EPISODE OVERVIEW

Duration: Approximately 32 minutes

Best For: Trapped entrepreneurs who know their health is slipping and keep telling themselves they will fix it later

Key Outcome: Understand why willpower alone is not working and discover the strategic approach to reclaiming your energy, sleep, and body without adding more complexity to your already overwhelmed life

She managed a $60 million e-commerce business. She was a college athlete who did CrossFit and boxing. She still could not sleep, kept gaining weight around the middle, and needed weed just to calm down at night.

THE BOTTOM LINE

You built something impressive. The revenue proves it. The team depends on you. The clients need you. And somewhere along the way, your body started sending signals you have been ignoring. The poor sleep you blame on stress. The weight that will not shift no matter how hard you train. The brain fog that makes every decision feel heavier than it should. Chelsea McLeod spent 13 years grinding through director roles at Adidas, Crocs, and Reebok before her body forced her to pay attention. Now she helps high performers, the C-suite executives and business owners who look successful on paper, fix the hormonal imbalances that are quietly sabotaging everything. The thing is, your symptoms are not just normal signs of ageing or stress. They are signals that your operating system is compromised. When you address the root cause, clients lose an average of 8 pounds in just three weeks. They sleep through the night for the first time in years. They get their edge back. This episode gives you the strategic framework to stop treating symptoms and start fixing the actual problem.

WHY THIS EPISODE MATTERS TO YOU

Your body is the engine that powers your business. When it fails, everything you have built becomes irrelevant.

Four in five women and one in ten men have hormonal imbalances. Most do not know it. They just think they are tired.

Chelsea reveals why the hustle culture advice of work harder and sleep less is actually destroying your ability to perform at the level your business demands.

Every week you delay addressing this, you lose more ground. Your decision-making suffers. Your patience with your team shortens. Your presence with your family diminishes.

KEY INSIGHTS YOU CAN IMPLEMENT TODAY

Your stress is not just emails and deadlines. Drinking caffeine at the wrong time, training on empty, and poor sleep all register as stress to your body. When you understand this, you stop sabotaging yourself without realising it.

High performers often self-abandon. Chelsea works with driven people who keep every commitment to others and break every promise to themselves. Recognising this pattern is the first step to changing it.

Not everyone needs lab testing. Sometimes the solution is simpler than you think. A strategic approach means knowing which rocks to turn over first based on your specific symptoms and goals.

The 80/20 rule applies to nutrition. Eighty percent whole foods, twenty percent soul foods. It is not realistic to eliminate everything you enjoy. Sustainability matters more than perfection.

Educating yourself on how to navigate a food system stacked against you is one of the most powerful things you can do for fast results. Knowledge removes the noise and confusion that keeps you stuck.

GOLDEN QUOTES WORTH REMEMBERING

"Symptoms are not normal. They are a sign that your body has too much of something and not enough of something else." - Chelsea McLeod

"Your body is your business. When entrepreneurs self-abandon to prioritise everything else, their body falls apart." - Chelsea McLeod

"I disqualify a lot of people. If I don't think you're ready for the work, I don't want you in my program. You're going to drag down the whole average." - Chelsea McLeod

"You go from being the expert in your craft after 10 years in corporate to not knowing where your butthole is in entrepreneurship." - Chelsea McLeod

"If you can't recreate it in your kitchen, don't eat it." - Chelsea McLeod

QUICK NAVIGATION FOR BUSY LEADERS

00:00 - Introduction: Chelsea's journey from corporate director to hormone health coach

03:45 - The moment of truth: Getting fired for having a side hustle

06:30 - Chelsea's personal health struggles: Sleep issues, weight, and the weed dependency

10:15 - First year as an entrepreneur: From incompetent to confident

13:20 - Why group coaching produced better results than one-on-one

16:00 - The hormone piece explained: What 4 in 5 women and 1 in 10 men are missing

20:30 - Redefining stress: Why your morning gym session might be hurting you

24:15 - The psychology of self-abandonment in high performers

27:00 - Plant medicine and psychedelics: A thoughtful perspective on integration

30:00 - One key takeaway: Understanding your body and what you put in it

GUEST SPOTLIGHT

Name: Chelsea McLeod

Bio: Chelsea is a corporate dropout turned hormone health coach who spent 13 years leading e-commerce at Adidas, Crocs, and Reebok before her body demanded she find a different path. Now a certified Integrative Health Practitioner working under a functional medicine doctor, she has helped over 250 high-achieving women and business owners heal hormone and gut imbalances. Her clients have come from Amazon, McKinsey, Google, LinkedIn, and numerous other demanding environments where performance is everything.

Connect with Chelsea:

Website: chelseamcleod.com

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/chelsea-mcleod

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/healthywithchels

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/share/1CUbdDG4YP/

YOUR NEXT ACTIONS

This Week: Track your sleep quality and energy levels for seven days. Note what you ate, when you had caffeine, and how you felt. Awareness precedes change.

This Month: Download Chelsea's free hormonal weight loss guide from her Instagram and implement the foundational steps she gives to clients in their first weeks.

This Quarter: Get clear on your specific symptoms and desired outcomes. Consider whether working with a hormone specialist could accelerate your return to peak performance.

EPISODE RESOURCES

Podcast: It's Not You, It's Your Hormones (available on Apple and Spotify)

Free Resource: Hormonal Weight Loss Guide (available via Instagram @healthywithchels)

Assessment Mentioned: Personality assessment for understanding tendencies around self-expectation and accountability

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Hey, power Movers. I'm here with Chelsea. Chelsea has got

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a story to tell. She's in the health space, in

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the coaching space. Tell us a little bit about how

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you get to be here with us on Power Movers.

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Chelsea. Well, thanks for having me. I'm Chelsea. I'm a

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health coach, really, specializing in hormones for high performers. So

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that could be anyone from a business owner to C

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suite executives to working moms. I'm going to help them

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heal. Heal hormones so that they can release weight, fix

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issues with sleep, maybe hair loss, anxiety, headaches, so they

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can operate with higher impact in their business. And I'm

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a corporate dropout, so I grinded it out as director

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of digital at Adidas and Crocs and Reebok and all

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these big footwear brands. Obviously, my body couldn't really keep

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up, so I had to heal myself before I could

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heal others. So then I went back to school to

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learn how to be a practitioner and run functional medicine

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lab tests for these people who need help. And ever

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since then, I've just always have a long list of

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clients, and they keep coming because people need this work

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right now. They need this help right now. And so

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it's been a fun career swerve, and there's so many

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things we can dig into there. Yeah. First of all,

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I love asking entrepreneurs that stage you. Yeah. I wouldn't

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say you're a corporate dropout. I'd say you are an

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entrepreneur. Stepping into your power, was it? Yeah, totally. Yeah.

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But you had that moment, didn't you? You had that

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moment where you're like, okay, I'm not really employable anymore.

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Right. Yeah. Tell us about that moment. Well, first off,

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I got fired from a job for hustling, for having

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a side hustle. So that was my first indicator that

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this was really not for me. In the process, I

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got scooped up for an even better role. It's like

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I got fired from Adidas, and then all of a

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sudden, Crocs picked me up as director of their E

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Commerce in Australia and Singapore. I got to hire my

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own team. That was the first time where I was

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like, I love starting businesses. I loved starting and scaling

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the Australia E Commerce business. It was fun. It was

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entrepreneurial by nature. I got to hire the people. I

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got to be really scrappy. But whenever it came down

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to more mature markets where I was trying to hit

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these crazy targets and having to play by the rules,

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I realized that it was not for me. That's where

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I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I

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Just didn't know what form it would take. And I

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fell into health coaching. It just happened when I dealt

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with my own issues and I knew that I had

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to take this full time. Now, if you don't mind,

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dig into your own issues. Right. Because that's powerful. When

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entrepreneurs see a problem in the world, right. This is

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what we do. We see a problem in the world

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and from that problem we think, okay, we can fix

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this. And we go out and we try and help

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people fix it. Right. And we give our passion, we

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give everything to this role in helping this problem. There's

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all the challenges along that journey. Yeah. So go back

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to your problems if you don't mind sharing. And how

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do you get to be so interested in health coaching?

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I ran into a number of different issues that I

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think most women and men in very high performing, high

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stress roles can resonate with. And at first it started

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with trouble sleeping. I was only sleeping six hours a

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night and I woke up feeling like I was on

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death's door. Really hard to fall asleep. So for years

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I had to smoke weed to fall asleep. And I

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wasn't really a druggie, but it's the only thing that

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would calm me down because I was on meetings till

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8pm and I was on my laptop and I really

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had that kind of adrenal fatigue where I was very

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wired at night, but just dragging through the day. I

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was irritable, I was on edge, getting headaches, a little

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bit puffy around the middle. I was a college athlete,

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so I didn't have a problem exercising, but I still

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didn't look the way I wanted to for how much

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work I was putting in. I did CrossFit and boxing

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and I was a fitness instructor. I didn't look the

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way I thought I should look considering how much work

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I was doing and skin issues. It was a lot

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of things. Women in high performing roles in corporate experience.

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For a lot of my clients, it's like they might

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be trying to have a baby and they can't get

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pregnant and it's unknown fertility or they're losing their hair.

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They just have a lot of anxiety and think that

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it's just normal. They're like, this is just a normal

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part of being over 35 or getting older. Symptoms are

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not normal. They're a sign that your body has too

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much of something and not enough of something else. There's

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a type of people who go to a doctor and

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expect the doctor to be the authority and they get

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on a medication or OIC or a sleeping pill. But

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I work with the people who are like, either that

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didn't work for me or that's not the approach that

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I want. I want to fix this at the root.

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So you get into this entrepreneurial journey. What were the

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first couple of months like? What was the first year

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like? First year was I was still in corporate. I

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started dabbling, seeing some clients. I started working with a

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business coach who helped me scale and I had too

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many clients. I launched a group program, put them all

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in a group and it turned out that people were

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getting better results in the group than they were one

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on one. I raised my prices so people felt more

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attached to the process. And so now it's a high

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ticket program where people are getting results. The first year

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was hard. You go from being the expert in your

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craft after 10 years in corporate to like not knowing

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where your butthole is in entrepreneurship and you're like trying

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to pull it all together and it's. You don't feel

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competent. But I think everyone has that experience so it's

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at least good to know that that's normal. But it

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was really tough. It was late nights making my website

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and trying to like figure out how to do an

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Instagram reel. But the growth happens so fast that I

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look back at the person I was then and I'm

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like, wow. Just a lot has happened in a very

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short amount of time. When you first become an entrepreneur,

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you wear all the hats. You don't realize how much

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there is to do. You're wearing the owner hat, the

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marketing hat, and sales had the operations had to deliver

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it. Then you get to the point of, do I

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hire someone? Have you got any staff at this stage?

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I have an assistant. My first problems were I hired

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my friend or somebody I liked. They came on board

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and they were in that business world. They're totally different

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from in the private world. Right? Yeah. So it's also

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scary, like not having the capital to hire the kind

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of people that you want to hire to. It's tough,

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but I know I'll get there eventually. So you go

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through this entire process and you build out and now

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you're okay. Now that's what a great problem to have

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too many clients coming in. Right? That's an awesome problem.

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It's a great problem. It's. I'm never going to be

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short of work, that's for sure. And, but also then

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it really shifts the focus having a business coach. Do

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you still have the coach? Yes. Yeah. It's a game

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changer, right? You're so lucky that you got that early

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stages. Because it took me 20 years to actually be

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coachable. Yeah. This idea that somebody else has done this

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before and they can help me with that. Right. And

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they can shortcut. What was that journey like? I mean,

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you have to skip the line. I think a lot

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of people are scared to invest. I need to invest

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in skipping the line. I don't have time. Like, I'm

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managing the $60 million business in corporate. I want to

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be able to quit my job, and I can't do

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that if I'm tinkering around on Instagram. I think a

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lot of people are scared by coaching investments, five figure

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investments. But I'm like, how much did you pay for

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college mba you're not using. These are literally people like

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yourself who are helping people launch and make monetizable skill

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sets for the rest of their life. Like, why would

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you not invest in that? And so I think it's

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just finding the right coach for you. There's different coaches

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for different seasons of your life. But I'm such a

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believer in coaching. I don't know how anyone could do

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this without a coach, frankly. I think it's a requirement

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if you want a certain level of success. The difference

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between me and people who are doing the same as

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me, but making one fifth of the revenue at the

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most, is that I invested in a mentor. I invested

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early, and I've invested a lot. And to be fair,

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that's exactly what you're doing in terms of the health

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piece, Right? Yeah. People are investing with you because they've

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got to a point where they're in total pain and

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they don't know how to go forward. Yeah. You've been

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there. You've seen that. You've done that. You proved a

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system that works. Now let's dig into this healthy conversation.

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So partially what I do is I teach people AI

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because the biggest problem I have, people come to me

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with is I don't have the time. Yeah. And so

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that's AI Because I need to get them out of

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the timepiece first and say, right now you have some

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time. And then I only work with them. If they

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work on themselves, I help them with breath work and

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cold exposure, any other tools that'll give them more energy.

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Quite often I'll put them in touch with somebody like

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you and say, right, okay, you gotta. Yeah, there's something

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else going on here. And get go and work out

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what it is. One of the guys I work with

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is a biohacker, a functional medicine doctor, a gp, and

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he's a super crazy mad scientist. He's such an interesting

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guy and he's turned me on to Peptides. Peptides? You

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looking at Peptides yet? Yeah. It's so early, but I'm

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seeing some pretty crazy results with people. I'm all in

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on Peptides. Loving it. It's just so cool. What's your

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regimen right now? Let me get my scroll. I

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dive into things with both feet, right? Yeah. It's been

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a blessing and a pain both sides. So yeah, I'm

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like, okay, all in. Go and try it all because

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to invest in yourself is the best investment you can

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make, right? It starts with your health, right? Yeah. One

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of the things I teach my business is business owners

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and even the teams is breath work. It's so fundamentally

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simple once you know it. But I was 48 years,

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49 years old before I learned how to breathe and

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now I do it every day. What are the things

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that are going to resonate with you? What are the

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things that you need? Having the outside of you on

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that is so important. The wellness piece for me is

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fundamental in the entrepreneurial journey. And in terms of what

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you're doing, if you're going to go and try and

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up your game at work, it's got to be a

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massive game changer. It's life changing for most clients when

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you change your operating system from a mindset perspective, but

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also giving your body the materials it needs to succeed.

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And that could be what you're putting in it, how

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you're resting, making rest part of your strategy. Some of

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this stuff is very simple. But what I prioritize for

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one client is gonna be totally different than what I

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prioritize for another client. Because the way I think about

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myself is I'm not a health coach who's like, did

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you have your water today? Like, that's not the kind

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of health coach I am. I'm a strategist. I'm like,

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okay, you're a busy exec, you own a business, you

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just got a co founder for your startup, you have

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two kids at home and you're 15 pounds overweight. You've

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been going to the gym, it's not working, you're not

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sleeping and you're getting headaches every week. You get a

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migraine every week. I'm not going to tell her to

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go do workouts. I'm not going to tell her to

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go. You know what I mean? Like, all of this

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blanket advice that I'm not going to tell her to

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take creatine, which is what she's going to see on

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her Instagram when all these menopausal things are coming at

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her and telling her she needs to do this dumb

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stuff. I'm going to look at those boulders that we

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need to implement for her that are going to help

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her release the weight the fastest. When you address the

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hormones first, everything else works better if you're not looking

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at your hormones. For men and women, we have to

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start there and then back into the protocols because it

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makes life and business and parenting easier when your

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body is actually operating as it should. 100% agree. And

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I'll tell you a quick story on my sleeping. For

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15 years, I slept an hour and a half a

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night. Oh. Oh, my God. Yeah. And it wouldn't be

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an hour and a half every night. It'll be an

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hour and a half, two and a half hours, no

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sleep. An hour and a half. Oh, my God. Yeah.

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I power through it. I'd smoke weed to kind of

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get up in the morning, have a joint and carry

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on and try and bring myself down just a little

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bit. I had to find my own protocol to get

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me there, and now I'm getting a good eight hours

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every night, and it's good sleep and just early game

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changing. And it's taken me a long time to get

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there. So if I had the opportunity to shortcut that

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with somebody like you, that would have been insane. So

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talk a little bit more about this hormone piece because

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I think that's quite an interesting differentiator. Yeah. An interesting

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stat that I found is 4 in 5 women have

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a hormonal imbalance in the US and 10% of men

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have one. For men, it typically presents as low testosterone,

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high cortisol. Cortisol is a stress hormone. Testosterone is a

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sex hormone, but they operate in an inverse relationship where

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when stress is high, when cortisol is high, it's gonna

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knock down your testosterone and it's gonna affect your estrogen

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and progesterone levels if you're a woman. We have to

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redefine stress because a lot of people think stress is

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just a stressful email from a boss or having to

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drop off the kids. I take a holistic approach where

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you can cause stress to your body by eating the

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wr. You could cause stress to your body by drinking

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caffeine at the wrong time, by not resting, by going

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to that gym class at 5am with no carbs in

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your system, and on three hours of sleep two days

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before your cycle. There's so many different things that impact

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our hormones. There's deeper underlying Things that I see with

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clients all the time where there could be a gut

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issue, a yeast or bacterial overgrowth growth, there could be

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parasites, heavy metals, a lot of stuff that we look

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at from a functional medicine perspective that are going to

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throw your hormones completely out of whack. So my job

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is to figure out what is causing the hormonal imbalance

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in the first place. And once we address that, the

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sleep fixes itself, the weight comes off, the hair grows

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back. Like there's just so many different things, people are

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just lost and there's so much noise in the market

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and you know, wellness has become a multi billion dollar

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industry and people just don't know who to go to

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anymore. They don't know who to trust. They're disillusioned by

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answers from doctors, they're disappointed with results from nature paths.

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They're just not getting the results they came for because

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no one is approaching it from a 360 degree lens.

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Either they're going all body or all mindset or all

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science, no soul. And it's just like you kind of

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need it all and addressing it as a full person

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to really start to see results. That resonates so much

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because as I say, AI for time, you know, wellness

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to give you energy and then you can grow and

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scale your business. If you don't have those things, it

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doesn't work. Right. There's no way. Yeah, it doesn't work.

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I've been there and I've managed to grow multi seven

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figure businesses but I almost ended up killing myself because

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of it. So if I found these stress release things

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beforehand, if I'd found these tools, I would have had

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a different outcome. But more importantly for me, I want

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to live the life I love. Right. And I want

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business owners to live the life they love. Yeah. I

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want them to be able to leave the business for

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a month. One of my clients just had a baby.

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I spoke to him yesterday and he said he hasn't

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worked for four weeks. He didn't spend any time with

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him, he spent all the time with his new baby.

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And she's life changing. Yeah. Just being able to live

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the life you love, to be able to do the

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things you want to do is so much more powerful.

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Yeah. And your business needs to be able to perform

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without you being in the bottleneck. How do you make

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that happen? What's the process to get there? You would

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normally send somebody to get a blood test, to get

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a range of a panel. How would you normally work?

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Every single person is so different and so the first

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thing I need to know is, what result are you

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trying to produce and what timeline do you want to

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get there? If someone's like, I just want to make

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some sustainable changes. I want to lose 50 pounds, but

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I'm okay with doing that over 12 months. That plan

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is going to look a lot different than a C

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suite woman who's like, I have my daughter's wedding in

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six weeks. What can you do for me? And I'm

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like, ooh, say no more. I have the protocol for

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that. We have to know what their symptoms are. In

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some cases, I don't lab test because I'm like, I

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know exactly, exactly what's going on here. I know what

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your labs are going to say. We don't need to

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lab test. In other cases, it's like, whoa, there's a

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lot of symptoms going on here. Like, the sleep is

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an issue. There's a lot of bloating. Maybe they're getting

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a lot of headaches. A lot of women have hair

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loss issues right now. It depends what the symptoms are

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presenting. Sometimes we might run a gut test, a hormone

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test, and I work under a functional medicine doctor who

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can order these labs for me. I can get these

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labs sent anywhere in the world and get this data

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and laser target the protocol specifically for those issues. But

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not everyone needs that level of data. It depends on

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their hormones or their personality. A lot of men I

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talk to want to know their testosterone levels. They want

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to know their cortisol levels. They want to be able

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to use that as a tool to create behavior change

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because they want it to be precise. And for those

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people, lab testing can be really valuable. And other people

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are like, I just have crappy habits. Just help me

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in figuring out the protocol that's going to help me.

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It depends on the person, but labs can be really

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powerful, especially if you've looked down a lot of different

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avenues and it hasn't worked for you. So often when

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I'm doing work with people, it goes down this route

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of, I know I should do this and I know

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I should do that, and I just don't do it.

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Yeah. And without going back to the root of why

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they don't do it, without really digging into the psyche

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of it, but why is that? And really going into

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that piece, I want to lose some weight because my

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partner says I should. That's not. Yeah, that's wrong. Right.

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But how do you get further down? How do you

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dig into what the real problem is? Because if you

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knew the real problem, you probably would have fixed it

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by now the real problem isn't you're not going to

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the gym. The real problem is why am I not

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going to the gym? You go in, you start, we

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all know what we should do. I know if I

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don't get up and I do my ice bath and

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do my breath work and do my meditation and do

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my exercise every day I'm going to have a bad

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day. And it took me a long time to find

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out how to get myself to do that without relying

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on somebody else. Yeah. So sure, you see that quite

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a lot, all the time. And this is why I

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do a lot of different personality assessments with clients. And

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there's one in particular that I use to look at

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their tendencies around expectation of self as

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it relates to other people. Some people who can keep

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the commitments they make to themselves, but they can't keep

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the commitments to others. There are others who are heavily

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reliant on keeping commitments to other people, but they self

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abandon. And I work with a lot of that kind

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of client where they need an internalized sense of accountability.

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And a lot of the time it could go back

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to childhood trauma. Parents who were uninvolved, funky

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behaviors from their childhood or their life experience that make

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them high performing people pleasers who don't really do stuff

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for themselves. In the process of self abandoning, their body

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falls apart because they're prioritizing their businesses, their kids, but

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they forget that their body is their business. And they

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come to me once their body has gotten to a

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complete dysfunction at that point because the pain point is

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so big and the desire for change is so great,

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they're willing to make those changes and take that action.

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And this is why in the sales process I disqualify

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a lot of people. I'm like no, you're not the

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right fit to work with me. I'm a very strong

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personality. I hold my coach or my clients who have

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high standard. If I don't think you're ready for the

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work, I don't want you in my program. You're going

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to drag down the whole average. You're not going to

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do the work. I'm going to feel a feeling about

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having you pay for this high ticket program and then

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you're going to get shitty results. Here we are. I

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disqualify a lot of people and I don't want their

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money because that's not fun for me. There's another person

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around the corner that will pay for it. I think

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for a lot of health coaches is building the sales

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process in a way that Helps you look for the

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behavior patterns of who would be successful and who's actually

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ready to make change. Because you know as well as

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I do you're not going to action anything as it

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relates to your health unless you truly want the outcome.

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Like you're giving up smoking because you're having a baby,

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your wife is pregnant, you're having a baby in six

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months. I want to give up smoking because this is

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no longer acceptable. There has to be a strong desire

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on the other side. It's getting clear on the client's

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desire so that the behavior can follow. Also doing the

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little mindset work along the way to help get to

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the root of self sabotage behavior. The biggest thing that

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I see is business owners are doing what

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they do and for everybody else. So they spend all

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of the time here in their mind. I'm building this

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thing, I'm building a seven figure company. I'm building, I'm

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doing that for my wife and for my daughter. I'm

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not married anymore, but that's why I'm doing it. In

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the process of doing that, I stopped loving myself, you

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know, I stopped looking after myself. Slowly but surely, the

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days get longer. Now we get into business for freedom.

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That's one of the big reasons we get into business

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for freedom. And then we end up being lonely and

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in a jail because it's a jail that we've made.

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Because beforehand when I went and did my 9 to

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5 job, I could leave and have detachment. Now I'm

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so invested in it, I can't. And then we forget

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that we are the meat packet over here is the

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engine that allows that to happen. So when you give

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yourself away to everybody else all the time, that's it,

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right? You can't pour from an empty cup and all

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that kind of thing. And you know, people know this

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at the surface level, but deep down you have to

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be able to love yourself again. You have to be

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able to put yourself first. Right. I think most people

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don't know what it actually feels like to pour back

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into yourself because I think entrepreneurs by nature, overwork, want

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to impress other people. And oftentimes that's at the expense

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of their physical health. And so it's a learning process.

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As I turn over these different mindset stones as I

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go through my journey, I'm like, oh, I thought I

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had this piece figured out. And then I'm like, whoa,

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I'm about to have a mental breakdown. But I'm just

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so disconnected from myself that I didn't even realize that.

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And I haven't taken a rest day in 365 days.

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Like, what is going on? So it's just like, a

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constant learning, I think. Yeah, massively. I think for most

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of us, that's one of the things we love doing,

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is constantly learning. I think that's what sets entrepreneurs apart.

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I don't spend a day without learning something new, and

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it's just kind of. But then that also gives me

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so many opportunities in my head, I'm consistently, oh, I

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can do this and I can do that. And I

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run around with shiny. I call it. I chase the

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shiny, and it's just trying to bring that back in.

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I want to ask you one or two more questions,

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and then we'll wrap up. I know you've got to

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get on. What about the things that aren't mainstream? Psilocybin

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medicine? What's your view on all of those? We haven't

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spoken about that. I'm super interested because I think it's

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such a fascinating space. It is so interesting,

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and I think it's a really powerful tool. I've sat

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with plant medicine and psilocybin and have had a good

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experience. I think it expedites a lot of stuff. Maybe

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some people are not ready to see yet. I think

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for some people, it's very beneficial. I've met some people

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who came out of an ayahuasca ceremony being really weird,

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and it's like, maybe that person wasn't ready, really Being

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clear on the intention, having a good shaman. The integration

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piece, I think, is really underserviced. I was pretty unsupported

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after my first ayahuasca experience. It was hard. Like, I

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just remember not really knowing what to do with what

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came up and not knowing how to make sense of

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some of the things I saw. It was a really

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confusing experience. So if I could do it again, I

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don't regret it, but I would have a better plan

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for integration afterwards. Like, I just think there should be

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integration specialists who you hire to work with afterwards. For

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sure. Yeah, I have one anyway. Oh, very good. And

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this piece, I think you're so right. I found, though,

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that I was too scared of it. Yeah, I was

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way too scared of it because of what was inside

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and what might come out. So I had to work

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on myself. I had to get to a point where

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I'm like, okay, now I'm comfortable. So I could really

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see that. Because the pressures that the world puts on

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us. Oh, yes, everybody go and do mushrooms. Go and

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do ayahuasca. Go and do iboga. So now this is

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the solution. And if you're not ready for it and

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you go and do that. Yeah, for sure. I can

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see it being a real challenge too, to understand that

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space. Oh, my God. Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine

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doing any of the ceremonies I did without a very

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high level of energetic coaching. Mindset coaching, personal work therapy.

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Like, if I had just gone in there raw dogged

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ayahuasca, forget about it. I would have lost my mind.

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I would be like in an asylum. And so I

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think that's what's scary about it. And because it's becoming

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very mainstream and like, let's just go to Costa Rica

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and sit with mother Ayahuasca. It's like, what are we

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even talking about it? Like, I just think it needs

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to be a part of a bigger plan and I

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think it's moving towards like, party drug almost. It's interesting.

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Yeah, no, for sure. And you have to respect this

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part of the world, right? You have to respect this

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ancient knowledge and understand what you're trying to get out

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of it. It's. It's there, is it? I'm going to

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say this is going to sound real, really weird, but

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it's like, AI, it's so powerful and it's there to

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help you do more. You have to use it in

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the right way. Totally. So here, let's go through the

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final things in terms of what would be the one

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big key takeaway that you'd want somebody to think about

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in terms of their health as they go forward. Understanding

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your body and your needs is the first place to

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start. Most people don't understand what they should be putting

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in their body, the impact of today's food supply on

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their body. Educating yourself. There's so much sensationalism out there

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right now where it's like, you can't eat eggs now

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and like, we're not eating oatmeal. There's so much noise

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out there. Eat real foods. If you can't recreate it

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in your kitchen, don't eat it. And if you are

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going to eat it, eat it in small proportions and

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in small volumes. I tell clients 80, 20, like 80%

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Whole Foods, 20% Soul Foods. It's not realistic to not

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enjoy your favorite foods. You need them. But just educating

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yourself on how to navigate a food system that's really

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stacked against you can be one of the most powerful

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things you can do to really change your health outcomes

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fast. I have clients who are recovering from cancer who

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have taken the plan that they worked on with me

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to their doctors. And their doctors like that is an

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anti cancer plan, continue doing that. Or women who have

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gotten pregnant just by changing the way they eat. And

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so for most people, it's really getting understanding of your

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body and the what you're putting in it is one

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of the most important things you can do on this

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planet. And finally, if people want to get hold of

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you and want to look at your program, what's the

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best way, what's your preferred way for them to get

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hold of you? You can check out my podcast. It's

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called it's not you, it's your hormones. Apple, Spotify or

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Instagram. At Healthy with Chels. I've got some free resources

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on there, a little hormonal weight loss guide on there.

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It's honestly the exact steps I give to my clients

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when they first start working with me to release the

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first five pounds. So it's a great start. Well, thank

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you very much for joining me and yeah, we shall

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chat again in the future, I'm sure. Thanks, Roy. I'm

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absolutely certain of that.