We're putting Blackfriars Theater front-and-center as the spot you absolutely don't wanna miss at the Rochester Fringe Festival — it's an intimate downtown venue doing 100% local, ambitious theater and serving up a wildly varied Fringe slate that literally has something for everyone.

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I sat down with Brynn Tishka and we talked through the highlights: late-night Blackout Bingo with Mrs. Kasha Davis (drag, improv, and fabulous prizes), Misery Loves Company (improv folks riffing on Stephen King — yes, really), family-friendly acrobatics + dad jokes in Well Balanced Dads, a $5 puppet show of classic tales by Jose Ortiz, and Songs to Drink Wine To (think flirty arias with a prosecco wink). If you like improv that's equal parts clever and chaotic, Unleashed Improv’s Other People’s Shows will roast and promote whatever the crowd picks from the Fringe guide, and Jim’s Big Ego teams up with author Sean Peters for a delightfully unpredictable wheel-of-songs Q&A jam that can be funny, thoughtful, or both. A little backstage context: Fringe is a multi-venue arts festival (Sept 15–26) where venues host visiting and local acts that push form and take risks, and Blackfriars — with wraparound seating that keeps you no more than 20–30 feet from performers — is built for that closeness; you feel every laugh, gasp, and sweat bead. We also geeked out about Blackfriars’ season plans (Eureka Day opening, The Full Monty over the holidays) and how the theater balances supporting local artists with bringing in national acts — plus yes, they finally got a liquor license, so Fringe nights can include a drink or two.

Bottom line: go to rochesterfringe.com and blackfriars.org, pick a few shows (or a whole subscription — we won’t judge), and come see why we think Blackfriars is a Fringe must-stop — I promise you’ll leave smiling, maybe a little wiser, and only mildly tempted to do the Full Monty dance yourself.

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Well, that music means it's time for another episode of Just Can't Not.

This is part of our preview for the Rochester Fringe festival, happening on September 15th to the 26th in scenic downtown Rochester, New York.

Go to rochesterfringe.com to get tickets for all the events, and you want to get to as many events as you possibly can.

And I'm here to talk to one of the venues where you should definitely get tickets for guests.

Why don't you introduce yourself?

Hello, I am Bryn Tishka from Blackfriars Theater.

So why don't you describe where Blackfriars Theater is, and then we'll start diving into the shows.

And what is the theater all about?

Yeah.

So Blackfriars Theater has been creating 100% local art in downtown Rochester.

We are in the arts district.

Most people know where Jim's on Main is.

We are directly next door.

In fact, we share a parking lot with them.

And our whole thing is making ambitious, locally produced art theater that also engages the community.

Well.

And that kind of dovetails very closely to what Fringe ethos is.

I mean, it kind of.

It's exactly.

It's kind of a one on one Venn diagram, as far as I'm concerned.

It's a circle.

Yeah.

So let's talk through some of the.

Let's talk through some of the shows that are at Blackfires this year, because I know every year it's a different slate.

You might get some returning people, but you get a lot of variety as well.

So let's talk through some of the shows that are coming to Blackfriars this year.

Yeah, we really do have a lot of variety.

I mean, it's been, I think, I want to say, eight years since we were a Fringe venue.

You know, Covid hit, things got weird and everybody had to do what they had to do, especially community theaters, to, you know, keep the doors open.

But we are in a place now where we are able to support outside, outside acts when we can.

And we've got our liquor license now, so that kind of feels like it adds a.

An extra fun little element for the fringe crowd.

But, yeah, we have a great mix right now.

Most of the shows just, you know, a touch of background.

I'm the artistic director of the theater, so I personally chose the shows, and my whole thing about choosing them was what would I want to go see?

What.

What am I really intrigued by, and what would maybe my kids want to go see?

So that we've got really good mix for a lot of different people throughout the city.

I mean, I don't want to, like, rank anything, so I'll just kind of take them one at a time maybe.

Yeah, go for it.

Yeah.

So I'll start with our artists because we do have not just people who we're partners with as an organization, but also artists who have performed with us a bunch.

So, yeah, it's exciting.

We've got Blackout Bingo with Mrs. Kasha Davis of RuPaul's Drag Race fame.

I mean, you're not going to get a more dynamic performer as well, like somebody who really cares about both the local scene and bringing high quality entertainment to all ages.

Correct.

Yeah.

We do also host her Imagination Station show, which is the child reading series free, by the way.

So check that out on our website because it's really a lot of fun and we have a craft and all that.

But for Fringe, bringing Blackout Bingo, which I'll just.

Probably not for the whole family.

That's fair.

It's a later night fringe show, so that's the one to do when you're like, oh, we just got out of the 7 o' clock show.

What are we gonna do?

Grab a drink and then come over to check out Kasha at Blackout Bingo.

And it is, it's a bingo show, comedy, some improv, some audience participation, and of course, fabulous prizes, some of which I've heard about and are actually fabulous.

She's getting some.

Some great donations from local venues and things like that.

So that's Blackout Bingo.

And then we've got Misery Loves Company, which we're very excited about.

This was something I just.

I read about quickly and immediately sent them an offer from the Fringe site.

Probably should have done my research more.

But this one is featuring nationally renowned improv artists Joe Liss and D. Ryan of Second City fame, the Office United States to Terror Strangers with Candy.

These people have been nationally renowned improv artists for a long time and they do a take on the beloved horror film Misery.

I'm actually really excited to see that one.

Like, what a concept.

I'm a huge Stephen King fan and the movie itself is amazing, but, like, what an opportunity to play these.

This giant character and then, like, play off of that.

How much fun.

Exactly.

And apparently, you know, it changes the.

The story and the plot a little bit, but how fun is that?

Yeah, yeah.

And to turn that psychological, Psychological thriller into an improv comedy, I think is hilarious.

Yeah.

So obviously that one's a lot of fun.

I, I didn't realize this, how, how big of a deal it was that, that they had accepted, but the second that we applied and that they responded that they were going to take it on the fringe.

Director Erica Fee emailed me like 30 seconds later like, I cannot believe you guys got this act.

What a big get for you guys.

So we're super pumped about it and we've already met them, they've come to the theater.

It's going to be a lot of fun.

That's fantastic.

Yeah, I'm pumped about it.

And then we've got, for the kids, you know, we've got well balanced dads, which I am probably geeking out about the most because I happen to be a big dad joke fan.

Okay.

It's dad jokes with acrobats.

I mean, that's engaging on so many different levels.

What's not to love, really?

I don't know.

In my readings about this particular fringe act, people just say how they leave feeling so light and how it's just so much fun and you know, what a great time they had just laughing and kind of wowing out about the tricks and things like that.

But it's just like a light hearted chance to kind of let the weight off and laugh a little bit.

Yeah, that one is family friendly also, so that's well balanced, dads.

And then we've also for the kids, we've got three short stories, a puppet show, and that one is also with a local artist, Jose Ortiz, who was one of the stars of our production of Once on this Island.

Okay.

Which we were very excited about.

That was a few years ago.

And he's, he's coming back with his puppet skills to give us some Brothers Grimm, some Greek fables, some ace of fables.

So that's going to be a fun one for the family.

At $5 a ticket, it may as well be free.

Absolutely.

1.

I also love those kind of stories for kids too because, like, there's a lot of stories for kids at this point that are really very sanitized and very light and just there's only light and bouncy.

Like all those classic stories, they have a little bit of those elements of danger, a little bit of those elements the kids really gravitate to.

Like they don't want just light all the time.

Like it's an exploration of feelings and exploration of life.

Absolutely.

And this one does, I mean, the Brothers Grimm stories we know go there.

He's also got King Midas in there, so we know that's, you Know, got a lesson to learn.

Absolutely.

Which is good.

So, yeah, that one's three short stories, a puppet show, and another local artist is performing Songs to Drink Wine to Prosecco Edition, which a very fun, flirty arias and art ballads.

And that is performed by Sophia Mustafa, also one of our artists who starred as Emily in Liaison Dangerous.

Doing my best French, I'm sure.

I just.

Pretty good.

But for everybody like me, that was Dangerous Liaisons, which we produced a couple of years ago.

And so we're very excited to bring her back.

You know, part of our.

Part of our goal here with.

With anything that we do is to support local artists.

So I think we've got about half and half on this one.

Nice.

But, you know, that's one of them.

And she's doing a great mix of art songs and arias, primarily Italian, but also featuring a few other countries.

So this is one of those ones for, like, the Brenda Tremblay fans on wxxi.

There you go.

This is for you.

And the other local group that we have, probably one of the ones that people have heard a lot about is Unleashed Improv presents other people's shows.

I love the idea on this.

It's like, what a fun idea to take on and also what a challenge as a performer to, on the fly, interpret other shows.

And I love those kind of challenges because they're so.

It's so aggressively silly of an idea.

And I love that.

Taking a silly idea and taking it to the top level of it just makes me very happy.

I know.

And it's this wonderful mix of, like, a gentle ribbing.

But also, like, they are promoting your shows.

Yeah.

Basically, like, you don't know who's going to get promoted that night.

It's only one performance, so come and see it or you miss it.

You know, I mean, it would be like a preview channel on cable, except for the whole time, they're just like.

Like, roasting CSI New Orleans.

Like, what a great thing that would be.

How entertaining.

Exactly.

You see it and you're like, maybe I do want to see CSI New Orleans.

I don't know.

But they do.

They're like, make sure that you have a lot of fringe guides, because that's where the audience picks the titles from.

So we're like, well, we got them.

We're ready to go.

But it really is.

It's like 100% improv.

And if anybody hasn't seen Unleashed at Blackfriars performing before, because we do host their shows, it is a riot, and it is so impressive.

I. I am not an improv artist.

I don't know anybody else out there.

Maybe you are, but I am amazed by people who can do that.

Just come up with such smart comedy on the fly.

And there, there's just, it's.

Sometimes it's even really moving or really like makes you think.

And then all of a sudden they just turn it on its ear and everybody's dying.

But you were like 3 seconds ago I was getting really philosophical and now I'm laughing my butt off.

Well, I think that's also, I mean, it's something I've talked a lot about this year for Fringe previews because I spent a lot of time Rochester last year, Pittsburgh earlier this year.

There's this element of earnestness, right, that.

Oh, it can be serious for moments.

It doesn't have to be pure lightness all the time.

There's this honesty and I think that's the thing I love about it most is you can go see a one person show that is honest but takes you on this roller coaster of ups and downs.

You can go see something that is very serious or you can do something that's very light, but there's, there's this beautiful opportunity for, you know, the purity of artistic expression because a venue wanted it and it doesn't matter if it's all one thing, it can be the gray areas of life, which is the ups and downs.

Exactly, exactly.

And it's.

So that's one of the wonderful things about Fringe too is like, even if it doesn't end up at your venue, you're going to go see it, you're going to go have fun and maybe, you know, you can come to a Blackfriars show and then like right down the street there's going to be one over at Soda and you can like walk back and forth and it's really.

That's part of the greatness about it.

You can make a whole day out of it if you want to.

Yeah.

And you definitely should.

I agree.

Absolutely should.

And then I'm trying to look here, I've got my little notes about all the shows.

I know we haven't talked about Bright Threads yet, which is the Mount Hope World Singers.

And I, I mean, I wish I had a ton to say about this, but it's world music, you know, it's.

If you haven't experienced songs from, you know, northern UK or, you know, wherever, Africa, they've got literally every continent represented except, you know, the ones where there are no music, probably no Antarctica things, but they've got so much Representation, and I really love that.

And, you know, the group is large, so it's impactful when that music hits you.

In our space, I don't know how much people know about blackfires, but it's pretty intimate, like for a theater, but one of the larger venues for Fringe.

So even though you're coming and you're probably guaranteed a spot just because we are one of the larger venues, it is like all wraparound.

So there's.

There's audience on three sides of the actors.

Oh, wow.

Or the performers.

So wherever you are, you're never more than 20ft from the stage, never more than 30ft from an actor or an artist who's on the stage.

And so, you know, you're seeing the sweat, you're seeing the real emotions.

It's really fun.

Well, that also has to be.

That also has to be such a great.

You know, there's so many venues that, you know, the artist doesn't feel the feedback as very on top of them.

Right.

There's rooms that are.

They're just dead sounding rooms.

And, you know, something you hear stand up comedians talk about a lot is a room that sounds lively, even if it's a smaller crowd.

You know, for reasons outside of your control, that you can still have that feeling of an audience being on top of you.

You can feel the reactions and it changes the way you perform, having that feeling.

And that's a choice of how the theater's laid out and a choice of how the seats are laid out to make that impact of the audience raised up.

Exactly.

And that's very much our space.

You know, it impacts the artist, but it's.

I've always felt that it also impacts the audience.

You know, one of the things that our patrons love about the theater is that it is so intimate and it.

The audience's participation in the show that's happening changes the show and they become an extra character in the show because of it.

And if you're on the stage, which I have been several times, it is wonderful that there can be a small house.

For us, a small house is like maybe 30, 40 people.

But you are hearing that applause because it is five feet away from you.

You're hearing every laugh.

It's 10ft away from you, which is really great.

At first, as a performer, it's like, oh, gosh, they're right there.

But then you do learn to love it and you learn to really appreciate that intimacy.

Yeah, well.

And I see that the last show that we haven't talked about is actually, I had the Chance to interview them already, which was so much fun.

It was like one, you know, I told the story during that show, but like, I actually had listened to one of, you know, Jim's songs as a kid on one of a compilation albums of these, you know, novelty songs.

That meant a lot to me as a, you know, a kid that wasn't very social, a kid that wasn't very.

Didn't feel connected to a lot of things.

I was certainly not.

Not in the popular crowds or being in those things.

And those kind of things gave me so much comfort as a kid.

And I got to tell him that and talk through it with just this amazing concept of both improv, engaging with the audience and amazingly talented musicians.

All randomized, but all in the moment.

Like, what a beautiful expression of both music improv and engaging with the audience all in one show.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, first of all, I love that personal story that you got to say that to him.

And like, what a small world.

Right.

It meant a lot to me too.

Like being able to say that to somebody that filled part of that hole in you as a kid.

It just means a lot.

Yeah.

Especially, I mean, like just thinking about.

I mean, I don't want to repeat myself, but what a small world it is.

I mean, like, for anybody who didn't listen to that episode, this, that they're.

They're a group from Boston.

Like, how.

How odd is it that you would have heard their music and that would affected you so.

And then they'd end up on your podcast years later.

So.

Cool.

Yeah.

But like, the show itself, this was one of the first ones that I kind of slated for, like, immediate offer because it just sounded so unique.

I mean, several of the shows that we picked for Fringe blend different mediums and different sorts of theater to create what they're doing, which I think is really cool.

But this one in particular, you kind of don't know what you're going to get at all.

Because while it could end up being very funny and very fun, it can also end up being very meaningful or very thought provoking, moving, which I thought was really interesting that you kind of don't know what you're going to get or maybe you're going to get a blend of all those things.

I just was.

I thought that was really interesting.

Yeah.

And it's kind of.

I guess this one feels as much fringe as a show can possibly be.

Right.

And it's kind of show one I'm super excited to go see because obviously my ties to it, but also that this is.

It's kind of emblematic of, you know, the challenges of any creative pursuit.

Right.

Like, you know, both of them are authors.

Right.

The.

And the.

The person who's doing the improv part on stage.

You know, the band has toured and done all these things, but all that's really hard.

It's really challenging to be an author.

It's really challenging to be a traveling band, you know, to tour, to do those things.

When you have a full time job and you have to have a full time job.

And then that ability to find this other avenue that might be the thing that engages you to a new audience, that builds some of that other thing back up too, is we all have all these different angles we have to take to take our passion projects and keep them alive.

And it never stops.

Right?

That stuff never stops.

And it's the stuff I feel bad about all the time as somebody who's super passionate about the things that I do is you can never.

You never feel like you're giving it enough.

And that's why I always respect people who are pivoting and trying to figure out what is the best fit for me in this time of my life.

Yeah.

And I mean, just.

Just for anybody who doesn't kind of know what this show is already with, what we're talking about is this band, Jim's Big Ego, who takes their music on fringe shows now as well, not just concerts, but they also pair with author Sean Peters.

So what they do is they show up at the venue, they have this big wheel of songs that they've written.

And I want to say that the genre is like sort of alt rock, but it's also rockabilly.

I've heard blues in there.

I've listened through a few of their albums and it's like really a lot of everything.

It's really diverse.

I think the way they described it was unpopular.

For the unpopulous.

Yes.

And I like that because it does cross genres.

And, you know, some songs are funny, some are.

Some are hey.

Or a little bit.

Some are a little bit bitter, some are a little bit this, and they kind of run the gamut.

Yeah.

And there was.

I mean, I rocked out to one that was like almost a little trippy and felt like it should be like cinematic in a movie.

And I mean, you know, granted, I had had a glass of wine, but like, I was really relaxing to it and it was really nice.

But so what they do is they have this big wh of their songs that they've written.

And then a patron of the show comes down and asks.

Or they.

They ask a personal question, something they want answered, and they spin the wheel, they play one of their songs, and then author Sean Peters offers an answer to the question based on the combination of what he's gaining from the song and, like, kind of just interprets it.

And it could end up being funny, it could end up being meaningful, who knows?

And then at the end, they do this big jam song of, like, all the questions.

Com.

Just really cool.

Yeah, it's.

It's just.

I don't know.

I was enthralled talking with them, and they're both.

I mean, both Sean and Jim were just genuinely fantastic people to talk to.

Like, they're.

They were so kind, and it was.

I said, a very memorable interview for me, but also just like, it's amazing when you meet those kind of people and they're like, oh, they're as kind and as.

As cool of people as you ever hope them to be.

It's so rare where everybody has these preconceived notions of all the people that they might revere or people that they've listened to.

And it's something about the Rochester scene as well.

Is that one?

In many ways, it's very accepting, this whole art scene.

And it's not this amalgamation of what is referred to as an arts scene.

It's the people who are doing the work, it's the venues, it's the creative people that make that live.

It's not the fact that Rochester itself is that.

It's individual people that make these things happen.

And it's something that I have found very, very rewarding is being involved, you know, helping creatives get their voices out there, do that stuff.

I have to imagine from your side actually being in being on the creative side and being able to, you know, facilitate an actual venue for the people has to be very rewarding thing to look back on.

It absolutely is.

I mean, any chance that we can have to foster not just local arts, but to be a home for any arts is a real honor.

Yeah, it's a privilege, really.

And it's not one that we're able to engage with all of the time, just by the nature of how small our theater is.

Like, we are constructing sets as we're rehearsing.

So, like, we're not able to host outside Axolot because, sorry, you'll be performing in a construction zone.

So this.

This particular moment when we get to do Fringe While we're also opening our season, it's like, okay, the theater's clean.

We've got these dark days of the show we're already doing.

Let's throw Fringe in there, and we're going to make it a crazy September.

But it's going to be such a beautiful, artistic September.

And, like, how exciting is that?

Yeah.

Well, let's talk about the kind of shows that Blackfriars usually does.

So you mentioned that the season's coming up post Fringe, so let's talk a little bit about the kind of shows that are typical.

It's not fair to say typical, because I'm sure they are diverse in many different ways.

Let's talk about the kind of shows that are in this season.

Sure.

I mean, I almost wish it was post Fringe, but we actually open on the 10th and run through the 20th, so it's all happening at once, man.

Wow.

It's a wild September.

No, but it's going to be really great.

So Blackfriars produces six shows in its subscription season, and typically two of those are going to be musicals and four of those are going to be plays.

We have a selection committee that helps us choose a really diverse range of different plays based on how we can get different performers into the theater.

We want to represent different voices.

As far as authors go.

We want a good mix of comedy and drama, usually a lot of comedy, because we know people need that right now.

I can't imagine why.

I know it's a time when people need to let go and laugh a smidge, and we are quite aware of that.

So you can expect a lot of that.

Even though what we want to do is make people think, even through laughter.

That's what we want to do.

And that first show that we're going to open with, our 77th season with is Eureka Day.

So it's.

It's got something to say.

It's.

It is.

It discusses mandatory vaccinations for children in school.

It does it in a completely hilarious way, and it does it in a completely unbiased way, which we loved.

Yeah.

Because, you know, obviously, as an arts organization, we have certain opinions.

And what.

What my partner, Mary Tavali Hoffman and I both loved about this play was it made us go, oh, I hadn't thought about that.

Oh, wow.

And it made us really consider both sides of this argument, which I Think is great.

And then obviously we got some great stuff lined up.

I'm probably most excited about the Full Monty over the holidays.

Nothing to argue about that.

I mean, a classic for a reason.

I know.

And we thought, you know, again, people, people have told us at the holidays they just want to have a good time.

So we are here to provide.

Well, and it's also, I think, you know, it's one of those, like this is.

It's been a show running for a long time, but also it's been, you know, recontextualized occasionally as well throughout the years.

Yeah.

Like anybody who doesn't know, the original film, which is a British movie, is hilarious and it is about down and out dads who try to make money by putting on a Chippendale show.

As you do so.

Yes, as you do so maybe not for all ages, but, you know, bring, you know, maybe high school.

Plus, uh, you don't really see anything as you don't in the movie.

Uh, and it is a hilarious musical comedy that is just a lot of fun and full of heart.

It's reset in Buffalo with steel workers, but what a good time.

You know, we got a great cast for it.

Well, and it's also, I love that recontextualization of being somewhat local as well, because it's, you know, it's.

It was a working class, you know, it's a working class show, but I love tying it to, you know, those opportunities to tie to local things.

I'm sure you get local references as well, but it was always a working class show.

It was never about, you know, so many of the things out of the UK are about class because it's so endemic to the comedy and the drama of so many of the things that come out of there.

Because it's so endemic to the culture is class first, not necessarily rich and poor, but class.

Well, you think Jane Austen, you think Downton Abbey, you know, those are.

The upstairs, downstairs dynamic is a big part usually.

But this is, you know, Northern England boys figuring stuff out.

And in this case, you know, Buffalo blue collar boys, which we love.

Yeah.

I also love that this, you know, the, these are the kind of theaters you do expect thing, you expect some commentary, you expect some other things as well, I imagine has to be, you know, that's one of the fundamental things is, you know, your audience, you know, the clientele of our area and balancing both, you know, keeping expression as pure as it can while balancing obviously attendance and everything else.

It has to be one of the, one of the challenges of booking the shows is, like you mentioned, Eureka Day.

It obviously has a perspective.

Right.

And that's pretty clear and, you know, obviously gives some context and makes you think when you're balancing those things and deciding, hey, this is a show that suits what we're doing, and we know that it might bring this kind of attention.

How does that process work?

I mean, you mentioned that you have a.

It's a group that's deciding, which is nice that it's not one person being focused upon if something does happen.

But that has to be a lively debate sometimes.

It very much is.

I mean, we're.

We're rarely unanimous about everything we decide.

I will say that this particular season, which is.

Which opens up September 10th, does.

Does contain four plays that were sort of a mixed bag of the shows that we did unanimously agree on and that we were not able to get the rights to for several years.

And then all of a sudden we had this list starting last.

Let's say we usually start in August.

So last August we had this list and we said, all right, well, let's just apply to all the ones that we've never gotten and see if any of them stick.

And we got all of them.

So it's an incredible mix of these shows that the whole committee has wanted to do for at least two or three years each, and we got them all.

So they all, like I said, they all have that perfect mix of, like, wanting to say something but doing it in a funny way and usually opening up your eyes to a.

To an idea you haven't considered.

You think that you're coming to Blackfriars Theater and you're going to get, like, the lefty side of things.

Sure.

It's not exactly the case, actually, which we really love about this season.

Yeah.

So I think we're do we're going to close out for today, but I mean, I'm super excited to.

I'd love to engage another time as, you know, things go on.

You have shows you want to, you know, publicize.

Make sure you send some people over.

I'd love to start building that relationship up a little bit.

You don't have to ask me twice.

Yeah, I love doing this kind of stuff, and engaging with places that are doing it conscientiously matters a lot to me.

So, again, make sure you go to blackfriars.org to look at all of the shows.

You can get a subscription for the whole season.

I imagine you can buy tickets for individual shows as well through the website.

And then you can also see all of the shows that are happening in Fringe.

If you go to the all shows, you can filter on the venue and see all of the shows that are coming coming to Blackfriar for Fringe.

Go to rochesterfringe.com to get your tickets for all of those shows and any other plugs you want to put in.

Bryn, just come check us out.

I promise you're going to have a good time.

I think that's as great an invitation as you can get.

And if you want an invitation, check out other shows on the Lunchadore Podcast network.

Go to lunchadore.org follow some of the new shows Plants and Beets, our reader's advisory.

Also check out Polygoogle Gamble show.

It's been going on for a long time.

He's an amazing radio personality and a great interviewer talking about business and other things.

So check that out and we'll see you out on the Fringe.

This has been a presentation of the Lunchroom or Podcast network.

I will only likely be taking my pants off once or twice during the Fringe Festival.