Ani Choying Drolma is a Buddhist nun. Ani sings utterly beautifully. Ani

gives people deep faith. And Ani is also deeply thoughtful about leadership too.

Katrina has only ever talked about faith with Ani but here she talks about leadership. About the need to lead yourself first, to make yourself happy by making someone else happy (including buying pretty, sparkly shoes), about not just crying, and for using your motherly qualities for all. And about “a beautiful, deep and infectious smile”.i would like Ani to meet Harriet one day.

Because they both smile deeply wholehearted and easily. The essence of leadership. Is this my favourite podcast episode? Yes.