Shownotes
I sit down with my friend and fellow coworker Matt Ellis.
Matt and I worked at McLeodUSA, a red hot telecom startup in the late 90's.
It has been at least 15 years since we have sat face to face and had a long conversation.
We discuss September 11th 2001, gun control among many others.
The focus that brought us back together was the tragic loss of Matt's brother.
