In this episode, I sit down with Nichi - an educator, mentor, and practitioner with nearly 30 years of experience in foundational medicine.

We talk about muscle testing, frequency therapy, and how the practice of holistic healing has evolved over the decades. Nichi shares what she's seeing in clients today that she didn’t see 20 years ago, and why it’s more important than ever to bring holistic medicine into the world.

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Takeaways

The evolution of holistic practices reflects changes in health issues over time.

Complex health issues are becoming more prevalent in younger populations.

Muscle testing is a non-invasive method to analyze health imbalances.

Energy medicine plays a crucial role in understanding health dynamics.

Practitioners must listen to their intuition and the needs of their patients.

Finding the right practitioner is essential for effective health care.

Patients should take responsibility for their health and outcomes.

Creating a clear intention can guide the healing process.

Holistic health requires a personalized approach to care.

Community and support among practitioners enhance learning and growth.

Chapters

00:00 The Evolution of Holistic Practices

02:53 Complexities in Modern Health

06:02 The Role of Muscle Testing

08:53 Understanding Energy Medicine

11:29 Navigating Patient Care

14:31 Finding the Right Practitioner

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Nicole, thank you so much for being here. I'm so honored.

gosh, thanks for having me. I love these little chit chats.

I know. We started to get into it I was like, no, no, no, let's press the record button. One of the first things that you've been practicing for almost 30 years. Yeah, that's you got some experience. so one of my patients, one of my patients, one of the things that I'll ask my seasoned practitioners and colleagues is like, hey, what are you seeing now that you didn't see 10 years ago, 20 years ago? What has been the evolution in what you're seeing? And

Yeah.

If you want to, I don't know if there's an evolution in the cases that you're seeing, meaning you said you were a doula for 20 years or you see a lot of kiddos versus family. If you can expand on that, that would be great.

Well, my muscle testing practice that I've been in for 15 years at this point is, you specifically full-time muscle testing, really was born out of my doula practice. I was a craniosacral therapist, birth and postpartum doula, childbirth educator. And I just remember thinking,

I know it is kind of interesting in the last year, we've got this little goddess mama text thread that I'm in and it's, it's this space where I can come to and be like, you guys are just having a thought, you know, like, do you want to, you know, do you want to know what just landed? And, and really what's landed in the last year and a half is, is this reality of, Oh, guess what? I am a wise elder and I'm only 48. And so it doesn't feel like I have the clout to say that. And yet.

If I just, what happened was this, I just realized like the sooner I can just accept who I came into this world being, life just would be easier. And that was just like the big yesterday years old, right? When I really recognized what I came in here to do, what I'm capable of, what I've been armed with, the things that I have seen, you we all have our own stories. And so the wisdom I think is like the piece that's kept

It's the little thread, right? That's pulled all the way through. So you actually just kind of like made my skin crawl a little bit when you were like, what's different now than, know, in my first 20 years of practice. So in my last 10 years of being a doula, I had started into the muscle testing arena. you know, few years had worked in a functional medicine clinic. So just kind of got to see a variety of

of scenarios, I was sharing space with my homeopath for a while in her beautiful office that she eventually had to dedicate one whole day per week to being a vaccine injury clinic because of vaccine injury. And so the things that are different is there's more of that. there are like a scenario I had this morning

in a discovery call with a family member of several family members that I work with around a 20 week gestation ultrasound came up with a significant heart issue with the baby and the baby should live, there will be some implications and a few surgeries. surgeries. Yeah, scary stuff. gosh, it's so scary. And she just was like, I had home births.

That's not how I was gonna do things. And now things are so far opposite. And it's like, it's so hard to make that right in your mind. And she said, what do you think and what are you gonna test for? It's like, well, test for everything that I always test for. And I just had this feeling of just, inside of what's happened in the last four to five years, at this point, there have been such...

ongoing detrimental effects to exposure that is real and it does show up and we do see it every day. Just the other day I happened to share some posts on social media that was something about, you know, the correlation between like happy and autism. And my kind of favorite conversation as a

Bradley instructor when we got to the night where we were talking about the big decisions, right, was here are just some things you just want to keep in mind when you're, when you are looking at some of the support you may or may not need for your babies. So your baby was just born. Has your baby had time to do drugs or be sexually active? Right. And like the, the like deer in the headlights slash laughter that you get at the same time from parents, they're like, well, what do you, what do you mean? Well,

that would only be certain, injections would only be needed if your baby were sexually active or using drugs. And they're just like, you gotta be kidding me. So just the basics, some of this basic information just isn't shared. So I had shared a social media post and I immediately got someone from high school was chiming in about...

that you can't, this isn't a thing or something. And I just simply posted like, know, I see it every day. So it's a thing. And then I got like a PhD high school sibling scenario, like chimed in and correlation doesn't equal causation and, you know, and it's like, is that a fight even worth? It's so frustrating. It's so frustrating when you can see what they can't see. And it doesn't mean that every case of autism was because of a happy shot. That's not

Yes.

That's not what we're saying either. This is bio-individualized care. And so we get to see what other people can't see. And so social media, I literally just have to ask myself, I don't have time. I do not have time to answer.

I do not have time. have to boundaries. mean, so what it sounds like is you're seeing a lot more complexity. You're seeing a more illness at a younger age and a lot more complications.

And I do, and I mean, I'm seeing that as well. Now I've been practicing for 10 years, but I only have a 10 year window instead of a 30 year window. And, you know, I'm focusing on fertility. And so now when I have clients who are, well, so-and-so got pregnant and they didn't have any issues and I'm so frustrated. Now I don't have clients who are coming to me with that. They for sure feel the frustration if they see their neighbor or whoever just like getting pregnant without any issues. Yeah.

it's like you don't actually, you don't know anything about that pregnancy. You don't know anything about that birth or the people that are on the front lines, which are us, know, the holistic practitioners, we're the ones that are seeing that damage more and more, right? Like when you hear about little girls getting their periods at six years old, you know, that's not right. You know, and it's like, nobody's seen that. And by the time the researcher, the PhD, I'm so careful about...

listening to anybody who doesn't have clinical experience. Because at the end of the day, if you're not sitting in front of patients and you're not seeing what actually is going on for people, you're just in research. like, the research is studying the body. It's trying to keep up with the body. The body is telling us what's going on. And I think everybody that I've had in the holistic space is very alarmed about what we are seeing in practice. And we're not saying that to scare people.

but to genuinely say like, if we don't do something about this, if we don't turn this around, things are not looking good.

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, I've seen vaccine injury in our own, in not with my children, but in my immediate family. And that is just devastating to acknowledge, you know. It's crazy to see precocious puberty at six or seven, not things that we saw in the past. And, you know, we close the doors on our physical practice.

In 20 years, I saw one still in 20 years, but, and yeah, clients had, especially like recurring clients, right? I mean, you, okay, so this one we miscarried and we're at it again kind of thing. But there is an interesting, I will say correlation to those who happen to be in a more medical environment. It does seem to.

those numbers seem higher and I just say seem I'm not sitting there telling them and keeping track. But if I were to stand back and look at who those individuals were, even if they didn't intentionally, you know, make a decision that could do irreparable harm, that you just like you can't make up that I always say it's the company you keep like it's that environment that you're in. So when when I'm inquiring about what you do for a living, we just did a video the other day on this. It's like I'm not trying to be nosy. I am.

trying to understand where do you insert yourself every day, five days a week, where do you spend 70 % of your time? Those are gonna be big indicators, right, to how full is that toxin bucket and what toxins are in there and...

And even your capacity to change, yeah. to change. So like if you work at a bar and all your friends drink and you're trying not to drink, it's like, wow, you're just not, you know, the odds of you succeeding in that are very low.

Mm hmm. Yep, that's that's and it's here's the other thing that's interesting is to have gone from, you know, being a birth doula to walking that very much, you know, educational, nutritional, informational, physical, emotional, like here are the stages and the phases and here's how you're going to be supported. And here's how we're we're training your partner to come in and be that support for you to

the first years of full-time muscle testing, which were definitely more nutritionally minded, and then enter all this beautiful work with Cellcore, right? And just this eye on like, wait, hold up. Toxicity creates deficiency. It's just like, one hand, like, duh, but also, and so.

Huge relay bulbs, yeah.

my gosh. my gosh. kind of going back, this is where I'm like, can we go back to the first 10 years and kind of re rework some of these because we did have, you know, very low rates, you know, trat transfers from home birth or transfers from, birth center settings. But those were actual life threatening, non birth related, right? Baby comes beautiful and over the next day or two, not nursing so well, or perhaps not breathing so well. And, know, then transfer. And there was some,

more significant diagnoses. I don't know, all to say it's just, it's like, you know, first we were heavy on nutrition and then it was like, let's get detoxed and let's clean up. And then I'm thinking more and more lately about just insulin resistance and how that plate, you just think, that's not what I was thinking when we were running into preeclampsia and wasn't even making the connection when we could reverse that by having mom eat 54 eggs in two days. Yes, it's a thing. Like, yes, that can be done.

She doesn't want to see an egg for the next four years of her life, but like, it's a thing and it does reverse it. It's phenomenal. I would say supervised, right? Just don't go whole hog on that, but just what insulin resistance is kind of at the bottom of and how many times I see on our assessment forum, blood glucose being a problem or people saying like, oh, I just think I have low blood sugar or, these little symptoms happen every once in a while and

and even their food journals look pretty good. And yet they have. I fasting glucose. Yes. They do. Yeah. Yeah. If I'm. Yeah. If things aren't, aren't adding up, it's it's, and people are even like, well, are you just, I think it's my coffee. And then, you know, they take coffee out and, and that's not it. It can be the times of day that they save their intermittent fasting and maybe they need to flip the way they fast.

Do you put a CGM on them?

That's the quickest way to find out.

because just of their constitution, right? So it's, I just think, you know, benefit that there is to this bio individualized care, A, how do we continue to show up so people know we're out here doing this work, right? So people know to ask deeper questions. They know to wade through kind of the world of providers. And they know that when they're in the clinic, this isn't just the only way they have to do things. They can kind of ride the fence, if you will. It's kind of what I call it.

They're working a little bit on both sides, but I tend to see those folks feel pretty grounded because their fear, if you will, of managed by like, have a foot over here in allopathic care, which allows me to have this foot over here. And then you have people who are like, well, if I'm 3 quarters over here, we can tap into allopathic care as needed for emergency care, urgency care, things like that.

And there's still good docs, Like it's just, but you have to have the knowledge and to be able to wean the information out.

because that's, know, like when you go to the doctor and when I go to the doctor, we get very different information when somebody who doesn't have our knowledge, you know, when my doc is like, yeah, you should take this. And I'm like, sure. And then I walk away being like, I'm not taking that because I know XYZ. No, but like, can I get this blood work? Can I do this? And versus somebody who doesn't have any knowledge or background, they'll just say, yeah, like my doctor just told me to do that and I'm going to do that. And then it's like, how crazy is it to trust someone that you see

once a year, maybe for 15 minutes. Like how much do they actually know about you to be able to tell you? And the implications that we see on the things that they prescribe are so much greater than a supplement. Do you know? Like I remember Todd during my muscle testing and I want to ask you about, cause there's a lot of people who have no idea what muscle testing is, but I just remember Todd being like, you're scared to give somebody nutrients.

Mm-hmm.

when they go to the doctor and they can get prescribed medication that literally will kill them faster, like let's take a statin for example, literally will kill them faster than, but what if they're reacting to the supplement or a country indication? And you're like, that's crazy. We can't, it's like saying, I can't eat carrots because it's high glycemic, but then you're going over and picking up a Skittles bar because whatever, you know, it's like,

Crazy.

But there's a big difference between the energy of the food and what you're trying to do. Anyways, tell me muscle testing. For those of us who have no idea and I know you teach it, why did you switch into muscle testing? What is it? I think there's a lot of people who have just no idea what it is and the power of it.

Yeah, so muscle testing is best described as it's a non-invasive way of analyzing organs, glands, and tissue of the body for imbalance. It's very simple. And we can use things like modalities and supplementation, various lifestyle recommendations to bring that back into balance. Secondly, a lot are familiar with what's considered the lock and the unlock of the arm that happens in an in-person practice. Muscle testing can be done virtually and remotely. been doing it for

Thank you.

Muscle testing, these are just hand modes. And in that regard, you're more asking questions. Whereas if you are working with a person in person, you're using vials and the vial is kind of the question itself, right? The vial is the stimuli, either a negative impact or a positive impact. And it's interesting how I came to it because this is really, this is how I can say that I've been muscle testing for 29 years. I was 20 years old and well, 28 years, I was 20.

years old and I took at the time the most comprehensive body work and massage therapy program that there was here in the Twin Cities. I had gone to the U for a year and pre-med and I was like, this nutrition 101 is not what I thought it was going to be. I'm kind of over it. I don't actually know if what I want is what I want and what am I gonna do? And so, I polled all of my friends because they all know what I should do with my life at age 20. And that they were like.

Well, we all love when you give us back rubs and sound like, great, I'll become a massage therapist. So it was very much like, I'm just going to kind of, I'm going to abide some time is what I really needed to do. But what I didn't realize is that it was actually like charting a course to invent my own career. which I actually think is magic. I just wasn't aware of it at the time.

And what it allowed me to see was, I also had wanted to be a midwife and in searching, midwifery found out about doula work. So this was kind of all landing at the same time. And I had to take an elective course in my 18 month program and it was muscle testing. And so here was a guy from Saskatchewan and he, you know, he was a great anatomy instructor and he taught us the lock and the unlock and how to use it structurally to determine areas of priority.

And so though I knew the lock and unlock well, I would get bored of it because if I just stood at the end of the table and held, it's almost like checking leg lengths. I wasn't doing that, but I'm holding the heels in my hands. would just, the whole body would light up like a little electric funny, right? Like a little electric, right? A grid pattern. And I would get these little X's and it'd be like, well, interesting. That's what tested. And like this, what's tested. And so,

I stopped using the muscle test because I could feel it anyway. So that was what's kind of interesting about that. And then, know, fast forwarding into doing the doula work, I, you know, postpartum doula, did cranial sacral therapy for 12 years. And at this point, then I have two babies and I am running around like a chicken with my head cut off. And I'm also thinking like, it's great to have these income streams, but like, I'm, this is so hard to manage. And

not rely on someone else to raise these kids. So that's when that inquiry of like, if I just knew one thing, like one little nugget of information about that baby and that toddler and that, I'm clear, it just was, it's like when you put the key in the lock, you have no idea, but it's going to be amazing, right? You're just like, it's going to be more than where we are. Totally a big unlock.

That's a big unlock.

And so it, it just, it like, it cracked so many cases just being able to hone in on a specific food or a specific chemical or a specific metal. And then it just made me hungry for more. Well, wait, where's that metal coming from? Why would a fresh little seven month old baby have metals in their body? You know, they don't have cavities. They don't have fillings. don't. And so just the, and also at the same time, I had already worked in a functional medicine environment where much

to my dismay, I realized, and this is not throwing shade on functional medicine, I just thought it was different than what it was. And after working in that clinic, I realized it doesn't look much different than allopathic care. You're running labs and then you're taking this for this and that for that and that for that. And it's sort of hands off. This was my experience and I see you again in a month or six weeks and no touch point in between and no real.

kind of coaching or hand holding for those first couple of years. And so that's where I kind of found like closet muscle testers, honest to goodness, who were standard process users, like in the back office of this functional medicine clinic. And I was like, what do you know? Like you're my people, I can already tell. Come out of the closet, what are you doing? And so I was just, it lit that fire of curiosity in me, because I was already sitting there with like, I just want to know one more thing.

Yeah.

because I think that's gonna make the difference in where we go next. And again, that was a really big like going gluten-free and dairy-free or raw dairy. There was a really big movement at that time and sure it moved the needle for some people, but it didn't move the needle enough for most people is what I'll say. So there was like a benefit.

And it's a big drastic change, right? If someone cuts out gluten and dairy and then everything, and then it's like, I don't feel that much better. And you're like, I know. It just goes back to like medicine is individualized versus blanket statement.

So it was just kind of following that and continuously, honestly, just kind of cutting the ties on each of the things that I offered until in the end, I was just muscle testing and doing doula works. So now my son is almost 10. I was six months pregnant with him when I was at my last birth with my 12 year old in tow, because that's just how we rolled.

And, which I also loved. That was really incredible in its own ways. In fact, I had a dream last night that one of my current clients who has two kids had a baby and she lives in Tennessee and I was her doula. And I was like, this isn't working, but this is so fun and exciting. And I woke up like, okay, well, that's funny. Honestly, that just never dies. Cause it's such a unique experience. And you are so welcomed into the family unit right away. Just it's such an intimate, you know,

Yeah, you're processing something from the pet.

Sure. You become family. Yeah, for sure.

How does the actual energy component work though? think there's a lot of hits, like if I play devil's advocate to be like, how does it work though? Do you know what I mean? How does it positive, negative? How do you know when someone is struggling with something? Just by looking at their vial, taking a vial and you can see that's the component that I'd love to clear up for people.

We were teaching in Seattle a couple weekends ago, and we kind of touched on this exact topic. We had a pharmacist who is a year new to functional medicine and then new to muscle testing. And it's always fun to have one in the room that we can razz. Thank you, Paul. You know who you are. And so the question came up, and I said, well, what happens when you walk into a room and you get a vibe?

whole day.

And he's like, well, it's just like reading the energy of the room. OK, so that's energetic. That's palpable. You're almost like, I could bottle that. It's so strong. Also, tell people, well, Jimmy's favorite is like, how is it that we can pick this thing up and do, do, do, do, do, and then we have a new hairbrush on our front doorstep the next day from Amazon. There's all this background communication happening energetically that we just

We do not see, but we just 1,000 % buy into it, right? One of the examples I like to give is when you get on social media and there's some kind of such and such was in an accident or experienced this natural disaster, this thing is going on, please send your prayers, your vibes, your hugs, whatever, roasted chicken and all the things. And we don't do that unless we believe that we're going to be on the receiving end of that. And so,

It's a little bit of like, check yourself if you can communicate like that, but you can be like, actually, no, no energy work. No, like, I don't believe in that. Okay, well, prayer is energy, right? There's just no difference. And so there's like negative stimuli and positive stimuli, right? So I always say, you know, we come in kind of at zero, right? And a negative stimuli is gonna make that system weak, the nervous system weak. And that's, you know, it's visible, it's palpable, you feel it.

it. And then you bring in the thing to kind of rectify that problem. And it brings strength back to that muscle. Now, it's not like the strength of how strong is that bicep. That's not what we're looking at. It's how strong is the response or the reflex, you know, to that stimuli. That's the way that I would explain it to people. And I do think it is kind of a, in person, it's such a like, feel it to believe it.

Thanks.

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Because you can't, you can't unsee it. You can't undo your like, what is that that just dropped my arm to the floor? Like, what was that? It brings about such curiosity. I always tell people like really just stand inside of like, be playful, like almost inner child, be very curious. Because if you are not, you're not in the right place either. Like, I don't want to work with you.

You gotta remain lighthearted. You gotta like not take things super seriously and you gotta be curious. You gotta want to lean in.

But I do think energy medicine is something that we are becoming aware of more and more. And just understanding that we are just balls of energy walking around and there's people we attract and there's people that we repel. And it's like, why have you attracted the partner that you have? And why do you have the kids that you have? Or why do you have the job that you have? something about... I like Todd in his infinite wisdom when...

And this is where I'm like, does he know that that vial is gonna like literally drop the room and he's just waiting versus, do you know what I mean? Like there was the guy who was standing, he was doing muscle testing on him and he had heavy metals and he had all this stuff and he's really toxic. And he picks up the mental emotional vial and like the whole room just goes quiet. And like the guy, you can tell he's having a hard time swallowing. Cause you could see that it's like this emotion is boom.

And you're just like, what is that? But now as a practitioner, my question to you, because you train a lot of practitioners as well, my question to you is like, how much do you feel like what the person, the practitioner is going through is impacting what they test for? Because I find like, if I'm not clear, and I know like energetically clear, but let's be honest, if viruses are like part of our DNA, and like parasites and all, like are we really ever clear? Do you know?

you

then how much is that skewing my perception? And I know that there's a lot of practitioners out there who haven't figured out their health yet. And so how much is that changing what they're testing for because of their capacity to test?

Mm-hmm.

I mean, yeah, I think that's a, I think it's a valid question. I think it comes from, I think it's looking at neutrality and are people taking the time and energy to kind of, to ground out and to, you know, cause we talk, we talk about like, what's your, yeah, like, you know, what's your like dropping into your heart space, right? What's your, what's your rhythm? What's your routine? And, you know, some people, I mean, have a big thing and some.

don't do anything and there's no real right or wrong. But Dr. Todd Watts said something that, you know, it was just like a total Todd-ism that had me like, right? And he just said something like, it just decided at some point in time that it's not gonna like penetrate. It's not gonna like, right? And I was like, of course.

Of course. Yeah, of course. I just made a decision that wasn't going to bother.

I know and it's it's like it's brilliant, you know, it's so brilliant and it's so Freeing just to be like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna just just because I consider myself an empath doesn't mean I'm just like gonna be open season to everything around me and you know, that's been really freeing and then there are all kinds of like all kinds of cool energetic things that I've been taught and then I know to Clear space or clear myself. I will say a lot of my rabbit holes

You know, just a lot of things where I've had, you know, an immense amount of light shed upon like a, I don't know, kind of theory, if you will, around muscle, or like where to look or what to look for or why you're looking or questions to ask has come from my own health or running into the things I have with my kids and my loved ones where you're just like going through the wringer because

The people who used to get me out of a hole can't get me out of a hole, out of a hole anymore. know, this doesn't happen anymore. But for a while that was happening and it was frustrating. And I found, you'll find this interesting, that it was those practitioners who were not interested in learning the Cellcore muscle testing technology. I mean, there's a certain way that they've done what they do. In alignment with that test kit is just gold. It just, it allows fast flow, like

everything is there, so rarely have to go outside of it. So when it comes to say our own health issues and having a bias and what we're looking for, it's like you always start here, like start with that cell core test kit because that'll keep you busy. That's honestly, if you can just set everything.

to the side. And it is one thing that I teach. Like, look, we all have our, it's one of my favorite things actually about teaching a group of practitioners is I want to know who you are and what your background is because when you're asking me questions throughout the weekend and you're a naturopath versus an acupuncturist, it's coming from a different.

It's coming from a different way. I, I, the more I know, the better I can, you know, lean into that based on the experience I've had. And so, um, I'll just think about it from, you know, those early bodywork years, my table was set up in such a way that I could see the parking lot. There was like a window right there. And so before I knew it, I was doing a gait assessment before, before they were even in the room. And I was like, wait, that's so unfair. But it was just observation, right? And it was just like, oh, until no.

And so they would come in and I would do the thing. And so I trained myself really early on to whatever observations I gathered, I just kind of put them on the shelf and I did the thing that I do. And then I can grab the thing down from the shelf and like check or toss what's there. I don't, I just think that takes a large amount of intention and it is hard to be very intentional all the time. You know, I will say that. But a lot of the

The rabbit holes we go down, they're great, but you gotta know how to get out. Like, you go down.

The question that I asked myself is like, it worth taking the client down that rabbit hole? Like, is that the thing that's really going to fix what the issue is? And like in the fertility space, I always have to filter it through time, where it's like, do I have time to go down this rabbit hole? And then the ethical questions of, if I don't deal down this rabbit hole, are we passing something down? But are we ever really perfect? Are we always passing something down? Well, absolutely. Because if we wait until perfection, then...

Nobody's going to have any babies, you know? And that's the conversation that I have in my head all the time of like, where do I go down this rabbit hole? Is it worth it for them? Are they capable of overcoming it?

What's their capacity?

Yeah, what's their capacity? Because it's like to we say and throw these things around, like it's just parasite cleansing and this, but, you know, there's such an energetic shift that has to happen when a person is truly dealing with a pathogen that they've had for, let's face it, some of them since birth. You know, like I have a guy with full of fungus. It's like you've been full of fungus for so long. You're 35 years old sitting in front of me. You don't even know what it's like to be without it. How can I give him a taste of it?

Right.

You know, a taste of like not having fungus and here's some human cells, the ones that are like, here's me.

That's helpful. Right. Yeah, I know. I know that is a good question. And I guess I the question I get asked the most frequently is what are the questions you ask? And certainly there's like a small list of the ones that, you know, like I can't even think of them off the top of my head, but they just come up pretty frequently that I probably ask in, in every, maybe not every single follow up visit, but in every kind of say initial consult. And

Here's the thing about question asking is I think the problem is that practitioners don't give themselves permission to listen in that way. So we're listening to this like word vomit coming our way about their condition, about their symptoms and about their this and that. And we're making some observations. And inside of that, there are some little connections being made.

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This is my theory, right? When the connections are being made is when our intuition is turning on and starting to filter what makes sense, what doesn't, and then however you access information in that way. Right. It's coming in like, do we know what to jot down and what to set aside? And, um, and that's the part that I love is I don't know what those questions are. I only know when I'm in the moment, like I was reading the feedback survey from

What's noise? What's?

Seattle and someone was like, it's really great when it's just one of you. Cause it's like really small and cozy and intimate. then it's really helpful when there's two of you. Cause one can be doing the testing while the other is explaining. Cause I'm very guilty of, I just am in my like, know, I'm just doggie paddling through the water in my own. And I'm getting there. And you know, it's here's the deal is when we're doing those full demos, we cannot stop at every step to explain what we're doing, why we're doing it, why we checked it. How come?

all of that, we just have to do it. And so I know it's frustrating over there, but in the end, they just need to see like what a top-down initial consult is gonna look like from the muscle testing side of it. And then we take and break down each step and go at length with what you're asking and why you're asking that. And so there's a little bit of a shift in reality because you're not like megaphoning your initial consult to an audience.

I think as a practitioner, it's really hard to document everything that you're doing and your brain pattern because the aha moments that you have, to me, it's like, now I'm practicing to develop my intuition and it sounds crazy, but it's like, well, that's what it is. If I have you sitting in front of me, one of my mentors, she is 30 years in practice and she's like, my clinical practice is very intuitive. I then go find research to support what I'm seeing in practice, but

the body has the wisdom, so you have to look at the body. And I'm like, my God, because I'm like you, can, someone walking by me and I'm gonna look at, they have this shoulder over here and this is, and they're carrying this, they probably have insulin resistance or this is thyroid or this is whatever. And like, we were trained to do that as practitioners, but we also were probably like that. Do you know what I mean? Like we probably paid attention to those things, which is why we're in the positions that we are in. And I do find,

It is intuitive. So then it's how do we create trust with our intuition? And then how do we help our patients create that trust? Cause I know I remember you saying that, one of the cell core events, eco presentations about the moms that are coming in that are so anxious and why do we have all these vaccine injuries that they usually are going against what they believe, or maybe they have no idea what's going on, but they're like, well, somebody told me to.

And so I'm just going to do it and there's zero questioning about it. Where in reality, it's like you as a mom will know firsthand what your baby needs or doesn't need. And we were talking about preschools or whatever. Like I have schools that I'll also pay an arm and a leg for because I feel that she's well taken care of and I can see that versus, you you walk into a daycare and you're like, no, not for me. And so like,

Mm-hmm.

I'm developing that intuition, my goal is really to teach my patients to do that because they have to heal. They're the ones that are going to heal.

That's really good point. a lot of years ago, a lot of years ago, I would like to report that I didn't think my ego was involved, but it was.

Me too, I'm always just like, I'm humble, I'm humble. Don't teach me anymore.

Yeah. And so, and how this came about was I, I, you know, recognized that we were handling a lot of complex cases. And I was a bit flattered by that, to be honest, like, look, look what we can manage here. and, and I mean that the take

Totally. It is flattering though. is like that does show your expertise. Absolutely. There's no doubt about that.

Right. And so, and I very quickly discovered something, which is when you have, you know, this, this kind of onslaught of clients or patients who are saying things like you're the ninth person I've seen for this or 13th person I've seen for this or 27th person I have seen for this. And there's a little like,

Oh, and like you have this figured out and you and I was like, while we don't treat, diagnose and prescribe, this is what's testing. It makes sense to me based upon your symptoms, your life experience, your trauma, your blah, blah. Um, this is what I suggest we do about it, but isn't like, uh, like here's what we do. And then we just do that for nine months. It's like, it's going to change. you know, um, what I discovered, we would just put them on their program and

either dog diet or something, you just throw another mineral on their program or some sort of like emotional support. But when you do that nine times and now they have 23 bottles on their program, like that just doesn't feel like the priority. And for me, there's like, there's what I can see happening is there's no resolve over there. And I kind of really like to resolve things because then you can circulate energy again, right? You can move on. And so I started just

You're overwhelmed. Yeah, the system is totally.

stepping out of the box and following and leading and letting my intuition, which is quite loud, have a say. She was like very loud and I was just sort of like, no, no, no, no, you're fine. And the more I gave her front row seat, the more, literally the more divinely guided I was, honestly. And I had a lot of practitioners on my table and they're like, what are you doing? How did you discover that? What did you just, what just happened? And I was like, I don't know.

I'm just present. I'm present with person. Yeah, I'm letting the person tell me what they need.

And the biggest component to those people who came in and we were like the umpteenth person, you know, who's going to now handle their care. Here is what I recognized is there was no responsibility taken on their part for their health. And they were looking to be truly fixed. Like, I don't fix anyone. I can walk alongside. I often call myself a cruise ship director.

I'm like, I think I can see that iceberg. And so we're gonna do what we can to get around that, make it smaller. Might be a little bump. Hopefully the barge doesn't crack in half. I mean, just to be playful, honest, I was also like, you cannot laugh about this. You were not working with the right person. This is not gonna work. But that was the biggest thing. And as soon as I started to, I could just see kind of the common denominator in those particular.

programs or those particular client cases, it was like, my gosh, someone has kind of enabled their story that they're like wearing across their, they as well be wearing a t-shirt that says, you whatever it is. And I'm not, I'm not just trying to throw shade on people. I'm just, it's, it was, it was just clear. It was just clear as day. Once I saw that for myself, that's where I ate my foot, the humble pie, right?

and went, my God, this isn't even about that we handle the complex cases. This is that we can't handle the complex cases unless we cause them and roll them into their own care, enroll them into being like the number one person to guide themselves through. They have to be willing to look at this stuff. They have to be willing. I'm not a mental health care pro. I'm not going to offer you counseling. I can offer you coaching. That's what I can do.

right, and here's what I can bring to the table. And the minute I created that into kind of our, you know, report of findings consult and into this ongoing conversation about, remember that? Remember how we said we were gonna circle back around to that? It's time to circle back around to that. And so for this, I would love you to go see a yada yada for two or three sessions and then come back in. And they would do that and the needle would move. The needle would move or they'd let me do some kind of

That's the whole reason I'm here. that. Yep.

Yeah, this whole five minute conversation was worth it.

Wow, I could go home now. And so it was like surrounding myself with the right people. That's what I mean. The community you keep in bringing intention to what that is grew me so much as a practitioner in those couple of years, such that when I don't even want to say the idea to go virtual, because again, I had already been, it was already 75 % virtual. And you might appreciate this. We were about to leave for an eco.

And I had gotten really sick the year before. and it was still kind of in recovery mode and I was in my sauna one day and, I was like, all right, fall here we come notoriously unhistorically. This has not gone well, It was just like having a conversation with my nervous system. And I just was sort of like, just, just lightly inquiring. Is there anything else I need to know, you know, about how I can support myself and just went into my quiet meditation.

Yeah, follows, yeah.

and I saw my practice logo show up. I kind of was like, get out of the way, I'm not here to talk to you. And it showed up again and I pushed it out of the way three or four times. And then finally I was like, okay, what? know, just like being frustrated with your teenagers. I was like, what? Do we need to have a conversation? And I saw the word virtual, kind of cracked up. I was like, well, we've been doing that. So I don't really get, and then it comes in like on a skateboard with like.

neon lights and exclamation points and like, holy moly. Like that virtual. Okay. And there was no hesitation and there was no like, this is what happens to me with intuitive pings because then there are no decisions for me to make. It's like, it's happened. It's super divinely guided. And all I had to do then, then we went to eco and I was my posse, my sisterhood. And I was like, you guys, I think it's time for me to make that.

the

move and then the next week came home to my staff and was like, here's what I think we're going to do. And two days later I walked in and they handed me an eight page packet for like how we were going to break this down in the next eight weeks. Like you can't make that up. I could never have done that on my own ever. We'd still be in that bricks and mortar practice right now. So that's what I mean. It's like really allowing yourself to listen as a practitioner, whether you're muscle testing or not, you know, there really is, um,

you know, a force to be reckoned with out there and a, I think an element of having our backs that we just take for granted every single day. And if we can remember to just truly tap in, have one year open all the time and use that discernment in the moment, is this for me? Is this for them? Jot it down. You don't have to do anything with it. Jot it down literally on the queen of post-it notes. And that was how we developed this. How do we teach this heart space muscle testing? What does this look like when we work?

in the space of the emotional energetic and how do we get people out of the pickles they're in right there in that moment on the table. And none of that had been really, I had taken, know, Psych K at that point, which I love, it's such a fun tool to use and have since, you know, delved into the, to the MBSR tool, which has also been really phenomenal. But a lot of it was like, I need, I have, I got 30 seconds. What can I do right now?

that can just move this little, I call it the little layer of tissue paper out of the way that just gives us enough access to the little, you know, be in the bonnet or whatever it is. that's just like such a, that's just really empowering when you really start to get yourself as a practitioner and give

human inside.

I when you're first starting out, like you just have to listen to what other people are doing, right? Like you almost have to copy. then the part where I'm realizing now it's like, I'm copying so then I can develop my own style versus I'm just going to copy. Do know what I mean? It's like, what is this person doing? How are they doing it? And then so on and so forth. Tell me, do you have tips for like patients on how to find a braid practitioner? Because I think

practitioner.

Yeah, because I think that that's really difficult to do as well. And whether that's conventional or, you holistic.

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy, the Google, right? Like, that's kind of crazy. we get so many people who are just like, we Google searched a parasite cleansing and we found you. Or it gets just crazy to me. So it's a little bit, how well do you have yourself SEO'd out there? But then also from like a, if you're thinking local, you're-

I'm thinking, not even virtual, but I'm thinking like, you know, how come it took 19 practitioners get to the person that said, when are you going to take responsibility for your health? You know, and so I find that it's actually very intuitive to find the practitioner and like, for the patient to like listen for certain words, because I knew when I found my practitioner who like, really changed the way that I am today and how I therefore practice. It was like, this person is going to help me.

Right.

you know, but I had to go through a couple to get to that point. So I'm wondering if you have, you know, tips to help people find those practitioners who are going to move the needle for them.

Well, I would say really listen to, not like listen to your friends and family from like a you should do this, but listen to them from their experience and watch to see if the experience that they say they're having is the experience that you've witnessed and observed, right? Because if that tracks, right?

Yeah, when the person says, feel amazing, but they're like, you haven't lost any weight. You're still tired. You're still anxious.

Whatever it is. Also, think not enough people put their eggs like in the coaching or life coaching basket or even just a health coaching basket because we really don't always have to work with this big functional medicine doctor to get the same. I'm not a doctor. mean, I don't, you know, and so depending on your state and your whatnot. I would think it's more about being clear. Here's the other thing.

It's more about being clear about what is your intended outcome. Cause I think we're all just like, well, I want to feel better. Okay. Well, don't we all, but yeah, that doesn't mean you're going to have to go to this big nasty nine month protocol, turn yourself inside out. Like it just, it, if at the end of the day, you want to experience more joy and you want more restorative sleep and you want

But specifically

you know, a little more energy and to make better food choices. Like that's a really beautiful. I always just, you know, my clients, they, have to create an intention.

once we've like sealed the deal and we're in relationship together, they have to create an intention that we are very specifically standing in. So that if things feel wonky or go awry, I can say like, so, Jane, let's just revisit this for a second. Cause I actually think you've kind of maybe grown out of this part of it. And do we need to just remove that or do we need to now?

plug and play something that it has you standing in the future fulfilled, not just like in the moment of running the rat race. And that seems to be gold. that's been, that's been a, we've done that for a number of years and it causes people to get out of their head of the experience that they're having in the moment. Now we want people to be present, but like the, headaches and my migraines and my period and my headaches and my migraines, like that's just like,

They're on the hamstring. It's replay. Right. That redundant repetition, subconscious, blah, blah. so getting them to be present in a, but how do you want to feel? I got that. I got that you're this, and I got that you're that. next week, how would you like to feel next week or three months down the road if they can't even wrap their brain around three months, three years, we'll talk about days? Anyway, so that I just think is such a good tidbit.

and even more powerful because truly the more people are in their head and stuck in that hamster wheel, the more junk is going to show up as noise in their muscle test, in my opinion. And so for that new practitioner, you're like 27 vials tested and they're all a priority and what do I do? And I don't know how to manage this. It's like, you just don't know how to cut through the noise yet. And that's okay because you'll learn that over time.

Yeah, yeah, cutting through the noise. mean, the appointments that you had for three hours that were supposed to be 45 minutes. We've all been there. But thank you, Nicole, for being here. Is there anything else that you want to share before I let you go? Where can we find you?

Seriously, right? Yeah, for real.

Okay.

find you at MyHealthyBeginning.com.

And you're seeing a lot of families, you see a lot of young families.

Yeah, I do. And sometimes it's mama because of the kiddo and it's determined that we should probably handle mom first because that'll handle 50 % of what the kid's dealing with a lot of times. Or, you know, and sometimes we manage the child first. It just depends on the...

I to specialize in pediatrics because I used to coach kids. And then I quickly realized that if I want to make a change in the child, I need to make a change in the family. And then I was like, I'll get them a pregnancy because, but it's like, well, it turns out you can't do much at pregnancy because that's when all the issues. Yeah. So I'm like, it really does start before. And it's such a hard concept for people to understand, but it's like, no, no, if you're healthy, both you and your partner.

The chances of the whole thing going really well, much, greater. And then literally the genetic blueprint is in that egg and the sperm and what you do throughout the entire pregnancy.

So.

Yeah. That's good work.

I mean, I think all of our holistic practitioners, that's why I try to bring people on and just share what are you seeing? What are you doing in practice? How is it working? Because we are on the front lines and I do see a really big change in health and I think all of us are. And it is alarming and it is hard for us to be the people like, I don't want to come from this perspective as I told you so. It's more like, guys, we need to change something because I have children. I want to...

leave the planet a better place. want my children to have healthy friends and healthy partners when they're older. And it's like, that's literally what drives me to help people have healthy babies, you know, versus like, I'm gonna make more profit. that's part of a business, but it's not the whole thing, you know? Exactly. Thanks so much, Nicole, for being here.

Sure. It's not your intention. Yeah.

Yeah, thanks for having me.