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158: Why Understanding Mitochondrial Health Holds the Key to Reversing Age-Related Fatigue with Roderick Lambert
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“It’s not too late—never too late to start,” says Roderick Lambert, midlife men’s weight loss coach and quantum biology enthusiast, who joins the Quantum Biology Collective Podcast to unpack why the classic advice to “move more, eat less” fails most men in their 40s and 50s—and what really works instead. The key, Roderick Lambert explains, isn’t calorie counting or punishing gym routines, but restoring health at the cellular level: supporting mitochondria through light, water, magnetism, and honoring our ancient circadian rhythms.

In today’s episode, Roderick reveals how accelerated aging is the hidden epidemic behind stubborn weight gain, poor sleep, and brain fog in midlife, and shares the practical protocol he uses to help clients reclaim energy and cognitive clarity—often more quickly than they expect. He recounts his own transformation, the science of biophoton emissions, and what measuring the actual light coming off his own body taught him about aging and resilience. He also offers simple, actionable adjustments for anyone stuck in a modern, screen-filled lifestyle who wants to optimize their health even without drastic life changes.

Tune in to learn why our bodies are wired to respond to sunlight, local food, and daily movement—and why understanding your mitochondria could be the most powerful shift you ever make for lifelong vitality.

5 Key Takeaways

  1. Light is everything—start every day outdoors. Morning sunlight sets your brain and metabolism for real resilience and energy.
  2. Rethink food—ditch factory-made, embrace local and seasonal. Prioritize protein, eat mindfully, and let natural satiety guide your portions.
  3. Own your sleep—stay consistent with bedtime and wake up routines. Make your bedroom pitch black and track how quality sleep transforms your mood, body, and focus.
  4. Protect your circadian rhythm—limit screens at night and use blue blockers. Swap out harsh indoor lights for full spectrum bulbs whenever you can.
  5. Progress is personal—focus on building systems, not chasing perfection. Every small shift—from a walk outside to a better meal—can reset your trajectory for lifelong health.

Memorable Quotes

"When you look at what brings health, it all goes down to light, water, magnetism, the mitochondria. You have to hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental in the way we've set it up in a standard way of life."
"It's logical—we were wandering around outdoors all year round. The only water we had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers, and the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally. That's how our physiology has adapted itself to work."
"As we age, our cells start to get less functional, producing more light. More and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to function less efficiently, and when they do, it creates a chain reaction of oxidative stress. This is why we start to see things like cognitive decline and chronic disease at younger ages—the rate that humans are aging is accelerating."

Connect with Roderick

Website - https://mmh.midlifemetabolichealth.com/links-page

LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/rodericklambert/

Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/MidlifeMetabolicHealth

Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/midlifemetabolichealth/

Resources Mentioned

Joe Dispenza Meditations - https://drjoedispenza.com/

Guy Foundation - https://www.theguyfoundation.org/

Solite Photonutrition Panel by Ken Seder - https://solite.eu/

Midlife Metabolic Health - https://midlifemetabolichealth.com/

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Roderick Lambert, welcome to the QVC podcast. Hello,

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Meredith. It's a privilege and an honor to be here. I've been listening to

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so many of them, and now I'm actually appearing on one. It's like, oh, my

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God, here you are. Well, thank you so

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much. I really appreciate that. And I'm excited

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to talk to you and hear about your journey. You've done

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such good work spreading the light wellness

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message to the world and especially, as I was just saying,

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especially to the men, because

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I talk a lot about women's health and I'm like, oh,

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I've kind of been ignoring the boys. So. Roderick, I know

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you work with lots of people, but you do have a strong focus on men

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of a certain age. So tell me what you're seeing out there in

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the world with your clients who are

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probably just out there living their lives and not overly

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focused on biohacking or anything like that. Yeah, well, I'm

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not really a biohacker, but when you look at what

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it is that brings health, it all goes down to light,

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water, magnetism, the mitochondria. And thus you have to

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hack the modern environment because it's pretty detrimental

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in the way we've set it up in a standard way of

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life. But yeah. So men,

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midlife, so whatever that means to you, I call it 40 to 60

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years old. Typically they're working in high pressure

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jobs. Have a family achieved something in their career,

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and Those sort of 20 or 30 years of

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intense hard work and achievement

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have led them to accelerate their

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mitochondrial aging or accelerated aging. And

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the ones that come to me generally are at a stage where they've realized,

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okay, I'm 50, I'm 30, 40 kilograms

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overweight. Starting to feel that kind of not thinking as

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clearly as previous as I used to.

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Stamina is failing. I can't do this stuff. I used to. And

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all the things that worked in my 20s and early 30s, like going

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on a health drive and dieting and running and going to the

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gym, they're not working anymore.

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So that's. That's kind of the sort of typical client.

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That is a really good point. And I think that that is a

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turning point for a lot of people. It's like we developed at a

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certain stage in life, we kind of developed ideas of what it means to be

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healthy. And when we're off track, we're like, oh, I got to get back

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to those things. Like, I got to start running again and, and, you know,

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not eat so many donuts or whatever. And then you

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finally gather the willpower to do that, you get back on track

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and it's not having this at all. The same effects

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that it had when we were in our 20s. And it's like,

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what's going on? How do you, how do you explain that

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to them? Well,

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that's a good question. It's something I'm still working on, trying to get that

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message across. But I very, very clearly,

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all my messaging and I talk to clients and the first thing I do with

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a new client is we just go briefly over what, you know, what

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is the mitochondria, what are the mitochondria? Rather, what is a

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mitochondria? And what. And, you know, let's

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ditch this idea of calories in, calories out. It literally

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doesn't obey the 21st century understanding

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of physics as we know it. So now when

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you consider this little organelle, all the things that impact and affect

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it, then that's where we're going to do the work. So, yes, it is

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movement, yes, it is food composition, but it's also timing

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of food. It's the light diet, it's your circadian rhythms getting back on

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track and some sort of. We do a bit of

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fasting work as well for better accelerating fat adoption and the

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benefits of fasting. So I try and frame it round. Let's

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get your cells humming, your mitochondria purring back

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at least as well as they should be at the age of 50, let's say,

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because that's the key to, first of all,

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getting rid of all the excess body fat and improving

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your stamina and brain function.

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But also when you've done that and you've done it in the way we're going

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to do together and built those habits, then you'll be able to maintain it then

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for the rest of your life and you will get the

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maximum health span for your lifespan.

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Nice. Yeah. Because I think it's. It is,

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you know, I mean, for you and I, we've been talking about

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mitochondrial health for a long time and it's like, yes, of course, but

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it's not well understood out in the, in

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the general mainstream at all. And it,

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and the implications of thinking of health

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as beginning at the level of mitochondria

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are very wide ranging and really, as you said,

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go much beyond what the traditional understanding

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would be. So could you

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explain a little bit sort of in your words, for a general audience,

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how you see it all fitting together?

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Well, I think it mirrors my own kind of

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journey into this, this world, this subcellular

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world, even veering on the subatomic but

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I start. All my life I didn't know what a mitochondria was. I worked

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30 years in HR, Human Resources.

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I don't remember learning about mitochondria at school. I always feel a bit

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embarrassed when people say, oh, at school you learned it was the powerhouse of the

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cell. I don't even remember learning about mitochondria. Neither do I.

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It was not mentioned at all.

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So yeah, and I thought it was calories in, calories out,

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eat less, move more. And I sort of maintained till

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the early 30s, slightly increased weight from my teenage

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years, but nothing unreasonable. But as you get

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older, you get more and more mitochondrial

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damage. They stop functioning as smoothly as well as they

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should and the problems start to pile up slowly. And

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of course I did the usual thing, getting up extra early to go for that

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morning jog, trying all sorts of

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diets and things and generally sort of starving myself. It worked for

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a bit and then you give up because something happens or life happens and it

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all comes back again with interest. And I got to the

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point I turned 40, become a father

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and got a new position in my corporate career.

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And after a few years, three years of that, I realized

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first of all, this corporate God that we all worship, I wasn't happy to,

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didn't find it fulfilling to still worship. But

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also I'd ballooned after a year or two of like

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intense jogging and eating pasta and vegetables five times a

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day and losing 5kg, I

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obviously couldn't keep that up and got balloons to the

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heaviest and biggest I'd ever been. So I quit the

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job, my corporate career, trained as a coach. But at

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the same time I had started to go down this sort of rabbit hole, peeled

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off the first onion skin of. Okay, so it's

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not just calories in, calories out, it's this whole thing about what you eat,

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the macronutrients. So that was, you know, I started discovering that the low

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carb, high fat world. And it was

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like someone had taken a blinkers off my eyes. My God.

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It's actually, the thing actually makes a difference what you eat in

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terms of what happens to it when it goes inside you. And I just kept

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digging and digging and digging and digging. And while I'd started out as a

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life and business coach, I was still fascinated

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by this whole world of actually what is human

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health, Having applied it to myself and

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dropped all the extra weight, 25kg in seven months.

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And then eventually I just switched to being midlife

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men's weight loss coach. By the way, I have successfully coached Some

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women too, but generally it is.

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And, yeah, and I just kept going down and I was getting this idea, okay,

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so it's the organs, it's the Insulin, the Resistance, etc.

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And then I realized. But hang on. But there's something more there. There's, you know,

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these sort of. Then slowly, you know, when you start thinking about things, that the

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universe starts putting things your way. And. And there was a

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point, I think, three years ago where I was. Yeah,

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someone had told me about this.

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It was a money meditation thing. Joe Dispenza.

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I'm not sure who. It was someone like that

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to play this six times a day and get into a kind of a

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meditative state and read this book. It was

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called the Quantum Warrior, I think.

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But it really resonated with me. And

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funnily enough, my business started, you know, it was going in a bit of a

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fallow period at that time. It started going well

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and. But even. Interesting. Yeah, well.

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And then I bumped into. Well, well, well, well, well, that's

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what we're supposed to think anyway. And now these days, I

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believe that there's a lot, a lot to say for

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that. But I bumped into the

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seven and a half hour interview between

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Jack Cruz, Rick Rubin and. Who was it?

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Huberman, wasn't it? Yes. And that was like. That was

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like, wow, about another five layers of.

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That'll take you all the way to the middle of the onion. And, you

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know, I was floundering like I was in a

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tsunami of, you know, tidal waves. I was completely lost, but

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it just fascinated me, so. And that's when I started really looking down,

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getting below the organs, the endocrine

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system, down into. Into how cells work. And that took me to the.

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The mitochondria. And since then it's just been digging deeper and deeper

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and learning more about it.

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Fantastic. I love that. I love that journey.

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It's quite similar to my own, actually. It's like.

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It's like, okay, I'll try this. Okay, I'll try this. And then it's like, wait,

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what? Well, try, but also read and

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study and listen. I mean, on this browser I have something like

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50 tabs open with various different papers I still haven't got around to reading,

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but just too much. So, okay,

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so tell us. Because, yes, the research

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journey is intense. And then there's. And there's so much of it,

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Right. It's not like, oh, there's, you know, one or two papers floating out there

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that we can extrapolate from. It's, you know, there are, I think

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in PubMed. Last I checked, there were more than

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90,000 papers on circadian rhythm slash

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regulation. And then the last time I

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checked the papers on quantum biology, you know, they were

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much lower, but they're building and building. So

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when you started to look at all of this,

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which is incredibly overwhelming. So good for you,

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what were some of the key insights that you started to have?

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And how did you start to sort of make sense of

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this world of mitochondria and light?

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And apparently we have little

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organisms in our body reading frequency all day long. Like how did you

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sort of, how did that kind of. How'd you land the

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plane on that? I don't know if I've landed yet, but

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yeah, I was gonna say we're never landing. We're gonna be

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circling for decades. Yeah. But you know what's strange?

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It's like it just makes sense. It's. For me it just

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kind of fits it. It's like, yes, that

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simply makes sense that you know, when you're barefoot on the

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ground, your, your autonomous nervous system

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resets to, you know, the parasympathetic and, or why

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it's so great here. You know, the forest circadian retreat

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in the forests. Why? It's just, you come back from a weekend here and you

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feel like a different person. You know, is it

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the ions and anti of the air? Is it

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the green of the green color of

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the foliage? Is it

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the infrared reflecting down off the leaves? Is it the

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being, you know, lack of electro smog that you have in

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a large natural national park? Is it just the fact

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you're moving or the fresh air or whatever? I mean there are all sorts of

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things that could be, but you can actually sort

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of trace little lines of evidence to all these things.

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Some lines are longer, some are less, some are more speculative, some

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are more factual, but you can still do it and it just makes sense. So

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I think for me, and also the first principles, I'd say, you know, we,

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I mean not just Homo sapiens, what is it, 300,000 years homo sapiens, but just

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the whole our ancestry in fact. Then you get, then you get down to things

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like how life started on the planet, which is just, you know,

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you get into life, the creation of life on planet and you get into

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consciousness and that's just really mind blowing. But

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let's not go there right now. Anyway, so you

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think, you know, it's logical we were wandering around with

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maybe some skins on us, doing

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whatever we did, hunting, gathering, reproducing,

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maybe starting to make some tools and Stuff outdoors

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all year round. The only water we

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had to drink was in the natural sources of springs and rivers.

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And the food we had was what grew locally and seasonally.

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And we spend a lot of time not eating, we spend a lot of time

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moving. We spent a lot of time in the direct sun,

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also in the shade. And it just makes

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sense. That is how we adapted. That's how our physiology

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has adapted itself to work. So when you take away all these

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inputs, then suddenly your physiology doesn't have

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that comfortable, comfortable, familiar surrounding

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environment that it spent hundreds of thousands and hundreds of thousands, even

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millions of years developing around. So I think it just

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makes sense from that kind of first principles point of view.

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Yeah, absolutely. And I really relate to that. It's like on the

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one hand it's like why didn't. It's like what? And on the other hand it's

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like, oh yeah, of course we're supposed to

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get natural light. Of course there's a difference between

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real light and fake light. Like actually. Yes. Why haven't

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we been thinking about that? Of course we wake up at sunrise and

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you know, and went to rest at sunset. Yeah.

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So yeah, it just makes sense like that. I mean we are

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still have the physiology of cavemen.

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You know, we haven't adapted as quickly, that quickly to.

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It's been impossible to adapt so quickly to the rate of change

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that has been going on the last, well, definitely the last 300 years. But in

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particular the last hundred and fifty and the last

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ten, you know, it's just going mad, the exponential

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technological advancement. I mean it's wonderful but at the same time it's

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almost entirely detrimental to what ourselves

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require and are expected and have adapted to do so. They are

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adapting and well, they're reacting to this new environment

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in a way that is meant to make, you know, keep you

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alive to survive the natural selection.

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But it's, it's, it's an uphill. These reactions

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may manifest as what we call

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disease. Yeah.

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And for people like your clients, you know,

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people who are in middle age and work a

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traditional career, those careers have

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become basically a full time screen job. I mean

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my husband has a job like that and he's, he's on zooms today

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from 8 till 6.

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You know, he's got a window cracked and he goes out, runs outside every,

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every hour. But that's, you know, that's his

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life. And it used to be like you, you could still burn

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out from stress, but you weren't in front of a

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screen that much. So. And then I want

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to get into, I want to get into your, your experiment that you did recently.

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But before we get into that. So the blue light, right? So we're in

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front of all these screens just by virtue of our

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careers. A lot of, for a lot of people. So

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just walk, walk us through how you

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recommend that somebody in that situation

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makes adjustments and why. Because I, I want this

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episode, this episode is to be shared with the men in

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your life. That's what this is

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for. So I want them to understand, like, okay, what are, what should I be

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doing then? Right. And,

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you know, what can I do? We can't go back to living as we did

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only, you know, 5,000 years ago. That's

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literally impossible in this day and age. So what can we do? And

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this, you know, so I'll take you through actually what I do with clients because

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that's the easiest way. The Mitre Regen protocol, as I

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call it. And so basically we start

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with, we start with four pillars. So one is food composition.

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So the

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only rule you need to remember about what you eat is that it should be

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local and seasonal. That's the easiest rule to remember.

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And of course it should be thus. Hopefully, logically,

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it's also therefore whole food. Foods that

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grow in the ground or run around on the land, fly in the air or

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swim in the water, but not coming out of a factory in a

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been. Yeah. So slow, clean, seasonal. And because I'm

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Here at the 50th degree north

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latitude Czechia, just like most of my clients, you know, Germany,

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France, uk, then

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that means in the winter, naturally, basically

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eating primarily animal based. And then in

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the spring and summer, you're going to be adding in all the stuff that grows

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around you. And is it the flower farmers market? That's like. So that's the

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food thing. And here's

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a quick tip for all you gents, but also the ladies. I must say,

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they tend to actually underestimate

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the power of protein even more. But

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the first thing to do is a protein challenge. So basically I

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tell them to supersize their protein portions in their meals. Eat

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it first, chew it slowly, don't watch TV and

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scroll on your device while you're eating, and monitor your satiety.

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When you get to 8 out of 10, you stop eating.

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And I get messages back because I'm in constant contact with my clients on

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WhatsApp. It's like one client called it witchcraft. A lady, by the

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way, this is some sort of witchcraft because she suddenly didn't have any, she didn't

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want any chocolates she hadn't eaten for, I don't know, five hours or

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something. And crazy. Another guy,

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three in the afternoon. So I had breakfast this morning and it's absolutely

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weird, I'm still not hungry. He was a

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CEO of a bank. So it was like

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amazing what happens when you just start to actually give

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your cells the substrate that they need

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to actually then make energy more efficiently,

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less messily then the second

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prong. So look at your diet. I mean, look at not how much

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you eat volume, but look at the content of what

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you're eating, the composition and relearn your natural hunger

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and satiety signals. And generally

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that switches within a matter of days once they start. That

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second boot camp, as I call it, is based on

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sleep and circadian rhythms. I don't normally

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give it the title and the light diet because that can scare people

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off. And in general we do the sleep and

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circadian rhythms and the light diet I kind of put in

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here and there, et cetera. So you get start getting the idea that the

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light we are exposed to has fundamental

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physiological or we react fundamentally at the

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level of cells and hormones to the

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different types of light we expose ourselves to. But circadian

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rhythms again, I mean, for the gents and the

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ladies, the phases of dark and night,

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sorry, dark and light, absolutely key to

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all biological systems

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and all the things that go on within them and the things they do

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are hooked up to this central clock that is the

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main, the main signal is the phase

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of light and then dark and then light and then dark. Yes,

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different biological systems do different things at different times, but

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that is the, that's the pendulum that just ticks day in, day

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out. And yeah, so

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there's a sort of education, but I mean, I focus on sleep because that's what

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a lot of people suffer from. And when they fix the circadian rhythm, then

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suddenly they're sleeping better, not just sleep onset that the sleep

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biologists seem to get so obsessed about. That's important

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how quickly you fall asleep, but it's actually what's going on during

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the sleep. You know, you've got your architecture, sleep architecture. You want

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to have no disruptions. Ideally, yes, there's a certain amount

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of length, but you need certain things to happen. Leptin,

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reset the glymphatic system, clearing up

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your brain, you know, the brainwash at night

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and all these other things. So to do that though, you have to get the

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internal cascade of hormones and that sort of constant

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interplay of cells and organs in

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the right synchronicity with so they work in the right

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order and do the right thing at the right time. So that's really key as

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well. And because I primarily my message is

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about weight loss, your metabolism is

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almost entirely controlled by this circadian rhythm.

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And if you're not getting the right quality sleep, then you're going to really

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struggle to lose weight long term

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for sure. Third boot camp then we go into like

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a bit deeper into fat adaption and fasting. So we talk about the timing of

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food. I mean you and I would probably talk about chrono nutrition

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actually eating when you're supposed to eat in the day. Depending on the season, you're

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ideally going to eat during daylight, not at night,

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after dark. But that's pretty hard for most people

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who are working. So it's about, you know,

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perhaps narrowing that eating window down to let's say 12 hours or

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10 or whatever kind of works for them. But also

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starting to exercise what I call the fasting muscle.

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So going to 24 hour fast, trying that a few times.

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Some people, one recent client said to me, no, I

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can't do 24 hours. I've been without food for

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18 hours before. And I got the shakes and felt disinfectant. That's okay, it's cool.

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And after a month of being on the, you know, this is. Anyway a month's

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gone by then. I think his fat adaption had improved his ability to

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switch between burning glucose, burning fat.

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And so he did it and it was like, wow, that was

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so easy. And now he's gone, he's, he's mad about fasting. It's like for him,

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that is the biggest mind blowing thing that

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he's learned from me is that he can actually go two days now

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without, oh,

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there's someone going down the stairs.

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Yeah. So anyway, so he's like absolutely

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off his mind that he can go two days without eating anything at all

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and just be extra focused on all the stuff he has to

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do. And the final bit is movement. Yes,

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movement's important, but it's not about burning calories, it's about everything from, you know,

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the piezoelectric effect, about

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mitochondrial regeneration, etc,

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etc, so you know, deuterium depletion. So

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those are the four pillars and that's how I explain it. But I explained in

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the concept of their daily. That's why it's one on one because, you

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know, this lady I'm working with,

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I'm getting a lot, I'm not sure if it's on the recording, but I'm getting

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a lot of banging in my ears

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it's the. So yeah, one lady I'm working with, for her she's

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rediscovered her enjoyment of swimming. So she's now going

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four times a week to the local swimming pool. Another guy's got his own little

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sort of mini home gym and a treadmill. So for him it's

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just tweaking the way he does his weights but also how he does his

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cardio. Because I'm a big fan of

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Philip Maffatone or Maffatoni. I'm not sure how you pronounce his surname.

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American sports scientist and his math method.

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So it's different for everybody how you.

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In the details but the broad concepts are the same. And then we go

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for two months where I'm actually putting on the coach's hat, where

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I'm helping them to learn through their own experience

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and build these habits into what I call

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systems. So actually they're building a system for

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continued success. There's no kind of end

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date or goal to achieve specific. Well there is one. There are

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a couple but it's more about. It's starting to become

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then standard way of living. Right. And then we might bring in

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things like cold thermogenesis and grounding. But I. That's based on the

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temperature of the client and how they do.

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That's. That's a very thorough and robust approach. I love it.

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There was. So there's. There was one. There's one piece that I wanted

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to expand on a little because I do find this really

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trips people up. And when I say things like this

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people just stare at me like what is. You are

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so crazy. You know the idea that circadian rhythm

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is connected to our metabolism and

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I mean we know it's connected to every biological function but I think

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that that one in particular people are like, what. How

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does like circadian rhythm is like when I get jet

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lagged how. What does that have to do with my metabolism? Could you

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expand on that piece a little bit? I will

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try to. And yeah. And the first thing I'd say is that

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unless they're paying me, I don't talk about this stuff at all. Not even at

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home because you just get looked at like you're mad

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or I'm on a podcast, I'm happy to divulge.

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So how does circadian rhythm impact

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your metabolism? The broader

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picture is I use Swiss railways. So

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it's basically the Swiss railway system is renowned for being on time. I don't know

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if it's still true, but it used to be. Or Japanese bullet trains. They run

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on they literally to the second on time.

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And so there's a central controller

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there that is ensuring that all the trains and all the junctions,

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all the stations and all the drivers are getting the right information at the right

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time. So, so the trains can go speedily, without delay,

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safely along their routes to the destinations.

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As soon as that controller starts to

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misread his script or press the wrong buttons, then you're going to start

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getting accidents on the track, trains are going to get

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delayed, et cetera, et cetera. So including the train,

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that is your metabolism, because that is

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site that is linked to again the

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phases of dark and light and also dark and light, and also

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when you eat that time of that moment that you eat during the day,

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once, twice, maybe three times during the day, then

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that also helps, that's feedback for the circadian system

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about food consumption. So

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consistency is one thing and regularity. But

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concerning the actual idea of,

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well, so one of these trains I talked about is the

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metabolism train. And at night,

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while a lot of people I think just kind of think sleep is just something

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you do, you switch off and then in the morning you switch on again and

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nothing's happened. And if you're lucky, you feel refreshed.

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Actually I provocatively say

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you actually do more in your sleep than you do during the day. In the

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day your body's just keeping you alive, but at

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night it's doing everything that helps you stay alive the next

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day, fixing all the damage. I use the supermarket as an

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allergy, the 24 hour supermarket that during the day there's no time to

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clean up all the stocks coming off the shelves, people are buying, they are

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dropping stuff, making a mess, etc. But at night the supermarket

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closes, the cleaning crew comes out and they clean up the stock,

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they restock the shelves, etc. If it didn't happen that,

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if that didn't happen or it wasn't long enough, or it wasn't done good enough

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quality, then the next day when the supermarket opens, there won't be enough

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supplies, there'll still be a mess, etc. So

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I don't get, don't often have to go

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so deep down into details like you know, leptin signaling

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and being

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in a certain phase of sleep, you know, certain period after you've gone to

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sleep, which is actually not so much after you go to sleep. It's like since

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you saw the first light that previous morning, that then

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this sort of whole leptin signaling, the main, I call

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him the main or it the chief

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accountant, inventory Stock taking, that takes place at night. But if

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you're not getting to bed

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at a certain time, after you've got up and seen the morning light

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in a certain stage of sleep, then that inventory won't take place. And your

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body simply says, your body gives the brain, or brain gives the

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message. Okay, tomorrow, there's scarcity.

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There's scarcity in the environment. Everything we

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consume, we're going to have to store. That's the default,

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default mode that your

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metabolism is in store because there isn't enough. But if the brain

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is getting the signal inventory and can take stock

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of what the food environment's like, how much fat there is

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in the body, et cetera, et cetera, then the brain gives permission.

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Yep, tomorrow you don't have to store. You can burn and

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that will affect your appetite as well as how you

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actually use what you're taking in. That was a long answer. Sorry.

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No, I love it. That's great. This is what we're here

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for, is to, to hear how this works.

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And I think metaphors are the perfect way to do it

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because I feel like once we can wrap our minds around

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it, then what you were saying about creating those systems and

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creating a relationship with food and

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light that's different from the one we had before, it becomes more possible

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because the intellectual part of us does

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want to be satisfied. I always say my, my intellect needs

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like a bone to chew on so I can go and change my habits

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without it interfering too much.

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Doubtless you've heard the phrase, when you know better, you do better.

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Yeah. And to have enough to understand why.

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And because at the end of the day that changing our

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light is not that hard. I mean, when

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you think about all the other things people think they have to do to lose

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weight, you know,

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mitigating bright light at night and going outside in the morning is

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like actually just thinking about like, compared to

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gastric bypass surgery or liposuction or

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marathons or whatever people think they have to do.

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Yeah, it's actually pretty straightforward.

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And sometimes I think that's the issue. Like it's too simple, but like, no, it

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should be more like, should be more complicated, but

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not really. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

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I have nothing to say. Well, it can be complicated because right

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now, you know, it's dark at 5:30 in the evening and

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only gets light at 7 or something in the morning over here. So.

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So the social clock, unfortunately is the same all year round. The solar

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clock changes as we progress through the

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seasons. And that has to, you know, you have to sort of think about that

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a little bit. So. And it is quite. I mean, I struggle with it

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myself a little bit. What to do in the morning. I get up at 6,

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make my son breakfast and it's dark. So what am I gonna do about

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my light environment? So what do you do?

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Well, currently. Well, last year, last winter I was

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being very, very

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diligent about wearing my blue blockers and

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using just this, for instance, this little beacon here. It's a no blue

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beacon from your friends.

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Friends at block blue light. But it's really handy this

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and sort of not quite

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finding my way in the dark but under these dim circles and then once the

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sun comes up, getting outside

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this winter, I'm not being as consistent or diligent, I have to say.

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So I'm using one of those bulbs that emits at least a full

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spectrum of visible light to kind of

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replicate that light. Although I'm fully aware that

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it's maybe not even a tenth as strong as

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the sun's daylight, so it

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won't have the same effect. But yeah,

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I know of a great panel that I think you've had

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him, Ken Seeder on the podcast. Yeah. So his

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Solite photonutrition panel, I'm a big

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fan because it's 13,000 lux,

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powerful, full range, not just visible

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balanced visible light, but also into the near infrared.

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So, you know, almost as close to as about as close

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to the sun as you can get from a tech device perhaps.

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And then you can switch it into a red and infrared lamp

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panel for therapy later

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on. So I want to get myself one of them, but I haven't got around

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to it. That would be the perfect for winter. That'd be perfect. Yeah,

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those are great. And yeah, Ken Seder's lights are

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great. It's a non profit organization and

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he worked alongside John Ott back in the day. So

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yeah, great product. I'm happy to support, support him. And, and I agree and

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I love you explaining that because yes, you know, we, we, we have life,

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we, our children go to school, we. There are certain things that,

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I mean, I know people who have opted out completely and, and

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run their own schedules and I have deep respect for that. But

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not all of us have chosen to do that. But what I'm hearing you

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say is that there are ways to make choices that are at least

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keeping in mind the circadian aspects.

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And so even if we can't at this

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moment rearrange our schedule, we can not

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look at our phone first, we can at least have a full spectrum bulb or

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something. Approximating. Approximating

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what we could be getting outside and.

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Yeah, and I think it's. I really do encourage people to, you know, work with

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a practitioner who understands this because. Cause there are nuances to it

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and it's just so important. So that's the message. It

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matters. It doesn't have to be perfect, and

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it could be the best you can do. We don't have any purity

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tests here. Whatever. Every small step counts.

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Cracking your car window on the morning drive.

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Putting on the blue blockers like you're wearing when you watch TV at

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night. Like all these little things. All right, cool.

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So thank you so much for that. I think you have given, like, a really

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solid overview. I hope that all of the

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husbands and boyfriends who are. And dads who are having this episode

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shared with them feel seen. Okay.

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You're. It's, you know, life is life and things happen.

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So if you're not feeling or looking how you'd like to

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be, there's lots of, lots of possibilities in the world

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to do things differently and feel good.

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And Rodrick's a great guide for that.

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So. Okay, so tell me, you've been

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waiting, haven't you? Yeah, I've been waiting. I'm like, okay, I've got to

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cover them. We got to do the foundational pieces.

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So you're just casually mentioning that you had your

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biophoton emissions measured. Yeah. I

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didn't know you could do that. Yeah, well, you can't just do it anywhere. I

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was gonna say, what's going on in Prague?

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Well, yeah, so

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there I was watching a lecture in the Light

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right now, the Guy Foundation. If you know anybody who wants to get into

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this, it's. Maybe you're like

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several levels advanced. Well, doesn't matter. Guy Foundation. The Guy

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foundation is amazing. That. That is deep science, friends. So if.

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If that's what you need, go there. If you need the deep science, go to

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see. Go see the Guy Foundation. But, you know, you had

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Bob Fosbury on. On recently. I just listened to his.

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To the. You know, he's. I could listen to him hundreds of times. There's always

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something you. But anyway, he was giving a lecture in the spring sort of

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autumn series currently ongoing, on Light.

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And introducing the talk was this

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Czech researcher scientist called Dr.

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Michael Tiffre. And I thought, bloody hell, he's here in Prague.

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I should just reach out and contact him. And in that quantum

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way, as it happened, well, I reached out to him on LinkedIn. Just say, hello,

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are we connected, etc. And as it happened,

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a Few weeks later, the Czech Academy of Sciences had its week

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of open house for the Czech Academy of Sciences,

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various locations. And the

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Institute of Photonics and electronics, where Dr.

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Sifra has his lab, had

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also excursions and lectures there. So I

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signed up free of charge. It was great. Let him know that I was coming,

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that I'd say hello, you know, poor guy. And. Yeah, and so

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I went to see, you know, what was put on for the public and I

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knocked on his door and we got talking and I said, yeah, be really

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cool actually, because his research is around

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ultra weak photon emissions. That means the light that is

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created in your body all the time,

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what it's for, how to measure it, what it's good for, etc. And

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trying to understand it. So that is a large part of his work. The rest

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of his lab also is looking at how to use microwave

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EMF to modulate. They're looking

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particularly at microtube tubules in the cells. So that's very

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interesting too. But anyway, he's

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real expert on

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ultra weak photonic emissions. Your own

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biophotons. Right. So for people just joining

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the party, our body actually emits light.

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So that does tie back into how light is so important. I mean, we are.

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It has been shown with. You can't see it with the naked eye, but

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it has been shown that we are giving off

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what is called ultra weak biophoton emissions. And

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so this guy has a lab where he studies those. Exactly.

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And yeah, and he's done some interesting papers and posters and research on the topic.

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And I said, it'd be really cool, you know, at some point if I, if

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I would be able to like measure my own biophotons. So he

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said, well, yeah, okay, let's. Let's go and do it. So

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I went into this. Yeah, it's absolutely cool. The guy is really nice as well.

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So. Yeah, and

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one of his research team took me into this dark room.

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There was a big black box with a cuff, a sleeve,

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black sleeve. She said, you know, put your hand in there. Then there's a

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sensor, there's a place to rest your hand. And. Yeah, and so

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they switched it on. And on the laptop next to me in some software, there

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was literally this graph that was demonstrating how many

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photons per second was coming off the skin of my hand.

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It was about 30 to 40 photons per second. Wow,

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it was so cool. That's so cool. We are

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so cool. Humans are so amazing. Like what?

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Well, I don't think it's just humans. I mean, mammals at Least do the same,

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I'm sure. Biology in general, living

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systems. So, so what are they

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studying in terms of biophotons and do they have any

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theories? Have they. You know, are there ranges

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where they, like, oh, you have, you have lots of biophotons

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emitting or less. Right. It's, it's. I don't think,

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you know, the various work or the

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labs around the world that are looking at this have got

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as far as that. But Michal did say that

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he's a few months away from developing a product where it

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could be in a clinical setting at least, used to measure

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biophotons. And because there's a correlation between the

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amount of photons being released and

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oxidative stress that it could be,

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at least it would be one way of gathering data

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to then see. Can measuring your biophotons

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tell you anything about the level of oxidative stress

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in the subject by way of explanation?

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It's generally thought that the more photon emissions

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that are cap. More photons you're emitting, the higher the

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oxidative stress at that point in time,

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at least. Because, of course, oxidative stress is present all the time and

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it goes up and down. So potentially, and

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I'm working with a longevity clinic here in Prague that,

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so we'll be talking about this soon, is, you know, how could

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this possibly be used as another advanced,

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another advanced way of, you know, potentially

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measuring via the chronic or the

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oxidative stress in someone their biological

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age as well? Because there are lots of different ohmics

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and telomeres and that sort of thing. Perhaps measuring

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your biophotonic emissions would have something would be

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able to tell us something about that. So, you know, maybe Michael would

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be something we could have on your, on your, on your podcast, actually. Yeah, no,

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I'd love to. I was going to say, I got his contact info. Yeah.

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Because. Yeah, the way I've heard it described is that as we

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age, our cells leak light at a

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higher rate and when we're young and healthy, we keep

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it more, keep it inside of us and it's a little

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tighter. Is that related? That's a very useful

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shortcut for people who don't know about

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what's going on at this level. Because I would say from

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what I know, that is essentially true, but we're going back to the

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mitochondria. That's why we start to get fat and irritable, sorry,

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having cognitive decline and autoimmune and

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cosmetic skin rashes and this sort of thing as we get older, because

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more and more of the mitochondria in our cells are starting to

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function less efficiently. And when they start to function as efficiently because they're

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somehow damaged or the electron transport plane is blocked, then you get all

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these electrons spinning, falling off and

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reacting. Because oxygen is highly reactive. You know, if you've set fire to something with,

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with a match, you know, oxygen is reactive, that is starting

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to react with the molecules and proteins

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and things that are around in the cell and in the mitochondria itself. So

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there's. And this of course, damages the mitochondria and the cell and all the other

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organelles and things inside the cell, which creates a chain reaction of more

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and more of this happening, like fireworks. You can imagine it. So the more of

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these start to do this, then you can reach a

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threshold within the cell where the cell will actually then collapse. The

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cell membrane will collapse and it'll spill out and start it all over again somewhere

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else. And therefore it's like an avalanche of this oxidative

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stress, as it's called. This. This.

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Yeah, the oxidize oxidation of molecules in the cell.

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And at some point, of course, cells make up tissues,

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tissues make up organs, so it'll start affecting

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the organs in which this is going on. So whether it could be a pancreas,

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be it could a kidney, a brain, heart, et cetera.

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So yes, so as we age, this happens naturally at a certain

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speed. But as we've discussed, the

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modern lifestyle actually has so many insults to our cellular

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biology that actually we are. Now we talk about the

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pandemic of obesity, of heart disease, etc. It's a pandemic of

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accelerated aging simply. And it's, you know, you can see

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this now that people are being diagnosed with cancers, unfortunately, at a younger

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age, with all sorts of these chronic diseases

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of lifestyle at younger and

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ages, simply the way the rate that humans are

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aging is accelerating. So instead of getting it at 60 or 70,

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you're getting at 40 or 50, et cetera, or even younger.

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And as this cellular, basically

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fireworks build up inside you. One of

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the ways we make this light is

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when this oxidation process happens, you excite the electron into

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a higher energy state and when it comes back to the lower energy

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state, it releases a photon. So that's how they're made.

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Most of them are absorbed within the body. But of course, if you're measuring the

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skin, then you've got a chance of actually picking them up on a

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specific special

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thing, measuring device. But I don't know anything about the

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engineering behind this, but which is What I did.

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So that was a long answer. But yes, as we age, our

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cells start to get less functional as well,

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producing more, more light.

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Incredible. Yeah, it's going to be, I think, very

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interesting as our capacity to measure that

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increases and understand the links between,

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between all of this. That's, that's a practical,

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real world use. But whatever, you know, for me the intellectual

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challenge is not for me but for others to do. But I want to

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understand it, thanks to their work, is what

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is going on? Why are we producing this light? You know, what is it doing?

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And you can hypothesize that because

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we know that there are very many

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molecules in our body that react to different spectra of light.

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Then is this light

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signaling to these other molecules in the near vicinity

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at certain frequencies of light to do things? Is this

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actually. The micro tubules actually

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can channel the light so from one part of the cell to the other, from

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one part of the cell to the other to the next cell through the body.

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So it's doing something. It's not just there by accident.

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So that's what I would really like to know, but hopefully I'll live

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for this science to have been,

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what's the word? Diligently and rigorously studied, maybe.

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Yes, well, I think it's happening. I mean, I'm

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been getting emails and finding new quantum biology

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labs popping up all over the place. And this

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lab, it probably doesn't use the term quantum biology, but that is what

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they're doing. And I think that

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investors are starting to see the potential in it

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for technological innovations and

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healing devices and so forth. So I have, I feel pretty

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good, we're going to learn some really cool stuff in the next decade.

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Yeah, yeah. And just by meeting

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Michal, apart from measuring my photons, you know, he's just based on

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a post I was doing about this experience, he sent me about eight or nine

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really interesting papers to read about it. So, you know, and

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then, you know, his lab runs monthly, I think,

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lecture with other researchers in different parts of the world. So I've just, I'm

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halfway through this amazing lecture by this, I can't remember his name.

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I'm very sorry, sorry, sorry, sir, from Canada,

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who's now research, you know, the first 20 minutes is all about,

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you know, the quantum supposed and

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already elicited discovered

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quantum effects, you know, in biological systems. So you know, this

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quantum effect of how, you know, elect light tunnels

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within the, the, the, I can't

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really call it now, but anyway, the leaf of a plant before it finds, you

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know, that the to then attach to a

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chloroplast. I don't know much about plants, but

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anyway, so that. That seems to be. To demonstrate quantum

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effects in that. It's just. It's

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wonderful. Beautiful. That's amazing. Yeah, I'd love.

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We'll track down that. We'll track down that video and put it in the

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show notes because that sounds really cool.

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Yeah, it is. We've reached a point, it

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feels like, where we have just started to develop the

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technology to measure these things. So it could have been

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said theoretically, of course, there are quantum effects

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running living organisms, running living systems. But

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now we can actually. I mean, to my. What. From

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what I understand, we can actually see it. It's been imaged

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and it's. There is imaging of quantum tunneling that I

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think was around 2019 or something. I don't know

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if it was in a leaf, but the actual act of it. Okay,

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I don't know about that. I thought the problem with quantum

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effects is that the. The observer is part of the

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quantum universe. So the observer impacts and

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influences the thing that he's trying or she's trying to measure. So that's

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a slight problem. Yeah, I don't really know how

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we get around that, because the quantum universe seems to know. Even if

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it's just a machine and there is no consciousness around, it still

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knows it's getting measured, doesn't it?

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Yeah, exactly. That's part of the problem. But. Yeah, well, Michal

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himself, you know, the thing I used was quite an expensive bit

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of kit, but he said there's another piece of

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technology that they use for. To measure actually the

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whole body. You have to sit there for five hours. But I've seen

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images of it, and this is

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even more expensive and complicated technology, but it exists.

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If you need someone to sit there for five hours and measure photons,

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I will do it. I'll be your guinea pig. You know, happy to. So.

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Oh, that'd be great. Oh, I'm very excited to

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know that we've got technology where we can start

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gathering a lot of biophoton emission data.

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So fun. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I should. I'll definitely

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tell him, you know, about today's podcast and I'll

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ask him if I can pass on his contact to you because he's. He would

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be an interesting person to talk. Yeah, I'd

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love to talk about him. What. Where the technology and

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level of understanding is today. Yes.

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Yeah. No, this has been so super fun. Is there anything you'd like to

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add, Roderick, or any. Any last thoughts? We've

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covered a lot of ground today. I feel like.

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Well, what would I add? I mean, to the.

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The male partners of your female audience, but also to the ladies who

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are watching and to the gentlemen who are watching, I would say

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that you don't have to understand all this in great detail.

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You do need to have an interest a

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little bit to a certain degree, to be open and receptive to

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the things that, you know, you hear Meredith's

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guests talking about week in, week out, because

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what we have been, and I was for almost my entire life, you

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know, trained to think that it's all about calories in, calories out,

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move more, eat less. Whether it be weight loss or health or whatever it

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might be you're striving to achieve in your health. It's not the whole

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picture, and it's only when you actually change your perspective.

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We're not steam engines. We have these trillions of

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little things in us that actually

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are far more complex and sophisticated than any kind of steam engine,

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and they require certain things. And then when you start to. But again, the things

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you do are actually quite reasonable. You know, it's getting out in the

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morning sun, it's making sure you're getting some sunlight during

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the day. It's about keeping a

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steady bedtime, a consistent bedtime.

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It's about, you know, making sure it's pitch black in your eye. They're not

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crazy, crazy things. While they may well

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be having quantum effects within you, you don't have to understand them

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and you will see the difference. And, yeah,

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so it's not too late. Never too late

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to start. I love that

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it is never too late and it makes a difference for most

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people quite quickly. So thank you so much,

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Roderick. And how can, how can people find

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you? So, yeah, I post

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pretty much daily on LinkedIn.

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I spend a lot of time preparing posts and it's. Yeah, but I just

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really enjoy it and I'm always learning new, fascinating stuff. I just feel I have

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to share. And it's difficult for my audience because it's not always about what they

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want, you know, losing fat or having more energy.

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So that's my challenge. I have a lot of

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nerds on. LinkedIn who love reading all your random stuff.

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Yeah, well. Yeah, well,

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yeah. Roderick Lambert on LinkedIn. I have a

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links page, midlifemetabolichealth.com where they have

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got a bunch of free resources you can get or sign up. There's

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even a slightly oddball health quiz you might want to

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try, see where you're at. It doesn't ask you most of the questions there.

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You won't be asked at your GP or your doctor.

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And I'm on Facebook and Instagram as well. Midlife Metabolic

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Health. Roderick Lambert as well. And otherwise, you can

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DM me through any of these platforms and I'll be very happy to have

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a chat with you about anything at all, actually.

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Fantastic. Well, thank you so much for coming on.

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I very much enjoy your posts on LinkedIn, so thank you

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for taking the time to do that and reading all this research and then

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being able to talk about it in a way that those of us

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who majored in English can understand.

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If it's any consolation, I have a bachelor's degree in

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music, so. And if I can understand it,

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then anybody else can. Right? Yes. And that's.

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And that's a great message. You know, this stuff is,

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you know, getting right down into the weeds

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can be a bit much, but there are some great takeaways that anybody can

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understand if they choose to pay a little bit of

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attention and listen to people like Roderick. All right, thank

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you so much. We'll do it again. Thank you, Meredith. Yep.

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Take care. Bye. Bye.

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