The NJ Podcast: Conversation with Bishop Honest Ncube – Journey of a Thousand Miles: Battle for Your Soul

In this powerful episode of The NJ Podcast, we sit down with Bishop Honest Ncube, the author of Journey of a Thousand Miles: Battle for Your Soul, a spiritually provocative and intellectually stimulating book that explores the Christian’s journey of faith. Bishop Ncube unpacks key revelations from his book, emphasizing that life is a journey of faith that may be rough and uncertain, yet leads to a blissful destination. He warns of the real enemy working to undermine our salvation and offers practical strategies for overcoming obstacles along the way.

Through thought-provoking insights and personal stories, Bishop Ncube shares the importance of purity, truth, and actively renouncing deceit. His leadership and storytelling offer a fresh understanding of spiritual warfare, calling all Christians to rise above complacency and embrace the fullness of God's purpose.

As a prolific author, mentor, and speaker, Bishop Ncube’s mission is to transform lives and inspire faith globally. This episode is packed with revelations that will inspire you to take your next step on the journey of faith.

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Takeaways:

• Bishop Honest Ncube emphasizes that life is a journey filled with faith challenges.
• Understanding your identity is crucial for overcoming obstacles in your spiritual journey.
• The importance of loving others and living selflessly to inspire positive change.
• Bishop Ncube shares practical strategies for Christians to combat deceit and distractions.
• He emphasizes that success comes from achieving one's purpose in alignment with God's will.
• The podcast encourages listeners to take personal accountability for their actions and decisions.

Links referenced in this episode:

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the podcast where we talk about success.

And remember that the theme of the show is that success is the progressive realization of a worthy ideal.

That means you're going after what you've always wanted to go after because it's aligned with your highest values.

And that is the only way for you to live a truly fulfilled, inspired and successful life.

On the show we talk with people from all walks of life, from business, entertainment, religious proclivities, and on the show today we've got a good friend of mine.

We haven't seen each other in a while, but he's still a good friend of mine.

We met each other through the greatest communication leadership organization, world Toastmasters International, and we were in the same club together, I believe.

Yeah, we were in the same club together.

He's a dynamic speaker, this guy.

Don't talk to him nicely, talk to him nicely.

And he is a proud author.

And out of respect I am going to refer to him as the bishop.

You know, out of respect, I don't want to bring spiritual protocol.

He is the bishop and he's the author of a Journey of a Thousand Miles, battle for your soul.

And so I wonder.

I'll read the back of the book.

And so this spiritually provocative and yet intellectually stimulating book titled the Journey of a Thousand Miles, unpacks the revelation that life is a journey whose destiny most people are uncertain of.

Every Christian is on a journey of faith, and just like any other journey, it may be rough and despairing, yet its destination is blissful.

The journey starts with a single step and branches out into tiny journeys which eventually join up to give meaning to the overall picture.

This book is written to warn the Christian who wants to walk in greater purity.

It brims with provocative insights that there is a real enemy out there who wants to stop you from becoming an effective Christian, thereby undermining the work and purpose of your salvation.

It gives us a fresh breath of understanding that the Christian must arise and be an active participant against deceit by projecting the truth and renouncing the lie.

As a prolific author and an impeccable teacher of God's word, Bishop honest nube presents practical and effective strategies on how christians can overcome obstacles in their journey of faith.

The book is jam packed with thought provoking revelations and superbly articulated narratives about the journey of christian faith.

The author demonstrates incredible storytelling abilities in which he uses practical examples of real life experiences he has gone through in order to solidify your understanding of spiritual realities.

It's not a game, people.

It's not a game out there.

It's not a game.

Therefore, this book is a clarion call for every Christian in journey of faith to step out of the convictions of ordinary life of complacency, go beyond the elementary truths of the gospel, and move on to the fullness of God.

The incredible, inspiring, hard to get revelations encapsulated in this book are set to revolutionize your life forever.

So, Bishop honest Nube is an apostle of God who is the presiding bishop of Victory Redeemed church.

He is husband to Chanel Hotazo Ngube and has been blessed with two beautiful girls, Kayla and Amelia.

Bishop H.

Is, as he is commonly known.

Bishop H.

I'm calling you Bishop H.

From now on, is a public speaker, facilitator, life coach and mentor.

He has taken leadership roles in various organizations such as toastmasters, BGYA, Thorntree, Humble Harry's Afrimat College, Cosmo City, church, Forum, police, DIA, Cosmo City, and has been on SABC as a motivational speaker on various radio stations.

He is also the creator and founder of the program called shape your youth destiny that has seen dozens of youth being transformed in the area of identity and entrepreneurship.

Bishop H.

Is a visionary who is relentless to transform Africa and the world, to embrace Christ and his kingdom, and to help people to become active participants in global transformation.

All right, thank you very much for being on the show.

Bishop H.

Pleasure to have a mouthful.

It's a mouthful, but I can guarantee you that everything that we just read is 100% correct.

Yes, yes, yes.

So thank you very much for making the time.

We haven't seen each other in a while, but I thought.

But I still have been following you and your stories and the way what you've been doing within you, within the faith and the church, and it's very inspiring.

So God bless you and keep strengthening you in the walk.

So if you can just give us a outside of the plural authority of information that you've gone from the book, just give us your take on who is Bishop H.

And what is his definition of what makes a person successful?

Okay, so thank you.

Thank you for having me.

Like you said, it's been a minute.

Yeah, I was slightly slim at the last.

Work in progress.

Work in progress.

Don't worry, we accept everybody here.

Look at that.

My insecurities being the first things to come out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah.

So who is Bishop edge and my definition of success?

And let me just start off with my definition of success for me, being a thinker, and I think a lot of people in our generations can classify themselves as think.

I would really think stuff.

Yeah.

And what I can hone it down to is maybe success is achieving purpose.

Yeah.

And.

And that's a big word or.

Yeah, I think it's a massive word.

It's opening a whole can of.

Of worms.

Yeah.

But I think success for me, it's achieving that purpose.

If I look at my life and.

And I consider myself successful in so many areas.

Yeah.

And.

And one of those is being able to love my wife.

Yes.

You know, and.

And for me, yes.

That's a big thing.

My wife, I love my kids and I love the people around me.

And for me, that's success, to be able to live a life like that.

Obviously, the other things that are things, they kind of help me to achieve that success when I'm able to take care of my kids and all that.

So the reason I started off with that is because I believe that best defines who I am.

I believe I'm a.

I'm a guy from the hood.

From the hood, yeah.

From the hood.

Which hood you from?

Which hood you from?

So, yeah, basically there's a place called Scott polar.

Yeah.

And it's gone now.

It was a squatter camp.

And that's where basically I kind of started my.

My life as I could start to understand what life is all about.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But just to cut a long story short.

Yeah.

For me, I think I'm a guy who's here to help others find their light.

Yeah.

And that's my life purpose and mission.

I think a lot of wonderful people out there have deemed their lives for whatever reason, and the world is not as bright because I think we can all agree that the world is not really a very bright place.

No, not particularly.

Yeah.

So.

And the reason for that, I think, is because a lot of us are not allowing our light to shine.

And when our light shines, I think the world is going to become a better place.

No, 100%.

So what do you think?

People are afraid to let their light shine.

What is the biggest reason that people are saying, you know what, my light is not going to shine.

I'm going to dim it.

Yeah.

I think it's a lot of factors, the main ones really bordering on the lines of identity.

Identity.

Okay.

Of knowing who you really are.

And obviously we're living in an intellectual community.

Yeah.

And we all have ideas out there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We've all put our ideas out there.

And I often joke about this.

I say, you've got to have an idea that can compete well in the marketplace of ideas, 100%.

And that's not necessarily a bad thing that we've got so many ideas.

I'm not an advocate to say, oh, let's shut down all these ideas.

Sure, sure.

I think they need to have fair competition so that we can see maybe which one is dominant and maybe which one is more real and which one is not so real.

Yeah.

So for me it's an issue of identity.

And that identity is informed obviously by the world and the culture around us.

Yeah.

Sadly enough, in as much as the current era that we are in, supports such freedom of everything and so many things.

Which is a good thing.

Which is a good thing.

But the downside of it is the fact that it wants to tell you who you should be.

And sometimes it even advocates to say you can decide who you want to be.

Yeah, and that's a big word and that's a big statement that you can decide because it kind of cancels out that maybe you are created for a purpose.

Yes.

Maybe you've got a path and a part to play.

It's like getting into a soccer field.

You like football?

Yeah.

Getting into football field and you say, hey, you can play whatever number and position that you want.

That's not very bad idea.

That's a very bad idea.

Very bad idea.

And the weird part is that you can, you can and you have the ability.

But should I.

Is it for the greater good?

Yeah.

Is it for the greater good for me to actually go there and say, I'm gonna play whatever number that makes me happy, so.

Oh, I can learn to be happy with the number that's going to give the greatest benefit not only to me.

Yeah.

But to the rest of society 100%.

So I think it really goes on the, on the, on identity.

And maybe that's, that's the reason I've, reason I've written that book there.

Yeah, yeah.

A thousand miles.

And, and I come from a.

And religion is a big thing, you know.

Yeah, religion is a big thing.

Still, one of the biggest maybe ideologies that is, obviously it's competes with things like capitalism.

Yeah.

Communism and all those ideas that are out there.

Yeah.

However, it still has a footprint.

And I've come from kind of different religions.

Oh, wow, that's interesting.

Tell us, tell us.

There's some weird things out there.

So I don't even know if it's safe for people to hear things like that.

Is it true that there's a church of the flying spaghetti monster?

The church of Shrek and his beloved.

Wow.

So that's the beauty of our day and age, really.

Yeah.

But I can share a little bit.

Just a little bit.

What, you're putting any names?

Whatever you're comfortable with, bishop.

Yeah.

So my journey of faith started off.

I remember when I was quite young, and it started off with.

I remember my granny, and my granny is a staunch, dedicated Lutheran.

Lutheran.

Okay.

So that's where I used to go.

And I was very young, so I don't really remember much.

I remember that the singing was amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

And then at one point, my parents, I think they.

They went to some form of church.

Some form of church.

Okay.

And it's quite common in most, I think, southern african countries.

Yeah, yeah.

And the church kind of wears these blue or red or whatever kind of garments on.

Yeah, yeah.

And they play drums.

Okay.

Yeah.

And they carry sticks.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I'm not mentioning any names.

No.

Want to do that?

Cancel him.

I don't want to do that.

Yeah.

I still value my life.

Sure.

Yeah.

So, yeah, we went there, and they're quite popular, so they do kind of exorcisms of things.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So they'll tell you there's something in your homestead, it looks like.

Sounds like a prophetic church.

Yeah, it is prophetic.

Okay.

Gain, depending on your definition of prophetic.

So.

And, yeah.

So I went to that church, and.

Lovely, this young person, you know, you love the music.

Yeah.

You don't really see the problems around anything.

You just go there now.

There's this great music, and so I'm enjoying it.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

So, yeah, time goes.

And my parents really moved around, and my mom was a teacher.

At one point, she felt really sick.

Okay.

Very sick.

Okay.

And she consulted a prophet again.

Yeah, yeah.

And this guy came with this short, you know, knob, Kerry kind of thingy.

Oh, wow.

And he did the most weird thing and goes to my mom and sticks that thing on her tummy and starts pulling out.

And my mother's, like, groaning and she's crying, and I'm there, and I'm petrified.

I'm still young there.

Yeah.

And pulls out these Mopani worms, really directly from the surface of the stomach.

This sounds unbelievable.

I promise.

This sounds unbelievable.

I'm telling you, MJ.

I'm telling you.

Yeah.

Weirdest experience ever.

And I don't know if it was magic or whatever was going on there, but surprisingly, my mother recovers.

Oh, wow.

Okay.

From, like, this.

And it turns out that the guy says, no, there's a fellow teacher who gave you Mopani worms.

Which, yes, he had Mapani worms from a fellow teacher.

And that's the person who was bewitching you.

Aha.

Okay.

Standard procedure.

Yeah.

Standard procedure.

Yeah.

So the thing.

I can't remember the rest of the details.

As young as I was, the only petrifying thing was that that's what I kind of locked into my memory.

So, yeah, so this is the things I'm being exposed to when I'm growing up.

And.

And at one point, then I didn't stop going to church altogether.

Yeah.

Then my father got sick.

Okay.

And my dad got sick, and.

And his guy's not okay.

And then I remember one day he sits down with the whole family and says, guys, I want us to make a big decision as a family.

Okay.

Okay.

Which was quite a strange, because that's deep.

Yeah, yeah.

No, he didn't consult anybody concerning staff.

You know, I think maybe him and mama.

I was expecting a follow up.

Nah, nah, not yet.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it's coming.

It's coming.

So he sits down and.

And he says, we're gonna make a big decision.

Yeah.

We need to go to church.

And.

And there's two kinds of churches.

Yeah.

And one of them, I can't say the names, but.

Don't say the names.

Yeah, there's two of them.

Yeah.

And he says, either we go this way or this way.

Yeah.

This other one who kind of wins the battle in that debacle thing that's going on because it was his friend's church.

Okay.

And we got there, and in this church, the God is literally a human being.

Really?

Yes.

Wow.

I promise you.

Why do I sound surprised?

This happens all the time.

Like, literally, any God is a human being.

Flesh, just like you and me is like a human.

So like you, there's your God.

Yes, there's your God.

And you can say, hi, God, and how are you?

Shake your hand, give you a hug and all that stuff.

Why am I laughing?

But anyway, and in that story, man, and that story, they will tell you, obviously, the history of how the guy becomes God, okay?

And this amazing light coming from somewhere and lands on him.

And he's God all of a sudden.

So you can see him, like, see him?

No, he's a human being.

He goes to the toilet like you and me.

He's like a human being.

I don't want a God that goes to the bathroom.

Exactly.

Checked back, then, separate bathroom, things going on.

That's why.

And he's God.

And surprisingly enough, he teaches good morals.

Okay.

Yeah.

Like the Ten Commandments.

Kind of thing.

Okay.

And you've got to be good.

And what.

But you.

He's got to be your God.

He's your God.

Okay.

And at that church, they used to even have this practice whereby every.

Every year.

Yeah.

Young boys, young girls, they would go and meet and they would check if you're still a virgin.

Okay, dude, your face is not really helping you, NJ.

Because I'm so confused as to.

Why is that a practice?

Why is that a practice?

Come on, catch up, man.

Catch up.

Yeah.

So we used to go there every single year in August.

And.

And it's still there.

The church is still there.

It's big.

It's massive.

Is it massive?

So it's a basic.

It's a mega church, right?

Yeah.

It's an international.

It's a massive church.

Okay, okay, okay.

So.

So we go there, and.

And.

And every year would go there, and they would give you this belt thingy to celebrate that you're still a virgin.

What happens if you're not?

Well, you're not part of the parade, so everybody kind of knows that, hey, this person was.

Yeah.

You're gonna get a bit of short lived.

I freaked out every single time because I don't know the criteria, what they're really looking at.

So you're freaking out that maybe if they get it wrong and all that, but, yeah.

Did help in the sense that we.

We could never fool around.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, that helps there.

Yeah, yeah.

Now, most of these religions have some benefit.

In fact, you can look at.

And that's why people go there.

It's not that they're stupid or anything.

They go there because there's some tangible benefit that they get from it.

Yeah.

So, yeah, so, as a result, I was a virgin for a very long time, which.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyways, after that, sadly, my father passed on, and then my mother went to an apostolic church.

In terms of traditional apostolic white garment.

What?

They find an apostolic church.

I've heard the term so many times, but I can't.

If someone was asked me, what's an apostolic church?

I can't necessarily tell them, well, just.

To keep you on the safe side, because you're my friend.

Just keep you on the safe side.

It depends on where you are.

Okay.

Generally, if you're in Africa, when we're calling.

When talking about an apostolic church, we're talking about white garments.

Go up the mountain.

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

All right.

So that's what we're talking about.

Okay.

Okay.

Use water and what.

And then when you're talking about a Zion church.

Yeah, yeah, we.

It's almost similar, just that the others don't go purely white.

Yeah.

They.

Some green.

Green.

And one star.

One star.

And they've got a papa.

Papapa.

No, no, no.

Nothing.

The zion you're thinking of.

Okay.

No, no, no.

That's.

That's.

That's another.

Another genre altogether.

Yeah.

So that's the apostolic church.

But then there's what.

The traditional apostolic church.

Okay.

And traditional apostolic churches don't have garments.

They pretty much.

They suit up.

They're.

Okay.

And I'm sorry to use the word, okay.

I'm not judging anybody here, but they.

They suit up and.

And they don't do music and.

Yeah, it's quite.

It's.

Yeah, it's got.

The vibe is quite good.

Sounds like a vibe.

Yeah.

So just that coming back to my story.

Yes, sir.

So, yeah, so we go.

And.

And.

And so my father passed.

Passes on.

Yeah.

And.

No, mom goes.

Finds work somewhere else.

I'm still young, my little sister, and I'm staying in the house.

Yeah.

Massive house that my father had built.

A.

And.

And stop going to church.

And then my mom goes to this white garment.

Churches, they give you stones and water.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

For good luck and whatever.

Okay.

And, okay, so when you go to that kind of church, you're no longer allowed back into the other church.

Okay.

Of course.

It's standard procedure.

Yeah.

You have.

You have excluded yourself.

Like, even if you're like, okay, I made a mistake.

Yeah, no, no, there's no mistakes on that one.

That is harsh.

That is harsh.

Wow.

So that's how we ended up outside of that church.

Okay.

And.

Yeah, so there was no church for a while, and.

And then my friend.

My friend took me to this church, and.

And it was also a white garment church, but quite a little bit different from the apostolic ones.

Yeah, yeah.

And I got there, and, dude, I was so mesmerized.

I go there and there's this guy, and he's just arrived.

Yeah.

And he starts to.

To prophesy to people.

Okay.

Telling them their names, their addresses and all that.

I was like, what the heck?

And for me, I wasn't really into the God thing at that moment.

Okay.

Yeah, I hear this God, and after.

All the church you've been exposed to.

No, no, it was just fun.

It was just vibes.

Vibes.

Love the music.

Love hanging out.

Yeah, yeah.

But the God thing was not really.

Was not your thing.

No.

I think somewhere in.

Somewhere there, there was some form of ancestral worship that I done as well.

Yeah.

Because that has kind of come standard.

Yeah.

In many african homes.

Hundred percent.

That just comes standard.

You don't question that.

Standard procedures and your elders.

Yeah.

Anyways, and so I got to that church, and that thing really touched me.

I was like, wow, there must be a thing to this God thingy, because everything else I can see, it's.

It's, you know what we really working with the senses, with the emotions this time.

This guy, how can he know people's names like that?

Yeah.

And I'm.

And that was way before the age of technology where I was about to.

Ask way before that, put into chat GP.

There wasn't a chat GPT.

I don't think, at that time maybe one or two people who probably had a cell phone.

Okay.

It wasn't the days of.

And it was like, maybe the Motorola.

Oh, this sounds like a real gift here.

Yeah.

So you can't Google.

So I was like, I was quite touched.

And I remember on that day, I said, okay, I'm gonna give my life to this God.

And straightaway I said, probably coming from a young teenage suicidal mindset.

I don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

I'm like, I need to test out this God.

So I've received you and all that, and I've deceived you, so I want to know if you're real.

Yeah.

So I go to the bush, and there's people that.

These sangoma kind of guys.

Yeah.

They put their bowls with this traditional.

I don't know.

They call traditional.

Sometimes you find this blood in it.

Oh, wow.

Some of them take chickens and they do rituals and they leave them in the bush.

So the first thing I did was to go and find things like that, and I'll kick them.

Some people throw away money, say they're throwing away bad luck.

I'll pick it up.

You pick up, man.

I'll take it.

Yeah, I'll take it.

And for me, every time, I was like, if you are living, God, either I'm gonna die or you're gonna leave.

If I leave, you are living.

If I die, you're not there.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

So I literally put my life on the line, and I didn't die, obviously, while you're here, except there's some alternate universe thing that's going on for dead people.

He's alive.

He's alive.

Yeah.

So that's how I tested this God.

And I loved that church, too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the teaching was solid.

I really, really loved that church.

I grew up in that church, and people loved me.

And I had people that I really loved genuinely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, and the teaching was quite solid.

There was not weird.

Lot of, there was not weird stuff in there.

Well, except if you think prophesying is weird.

I got used to it to such a way that in that church, probably 90% of the people.

Professor.

Okay.

Including small kids.

So small kids can come and tell me my business.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Having said that, just to kind of qualify this, the prophetic gift is not necessarily for telling other people their business.

It's actually for you being able to just to talk to God.

Okay.

And hearing what he's saying about important stuff in your life.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, and I think a lot of people are prophetic.

They just don't call it that.

They call it intuitive.

They say, I had a small voice.

I had a sense.

Yeah, I had a sense.

So it's kind of being prophetic.

Sure.

Without you wanting to sound weird because you say, I'm prophetic.

Anyways, anyways, moving on.

So I grew up in, I grew up in that church.

I love that church.

In fact, I can tell you, I used to fast and say, God, if I ever leave this church, kill me.

Aibo.

Yes.

That's how much I love Jesus.

That's deep.

I'll fast, I'll pray.

That is very deep.

And I'll say, God, and if I ever leave, kill me.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

That he doesn't listen to all of, and he kind of saw, I think, the immaturity in that.

Yeah, yeah.

Anyways, almost at the end of it.

Don't worry about that.

Almost at the end of the story.

So we at one point.

Oh, yeah.

And then I started speaking in tongues.

Sure.

Yeah.

Which is another kind of weird subject in the christian community for now.

My friends went to fast for three days, and I never fasted.

And they said they want to fast.

And when they came back, all of them were like, speaking in new tongues.

Okay.

And I'm like, wow, this is wonderful.

And I'm saying, I'm gonna fast for three days as well.

And it's my first time fasting.

And I go and fast.

You had nothing to eat?

Nothing to eat, nothing to drink for three days.

Day one.

Okay.

Day two, I feel like I'm dying.

Okay, sure.

And I remember I'm praying on my own and I'm crying to God, by the way, all these things are not, you don't need to fast for them, for those who believe in that.

And, and I just say, God, I'm about to die here.

Uh huh.

Please, if you don't give me this.

Gift now, I'm gonna die.

And all of a sudden, I can't speak in my language anymore.

I start speaking in this weird language, and I'm trying to say hello.

Just normal hello.

I can't say normal hello.

And I'm just speaking in this, a different language.

Yeah, but not possessed like, you're not possessed.

You don't know who you are, what you're doing.

I can hear.

This is me.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I haven't been possessed.

I don't know.

Oh, remind me.

Maybe I'm going to tell you another story about that possession later.

I don't know why I like that kind of stuff, but I do anyways.

Yeah.

And that's the journey, how I got to Victor's redeemed church.

So in that apostolic church, and I'm doing all these things, and I love this church.

I love my church.

And then one day, I have an encounter.

Okay.

And it's a quite a deal.

I was just doing my normal fastings here and there.

Yeah, yeah.

I.

And I have encounter, and I believe I met Jesus.

Okay.

And people say, how did you look like?

It didn't look like anything, really.

It wasn't a physical thing.

I could sense that there's somebody in the room.

Somebody's talking to me.

I can hear the person.

Okay, okay.

Just in case you are going there, because I know you with your question, like, wow, dude, what did you look like?

I don't know.

Is he black?

That's a big one.

Before.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I should have checked.

Oh, man.

Yeah, yeah.

So, yeah.

And then this voice is speaking to me and says, I want you to go to your leaders in your church.

Yeah.

And I want you to tell them that I'm not happy with how they've been doing things, and they've been allowing a lot of false prophets to actually operate in the church.

And they're destroying people.

Yeah.

And I'm like, no, that's not what I'm looking for.

I'm not fasting to.

To be some form of hero or anything.

I love my church.

And frankly speaking, I don't want anybody who speaks badly against my church.

Sure.

And that voice says, but is it your church now?

Okay, it got me there.

It got me there.

I mean, like, really?

I mean.

Okay, okay.

You've got a point.

Yeah.

And then the first thing I did, because I was hoping somebody would tell me that, honestly, you've got a demonic spirit.

I would have accepted that.

Why?

Because this person is telling me that the one reality, my one place where I feel home, the one place where I really feel I belong.

It's full of false prophets.

Full of false prophets.

And God is not happy with it, and he's gonna remove it.

I'm sure that was semi heartbreaking, if not very heartbreaking.

Yeah.

So I don't.

I didn't want to hear that.

Yeah.

I would have easily accepted the message that there's something wrong with me.

This is just one person.

We can deal with that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyways, this is my world shattering, sure.

But anyways, I call.

I call the archbishop of the church, and I say, hey, how you doing?

He says, I'm fine, my boy.

What's happening?

And I'm saying, my name is honest.

And you might not know me, but this voice is speaking to me.

And this is what this voice is saying.

Yeah.

And the guy is very, very deep.

He's a very deep man.

And he sits down and he's quiet a little bit.

And he says, you know what?

I believe that's God talking to you.

Oh, really?

Go and tell everybody what he said.

I'm like, oh, why doesn't he say?

Why doesn't he do it?

Because he's the.

I don't know, man.

I don't know.

I'm still young by then.

He's the guy.

He's the guy.

He's the guy.

This off my hands.

He doesn't take it off my.

He leaves you with a burden.

And all of us have a place to play, guys.

Yeah.

We've got a part to play, okay?

And nobody can do that for us.

It's part of just our journey.

We just have to do it.

We have to do it.

And.

Yeah, yeah.

And just to touch on that, we're all waiting for somebody else to come rescue us.

Sometimes.

Nobody's coming.

You have to do it.

You gotta do it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You gotta do it.

And I go out there and I start.

I go to different countries where this church is, and I'm just going, hey, my name is honest, and it's a young, thin, slim boy.

I was happy about my body then.

Anyways, I say, hey, hi, my name is honest.

Okay.

Nobody knows me, obviously.

So you're in front of the church now?

No, actually, go to the leaders.

Oh, the leaders.

Okay, sure.

Can I.

Can I sit down with you?

I had a message, and I believe it's from God.

And this is what he said.

And everywhere they said, yeah, I think that message is most likely true.

Oh, okay.

But there's nothing we can do about it now because the church is too big.

If we start changing things, oh, it's gonna cause division.

And I was like, okay.

So they were happy that there were false prophets.

I don't know, man.

I don't know.

Anyways, so I come back and I'm in Cosmos City now.

We've moved from Scott Polar and I'm staying there at my local church.

And the guys don't like me because.

Because all of a sudden I'm like a heretic.

I'm like.

And that thing is because they actually come to me and say, you have become too educated to.

Educated?

Yes.

I think it's your education that is causing you to go and research things and you're coming up with all this nonsense.

Why is that a problem anyway?

Like, no, but this is biblical.

Check the Bible.

Everybody in this church is using water.

Where is it in the bible where God says, my prescription for healing, deliverance, prosperity is water?

Where is that?

It's not there.

It means something else has introduced you and this is not uncommon.

Look at the book of revelations, the book of revelation, written less than 100 years before the passing of Jesus.

Already there's problems in the church, five of them.

God is already not pleased.

Probably thousands of them.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

And it's not a bad thing when God comes to correct ours.

That is actually true.

I never thought of it that way.

Yeah, it's not a bad thing.

It's a good thing.

It's an opportunity to say, thank you, God, you're the owner of this thing.

Okay, let's see what we can do.

Yeah, but most of the times people don't do that.

They actually go and say, what?

Why are you telling us how to run things?

We think the church is our church.

Yeah, but it's God's church.

That's God's church.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's God's church.

And the moment it becomes our church, it's no longer God's church.

Yeah, because it means we call the shorts and not God.

And that's why false prophets come in.

Exactly.

Okay.

Exactly.

So, yeah, and I'm talking to these people and they're good, man.

I want you to know when I'm talking about a false prophet, I'm talking about somebody that if I take you to them today, they will get there, they will say, hello, Njabulo, how are you doing?

They will tell you your mother's name.

They will tell you when she was born, the great grandmother.

You go there, you're looking for somebody that is lost and they've not been seen for years.

They'll pinpoint the address of the phone number and where to go.

That is deep.

So these people are so accurate, but it's not from God.

And I'm not saying being accurate means you're not from goddess.

Tell people.

Yeah, tell people that.

Because most of the times when you.

Hear, oh, no, this guy was right.

So it must be from God.

Yeah.

So people need to understand that that is the source that matters.

Yeah.

The source of the message.

Yeah.

Anyways, anyways, so back to the story.

Back to the story.

And.

And I tell all these people, so they end up at my local church and they're like, no, we are going to suspend you indefinitely.

Ah.

What does suspend indefinitely mean?

It means you can come to church and sit down.

You're not allowed to pretty much do anything.

You're not even allowed to put on the garment that everybody puts on the uniform, basically.

Oh, that's excommunication.

It is excommunication.

And it was indefinite.

So regardless of what.

Repentance.

Yes.

That's must have been painful because you love this church, right?

Or you love the church.

It was bad, man.

It was bad.

So, yeah, so eventually I stopped going to church, and I come and I'm at my house, I read my Bible.

Two or three people from the kind of the whole homestead there.

There's a few tenants there that come and we're sharing the Bible.

And that's pretty much how the church kind of started in one way or the other.

But having said that, a lot of people, their lives are influenced by some form of ideology out there.

Yeah.

Some form of message out there.

And the problem is, if that message is not for your highest good, you're never going to become who you are.

You cannot shine your light.

Yeah.

Because you are thinking you are something else.

That you're nothing.

I don't have any business running away from the devil.

Yeah.

I don't need to get into holy water to hide from the devil.

Yeah.

I can't do that.

Because according to my Bible, I'm way greater than the devil.

Come on, now.

Of the Bible, I'm way.

I might not know it.

I might not fully understand the implications of that, but the fact is that I am in Christ.

Yes.

I am in Christ.

And.

And I've tested these things, man.

I'm a thinker like everybody else.

I don't go out there.

And just because you tell me then you think I'm gonna believe that.

Yeah, I kind of test things.

And that's just who I am.

I don't follow blindly.

I test things.

And if you say I'm that powerful, I go and test it out.

Okay, how did you go test that out?

Well, I've been in places where I've seen people that let me actually tell my wife's story.

Okay, okay.

Let me tell my wife's story.

And one point, we go to this place and we say, you know, we want to start a Bible study thing.

Going here?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we go there and we say, God, you are here.

And that's what your word says.

You are here, and we want to just experience you.

And if there's anything that is not of God here, we pray and we ask you to expose it.

And that's just that.

And all of a sudden, in this place, people start to fall down.

Yeah.

Some people start to shake violently.

Wow.

One guy, we didn't know this.

He had just been diagnosed with some form of cancer in his leg.

Oh, no.

And we go there, and his leg is shaking badly.

And my wife prays for him.

And he says, in the name of Jesus, we command that whatever is here does not.

The guy you are supposed to be amputated.

It was the next week, I think on a Thursday.

He goes there.

They say this thing has disappeared.

Wow.

So he went to the hospital.

Yeah.

And said, disappeared.

After that encounters.

Geez.

So.

And they have countless.

And there are real stories like this, right?

Yeah.

This is like normal people like you and me.

Not.

Not super religious.

Super.

What do hypnotize people?

These are the people just like you and me.

Yeah, yeah.

And we have had countless of those stories.

Just the other day, last week.

Is it last week or this week?

What's today?

Saturday.

Today's a Saturday.

Yeah.

One lady, we go there, we visit her.

She's not been coming to church for a while.

In fact, she came once, a few times, never came back again.

Go see her.

And she goes there and says, honest, I've been having a lot of issues.

What's the issue?

Okay.

I actually just suddenly got blind.

Even now my eyes are not okay.

I need to go and see a doctor and get glasses, like, okay, great.

And we say, okay, can we pray?

And we start to pray, and all of a sudden she starts speaking in another person's voice and says, what are you doing here?

I took this child from your church table.

Yeah.

Because I don't want this child to be with you, and I want this child to work for me.

And I'm like, ah.

Like okay.

All right.

So keep on praying anyways.

Keep on praying.

Just the other day, I'm probably gonna show you.

Remind me just after the show.

Yeah.

Says, thank you so much.

There's nothing wrong with my eyes.

Nothing.

My eyes, a hundred percent.

So I'm not saying every condition can be out there is.

Is because maybe there's some satanic influence.

Or some demonic conditions or just conditions.

They're just natural.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dude, if I don't eat well, I'm gonna be obese.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna develop issues.

Yeah.

You can't pray that away.

Yes.

But imagine you are doing everything right, and all of a sudden you feel ill.

Something just comes.

Yeah.

And like, where did that come from?

That's not, that's not natural.

Yeah.

Anyways, so back to your question.

Why do.

Don't most people shine their light?

You cannot shine your light until you know who you are.

Yeah.

And you cannot know who you are until God tells you who you are.

And most of us don't want to be told who you are.

We want to try out everything first.

All these ideologies, we only discover sometimes a generation later that it doesn't work.

When you say a generation later, for example, it's like if your father doesn't figure something out, then only you are going to figure it out.

Okay.

Yeah.

You discover a generation later.

Isn't that a bit late now?

It is.

A generation later means, can I do it now?

Because if I want to take a generation to figure it out, I'm dead.

Okay.

Look at this.

Yeah.

Listen to this.

I'm just going to use a popular platform that all of us use.

And I also use.

Yeah.

I'm going to talk about Facebook.

Sure.

Right.

Popular platform comes great.

Comes into the spotlight.

Let's look at.

So there's a lot of positive things that have come.

Yeah.

From Facebook.

Yeah.

But look at also the negative things that have come from Facebook.

Sure, sure.

So, and this is research.

This is studies that you can go out there and you can see that there are kids that are killing themselves because of when they're looking at other kids on Facebook.

Sure.

So a knack of likes and all of that.

So I'm not saying we shouldn't have Facebook, but I'm saying most of the times we realize a generation later that this thing, maybe we could have controlled it a little bit better.

Yeah.

We could have put measures around it a little bit better.

We shouldn't have just laid in and said like, oh, let's everybody go there.

Let's dive.

Let's have, let's party.

Yeah, yeah.

But it's already too late.

There's already lives lost, families lost, and, and, and that's just the reality of it.

So we try out these ideologies and we try them out against the ideology of the Bible.

Okay.

Instead of just using the Bible.

Yes, because we're like, no, like why does, why is this the only way?

Why, why should Jesus say, I am the way, not I am another way?

Do you think, do you think we do that because we have a preconceived idea of what we want, who we should be, and anything that doesn't line up to that, I'm going to run away from.

For example, I'll go to this church and that church and that church and that church, and I'll only go to the church or the prophet or medium spirit or whatever ideology that aligns to what I want.

Exactly.

And that's exactly what we do.

It aligns to what you want to.

But there's a reason mankind is a very.

What's the word?

What's it?

I'm looking, I'm gonna come now.

Give me a second.

Give me a second.

It's a very new civilization.

Now, the proponents of the big bang theory will tell you that mankind has been around for like say, homo sapiens sapiens.

They'll give you a certain 200, 300 or something thousand years.

Yeah, yeah.

And I'm not an advocate for that, but I'm just saying from whichever angle you look at it.

Yeah, yeah.

Mankind is a very young entity or civilization or organism.

Yeah.

We almost like children.

The reason we choose for our children with school to go to.

Yeah.

Is because we know better.

Yeah.

Is it because we want to abuse them?

No.

Well, hopefully not, but no.

I'm gonna take you to that school.

Cause I think it's the best school and I want to abuse you.

Any good parent wouldn't want to do that.

Exactly.

Yeah, yeah.

We doing the best we know because we've got slightly an advantage.

We've seen life.

Yes.

But if the child comes and says, you can't tell me where I want to go or how I should live my life.

Ah, I see.

They can say that, but they don't have the capacity to actually make sound decisions.

Very true.

Not there.

Yeah, it's not there.

So when God presents himself to us, to a young civilization, and he presents and we have the Bible today.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It is.

So that he can give us that foundation and that foundation until we're big enough or old enough or spiritually mature enough to now make proper decisions.

Sure.

And those decisions will always align with God when we are mature.

But before we are mature, he kind of leads us, says, hey, don't do that.

Go this way.

That's the whole concept around it.

So these ideas that we are bringing in, we really competing with what God says, and we say we can find a way that is better for mankind.

I can tell you that to this day, we haven't found a way.

After all of these religions and all of these ideas.

Ideas and organizations and crazy things that are happening out there, we haven't found it.

Nothing still beats that.

You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and you shall love your neighbor as yourself.

Tried and tested.

Yeah.

Solid.

That's solid.

Yeah.

It gets you and me to a point to say, maybe I'm not living this life for me.

Maybe I'm living it for other people.

Sure.

And if you can all live like.

That, it's a much better world.

It's a much better world.

Yeah.

And some people come and say no, but Christianity is kind of exclusive.

Or in a way, what do you call something that is on its own and doesn't want not inclusive?

So it's not inclusive.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And they say, no, we need to change it to make it more inclusive.

And we're seeing crazy things happening right now.

Again, it won't work.

It has never worked.

It won't work.

We meant to love people.

Love them enough to die for them.

Actually.

That's a hard thing to do.

What are you.

What are you saying?

What are you saying, bishop h?

Okay.

One of the things that has to do with love is I have to live my life for your greater good.

Yeah.

And it means that I have to tell you the truth.

I have to tell you that, NJ, I know that you think sleeping for 1 hour is a good thing.

Mm hmm.

It's not a good thing.

You might say honest.

You're judging me.

Yeah, honest.

But I'll tell you not, dude, I love you.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm not telling you because I hate you.

I'm telling you because I care.

Sure.

It's either you listen to me, or you're gonna find out the hard way.

The hard way?

Yeah.

And I don't want you to find out the hard way.

So I tell you that.

And if you look at the basic structure of, let's just say a family, a dad is supposed to live for his kids.

Sure.

What more is there to live for?

Chelsea football club.

No.

Besides Chelsea.

That's a very good argument.

Besides Chelsea.

Yeah.

What more is it to live for?

Okay.

You wanna build.

You wanna drive the big car and have a big house, right?

Yeah.

And then what?

Because you're gonna go.

Yeah.

And you leave it behind.

You're gonna leave it behind.

Yeah.

Not gonna go with it.

No.

But the way you love your kids and take care of them is going to continue to propel throughout life.

Yeah.

You're gonna touch people you never knew through your kids.

Through their kids, because you raised them.

Yeah.

I heard someone say that children are messengers we send to a future we will never see.

Can you do the dream, dream, dream thing?

That is so epic.

Yeah.

Children are messengers to a future that we will never see.

I heard someone say that the heart is deep.

That is deep.

And it's so true.

And that's the whole essence of Christianity, that you can't live for yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You gotta live for other people.

And that's at the core of it.

Even if people suck, because people suck out.

People suck out there like it's opinionated.

They say they need some.

People will even spit on you.

They'll backstab.

Backstab you.

Especially.

Not even.

Especially.

Take that back.

Even in the church itself?

Even in the church itself.

The devil's christians.

Yes.

Sometimes I think it's even worse in church.

Worse in churches.

Explain.

Sometimes I feel people say, I think.

I'm crazy if I say that.

No, no, no.

It's not crazy.

There's a lot of.

There's a lot of horrible people in the church.

And sometimes I can.

Even if you're brave enough, I can tell you I'm probably one of them.

Oh, wow.

Me.

Oh, okay.

I don't know about you, too.

I don't stay with you.

Ask the people who stay.

I'm probably one of them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And we not come into church because we're perfect.

Yeah.

We come into church because this is the one place whereby God says, I'm gonna model.

And God works with models, by the way.

Eden was a model.

Yeah.

So he says, this is the model place.

I want the whole earth to look like this.

Yeah.

And Adam and Eve were a model.

This is the model relationship.

Yes.

I want all relationship to resemble this.

Yeah.

So the church is a model as well.

Yeah.

And he says, I want people that are different, that are raw, that are just committed to loving me and growing.

I want them together to love one another.

To love one another.

Yeah.

And I cannot love you more than the love that I have received.

Yeah.

I can't give you what I don't have.

You'll be asking for too much.

Exactly.

I can only give you according to the capacity that I've received.

Sure.

So as I grow in my capacity to receive, by the way, mankind was just created to be loved.

Yeah.

That's the main reason God created us.

So.

God created us so he could love us.

He could love us and then we could love him.

Yes.

That's why we look for love so much.

Yeah.

And we're looking for it in all the wrong places.

All the wrong places.

Because we inherently, we feel that I need to be loved.

Yeah.

So we've joined gangs, we joined political parties.

We joined just to seek that love.

But anyways, let me not digress coming back.

So we are created to.