, man.

Like, I want spiritual descendants.

Of course, I want natural descendants too, when my kids are old enough.

Right.

Like, but like, I want.

I want my grandkids to love the Lord, but I want my spiritual grandkids to love the Lord too.

That's great.

I love that.

So, as we.

As you wrap up our conversation, I'm curious.

Where do you want the key takeaways for the audience to hear from our conversation today?

That's a good question.

You know, Keith, I think that there are a couple things that are important for everybody to do.

One is you need to know this, your identity.

If you identify as a Christian, if you're here and you've raised your hand and you say, I'm on Team Jesus, if you're listening to this, then I need you to get out there and start making disciples.

And it's going to be ugly at first.

You're not going to know what you're doing, but it doesn't matter.

The only way to get better with the tool is to use it more frequently.

So get out there and start making disciples.

Pray about who God will put in your life that you can pour into on a regular basis.

One of the things that we say at Centerville Grace is that no one walks alone.

And that's my prayer for all of Christianity.

No one walks alone.

So that's the first thing.

Make sure that you're legit making disciples.

There's no excuse.

Do it.

Second thing, or else Keith is going to beat you up.

Second thing, if you aren't dedicated to your disciplines, you'll be destroyed by your distractions.

There are a lot of people who are living this everyday life, either as Christians or non Christians, who set themselves up for failure by not having a plan for the moment they get out of bed.

So I just want to challenge you.

Get disciplined with your mornings and watch how it transform your day.

Get disciplined in your time in the Word and your solitude time and your prayer time, your gym time, your family time.

Get disciplined in that stuff and it will change everything.

One of the activities I do with my coaching clients is I, I ask them to take 30 days and pray with their spouse.

And when they start just doing that, that one little one degree shift, marriages are healed, relationships are restored, things become new.

And so whatever your disciplines are, sort through them, get intentional and see how God works in them and through you.

Love that.

Where can people find your books, your podcast and connect with you on social media?

Well, this is breaking news.

I'm just telling you all the tea today.

I'm spilling all the tea today, Keith.

Because this is what isn't what a great interview does.

He brings out the tea in people.

The Jews brings out the tea.

The working title, I don't know that I'm allowed to share the title yet.

It's about your wounding.

Let me just say that it's about your wounding and it's all about why we need to touch our wound and what it means to be healed in Christ.

And so I would love, love for your listeners to connect with me and be able to purchase the book or pre order the book as soon as it becomes available.

The best place to do that is on my website.

Follow the number2lead coaching.com and you can connect with me there or on Instagram.

I'm really active on the insta@twmelt tw m I l T.

I'm actually pretty embarrassingly easy to find.

Well, Tony, thanks so much for sharing and you got to come back on when the book goes goes live so we can talk about the book and break it down and have a brief discussion about that.

I would love that, Keith.

Thank you so much.

You're so good at what you do and such a privilege to connect with you.

I deeply appreciate your time and your willingness to let me ramble my big old mouth on your podcast.

Well, you did a fine job of talking about a topic.

Deal with my heart as well.

Love discipleship.

So thank you for what you do and blessings on the book.

Thank you.