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How To Accelerate LoRaWAN - Alper Yegin
Episode 13 • 8th May 2025 • The Business of LoRaWAN • MeteoScientific
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Alper Yegin, CEO of the LoRa Alliance, joins the show to share strategic insights into the future of LoRaWAN as a utility-grade connectivity layer for IoT. With over 100 million LoRaWAN devices already deployed and 50% annual growth rates, Alper highlights how businesses can leverage certification, collaboration, and plug-and-play architecture to thrive in this evolving LPWAN landscape. This episode is essential listening for anyone building in IoT infrastructure or deploying scalable IoT monitoring solutions.

Key Points

  • Awareness and education—not competing technologies—are the biggest threats to LoRaWAN’s growth. Many failed deployments result from misunderstanding how to use the protocol properly.
  • The LoRa Alliance’s certification process has been streamlined and made more affordable, helping device makers win RFPs and expand into global markets more efficiently.
  • LoRaWAN’s roaming and integration across public, private, and satellite networks is paving the way for a globally unified, plug-and-play IoT connectivity experience.
  • Businesses deploying LoRaWAN in smart buildings benefit from long-range, battery-efficient, low-cost, and license-free radio infrastructure—making it ideal for facilities like stadiums, retail chains, and office complexes.
  • Strategic collaboration within the LoRa Alliance is accelerating product quality and ecosystem adoption, with members often working together—even as competitors—to grow the entire IoT pie.

Businesses Mentioned

  • Verizon: Deployed LoRaWAN at State Farm Arena for facility management across the entire venue.
  • AT&T: Launched a facility service called Connected Spaces, exclusively using LoRaWAN.
  • MachineQ (Comcast subsidiary): Installed LoRaWAN sensors in over 10,000 Starbucks locations for cold chain monitoring.
  • Rentokil: The world’s largest pest control firm is adopting LoRaWAN to monitor hard-to-reach building areas.
  • Shell, Total Energies, Chevron: Using LoRaWAN in oil and gas facilities for temperature, valve, and vibration sensing.
  • Veolia: Operating 5 million live LoRaWAN water meters across France.
  • Yorkshire Water: Deploying 1.3 million LoRaWAN-connected water meters in the UK.

Memorable Quotes

  • “Reality on the ground is ahead of the perception. There are a lot more deployments than meets the eye.”
  • “Plug and play is key. You should be able to buy a device, turn it on, and it just connects—anywhere in the world.”
  • “If people use LoRaWAN incorrectly and think it doesn’t work, it sets them back years. Education is critical.”


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Speaker:

Today's guest on

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MeteoScientific's

The Business of LoRaWAN is Alper Yegin,

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the newly appointed

CEO of the LoRa Alliance

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and a long time leader

in the world of wireless networking.

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Alper brings a rare combination

of technical depth and strategic clarity,

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having worked on everything from 5G

and MQM at Samsung to serving

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as CTO of activity, and now guiding

the LoRa Alliance into its second decade.

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For over 25 years, Altair has helped shape

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the protocols and standards

that underpin the Internet of Things.

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But it's his work with LoRaWAN

that's most relevant today.

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As chair of the LoRa

nce Technical Committee since:

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and now CEO, he's

been instrumental in building

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not just the technology

but the global ecosystem behind it.

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In this conversation, Alper

and I get into the real strategic levers

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for companies working with LoRaWAN

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how awareness and education are bigger

obstacles than technical limitations.

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How certification can become a competitive

advantage, and how collaboration,

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even with competitors, accelerates

the entire ecosystem.

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We also dig into the vision of LoRaWAN

as a utility, seamlessly integrating

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public, private and satellite networks

into a global fabric of coverage.

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If your business is building an IoT,

this is a playbook for where the future

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is headed. Let's dig in.

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Alper,

thanks so much for coming on the show.

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I know you're super busy.

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Thanks for making the time.

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Thank you. Nik,

it's my pleasure to be here.

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I'm excited to have you here

because you have this strategic

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view of what's happening in LoRaWAN.

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For a lot of the folks who come on here,

they're really into the technical side

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or the direct sales side,

and those are valuable pieces.

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But you've got this kind of 30,000ft view.

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Let's start off with what

the biggest threats to

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LoRa and LoRaWAN might be,

is it going to be NB IoT.

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Is it awareness?

Is it congestion? Is it a technical thing?

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Like what are the biggest threats

that you see for LoRa?

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Sure, yeah.

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So LoRa Alliance has been around

for ten years now.

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We're celebrating our first decade.

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And within this ten years,

we have created a technology

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that is leading the LPWAN space.

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So the low power wide area networking.

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There's been several other technologies

before we started,

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and and few others have joined the party

since LoRaWAN came along.

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And throughout these years,

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LoRaWAN has emerged

as the leading component technology.

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And right now, I wouldn't say

any one of the other technologies

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is a threat for LoRaWAN.

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We have a very mature technology

and our members, members of the LoRa

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Alliance and also learning ecosystem,

they have very solid, mature products.

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And we're able to say that

because right now we have more than 100

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million

LoRaWAN devices already in the field,

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and our members with the largest networks,

some of them see 50%

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that’s 5-0 CAGR a year over year

growth on their device count.

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So clearly there's a really good product

market fit right now.

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I wouldn't call it a threat or a risk,

but what really slowed us

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down is the awareness and education.

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So in this first decade,

we've been heads down focusing on

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building the technology

and building products and services

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with our members and and marketing

has not been our priority.

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Now we realize the reality on the ground

is ahead of the perception.

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So there are a whole lot more LoRaWAN

deployments and use case

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and success stories out there

than what meets the eye.

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And it is this awareness

that now we're focusing on.

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So the the perception

catches up with the reality.

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And also education.

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Getting to know how LoRaWAN works

is really key because without the proper

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education, people can get it wrong

in terms of like building their products

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or deploying low end as a service,

and then eventually

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they may end up concluding all

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or one doesn't work.

But most of the time it's

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not the technology, it's

the way they've been using.

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It has been a problem.

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And one could see this as a threat

because everyone you know has finite

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patience, finite resources, finite time.

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If they end up spending too much time

on other technologies

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and concluding IoT doesn't work,

or if they spend time on LoRaWAN

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without the proper background and cannot

get it working for whatever reason,

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then it can become like, oh,

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okay, this is not working,

I'm not gonna use this and that.

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That sets them back

for like a couple of years at least, until

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they keep hearing about it

and come back to it.

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So I would say that's

that's the biggest risk or the challenge.

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Now we are we're tackling.

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Got it.

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And I guess the obvious follow on question

is how are you guys tackling that piece.

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What are the plans that you have?

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What are the things you're

executing on against

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making sure that folks are more aware

of how to use it and using it correctly?

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Yeah.

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For awareness

actually we're taking several measures.

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So one of which is turning

our organization from

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I wouldn't say introvert,

but like becoming more extrovert now,

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like the event strategy, we have widened

and deepened our event strategy.

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We used to have our own member events

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in a hotel in some city and some place.

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Now instead of that,

now we are moving towards embedding

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our LoRa Alliance event inside

bigger trade shows.

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For example, the first one is in two weeks

in Barcelona, the IoT World Congress.

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We know this event is already attracting

people who are interested in IoT,

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and we're going to have our own pavilion

there.

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19 of our members will be exhibiting

numerous demos and their products.

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And then we also have a one full day

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conference track

embedded inside that larger IoT event.

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And that's just one of the events.

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And we are planning to do 2 or 3 of those

spanning all three regions.

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The next one we have

will be at the CES in:

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which will be catering to North America

and beyond, given the weight of CES.

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So all the traffic will be attracting,

we're going to get our own

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share of traffic towards our event,

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and in between

we are going to other events like LoRa

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Alliance has been to utilize a week

in India.

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We will be attending an event in Shanghai

in June and Shenzhen in August.

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So a whole lot more events will be going

to as LoRa Alliance and members.

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And we're also supporting our member

events through promotion

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and also encouraging our members

to be presenting and to be present there.

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And I myself am traveling almost once

a month to every corner of the world,

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attending events

and evangelizing this technology.

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So that's the event front.

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And then we are also increasing

our engagement with other organizations,

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alliances like the LMS or IMS,

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large ecosystem, like we had our board

members present at the Niagara Forum

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a month ago that's accelerating the

adoption of LoRaWAN in the smart buildings

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and also participating at the ITU events

in panels and conferences.

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So we have numerous initiatives

on the event side and also liaisons.

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We are adding new liaisons

and revitalizing the old ones,

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the past ones, to increase our engagement

with the other IoT ecosystems,

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to integrate LoRaWAN into the existing

ecosystems, to to bootstrap them.

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Right.

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And that integration piece is something

I may ask you about in a in a second.

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Let's see.

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So for LoRa Lyons, folks join that.

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They become a member.

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How would they use that certification

to gain some kind of advantage.

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Right. It can't be something

they just pay for and then forget about.

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How do they pay for the thing

and then leverage.

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Leverage the heck out of it

to grow their business here?

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Yeah.

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I mean, we have we have several benefits,

one of which is certification.

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We provide a certification service

for our alliance members for the devices

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they build.

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They can up on joining LoRa Alliance.

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They can get it certified by LoRa

Alliance, which provides validation

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for their devices, compliance and quality

with respect to the low end specification

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in several parts of the world,

that is a mandate.

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RFP is going out.

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Nowadays.

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They are including LoRa

Alliance certification,

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and what we have been doing on

that front is to make it easier

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for the audience members

to get their devices

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certified on one front,

we have revised our pricing structure

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for getting a device certified first time.

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There's there's a fee.

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And then if the member is certifying

similar device,

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we have a certification

by similarity program,

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which has much less overhead and also

certifying a device for multiple regions.

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It doesn't come at the multiple cost, but

we have tiered pricing for that as well.

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And on top of that, we have a tool called

a LCT, a LoRaWAN certification test tool

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we provide to our members, and our members

can test their devices on their own.

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And until recently, they still have to

take their device channel to test house.

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Now we provide them another option

that they can run the tests on their own,

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and they can submit the results

to the alliance and get the certification.

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So there's a self testing option

being made available.

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So now getting a certification

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is more streamlined

and comes at a lower cost than before.

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For that I we do encourage our members

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to, get their devices certified.

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And also the device makers

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who are not part of LoRa lines to join

and get their certifications as well.

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Got it.

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So the certification gives you the ability

to compete in a couple markets

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because it's just it's the bar.

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You have to have

a certification to come in

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and then you've made the certification

easier.

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Okay, I think I can understand that.

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Let's see.

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You've talked about a future

where LoRaWAN behaves

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like a utility, where it's everywhere,

it's ubiquitous, it's seamless.

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It kind of works for businesses

building today in this IoT world

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and in this LPN world,

and choosing LoRaWAN, what are the steps

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they can take to prepare for that time

when it is ubiquitous,

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when it's everywhere

or accelerate that future?

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Right.

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So the the utility angle is the following.

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So, you know, LoRaWAN with the long range

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nature of it and also being low cost

and using our license,

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that is naturally great.

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Can the technology

to become ubiquitously available?

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We already have several countries with

nationwide networks provided by operators,

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and they're already coming to networks

spanning

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practically almost any country

with significant coverage.

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And we also have

the satellite based networks.

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We have three of them already,

like Lacuna and Planets and Closer

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Mobile providing significant coverage

from space as well.

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Now. So that's that's one side of the.

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So the other side is how these networks

are collaborating with each other.

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So and that's where there's

a major distinction

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between the Wi-Fi story

and the LoRaWAN story.

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Wi-Fi has been around.

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And even today where I'm standing,

I bet there are like at this ten

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if not 20 Wi-Fi networks

that I can get signals from.

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But I can only use one,

and it is the one that I own.

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Right? So,

you know, physically they're here.

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Logically they don't exist

as far as I'm concerned.

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Now we're changing that.

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So obviously with the coverage wise,

LoRaWAN has superiority to Wi-Fi.

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But in terms of like making the

the networks integrate

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LoRaWAN both technology wise

and also the LoRa when ecosystem wise

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is a whole lot more collaborative

today, again,

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thanks to the low cost nature

of this technology, we see public,

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private and committed networks

being deployed all around the world.

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And LoRaWAN is the only wireless data

communication

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technology

that can have this much variety at scale.

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None of this cellular network types

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not the Zigbee, Z-Wave,

Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc.

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have this type of variety type of networks

being deployed at scale.

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LoRaWAN has that.

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On top of that, we have a very easy way

to integrate these networks through what

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we call roaming a traditional name, but

it's more like a network collaboration.

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Today,

we're able to integrate public, private

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and come into networks

both on the ground and also in space.

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In all random combinations.

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There are public networks

roaming with public networks,

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private ones roaming with community,

community roaming with public

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and then and even nationwide networks

on the ground,

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roaming with satellite networks.

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So this is how we are on our way

to build a ubiquitous network,

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which will be available around the world.

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Multiple layers of the network

will be available,

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provided by hundreds of providers

behind them, including,

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say you as a resident of your house

and then your neighbors,

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and then the mini and the city nationwide

network, maybe multiple of them.

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There's going to be a users network,

so on, so forth.

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They will all coexist physically,

but the way we are integrating them,

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they will all act as one such

that you'll be able to go

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and buy an end device and then bring it

wherever you want to operate it

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home or business or in the field,

and then turn it on.

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It'll connect.

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It'll all connect to the network,

which is provided by multiple providers

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behind the scene.

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But they'll all be integrated in a way

that you'll end up paying one bill.

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And maybe it's a bill

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that you have paid upfront

when you bought the device for the first,

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you know, ten years, right? Sure.

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So that's the vision

we have. And it's going to be utility.

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Like, you know, just like wherever you go

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and you plug in your electrical equipment,

it just works, right.

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You just turn on the device.

It'll just connect.

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Connect to the IoT Internet of Things

right to the internet.

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Now come back to your questions

or for longer answer

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just to provide the background.

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What should the like, the device makers

or solution makers or operators do?

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Well, the plug and play

is a very important feature,

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and we have several standard pieces

for that.

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And we're constantly adding more,

having a plug and play

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device and solution and a network

that supports plug and play is key.

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And secondly,

collaborating with other networks,

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integrating your network,

whether it's your home network,

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business network or a public network,

integrating with other networks

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directly or indirectly through roaming

hubs, that's only happening.

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And, you know, that's what

I would recommend anyone to join

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the LoRa ecosystem to be open to do that

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and be part of this grand vision

we have for the future.

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Got it.

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So really thinking on the hardware side in

and I guess firmware software is

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this thing will be part

of an integrated global net at some point.

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Let's make sure we prepare for that,

to make that as easy as possible,

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because it's fairly obvious that

this kind of network effects will happen.

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Is that the first folks that make

that really easy will benefit the most

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from that? Okay, cool.

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That makes a ton of sense, Nick there.

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Like, you know, even though

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I talked about like one network,

this is not the only mode of operation.

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While there would be one network

that in device can join,

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there would still be numerous

private networks operated virtually

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in the same space. Right.

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You could,

you know, have a slice of your network

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that's only serving your devices

where you can't share

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some part of that with that one

network, vision.

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So we'll still have like, public

private networks and then have this one

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unified you with this network

operating as a, as an overlay as well.

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Yeah, it's a super cool idea.

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I like the this make no small plans.

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This is a this is a big plan

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I like let's

see you see a ton of different businesses.

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Where do you currently see the most

commercial traction for LoRaWAN globally.

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And why do you think that is. Yeah.

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So among the verticals

we have the most momentum I would say

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metering, especially water

metering and guest metering

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and then smart buildings

and smart industry.

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The automation in factories

and smart construction

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and also smart mining

and also campus wide tracking.

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So these are the ones leading the pack

and among them,

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the one that has the highest momentum

right now is smart buildings.

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Majority of the smart buildings

today are using wired

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communication technologies,

and wireless is is a small part of that.

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But within that small but growing segment,

LoRaWAN has already emerged

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as the leading wireless

communication technology.

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And the reason behind that is inside

a building or inside a facility.

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What do you need?

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You need communication technology

that can pierce through the walls right?

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That's a check for LoRaWAN.

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You want to put sensors that can operate

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using batteries for a long time,

that you wouldn't have to recharge them.

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It's a check for LoRaWAN.

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You want something

that doesn't require you to own

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one of the few limited licenses.

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That's a check for LoRaWAN,

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and you need something that is very low

cost for for building the radio network.

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That's a big time

check for LoRaWAN as well.

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And so leaving any other technology

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like Zigbee, Z-Wave, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi,

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cellular behind,

LoRaWAN has taken the pole position

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in that market,

and we see several solid examples of that.

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For example, one of the board members

of LoRa Alliance is Verizon Wireless.

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They have deployed facility management

in Atlanta

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at the State Farm and Bay arena.

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That's where Atlanta Hawks is playing,

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and they have covered the whole venue

using LoRaWAN for facility management.

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And they are not the only tier

one operator in us doing so.

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The other one is AT&T.

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They are connected spaces service,

which they have launched four months

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ago, is exclusively based on LoRaWAN

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and obviously,

machine Q, a subsidiary of Comcast.

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And as a board member of LoRa Alliance,

have been deploying LoRaWAN

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for the longest time.

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They have deployed LoRaWAN

in more than 10,000 Starbucks

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stores across North America for cold chain

monitoring.

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Again, it's an indoor case.

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They need a solution to work

wirelessly inside fridges, cabinets,

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behind the walls and all that.

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And LoRaWAN came to the rescue,

and they've been fully exercising that

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technology.

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And the benefits industry has been

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rapidly adopting LoRaWAN as well.

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And one one other example is world's

largest

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pest control company, Rentokil Initial.

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They are precisely 100 years

old, multi-billion dollar company.

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They wanted to connect their units,

their sensors, and they looked around

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and the kind of places

the pests love to hang around.

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It's really difficult to bring networks.

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They're only able to pull it off.

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So they have discovered

that they joined the Law Alliance,

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and now they're working on LoRaWAN

version of their products.

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So yes, in the, smart building

arena, we've got the leading position.

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but also accelerate

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the adoption of wireless

in the smart buildings industry.

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I remember talking to Manos at Terra Q

and he was saying,

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I hadn't even thought of this.

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He said, we deal with businesses

and most is focused in the Middle East

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all the time where they're expanding,

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and it makes it so easy

if you're using LoRaWAN,

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if you're expanding into the next unit,

you knock out a wall.

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You don't need to rerun new wires.

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You just add a sensor

in the in the new place.

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It was just such a cool idea because the

the range is so long, you don't need to

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to worry about running new wires

or putting in a new gateway or whatever.

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It'll it'll just cover it.

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And regarding running wires,

I'll tell you, the most expensive

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type of wires one would need is at the

the oil and gas industry.

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Why is that?

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It would stand the sheer amount

of like fight in case of any disaster.

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That's where LoRaWAN is also proving

to be a game changer today.

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Companies

like Total Energy's Shell and Chevron,

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they have been deploying LoRaWAN, Europe's

largest oil refinery,

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the one in Rotterdam, operated by shell,

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has been deploying LoRaWAN solutions

provided by our member league

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involving like temperature sensors,

valves, sensors and vibration sensors.

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So yeah, I mean, cutting the cord

and especially the expensive ones

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were really good at that.

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Yeah, I was just reading about the thing

that sounds super cool.

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I'd love to get those guys on. Let's see.

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You guys are under under your leadership.

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It seems that you're really focusing

on expanding

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liaison integrations, making sure

there's much more collaboration.

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How can individual businesses

so whether it's, you know, Scott

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Andrews's sensibility or its manager

at sponsor, it's Miroslav, at Helios.

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Any of the folks that have been on here,

how can they think strategically

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about this collaboration,

even me, with competitors

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to accelerate the whole ecosystem

and their growth?

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What are what are ways

you recommend to do that?

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Yeah.

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So as what alliance?

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Actually, we are making a great case of

how collaboration can help the industry.

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So large problems.

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I mean, IoT is a difficult problem.

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A lot of things have to come together

and work end to end seamlessly.

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If any one of these chains is broken,

the whole system just fails, right? Yep.

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This is a very well understood by the IoT

ecosystem and more so by the LoRa

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Alliance members

and the law and ecosystem members.

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And that's why when someone joins

LoRa Alliance,

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one of the things they notice is

how collaborative we are.

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It's like one company

with the power of 350 plus companies,

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all that are in the coming together,

working on the same problem together.

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And I've not been involved

in the Incentivization

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for over a quarter century.

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I worked in Internet

Engine, Task Force two, GP2,

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WiMAX forum, Etsy, etc.

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and I can easily say that

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none of them

had the amount of collaborative spirit

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we have here, because at the end

is all about making the pie bigger.

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Yeah, now

any effort that goes into collaboration

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would have an amplified return

on the investment,

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and this is definitely not the time

for these companies

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to put energy into competing.

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It is to be put into cooperation.

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And like nearly 100% of the

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their energy within the alliance

are going into this collaboration.

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And it has been paying off

for every one of them.

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That's why they stay in the alliance.

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They keep putting effort into it.

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Sure, they've been seeing

the return on investment.

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And can you give me an example of that?

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Were two of the members

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who might otherwise have been thought

of as competitors decided to collaborate,

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and they got something

really good out of that, honestly.

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Like, you know, just

just pick any member of the lower alliance

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and then I can name

like 10 to 15 of their competitors

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sitting like in the same meeting room

on the same zoom

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call at the board level,

anything and everything.

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But honestly, you know,

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none of them, when they see each other,

none of them think in those terms, okay?

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They all look at,

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you know, this is what we need to do

at the board level, at the technical

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committee, at the certification

committee, at the marketing committee.

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So they don't see each other as like,

oh, this is my competitor.

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They see like, okay,

this is what we need to crack.

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And here we are.

We're a team. And let's go after that.

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And yeah, yeah, we were full of the tribe.

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I mean, really, there's no single company

that doesn't have a competitor

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in the Alliance.

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Yeah, that's super cool.

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Well, let's finish up with with this one

is that you've tackled

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a bunch of misconceptions about security.

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I know I've seen some talk about it.

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What can companies do tactically

to build trust in their solutions

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for their customers who concerned

about reliability, security, longevity.

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You know, customer comes to

and says like, hey,

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does this low end thing

like really work as a secure

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what are the things that companies can do

to to address that?

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Yeah, usually the lack of trust in low

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end security

is stemming from lack of knowledge.

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So I mean, we do hear things like,

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LoRaWAN is using an unlicensed band,

so it cannot be secure.

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Well, we're using a wireless communication

technology here.

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Whether you're using a licensed vendor,

unlicensed band has zero relevance, right?

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The advert is not going to say,

oh, these guys are using a license,

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but so I cannot touch it. There's

nothing like that.

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Yeah, that is in the air. Right.

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And I can grab it. Anyone can.

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You know, play with it. Yep.

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Now what we do,

just like any other modern day wireless

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communication technologies,

we use cryptography, right?

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You know, if you were to go back, say,

20 years ago, it wasn't well understood.

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That's why, for example, Wi-Fi

had glitches like WFP had some glitches.

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But in the past, I would say at least ten,

if not 15 years,

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the industry has already understood

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what kind of bells and whistles in

a wireless data communication technology

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needs to have a proper level of security,

like end point authentication,

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data, original authentication, integrity

protection, replay protection, encryption

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using strong and well established crypto.

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So it like S 128 right.

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This is the state of art.

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So whether you're using, say,

5G, 4G or Wi-Fi or LoRaWAN

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to have a proper level of security,

and then the other thing to get,

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oh, you don't have a SIM card,

how can that be secure?

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Right.

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Well, SIM card is a piece of hardware

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that secures the cryptographic keys

and the cryptographic procedures.

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Well, we have the second of that

which is called a secure element.

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So any and device that requires

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a high end security,

we tell them use a secure element.

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It's not called SIM card

which is this specific GPU.

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But what's under the hood of a

SIM card is a secure element.

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So the same is available

to LoRaWAN deployments.

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But we do not force every one of these

deployments to use a secure element.

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For example,

if you are deploying a temperature sensor,

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you don't need to have a secure

because you know what you're

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the data you're collecting

is not really as valuable

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and is not subject

to the same kind of threats.

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Again, I'm assuming you're not sensing

the temperature of a nuclear plant.

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Okay.

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Let's you know, I'm

talking about an office building.

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So as such, we give the option to the

device makers not to use secure elements.

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And then, you know, that's that's

their choice and their customers choice.

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But for those who need the high

end security, yes,

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they can have the equivalent of a SIM

card, which is a using a secure element.

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So yeah, I mean, anyone who understands

security

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can easily look at our standards

and then understand that we have

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all the right bells and whistles with the

right amount of strength and security.

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And the proof,

the proof is the deployments.

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I mean, I'll give you examples

like metering industry for metering

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industry, the meters are really the cash

registers, okay.

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If they get a temper

they cannot make money.

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So for that

they have every reason to make sure

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the technology are using provide

secure communication.

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And that's what LoRaWAN does.

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That's

why for example our member like Veolia,

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they have deployed 5 million

LoRaWAN water meters in France,

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all connected

live streaming water and data right now.

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And I mean, they're constantly

relying on LoRaWAN and they're not alone.

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I mean, another water

metering win is by net more in UK

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Yorkshire Water 1.3 million project

which is starting again.

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You know the utilities

when they make such investments

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they go through a huge due diligence.

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I mean if the

if what this technology wants and say

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won't have the right capacity,

won't have the reliability or have

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would have any secret issues,

they wouldn't be making this investment.

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There's the investments

for like millions of meters.

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And when they are deployed they

to:

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It says super long term investment.

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And yeah, these are all,

you know, verified and confirmed.

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Hence people can confidently use LoRaWAN

in their most demanding locations

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for its reliability, security and

and scalability.

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Ripping right on out there.

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Thanks so much for making the time.

I know you're super busy.

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Really appreciate you coming by

and talking to us

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about the state of LoRaWAN

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and some of the big kind of strategic

thinking that's going on.

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Thank you man.

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Thank you Eric, very nice to meet you.

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And thank you

for giving me this opportunity.

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That's it for

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this episode of The Business of LoRaWAN.

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I built this for you,

the one person in about 100,000

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who actually has an interest in how

this tiny little slice of the world works.

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Of course, this isn't just about you

and me, it's about everyone in LoRaWAN

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and how we can work together

to make an exceptional thing.

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LoRaWAN is a dispersed community

with little pockets of knowledge,

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all around the world,

and most of them don't

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talk to each other as much as I'd like.

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So the first and best thing

we can do to make this show better

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is to get more guests

on who I don't even know exist.

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I want to talk to strangers. Strangers?

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Who are your friends.

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Please

introduce me to the most rad LoRaWAN

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you know or point to my way, or help

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reach out and give me a name.

When it comes to running down

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LoRaWAN guests,

I can track a falcon on a cloudy day.

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If you can remember Met Sideshow,

you can find me.

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That's my Etsy.

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I dot show that sideshow.

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Okay, so sharing knowledge

by getting great guests on is the first,

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and by far the most important thing

we can do to make this better.

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