Science for the Church co-founder Drew Rick-Miller interviews Rob Barrett, until recently the chief operating officer of The Colossian Forum, an organization specializing in conflict resolution. Rob shares about his journey to this work, the philosophy and practice of "The Colossian Way," and some of the key areas of church conflict around issues of faith and science.

The UpWords Podcast is an initiative of Upper House. This episode was produced in partnership with Science for the Church.

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Credits: music by Micah Behr, audio engineering by Andy Johnson, graphic design by Madeline Ramsey.