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Episode 1526th July 2022 • Parts Department • Justin Brouillette & Jem Freeman
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Justin returns from vacation. The guys talk about product design and distribution, Wallaby's in America, and 3D printing.

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  • Baby Pants update
  • Wallaby's in America?
  • LB - Product Launch July
  • LB Printing Success
  • Design In-process Products - Airtable
  • Shapeoko First Op
  • Distribute Products?
  • Markups and Margins
  • Crossbranding
  • Vacation Non-Productivity?
  • Podcast Archiver

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Jem Freeman

Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia

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Justin Brouillette

Portland, Oregon, USA

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oh, this, this is weird.

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I'm just sitting in my little hole in the wall here with the door shut working

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wave to you.

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They walk by and like there's Jem.

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He used to do stuff.

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used to used to be useful.

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Good morning.

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You have glasses

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I've joined you.

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that you just . Did you just get

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Yeah,

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there weren't enough similarities, you know?

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Yeah, I can mess my hair up a little bit here I don't ride into work.

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It's a little different.

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How's it going?

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glasses

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How are you?

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Good Phil to normal-ish I guess.

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well, rested.

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yeah.

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Surprisingly, I mean, I slept in a car a few of the nights, so I don't

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know how great that rest was, but I think I've recovered from that.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Where

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Oh this weird corner of Washington state that seemingly nobody goes to cuz all of

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our friends from the Seattle area were like, yeah, I've never been out there,

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but it's like the Olympic peninsula.

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the upper west of Seattle And it's like the place in the United States that

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gets the most rainfall of anywhere.

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I think maybe Hawaii gets more, but it's a lot.

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it's very different.

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I mean, very green and lush.

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Like a lot of state is, but nice

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done.

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have you been

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done.

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Uh,

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In the winter?

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here.

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yeah

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cold in the mornings, but

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Yeah.

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Castleman, where we are, we get crisp clear sunny days.

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It's quite.

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it's not that wet.

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that's good.

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No, it's been a good couple of weeks.

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Yeah.

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You playing with interesting ways do on the sharpener.

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It seemed like

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I'm trying to dream dream of a five axis.

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Vira hot glue gun made that

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really

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to do honestly.

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little fixture that mounts in the, and has that angled surface.

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So I can machine my stool tops, the female thread on an angle.

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It worked pretty a I think we can make a, a really nice steel fixture.

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oh,

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But all your microphone game just went up, up, up.

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It's back to normal now.

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That's kinda weird.

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It's it's fine.

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Now

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Okay.

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I could just suddenly hear the, everything in the room.

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Oh,

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It's a little personal.

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been fun.

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I've been have, I must say just missing one week of, oh, there we go.

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I can hear your, again, weird

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anyway I must say it's been last week missing a podcast recording.

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it's really like, it's just coming in and out.

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It's really like a stethoscope where suddenly I can hear into your chest.

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great.

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oh, automatically adjust microphone volume.

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There we go.

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stupid zoom doing stuff.

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Yeah, well, whoa, watch this.

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before

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I figured it out uh, stream deck.

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And, uh, I can also do this.

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I've only got two, right?

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I've only got two right now, but on our way.

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Dawn on speed dial.

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That's a dream

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I, I almost got that accomplished when you're like I'm five minutes late today.

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I was like, oh, I might have enough time to add another one.

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But you're saying one week off, not having the

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one week.

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Yeah, no podcast recording last week meant that I had slightly less

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accountability to my early mornings.

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Missed it.

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do it.

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1, 2,

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Didn't

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We're all over the place today.

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Boy, boy.

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what you call a shale?

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One.

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Yes.

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What was I saying?

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Week off.

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one week off and it's a mess.

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Ah, yeah, not being accountable for one early morning.

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Last

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Ah uh,

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meant.

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I was a bit slack with all my early mornings last week.

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And into this week,

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Hmm.

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I found myself feeling a bit down on Tuesday.

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I was like, what's this about?

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I was like, I just, haven't been doing that little bit of me time in the

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I get that.

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I think that couple, even if I only get half an hour in just that little

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bit of off the clock, tinker time,

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R and D has been, yeah, just really valuable to keeping me sort of

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buoyant, I suppose, and not getting too bogged down and just standard

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business activities throughout the day.

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For sure.

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It's like, I don't know, like changing up what you're doing

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every day definitely helps too.

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I've noticed whenever I'm deep into like, just fixing a problem day after day not

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following like not pattern, but just things that are different every day,

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you know you, I tend to get pretty stale and frustrated and my mind is crappy.

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Yeah.

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and type of

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production flowing

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Uh, It was pretty good.

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Ricky actually had some time off too.

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So we had a couple days of nobody here, which was interesting.

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It hasn't happened in a long time.

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The printers been pretty good.

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We ran outta filament.

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Actually, Bruce took a little longer to get us fillment again than we expected.

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So I had a few days of downtime and then Ricky kept it going while I was gone.

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He's currently making some of those chems rest right now.

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You can kind of probably hear that, but,

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shook, hand.

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is it loud?

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It's.

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no.

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Yeah.

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Other than that, we're just kind of, we've been finalizing the

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last production details of Do you glue this thing into plate or does

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it get, press fit, like stuff.

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That's just trying to scale it up.

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But the orders have kind of kept coming in.

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They slowed after the weekend and then haven't had any since Friday.

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So I don't know if I pissed off Google or something, but yeah, it happens.

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but they've, they've

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launch.

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Yeah.

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I've been happy about that.

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I've got a couple more potential options to like I figured out a way, I think

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somebody had recommended, maybe you said this too, to just offer reducers for

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people can only do four inch ducting.

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I've got that coming up as an option.

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You'll be able to buy that and we'll send you a reducer with it.

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cuz it needs like a little piece of five inch flex stuck to come with it

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and you don't want to go buy 20 feet of it for yourself if you need six inches.

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So we'll just cut off a little bit and um, I'm hoping that brings in

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a few more and trying to get more people that machines want test it.

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Yeah, for out into the world.

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for sure.

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That's I was Josh was doing some printing here yesterday demonstrating

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a melt in M three thread cert.

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I was really impressed with how well it held into the pet print.

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Amazing.

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Cool.

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do you melt it

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I think he was using a sold line.

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Interesting.

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Yeah, I've bought a couple of those.

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Remember the one I showed you, the one for the side drilling, those are intended

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be melted in, or press in I've just smashed them the point where they need

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to be melted and they stay on their own.

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Anyway.

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of

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Mm.

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yeah, those are awesome.

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figure out more ways to use that I really like it.

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Yeah, I was just really impressed.

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Like

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I think

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and

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wrestle it out with a

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in to

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Yeah.

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Soldering, iron's a good idea.

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I wanna

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you buy filament through

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Prusa?

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Is that how that works?

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Trying to find some alternatives because they're a long ways away.

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and we already had one scenario where we ran out.

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So, it's and, you know, I've had a couple people ask me, Ricky, ask me.

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And when I got back from vacation, he was like, why don't we get another printer?

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because we can do, you know, only a couple a day if we're really on it.

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And like today we had a, it just had a layer shift of first time ever.

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It totally shifted over about, I don't know 40 millimeters up probably.

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And so that was crap.

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And it had been printing for four or five hours already.

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now we've lost one, now this one will finish, like when we're

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probably laying in bed, you know,

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yeah.

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So I can't start another one for the

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Do you run it

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we have been.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, which freaked me out a but then I did Googling and it seems as if

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there's really been like no examples of PERA's causing fires so far,

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Yeah, we in our studio, the art studios that in there who ran

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some

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Oh, wow.

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we were doing some research at the time and we found these like fire extinguishers

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that look like soccer balls, and you can kind of Mount them on the wall.

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yes.

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I can't remember if we used them in his studio, but I ended up buying

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some for here and I've got them in our dust extracted bag, house outside.

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And so if the dust collector ever went up, there's like these

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two soccer balls mounted inside there that will just explode.

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You some interesting.

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Have you, you haven't had it happen, I assume you haven't been

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no.

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I haven't

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tested them,

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Make it go boom!

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but I feel good that they're out there.

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yeah, we have to like, re-certify our fire extinguishers.

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And the last time I did that, I asked the, the vendor about those.

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I was like, have you ever seen these fire, the soccer ball fire?

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He's like, yeah, they're cool.

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They don't really work though.

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And I was like, is that because don't sell them?

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Or like, you want me buy suppression system.

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I didn't ask that, but I I've seen those videos too, where it like out

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the fire, like with compression,

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alright.

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So my surprise of my trip includes a show and tell we do have all of

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these in the United States states.

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My wife, Erin found, we like went to Seattle on the end of our loop of our trip

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and she just happened to stumble on this like Wallaby farm in the Seattle area.

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And blindfolded me to go there because she knew it would be

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somewhat humorous for us review.

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Because we had just talked, I showed her that clip, but he has all Bino ones,

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this guy uh, which I found to be very strange and maybe unethical, I don't

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know, this guy was quirky as hell.

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like, aside from the ethics, cuz he seemingly sells them.

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And I don't know how I feel about any of that, but he doesn't educational

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program for schools and like educates about kangaroos and wallabies.

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And so he has a few

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awesome.

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think about this?

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Is this weird as

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That looks like a, that that's a

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Yeah, that's a full kangaroo.

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Yeah.

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I think that one's like four years old.

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Does this seem odd and like shady to you that there's here and

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guy's like an exotic breeder.

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do you

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just happens, right?

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Yeah.

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I was a little hesitant to talk about it.

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Cause I was like, I don't want people to think like out here supporting

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some kind of weird exotic animal trade, but it was entertaining.

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I don't think we'll be putting a link into his wallet farm, but you know,

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interesting.

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they are very interesting.

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especially as docile creatures, he was, he was saying that you

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know, like in Australia, people don't have them as pets per se.

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them.

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Oh, I've never patted one patterned one.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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They're not they're not animals

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No, I've had one lick my hand and it's just like a dog.

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Very, very strange.

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I mean, they kind of look like giant Rath as wallabies, but it was,

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you like he has like this one, right?

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Like laying in the shade, hanging out.

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I was like, is that a giant rat at Wallaby?

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Funny

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you go.

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Aaron was like, gem will love this.

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And I was like, I don't know Willie, or is he

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gonna think like we're weirdos

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Yeah.

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It's a bit

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yeah, I get that.

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Yeah.

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As long as the wallabies were happy.

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Yeah.

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That's one thing I They are all very well seemly cared for, like he raises

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them in his house until they're a certain age is just, I was like you

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maybe a little too familiar with things.

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When you flashed up your screen share there.

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And I just saw like thumbnails.

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I was like, Justin, what have you been doing on Dolly of your

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say

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I made myself into wall full of farm.

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Oh boy.

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Also also on the health check, seeing your task bar across the

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top of your screen there with how many little applications and

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There's a few.

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Yeah.

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B

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my Lord.

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I have a little, little too many things.

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I I've always wondered if like I have enough things running in the background

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that it's actually like eating my

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I'm

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computer resources

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Oh, that's good.

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it slowed me down in the dark.

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anyway

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a new head torch, which is incredibly bright,

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Blind

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like a car headlight attached to my helmet.

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It's fantastic.

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That's

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It's been

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The, I, I did hear one growl a little bit in another one.

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It was kind of interesting to hear it.

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Like, I was like up close.

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I was like, Like kind of tough I

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was kind of hoping they made other noises.

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they make pretty creepy noises when you're

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great

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milling around outside.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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Weird.

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Yeah.

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What else is

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growly noise

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someone, on Instagram the other day in a DM.

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They're like, I'm looking forward to the July product launch

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on your new monthly schedule.

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Oh,

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oh, damnit people listen to this.

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That's right.

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there's a responsibility or reliability.

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But I'm gonna call it now recording on the 21st of July, I'm gonna skip it

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Oh,

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yeah, calling it early.

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I at the end of June.

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And I feel like we still haven't given it the justice, like given it the service,

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it requires to be like fully formed.

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Like it's yes, it's online.

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You can buy it, there's still so much work to do in terms of putting all the

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resources online, we still haven't listed the individual components for sale.

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I'm gonna shoot some new photography today of the new configurations

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and then get all of that online.

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So I feel like, yeah, I need to, I've got way more work to do on

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last month's launch before I can just rush out another product.

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Yeah

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I'm supposed to say, like that's not acceptable.

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Right?

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isn't that my role here?

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Yeah, I get that.

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I mean, I do this way too often where I'm like, well,

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we're gonna get this thing out.

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And then it rolls into the next cycle.

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And.

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Yeah, but that's a huge one.

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Like, I, I guess I'm rationalizing for you that a product like,

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what are you define it as?

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Is it another the kit of parts, which is just a minor update?

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your product launch?

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Or always going to be full system of things, which is wild?

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I don't know how

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Yeah, I think

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piece to

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way.

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you know what?

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I

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a

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BREAKING NEWS

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do

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and overtake me and get there in the next week and a half.

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Cause Ben and Josh have got a little wardrobe unit that's well, on the way.

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I saw a prototype being made this week.

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simple.

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Like that's not a, so much a system it's more a sort of standalone thing.

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So that's something that we could potentially get online.

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So, yeah, hold, hold the phone.

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hold

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We might get there.

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stop.

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The presses.

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Hmm

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Don't let this go out.

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Interesting.

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I haven't, I should probably set some type of goal around product launches.

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We actually have, like, it feels like I have an endless be working at the

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moment, product wise, which is nice.

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I maybe I've always felt that way since we started in October doing this, the

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duct tower now is we're getting I'll never be able to say that without a

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laugh quack, we have gone through a bunch of iterations, mostly digital and

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gotten to this pretty nice form that we're getting quoted to do prototypes.

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So I think.

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Could come out next month, pretty easily.

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Great.

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a, it's, you know, it's not a major product say, but it's like, that solves

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a problem for people like us that were using weird ducting solutions before.

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Great.

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that'll be nice.

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The name that I was laughing at.

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It's , it's

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that every

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definitely

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you mentioned now, I just get my mind, just flashes over with all these D images

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things that you've burnt into my retinas,

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that can't be unseen.

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Yes, exactly.

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does the, the tower of duck involve a bit of sheet metal break, press bending.

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Yeah, I just sent you, there's kind of an assembly one slack.

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And then the last two are kind of more closer to what we're probably gonna

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make, where it's got some material relief and part, a big concern for me

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is not adding too much that spindle, cuz it, you know, affects speed and it

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would maybe have too much caner on it or something or not caner, but like lean.

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They're already supporting other stuff and like what we've put on ours, this is

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like really close to that weight so far.

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So,

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Is

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weight to

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this is steel.

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We looked at aluminum, but it was strangely expensive.

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But the weight is super great.

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And also one of the bends, everybody kept telling me you're gonna

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break that if you try and bend it.

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I was like, okay, I don't know how to bend aluminum at all.

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So teach me kind of came back to just steel was if you make it thin

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enough, my only concern is that flopping a little bit, but we'll

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have to see how that holds up.

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a weird game between and strength,

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Yeah.

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I what that

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does your machine have a floating Z access?

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of our float in the Z.

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So

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What

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you

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It's

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you can physically, like if you stand on the table and lift

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the spindle, it'll float up.

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It'll ride upwards on rails.

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In the Z

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I don't really underst uh, do you

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I don't know.

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I mean, it goes and down on its own

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on its own rails.

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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But then, so what would happen?

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Like if you, the spindle was off and you had a tool in the

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spindle and you just drove it in a negative Z down into the table bed,

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Mm-hmm,

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ours will just like hit the table

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access but

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or servers or whatever will continue to go down, but the spend will

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stay where it is and just kind of ride up on this, like sort of maybe

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three inch travel of like safety.

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Weird.

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that makes sense.

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It's really

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I don't think

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machines have it.

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I never heard of that.

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Maybe.

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I, I don't think it but I could be wrong.

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It basically same mechanisms.

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It's on ball screw and it's got a stepper and it has that

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little balancer weight balancer.

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It basically offsets the weight of the spindle.

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That's what that stupid, big looking thing is on the

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That's what that

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and is honestly the biggest problem producting.

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Because it always gets tangled in that.

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And, uh, I always think, oh, I'm gonna either rip my spindle

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down or all of my ducting.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We don't have a weight balancer, but we've got this weird floating Z mechanism.

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yours, the reason that they put it on, they said, which makes sense to

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me is the Z would be limited in terms of its It wouldn't be able to raise as

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the other axes would be able to move.

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So you'd have like a weird limiting factor of like, say you could

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go 500 inches a minute X and Y

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Yeah.

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I forgot we haven't done this yet.

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The inches per minute thing.

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Speed base as fast

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some sense of, yeah.

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So say you, you know, one is 500 X and Y but the then when it would go to 300, so

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it couldn't raise the weight basically.

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I don't why, I you a stepper on it.

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their

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solution

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That's

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interesting.

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which is kind

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That's kind of cool.

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Yeah, I machines are pretty

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wouldn't just put

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like I think our they're limited to 150

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of a solution

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Z

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both up and down

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That's

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in their setting.

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So it's quite, quite slow.

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that was, I mean, there's a bunch things.

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I bought that router, the shop saver intending to bake 3d things.

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And so when I was shopping at that show, And, you know, looking at the BSEs and

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the you'll love this one, there's a machine called the freedom machine, right?

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Freedom Machine, Bleep yeah

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Freedom, CNC or something like new CNC, all the, all of 'em, like it felt to

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me like the best price for what you're getting was definitely shop saver.

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And this is where we turn into a shop, Taber red, ball screws I really liked.

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And then honestly it, whole, like, ZC this, it has 12 of underneath

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the gantry, which is crazy.

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And then also that that it could go as fast in allies.

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And I was brilliant.

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Nobody

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else really talked about it like that.

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did.

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balancer meant

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Yeah, for sure.

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like

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four inches of Z,

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a hundred mil.

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And still all the time?

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Probably like every other month we'll have somebody go, Hey, I've got this part.

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That's like 15 inches tall.

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Can you cut it?

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I'm like, God, I thought I had enough space there.

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You know, like,

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With what

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yeah.

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Right.

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With what a what's funny we to a five axis.

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the only time we run into access hype us height limitations is if we're trying to

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put like big round things on the table,

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Yeah.

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stuff like that, fixer up sort of components.

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yeah, for sure.

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Mm

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no, we've been printing more and more and they um, Josh has on the

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team, how to run the printers.

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I saw him teaching John the other day, how to get stuff outta fusion

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and onto the printer, which has been cool to see that just autonomously.

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And John has machinist has printed some new colors for the pencil shop.

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The other day, just all kind of happened independently of me, which was awesome.

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Mm-hmm

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. got some issues.

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Apparently we have a warning that will end in 10

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10 minutes left.

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We've got this problem in the pencil shop now where cuz we

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pre oil, the stock pre sand

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Oh, wow.

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Whoa.

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three draw trucks do tend to mark just a little bit, depending on how

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like as it's doing the part transfer between the two parts, you can

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get a little bit of a Chuck mark.

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Yeah.

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So John solved that all of his own accord, just by printing a little color,

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kind of the, like the color we made for the square stock, but for round.

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And it's just like this it's a soft drawer.

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Right.

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So it's now got 3d printed, soft drawers top and bottom.

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And it's awesome.

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No more marks.

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And so it compresses directly onto the Dell

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Yeah.

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and you don't get like 3d layer lines then.

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Well, it's so much more surface area than what the chucks were providing

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sense.

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that.

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Yeah.

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yeah.

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What material is it?

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The print.

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Interesting.

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Yeah.

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There's so many things.

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I, Blown away more and more like my assumptions of its durability or strength

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is it depends like depending on how design something, it junk still, but it's

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pretty amazing what they can withstand.

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the drilling jig made and like, honestly, all of the dust boots are

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like, I don't think two years ago, or a year ago before we got all this, I

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would've never thought this would work.

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You know?

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I haven't been able to, I mean, I've squeezed the heck

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out of 'em, but I should.

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Yeah.

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More and more.

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I, nothing is broken on any of them we do have some QA that ends

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up taking out an unfortunate amount of them because they have a little

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printing issue that looks like it could have a de lamination in the future.

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So I'd say we lose.

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Three to four a week, probably at least from blobs and things that just happen.

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And I don't know, I'm, haven't figured out any good ways to like really improve,

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like what, what I would love to be able to do with it is what it, I dunno if you

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watched them enough, but like bars tip.

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And if it, and when it's printing, like the whole one boot by two thirds, the

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way up it'll de like slip into the piece.

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And then now that's defect.

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And what I wanna be able to is like, have it go over into like Bri pad and like wipe

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its tip off little bit then come back.

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Which is probably possible, but I don't know.

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Haven't figured that out.

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Yeah.

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a

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Reliability

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Yeah, for sure.

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Yeah.

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right?

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You could just insert bits of code into the program to do that.

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Yeah.

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The thing I've seen people do, which is really appealing, but Ricky and I

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have talked about, imagine it working.

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You'd have to have a whole nother level is people will either tilt their beds

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a little bit or put them upside down.

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And so once the, once you turn off the heat, you can use the gantry itself to

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push the part off in either direction.

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And so they slide off and you can print again.

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Without basically in loop the code which would work except for the fact that

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almost every time the bed has a bunch of Detroits on it, which we've always

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been really fastidious about cleaning it with like ISAL alcohol, between, and

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keeping that really clean and precise.

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and we never pop which is great.

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So I just, it would be nice so that we could do this thing in the middle of the

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night when it gets done, it starts again.

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But I just can't imagine that they would stick and then we'd have

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like another spaghetti monster in the middle of the night.

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of Virool attached to the gantry.

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That just,

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Oh, what about an air blast?

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That's a good idea.

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Alcohol blast

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Alcohol

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button cuz I'm getting a coffee,

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There you go.

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right?

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Thank you.

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that's good.

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That was some good Foley over there.

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Fully

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Fully, fully

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the call it cock pouring.

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oh yeah.

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It's nice.

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put the lapel mic in the coffee jug next time.

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pour coffee over your mic.

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What happens?

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oh my gosh.

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kicked off

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Set up an ice prop ball, Mister.

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Slash flame thrower

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Please

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how they're gonna say for the, the computers.

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And I was like, I don't know, get it to auto restart.

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Yeah.

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I

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why it's kicking.

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I don't know.

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I've done 15 times and this is the first time today but we've been

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using the same thing the whole time.

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I

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for Anyway.

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I never heard that word until you said that

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are you designing in process products?

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Well, I think I wrote that a couple weeks back, but I was thinking about my process

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for developing things is pretty rough.

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sometimes I make like a Google document or like I'll make an

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actual project in our normal job shop thing, but there's no like.

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I don't have a good place.

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And I think I start to lose I get stuff all over the place.

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It'll be like on my draft app, it'll be on my notes app, my,

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all different places where I'm researching hardware and this process.

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And then I want it to be associated with a project.

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I don't know.

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But do you have something better than my scattershot approach?

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I wish no, I feel well.

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wish I had a good answer.

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I wish I was a little bit taller, wish I was a baller.

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I wish I had a girl who looked good, I would call her.

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What do I do?

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I guess I'm thinking of this now, like we have a couple, which I'm a

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little frustrated with my lack of foresight, like NA and then PXC and C

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product, air, table bases are separate.

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So then all the inventory gets messy

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you got separate bases for

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It just like trying to make 'em useful for each one.

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I don't, honestly, I don't think it was a good choice, but I'm thinking

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now say it all got combined or used one of them like your like butter

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base for, I don't know what it is.

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It's just like, is it just a status thing The product has a status and you filter

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out those in development views products.

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So then it could live with it as it forward, like all development things.

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And I don't know.

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Yeah.

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be the best.

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Mm-hmm

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but yeah, my logic has been to dump everything into one base,

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everything that's thematically

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Seems to

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least

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yeah.

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just put up its tools, overlay over zoom.

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Oh,

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What are you doing that fusion?

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That's that's

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that back, that whole like display thing is always like showing up, the

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browser will show up over top of like Photoshop something and you can't

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get to go away switch back and forth

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Yeah.

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one of my favorites.

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But no, my, my problem systems

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wonky a

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sort of.

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To do project for myself.

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Just the one that I refer to, but I put stuff in there and I don't,

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you know, necessarily go and look in the right places at the right

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time and go, oh, that's right.

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I need to do that.

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So the you use is only accessible by it's a separate

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It's within the company structure, anyone could go in there and have

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a look at it, but yeah, it's a separate base that just, I use,

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Interesting.

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Although I did set up a private base the other day

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for

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manage

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one

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Oh yeah.

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from our quarterly check-ins and stuff like that.

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I used one for house home renovation, my forced my wife into using it and she, oh,

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bye.

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Goodbye.

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Oh,

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our house

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Oh God.

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All right, hold on.

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Nobody will ever know.

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good morning.

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That was instant.

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just start over.

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Oh, oh, I know something.

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I was gonna tell you.

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I think we talked about podcasts, like disappearing, right?

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Like I had that thought yesterday of I was listening to my favorite podcast

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and somebody had mentioned like a Facebook group I meant or something

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about, it was like, oh, I think they're starting to drop off the end.

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Like the beginning.

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You can't see 'em anymore in certain places.

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And I, it made me think like, Ooh, there's this one.

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I really like, I won as an archive.

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I like want it in, you know, when the internet stops working someday in 2050,

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like I want to be able to have all of 'em on a cassette player somewhere.

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Um, or, um, so I found this app for two bucks.

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podcast.

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Archiver for Mac.

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And you just give it an feed just pulls 'em all drive.

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So I have like.

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20 gigs of this podcast on a drive now,

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you're a apocalypse resource.

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I like

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apparently.

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I like it.

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and it.

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down onto a

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podcasts.

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pod, the podcast prepper.

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Very good.

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Oh, then you can get it all pressed to vinyl.

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So it's safe.

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Okay.

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Welcome to Parts Department.

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Uh,

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That was perfect.

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We've had this nice little process.

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I think I've shared, I was gonna make a little real of it, I think.

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But we use our Chipo to do the first operations on our ChemX spaces.

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We basically like machine the bottom with some tabs so that it fits into

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from rough stock into the fixture on the shop Taber real nicely.

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And it doesn't need a second operation, but we figured, you know, it kind of

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works out well, like so that you don't, you have an actual flat side on one side

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and it fits into the fixture nicely.

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And that's been so slick.

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We've got this little like raspberry pie that runs the Shao.

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Now this whole setup where I actually added today.

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I don't know why I didn't think of this.

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The raspberry pie can I think it's, I don't know what it actually runs.

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Some kind of like you bun Uber into thing on its own.

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I don't even know, but I set up, I was like, oh, I can use the printer from here.

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Cause it's sitting right next to it.

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And we got a monitor set up.

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So now that little raspberry PI can run Theo or start the printer and control.

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And it's all in this little like cell, I was pretty excited.

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I figured how to print from the internet today on it.

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I should have done this a while ago.

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that

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predate the shops over?

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no, I got it when I was making the intro to CNC course, we

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could do training videos with it.

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And we've had a few scenarios, but this is the best case of, I mean,

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we could totally do all of it on the shop saver, but little job for it.

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We've got these little clamps you just go over there and push start

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and it chugs away and cuts out parts.

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And we like that kind of like two step operation.

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It's kind of

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that's cool.

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Hmm.

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it's perfect

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that.

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Yeah, something very appealing about that.

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And maybe it's just from listening to too much business of machining,

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but the, the multi machine two stage operation is attractive for some reason,

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For sure.

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I mean, I,

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It's it speaks to using your resources

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effectively, doesn't it?

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right.

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Like Grimsmo's like buying $150,000 machine to make his

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million dollar machine more time.

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Basically.

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It's like problem I've ever had, but you know, interesting to

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think about it's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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a,

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um, Oh, I and

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I'll, I'll keep it loose.

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Got a conundrum at the moment where we've done heaps of work over

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the last year on our margins and ensuring that we're charging enough

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Yep.

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and really tightening up that structure in terms of how we quote

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our products and custom projects.

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I've got a client who would love to be able to distribute

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some version of kid parts.

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Oh,

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And aside from the design question of whether I even wanna distribute

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Kitter parts, which I'm not sure that I do, but say that

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hypothetically, I was like, yeah, cool.

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Let's come up with a distribution model for Kitter parts.

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I don't know if I can make.

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It would kind of be going backwards for us on all our margin

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Mm-hmm

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to then set up a margin.

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That's gonna work

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for

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them with a multilayered distribution model where, you know, he's not the end.

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He's, he's like two steps backwards.

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So there's like at least two margins that need to be added on top of that.

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So I'm a bit to at the moment in terms of thinking about that, but

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what made me think of it was sort of optimizing machine output and,

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you know, the pencil sharp and it currently sits dormant four days

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a week because it's too efficient and it smashes out everything we

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need to really quickly.

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So if we could sort of fill up our machine both in the sort of physical sense, but

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also in the business sense with more, more widgets, then that would be beneficial.

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And I just don't know.

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How that, how, where the balance falls in terms of lower margin

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work, filling up the machine

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Hmm.

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whilst we're trying to sort of operate, do all our normal

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stuff at a different margin.

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Yeah.

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I'm a bit

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perplexed.

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never been able to figure out that.

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Well, it's like, I feel like for your profession, this kind of like, how do

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you make products that are distributable?

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Like maybe they should have taught one of us that, you know, like we

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should have learned this in school.

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Like how do we make our products profitable in this way?

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But I mean, those margins are probably like the Asian

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manufacturing was so popular for so long was it's it's the cost.

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You gotta drive those costs down to nothing and then be able to have the, the

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MSRP or the, the list, price, be something that's appealing to a different market,

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basically, you know, somewhere else.

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And I've never, the only thing I got close to that was those laptop stands because

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those were very affordable to make.

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. And I did really well reselling them for like eight months and then that dropped

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out one customer just like suddenly they did the office space thing to me,

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where I just stopped getting orders.

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And I was like, Hey something may be wrong with the email system or

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you send me the drop shift orders.

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I'm like, oh no, we took you off our website two weeks ago.

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And I was like, what, what?

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I've been paying my, my rent and myself with this.

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Like, you don't even like, tell me.

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It's just like, oh, I'll sort itself out basically.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I've never, I had somebody ask me recently via Hey, I'm thinking

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about making some furniture.

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I know, I see you, you know, sell furniture.

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And so I was, you know, trying to describe to them what I understood

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about it, which feels like not very much, especially in this world of

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selling and manufacturing sales and from manufacturing to like wholesale basically.

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And there's a lot like, I don't know how we would ever wholesale an act

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it would have to, we'd to double price of what we're thinking at

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least.

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Yeah,

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And then I don't know, it doesn't seem like a product anymore.

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no, that's right.

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I think like we're probably both in a similar spot where

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ball

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already a wholesale

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have

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Like, I don't know about you, but we've never put into our pricing

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for that would really allow for anyone else to put a margin on it.

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we're trying to make know, good things accessible to people that are so direct.

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So like for someone else to take a cut of that, basically we either

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have to make it a lot cheaper magically or take a hit on our margin

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Yep.

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to establish that structure.

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So we've never bothered basically.

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But maybe there is yeah.

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A point at which you need to sort of look at that model.

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I don't know.

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locally.

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The only thing I've seen, I mean, I.

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Know anybody in like a blue dot or something like that.

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And a lot of that does get made overseas but like locally, there's

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a furniture maker that um, he's I kind of watched him from a distance.

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I know I'm vaguely go from starting to make this specific chair at a certain

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price and say it's a thousand dollars.

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And it's gone basically to $4,500 for that chair.

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And it was specifically because either some research he did or

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somebody he had talked with was like, you know, where the money is here.

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Like how that you make this a viable business you work with

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interior designers and showroom.

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And so you've gotta have this like four X on your costs.

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he still a lot of them, but that's just a totally different clientele

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than like Etsy or you know?

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yeah, yeah, Different

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Yeah.

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what we're in it

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So like

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as possible or are at the right price with sort of, you

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know, accessibility in mind?

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I don't know.

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Have you, have you sold much of something that somebody else has

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made for you, like a product where you didn't have any making involved?

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Nope.

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Hmm.

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That's like all I did for the first, I mean, I'm not

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gonna say this is successful.

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It's just, it was a thing, you know, all these calendars and the

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laptop stand and I didn't have the means to make a lot of that stuff.

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And I had weird ideas.

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Printed goods for so long.

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that was the closest I could get.

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And the margins, I, I never could order enough where the

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margins made a lot of sense.

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Like it couldn't have been sold to distribution and then a

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retailer, like, I wholesale almost all of it, but not very well.

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Like it was always like I had like two per product at a time and I always wished that

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would've taken off, but never found means to, I needed a distributor basically,

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and I never got that figured out.

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it's appealing.

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Mm.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting.

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Well,

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pondering that conundrum.

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I'm curious to see, or if there's like kind of if you simplify it, doesn't

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really retain the same idea though.

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You know, like to make it as profitable of a unit to be able to wholesale that.

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Yeah.

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like

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it.

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I can sort of par it down to its

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as possible

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how does that affect our regular

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Set don't know

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know, is it different enough that that's sort of non-competitive and

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it doesn't matter, or I don't know.

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I'm just a bit torn by that sort of dilution.

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And maybe I'm too, I'm I'm aware that I'm too close to it too.

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Like I'm too attached to the kid parts ecosystem and everything that

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I've put into it to probably think about it in a really clear, unbiased

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way cuz you know, it's my baby.

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And so of course I'm gonna be protective of it.

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Oh, yeah, same, same thing is one of the things that always came up with

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potential large orders of our week planners or the calendars was people

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always wanted to put their logo on it.

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And I was always just like

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know, at the time that was all I really, you know, had.

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And I don't know, I guess I you're always precious about your own things.

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And I just was like, are you gonna order 500?

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First of all, no, we want 30.

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It's like, well, I can't make this calendar.

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I can't make 30 with your logo on it.

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it just doesn't make sense.

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You they'd have to be a hundred dollars a piece or something,

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you know, it's like crazy.

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And then yeah, the logo, they always wanted their logo on things.

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I don't know, I just never wanted to do that.

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I probably should have, it were, what it matter?

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In the end, who's see it.

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would you, would you people's logos on kid parts or thread board or

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whatever for for the right scenario?

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no, I think I would cross brand enough.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm

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I but I think that's me being a bit precious and protective, so,

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Yeah.

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I mean, yeah.

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Can you imagine having a business where you just like made

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products that were white labeled?

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It'd be so weird.

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would be weird.

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Yeah.

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We sell threaded Dell.

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Yeah.

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Just the Dell.

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What sounds sounds kind of easier in a way

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Yeah.

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You're not precious of any, like how I sell It's like one of those,

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I dunno if you have these promotions companies where they just buy bulk

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product and like what do you call that?

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Like soft stamp on people's

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ah, yeah, yeah.

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silk screen, not soft stamp.

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Ah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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When you get the branded Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I dunno.

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I, what was weird about if I follow back to the beginning, so weird

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about this vacation, their time off, is it, you know, it was like

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a weird series of camping events.

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One of which was two days where I had no cell phone service at all, no

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wifi, the first.

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I kind of panicked a little bit, not quite panicked, but I was just

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like, what the hell do I do now?

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Like, like my wife went, was going to bed chose cuz the bed way earlier than I do.

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And like we're laying in her car and I'm like, what do I do right now?

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Like, you know, it's it not quite dark, you know, I wasn't tired.

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When pull out the

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I need the, I need the podcast Gramaphone

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Yeah.

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with a crank.

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But what was weird about this trip more than most others?

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And I guess it's probably a positive thing is like usually I end up in those times

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or just all the time having thought about business, evolving something changing

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this process or just anything, a new product, a different way to do something.

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And like, it really for like a week and I don't.

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I almost feel like I'm wrong.

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Like it was, I missed that almost, you know, like you said,

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with the airplane thing, right.

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When you're flying, like that kind of thing happens and I just didn't get it.

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It was very strange,

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did you, did

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didn't happen

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for thinking about

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I guess.

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So,

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yeah, like coming back and not having, you know, a series of and

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bad ideas usually happens, that was.

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Weird for

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's super weird.

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I can relate to that in terms of.

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Last nine to coaching the day to day and seeing the as a whole.

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There's definitely a sense of guilt of not being like that.

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Central.

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Do everything, answer every question node like this little

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like, oh, this, this is weird.

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I'm just sitting in my little hole in the wall here with

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the door shut and, you know,

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working

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wave to you.

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They walk by and like there's Jem He used to do stuff.

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used to used to be useful.

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Pretty useless now.

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I don't even know what he does in there.

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yeah, no, I

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That's interesting.

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I wouldn't have thought that, but I could totally see what you mean by that.

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Like I know it's'd like to get there too.

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What fills like the right path and what I, we should talk about the next time

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the idea that like comes up all the time when you hire somebody to help

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with like sales, for example, or like the job shop kind of first process that

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first section of things where you intake and talk and I've always wanted to hire

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somebody specifically for that, but.

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It never feels like enough work for it like that, that

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person wouldn't have enough do.

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So it's endless yeah, I don't know.

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not go into that

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cuz we're

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at

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you mean.

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Yeah.

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That would be an interesting thing to

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yeah.

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chicken and egg.

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Yeah, that, that's the next big one on our list on our recruitment list.

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Is that

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we should

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Ooh, good.

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Now this next time on parts department.

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it's next summer.

Next time on Parts Department:

The Guys need to hire Sales positions.

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Who will make it?

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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yeah, we'll next summer.

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We're taking a break.

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Awesome.

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One is done.

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All seasons.

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Yeah.

Next time on Parts Department:

Wow.

Next time on Parts Department:

I don't know which season it's either winter or summer.

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All then

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it.

Next time on Parts Department:

if we can stitch this all together.

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See ya.

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Light.

Next time on Parts Department:

I like your glasses.

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actually similar be really similar in the end.

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backs.

Next time on Parts Department:

See if you can just get this profile, then

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we'll be sweet.

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it.

Next time on Parts Department:

Now

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If I just came back with the same glasses, how great would that be?

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