On this episode of The Karen Kenney Show, I talk about what I’m calling "your own personal Fight Club" – that private, often silent battle that every single one of us is ducking, bobbing, and weaving and sometimes still getting knocked on our ass by.
I share a wicked familiar driving story (use your feckin' blinkah'!!! 😆) to show how easy it is to leap to judgment, and how I’ve trained my mind instead to pause, get curious, and remember that I have no idea what somebody else is going through.
I riff on that famous quote, “Everyone you meet is fighting a battle you know nothing about. Be kind,” - then trace that sucker back to its original source and break down what it really means in relation to our everyday, human lives.
I also explore why so many of us don’t like to talk about our struggles. Whether it's because of old family rules, shame, fear of being a burden, or not wanting to look “weak” – and how keeping quiet keeps us stuck in isolation, thinking we’re the only ones who don't have our shit together.
So, this episode is an invitation to “break the first rule of Fight Club” by talking about what’s really going on with someone safe – a trusted friend, therapist, coach, or community – so you can get support, hear a fresh perspective, and maybe even extend a little mercy for yourself and others.
If we can remember that everyone's in their own personal Fight Club, it gets a whole lot easier to lead with kindness, patience, and compassion, and to write a more loving story about ourselves and each other as we try to navigate this crazy world!
KAREN KENNEY BIO:
Karen Kenney is a writer, podcaster, certified spiritual mentor, and coach.
She’s known for her dynamic storytelling, her sense of humor, her Boston accent, and her no-bullshit approach to spirituality, self-development, and transformational work.
Karen has been a yoga teacher since 1999, and a Thai Yoga Massage practitioner since 2008.
She's also a speaker, a certified Gateless Writing Instructor, and host of The Karen Kenney Show podcast.
She coaches clients individually in her 1:1 program THE QUEST and via her HEART-TO-HEART DAYS using Voxer. She also leads a group program and community called THE NEST.
Her down-to-earth approach brings together practical tools, resources, and storytelling that encourage curiosity, invites self-awareness, and helps people to know, love, and trust themselves more!
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It's the Karen Kenney show. Hey you guys,
Karen Kenney:welcome to the Karen Kenney show, and we're excited to be
Karen Kenney:here with you today and talk to you about what's been on my mind
Karen Kenney:and in my hat. So let's just start with a little story time.
Karen Kenney:Shall we a little a little doubt story time. Okay, so you know
Karen Kenney:how it is when you're driving in your car and somebody cuts you
Karen Kenney:off, or, you know, almost backs into in the parking lot, or this
Karen Kenney:is doing something that you don't like. Okay, let's just
Karen Kenney:stop there. I know definitely been hit. You know what I'm
Karen Kenney:talking about. So here's the deal. Somebody cut me off the
Karen Kenney:other day while I was driving. Was it intentional? Was it a
Karen Kenney:mistake? Who knows? I don't know, but here's something that
Karen Kenney:I've done. I've kind of trained myself. I've trained my mind to
Karen Kenney:after, of course, now let's, we're all human, right? So I'll
Karen Kenney:oftentimes, especially if somebody cuts you off in a
Karen Kenney:dangerous way, or does something, and you're like,
Karen Kenney:Jesus Christ, and you get you the bejesus, get out of you or
Karen Kenney:whatever, right? So, of course, you might have an immediate like
Karen Kenney:reaction. Doesn't mean you always say something or do
Karen Kenney:something, but your body and your brain will usually have an
Karen Kenney:immediate response. But once that happens, or even if that
Karen Kenney:does, does or doesn't happen what I have trained myself to
Karen Kenney:do, because it's really easy to be like, What are you a fucking
Karen Kenney:idiot? Like, oh my god. Like, use your blank guy. Like, you
Karen Kenney:know, hey, hey, look at I may or may not have thought in my head,
Karen Kenney:Hey, fuck face, right? Oh, God, please forgive me. Okay, but
Karen Kenney:here's the thing, once that momentary, because it's a
Karen Kenney:nervous system reaction, right? You blurt something out, or
Karen Kenney:whatever, not to them, just like to yourself inside, you come,
Karen Kenney:not flipping the bird like those days are over. I don't do that
Karen Kenney:craziness anymore, but I will say this, okay, I'm getting to
Karen Kenney:my point. Stay with me. Okay. I have trained my mind to think
Karen Kenney:and to consider this that I have no idea what this person's day
Karen Kenney:has been like so far. Maybe they got bad news, maybe something
Karen Kenney:happened. Maybe they're in a rush because they you know,
Karen Kenney:somebody's at the hospital. Wife is in labor. Who knows what's
Karen Kenney:going on, right? So number one, I try to remind myself I have no
Karen Kenney:idea what their day has been like so far, and I definitely
Karen Kenney:have no idea what their life has been like so far. And knowing
Karen Kenney:what I know through you know again, through my own work on
Karen Kenney:myself, through reading a lot of books, or being curious, working
Karen Kenney:with clients, all of it, the thing that I know is we are all
Karen Kenney:not just only humans. We also have nervous systems. We also
Karen Kenney:have brains that are releasing chemicals. We have reactions
Karen Kenney:like, you know, people, people I like, just out in life, getting
Karen Kenney:hammered a lot of the time. So one of the reasons why I do
Karen Kenney:that, though, is so that I can kind of stir up some empathy in
Karen Kenney:myself, some compassion in myself, to kind of lean in with
Karen Kenney:a little more curiosity instead of contempt and judgment, right?
Karen Kenney:So I've kind of trained my mind to be thinking about like I have
Karen Kenney:no idea what has been going on in somebody's day or somebody's
Karen Kenney:life. And when I was thinking about that, like I don't have
Karen Kenney:any clue what this person has been through or is going
Karen Kenney:through, etc, it got me to thinking about that famous
Karen Kenney:quote. We have all heard this quote in some shape, way or
Karen Kenney:form. It often gets attributed to all kinds of people who
Karen Kenney:really weren't the probably the ones who said it, but this is
Karen Kenney:the quote we often hear, right? Everyone you meet is fighting a
Karen Kenney:battle. You know nothing about be kind. Always, okay, everyone
Karen Kenney:you meet is fighting a battle. You know nothing about Be kind,
Karen Kenney:always. I've seen it attributed to Robin Williams, the actor, a
Karen Kenney:lot, which, yeah, whatever. That's fine. I've heard it
Karen Kenney:attributed to a bunch of people, but you know me. You know me.
Karen Kenney:I'm wicked curious. So of course, I had to look it up. I
Karen Kenney:had to look it up, and this is what I discovered you guys. And
Karen Kenney:it makes sense. It's all going to make sense as to what this
Karen Kenney:episode is about. So buckle up for Stacy and stay with me.
Karen Kenney:Okay, so when I look it up. The original source of the quote is
Karen Kenney:by a Scottish author and theologian. His name is, it's so
Karen Kenney:the quote is by Ian McLaren. That's where I should start, and
Karen Kenney:that is the pen name of a Scottish author and theologian
Karen Kenney:named Reverend John Watson. So I guess this message first
Karen Kenney:appeared in like 1897 it was a Christmas message that he wrote
Karen Kenney:in the British weekly. And what the quote actually said back in
Karen Kenney:the day was this be pitiful for every man is fighting a had
Karen Kenney:battle. Now pitiful back then it's intended. To mean be
Karen Kenney:compassionate, be empathetic towards other people. Be
Karen Kenney:empathetic towards and he says, Every man is fighting, every man
Karen Kenney:is fighting a hard battle, so be pitiful, right? Be that's,
Karen Kenney:that's where the be kind piece came from, and the more modern
Karen Kenney:version of it, right? But be be compassionate or empathetic
Karen Kenney:towards others and their hidden struggles. And when I started to
Karen Kenney:think about that, right, these hidden struggles, this fight
Karen Kenney:that, this battle that everybody is is fighting. So then I
Karen Kenney:started to think about that, so I started to break it down. So
Karen Kenney:right now you're just kind of getting like a little glimpse, a
Karen Kenney:little behind the scenes, sneaky peeky, a little sneak peek at
Karen Kenney:how my brain works, right? So I wrote this all down so that I
Karen Kenney:could share it with you. I like tried to break it down into
Karen Kenney:different parts, okay? So I started to think about this
Karen Kenney:quote. Now, right? Be, be everyone you meet is fighting a
Karen Kenney:hot battle. You know, nothing about Be kind, always, right? Or
Karen Kenney:the original. Be pitiful for every man is fighting a hard
Karen Kenney:battle. So I break this down, and the first thing we hear is
Karen Kenney:every man, every man so, aka, every single person is fighting
Karen Kenney:a hard battle. So we may not know what the battle is, right?
Karen Kenney:We're all going through some shit. Let's just put this being
Karen Kenney:human, this whole being human experience, yes, yes, there are
Karen Kenney:some amazing and beautiful and incredible parts, but, man, a
Karen Kenney:lot of it is hard. So we're all going through some shit, and
Karen Kenney:whatever our personalized, customized, you know, shit might
Karen Kenney:be, whatever. The personal thing is that the stuff that
Karen Kenney:everybody's going through, you know, we're all going through
Karen Kenney:it, okay, check Got it, okay, I'm breaking down this quote.
Karen Kenney:Okay, so we all got, we all got some shit going on, right, some
Karen Kenney:battle that we're fighting. Okay? And then this is the pot
Karen Kenney:that really though caught my eye, in my ear from this quote,
Karen Kenney:this pot, the whole quote, We know nothing about the whole. We
Karen Kenney:know nothing about it pot, because then I had to ask
Karen Kenney:myself, like, Okay, interesting, so why don't we know about it?
Karen Kenney:Because if everybody's going through it, everybody's going
Karen Kenney:through something, why don't we know about it? Now, sometimes
Karen Kenney:caveat, we might know about it because somebody is posting
Karen Kenney:like, hashtag, hashtag, vulnerable post, and they're
Karen Kenney:just airing it all. They're just airing it all on social media,
Karen Kenney:right? So sometimes we do know about it, but a lot of times we
Karen Kenney:do not know about it. And I'm thinking to myself, why don't we
Karen Kenney:know about it? And when I started to think about it, like,
Karen Kenney:why don't we know about it, then the first thing that popped into
Karen Kenney:my head was the movie Fight Club, and that, that famous
Karen Kenney:line, right? The first rule of fight club is, you do not talk
Karen Kenney:about fight club, first rule. And then the second rule of
Karen Kenney:fight club, you do not talk about fight club. And I'm like,
Karen Kenney:Oh my God. And as I'm thinking about that, I'm like, Okay, it's
Karen Kenney:like, in my brain, like, the Jenga piece is like, right? Or
Karen Kenney:what is it? Connect for the Connect Four pieces. You know,
Karen Kenney:when you would do like, connect the numbers. You would draw the
Karen Kenney:numbers connect the dots when we were little kids. So it's all
Karen Kenney:sat in the like, chink, chink, chink, in my head, right? So
Karen Kenney:this is when it so I think about the movie, right? The first rule
Karen Kenney:of fight club is you do not talk about fight club. And then it
Karen Kenney:also got me to think about the book that I'm writing, my
Karen Kenney:memoir. Some of you know that I'm a writer. I've been working
Karen Kenney:on this book, and I originally had a chapter that I titled, and
Karen Kenney:this is when the silence begins. This is when the silence begins.
Karen Kenney:But then I realized that I took that that title down, because
Karen Kenney:the silence was kind of always there, and that's like a running
Karen Kenney:theme that I see in a lot of New England kids, right? Definitely,
Karen Kenney:a lot of mass hole kids. That's the one, you know, group of
Karen Kenney:people I can really speak to with some authority. But you
Karen Kenney:know, the silence is often there. And in fact, I just got a
Karen Kenney:message from a family member, a much younger family matter
Karen Kenney:member on the step side of my family asking me if I can
Karen Kenney:enlighten him about some shit in my family, because nobody talks
Karen Kenney:about it. There's no answers to things. And I was like, kid, get
Karen Kenney:in line, right? That's why I'm writing a book. I started
Karen Kenney:laughing, okay, but here's my point. So we're all in our own
Karen Kenney:personal fight club. That's the thing we're like all in our own
Karen Kenney:personal fight club,
Karen Kenney:and you don't realize that you're in your own personal
Karen Kenney:fight club because of the number one rule of fight club, which is
Karen Kenney:we don't talk about. Fight Club, so we're all totally unaware of
Karen Kenney:what everybody around us is going through, because we don't
Karen Kenney:talk about jack shit around here, right? I mean, that's been
Karen Kenney:one of my things, just as a person, as a coach and as a
Karen Kenney:mentor, is that people end up usually sharing with me things
Karen Kenney:that they don't tell anybody else, like I hear all kinds of
Karen Kenney:things that their deepest dreams, their desires, their
Karen Kenney:fears, what's going on, like, in their lives, like, I often end
Karen Kenney:up hearing a lot about it and but in order for that to happen,
Karen Kenney:there has to be like, a safe place for, like, for that kind
Karen Kenney:of stuff to go on, usually. So when I'm thinking about this, so
Karen Kenney:if you're in your own personal fight club, and I'm in my own
Karen Kenney:personal fight club, and we don't talk about fight club.
Karen Kenney:We're all just kind of walking around, like bumping into shit,
Karen Kenney:you know, like cutting people off on the highway and in
Karen Kenney:traffic, because we are unawares, as I jokingly like to
Karen Kenney:say, we are unawares, and we're totally unaware of what everyone
Karen Kenney:is going through around us because nobody's talking about
Karen Kenney:it. So then I asked myself, well, why don't we talk about
Karen Kenney:these things? So I just know that for especially a lot of
Karen Kenney:kids growing up that I grew up with, you know how things were
Karen Kenney:in their house might have been different in my house, lot of
Karen Kenney:people like you don't air your parents, your grandparents, that
Karen Kenney:generation was you don't air your dirty laundry outside of
Karen Kenney:this house. We don't talk about what goes on inside of this
Karen Kenney:house, outside of this house. This is how so much dysfunction
Karen Kenney:and generational trauma and physical, mental, verbal, sexual
Karen Kenney:abuse goes undetected or unknown about because people didn't talk
Karen Kenney:about shit, right? That is classic, suck it up and stuff it
Karen Kenney:down, as I've coined that term, right? Suck it up and stuff it
Karen Kenney:down behavior. So you might have grown up in a house where you
Karen Kenney:weren't allowed to talk about those things, and it was like
Karen Kenney:this kind of code where we don't talk about stuff, sometimes we
Karen Kenney:don't talk about things and what we're going through, because we
Karen Kenney:don't want to be a burden to other people, you know, and we
Karen Kenney:feel like other people are so busy they got a lot on their
Karen Kenney:plate. Nobody has any time. I don't want to, I don't want to,
Karen Kenney:like, trauma. Some people call it trauma dumping, right? Like,
Karen Kenney:I don't want to just, like, dump all my stuff onto them. And
Karen Kenney:sometimes it's about being how we're perceived, right, like
Karen Kenney:people are afraid to be perceived as weak, like this
Karen Kenney:thing is weighing heaven heavy on me, and I need help, and I
Karen Kenney:don't want to be perceived a certain way. I mean, there's
Karen Kenney:1000 reasons why we don't talk about stuff. We have shame,
Karen Kenney:we're embarrassed, we feel guilty, we don't want to be
Karen Kenney:judged. I mean, on and on and on, you can just fill in your
Karen Kenney:own personal reason maybe why you don't talk about things. So
Karen Kenney:what happens, though, is when we don't talk about things, and we
Karen Kenney:all don't know that we're all in our own personal friggin fight
Karen Kenney:clubs, what ends up happening is we often feel like we're the
Karen Kenney:only ones going through the slog, right? We're the only ones
Karen Kenney:going who are like struggling or suffering. And James Baldwin has
Karen Kenney:a really beautiful quote. I wish I had had written it down, but
Karen Kenney:I'm going to paraphrase, if I can off the top of my head and
Karen Kenney:apologize in advance if I'm kind of getting the heartbeat of this
Karen Kenney:wrong. But it's kind of like he says, when you read books, you
Karen Kenney:start to realize that you're not the only one who is going
Karen Kenney:through this particular struggle, or that you are not
Karen Kenney:the only one that is suffering. In fact, everybody is suffering
Karen Kenney:in some way. I was going to look up the quote, but I forgot to do
Karen Kenney:it before I hit record. So here we are. But the thing is, is
Karen Kenney:like we can end up feeling like we're the only ones experiencing
Karen Kenney:this situation or this pain or this loss or this grief, you
Karen Kenney:know, because we don't talk about shit with each other, and
Karen Kenney:it might lead us to also believe that we're the only ones going
Karen Kenney:through it, which means that everyone else isn't going
Karen Kenney:through it, because we have this fantasy or this idea that
Karen Kenney:somehow miraculously, they're the ones that just always have
Karen Kenney:their shit together. And a lot of us do have our shit together,
Karen Kenney:but life is happening all the time to everybody. You know what
Karen Kenney:I mean. So a lot of times it feels like, Oh, everybody but me
Karen Kenney:has their shit together or whatever, which only feels more
Karen Kenney:isolating. And then we're like, well, and I'm just showing you
Karen Kenney:how the brain can work, right? For some people, it can feel
Karen Kenney:like, well, if they do have it all together, and they still did
Karen Kenney:something to me, did they do it on purpose then so it wasn't an
Karen Kenney:accident, like they did that shit on purpose, right? Which
Karen Kenney:can totally just send us into like a tailspin of judgment and
Karen Kenney:and whatever. And the thing is, is that we start to see the
Karen Kenney:dangers of being in Fight Club and never talking about it,
Karen Kenney:okay, but this gets us to the pot three at the end of the day.
Karen Kenney:We are really just over all in our own personal fight club, and
Karen Kenney:none of us realize what the other person is going through,
Karen Kenney:because, as we just discussed, rule number one of Fight Club
Karen Kenney:prohibits it. So here's the thing, maybe like, maybe like.
Karen Kenney:Just maybe we can try approaching like the whole human
Karen Kenney:experience, being with each other, being in relationship,
Karen Kenney:bumping into each other, trying to figure stuff out, getting
Karen Kenney:married, having babies, getting divorced, like the whole thing,
Karen Kenney:being born into a family, not feeling like you fit in or you
Karen Kenney:belong, like just the whole thing. If you can just think
Karen Kenney:about what it's like, maybe to be in other people's shoes and
Karen Kenney:to maybe try on their experiences, and you know what
Karen Kenney:they're going through. And you know, if we just take a look
Karen Kenney:around in the world right now, there's plenty, plenty, plenty
Karen Kenney:of suffering. So if we can just kind of keep in mind, as we
Karen Kenney:navigate life, that everybody is in their own personal fight
Karen Kenney:club, maybe we can just be a little bit more kind and
Karen Kenney:compassionate. So when a person cuts you off on the highway, you
Karen Kenney:can maybe just think to yourself, rather than going
Karen Kenney:ballistic and losing your mind and flipping them off and then
Karen Kenney:road rage and chasing them down the street, and then people are
Karen Kenney:recording each other with their phones and like, just the
Karen Kenney:insanity, right? Maybe we could just pause and say to ourselves,
Karen Kenney:hmm, maybe something horrible just happened in their life.
Karen Kenney:Maybe they just got really bad news. Maybe they're late for
Karen Kenney:work, and if they're late to work one more time, they're
Karen Kenney:going to lose their job. Maybe they just found out their kid
Karen Kenney:was sick, like, who knows? Maybe we could just write a story in
Karen Kenney:their favor, like that. They're not a total, complete asshole,
Karen Kenney:and they weren't trying to ruin your day. They just happened to
Karen Kenney:make a mistake like what if we just allowed some mercy and
Karen Kenney:compassion and possibility that you don't know the whole story
Karen Kenney:and try to write something in their favor and practice maybe a
Karen Kenney:little mini forgiveness, write a little boop, just a little, a
Karen Kenney:little teeny, tiny sprinkle, you know, of forgiveness. And here's
Karen Kenney:the other thing I want to say, if we're all in our own personal
Karen Kenney:fight club, if you're finding yourself in your fight club,
Karen Kenney:like swimming upstream without any help, right? What do they
Karen Kenney:say? Paddling upstream? You know, shit out of luck, because
Karen Kenney:you don't have a paddle. You're trying to paddle upstream.
Karen Kenney:Here's the thing, if you're finding yourself feeling anxious
Karen Kenney:or scared or alone or upset or lonely or whatever, there's 1000
Karen Kenney:ways we can feel when we feel like I'm having to do this all
Karen Kenney:on my own. Nobody cares about me, whatever. But if we're
Karen Kenney:starting to feel that way, maybe you can reach out to a friend or
Karen Kenney:a family member, or somebody you trust, and you can tell them,
Karen Kenney:like, Hey, I'm having a tough time. Or hey, this is the way
Karen Kenney:I'm looking at this. Can you maybe help me have a different
Karen Kenney:perspective? Or, Hey, can you just listen for a little bit? Or
Karen Kenney:like, hey, I need some help, right? I'm encouraging you break
Karen Kenney:the first rule of fight club. Talk about it with somebody.
Karen Kenney:Talk about your own personal fight club with somebody,
Karen Kenney:whether it's a therapist or a coach or a mentor or a trusted
Karen Kenney:friend, or in a safe community like the nest or something like
Karen Kenney:that. And again, I always say I can't tell people that I say
Karen Kenney:safe community, because the people in the nest tell me that
Karen Kenney:they feel like it's a safe community, but I can't, I can't
Karen Kenney:make everybody's nervous system think that or believe it. So I
Karen Kenney:say that I try to create a community that feels welcoming
Karen Kenney:and inclusive and safe with people, but it's only people in
Karen Kenney:their nervous systems that can decide that, right? So talk
Karen Kenney:about it with somebody, though, so that you can receive some
Karen Kenney:support. That's the whole thing. Okay? And then I want to kind of
Karen Kenney:wrap it up with this final thought about our own personal
Karen Kenney:Fight Club, which is this, when we are looking right well, so
Karen Kenney:when we look at the movie Fight Club, and we look at just double
Karen Kenney:checking my notes, I want to make sure I didn't forget
Karen Kenney:something here. Oh, interesting. Okay, so when you look at, when
Karen Kenney:we look at our own personal fight clubs, and we put it in
Karen Kenney:the context of the movie, and you look at the movie, and if
Karen Kenney:you've never seen the movie, maybe some of this won't make
Karen Kenney:sense to you, but go watch it, because it's a kill a movie
Karen Kenney:Fight Club. But if you look at the characters, right, what's
Karen Kenney:really interesting is that the the main character is actually
Karen Kenney:an unnamed narrator. So we just know him as the narrator, even
Karen Kenney:though we see Edward Norton, the actor on screen like acting, we
Karen Kenney:never learn his name. He's just the unnamed narrator. And I
Karen Kenney:thought this was such a brilliant choice, because to me
Karen Kenney:and I could be wrong, but to me, what it's pointing to is that
Karen Kenney:this is everybody. This is the this is the everyday person, the
Karen Kenney:everyday man, right? This is all of us, right? And any, any one
Karen Kenney:of us, right? I always say it's the unnamed narrator, because it
Karen Kenney:could be any one of us. And what's happening
Karen Kenney:is, is that Tyler Durden, who is the alter ego is causing so much
Karen Kenney:trouble, but Tyler Durden, we come to find out only exist in
Karen Kenney:the narrator's head. So the unnamed narrator and Tyler
Karen Kenney:Durden, who is the unhinged alter ego, the. Unhinged Alter
Karen Kenney:Ego only exists in his head. He's not actually real. So it's
Karen Kenney:like, this violent, aggressive, right? Like, character, this,
Karen Kenney:this personality aspect, this ego aspect. I always think about
Karen Kenney:Tyler Durden, and I'm like, Yeah, Brad Pitt, he's lean. He's
Karen Kenney:fighting machine. He looks good in the movie. Like, yeah. But,
Karen Kenney:you know, I'm like, yeah, he's charismatic, but he's also,
Karen Kenney:like, totally chaotic, you know, he's kind of, like devilish.
Karen Kenney:It's almost like this devil role, right? This taunting, kind
Karen Kenney:of temptation kind of role. And when I thought about that, like
Karen Kenney:the devil, the devil existing in his head, it brings me right
Karen Kenney:back to something that Marianne Williamson, she has said it like
Karen Kenney:a bunch of times in different ways, you know, on stage and
Karen Kenney:whatever, but I'll never forget when I heard her say it and she
Karen Kenney:said, she said this, she goes. I told myself, she said. I told
Karen Kenney:myself not to worry about the devil, because all that is in
Karen Kenney:your head, she goes, and then I realized, oh my God, that's the
Karen Kenney:worst place it could be. So it's like, oh my god. So we all have
Karen Kenney:this battle that's going on, but so often what we're battling and
Karen Kenney:what we're fighting right that that internal battle, what we're
Karen Kenney:fighting is ourselves. What we're fighting is our old fears
Karen Kenney:and our old thinking and our old patterns and our old beliefs and
Karen Kenney:our old stories, and we don't talk about it with other people
Karen Kenney:we're afraid of, like, again, being labeled or being called
Karen Kenney:something, or it's just scary to talk about sometimes, people you
Karen Kenney:know, their mental health, or their, excuse me, their mental
Karen Kenney:health, or their well being, or just the quality of their
Karen Kenney:thoughts and stuff like that, it can be scary sometimes. And I
Karen Kenney:think it's an AA or a 12 step program. I know it's in one of
Karen Kenney:the recovery programs. Is this concept that, you know, secrets
Karen Kenney:equal sickness. It's our secrets that make us sick when we don't
Karen Kenney:talk about things. And I've always kind of said to people,
Karen Kenney:you know, we sometimes look at I said we got to sometimes look at
Karen Kenney:our minds like a house. And a lot of times we have stuff down
Karen Kenney:in the basement, like some it's down in the dark, the lights on,
Karen Kenney:on, excuse me, and there's some critters down there, and there's
Karen Kenney:some weird noise and some funny smells, right? And it's like,
Karen Kenney:we're a little afraid to go down into the basement, but we got to
Karen Kenney:take that stuff out of the darkness and bring it up into
Karen Kenney:the light, up into our awareness, up into sometimes
Karen Kenney:into the therapist room, or in the CO on the coaching call, or
Karen Kenney:with the mentor, you know what I mean, or with a close friend, or
Karen Kenney:somebody you trust in your family, you know? And that's the
Karen Kenney:thing. We got to get it out of the basement, and we got to put
Karen Kenney:that shit on the front lawn. And I always think about this. Now
Karen Kenney:I'm not saying go and post all your most front lawn, meaning
Karen Kenney:online, internet, social media. I'm not saying that, you know,
Karen Kenney:put it on your sub stack, whatever you might. Put it in
Karen Kenney:your newsletter. I don't know. That's not necessarily what I'm
Karen Kenney:talking about. I'm just saying we got to get stuff out of the
Karen Kenney:basement. We got to put it on our front lawn. Because here's
Karen Kenney:the funny thing, nobody's gonna mention the shit in your
Karen Kenney:basement, the stuff that's going on inside of you. Nobody's going
Karen Kenney:to bring it up and mention it because they don't know it's
Karen Kenney:there. If you are not willing to communicate your feelings, your
Karen Kenney:emotions, your thoughts, your fears, your dreams, all of it,
Karen Kenney:right? People aren't going to know what's going on if they
Karen Kenney:don't know that it's there that you never give them a clue. You
Karen Kenney:never mention it. You don't talk about things, but you put your
Karen Kenney:stuff out on the lawn, and people are probably going to
Karen Kenney:stop by your yard sale. You know what I mean. You put some of
Karen Kenney:your wares on the lawn, and people are probably going to
Karen Kenney:come and check it out. At the very least, they'll be curious,
Karen Kenney:and they'll start asking you questions. You know what I mean.
Karen Kenney:So we have to help people. Why do we all want to stay isolated
Karen Kenney:in our own little like, you know, fight clubs. If we're all
Karen Kenney:in Fight Club, and that's the thing, you're already in Fight
Karen Kenney:Club, we're all in it, and we could all do a better job about
Karen Kenney:talking about it, about letting ourselves be seen as vulnerable.
Karen Kenney:Letting ourselves be seen is not perfect, or always having it
Karen Kenney:together, as being clumsy is fucking up, is falling down, you
Karen Kenney:know. And you know, when you have good help and good friends
Karen Kenney:and good support, you know, you can fall down a bunch of times
Karen Kenney:and still get back up. You know, I was just listening to a
Karen Kenney:podcast, and the guy, he was rich roll, and he was talking
Karen Kenney:about recovery and relapses. And I was really fascinated by the
Karen Kenney:way he was talking about relapses. And the thing is, is
Karen Kenney:that, you know, relapses happen to a huge percentage of people
Karen Kenney:who are in recovery programs. I'm not going to say it's
Karen Kenney:inevitable. It's not my place to say that, but it happens to a
Karen Kenney:lot of people. I'm. But if you have some things in place, it
Karen Kenney:makes getting back up a lot easier, getting your mind right,
Karen Kenney:getting some structure, getting back into whether it's that
Karen Kenney:program or a program that you're running with yourself, where you
Karen Kenney:have know your own ideas of like or your own systems in place of
Karen Kenney:helping you to keep your mind right, you know, and I think
Karen Kenney:it's really important that we try to find, if we're in our own
Karen Kenney:we're in our own personal fight club, that we find the right
Karen Kenney:time and the right place and the right person to talk about it,
Karen Kenney:somebody who's going to be an unshaming Witness, but somebody
Karen Kenney:who's going to be able to really deeply listen to Listen really
Karen Kenney:well, and who knows how to ask good questions. And one of the
Karen Kenney:first questions being, do you want me to just listen? Do you
Karen Kenney:just want my supportive ear? Or do you want help with solutions?
Karen Kenney:Right? That's a really big thing. So having an unshaming
Karen Kenney:Witness, somebody who will, you know, be there with you as you
Karen Kenney:kind of work out, flesh out, or just share what's going on with
Karen Kenney:you is a really, really, really big deal, and you know, that's
Karen Kenney:one of the great gifts of the nest, my little mentoring group.
Karen Kenney:And it's small, it's intimate. The people in there are lovely.
Karen Kenney:And you know, it's not, it's not a group for, like, bitching and
Karen Kenney:moaning and whining, I would say hashtag. It's not therapy. It is
Karen Kenney:a group of people who, you know, we talk about how when you want
Karen Kenney:to make change in your life, you want to be around a group of
Karen Kenney:people where those changes, those structures, those beliefs,
Karen Kenney:those resources, are already in place, where it's already the
Karen Kenney:norm. You want to go to a place where the desired change or
Karen Kenney:behavior is already normalized. It's already happening. It's
Karen Kenney:already in progress. You know what I mean. So if you've been
Karen Kenney:in your own little personal fight club and you want to get
Karen Kenney:out of it, you know, we got to break the first rule. We got to
Karen Kenney:be willing to talk about it. And I think it's one of the most
Karen Kenney:helpful things that we can do. I have seen people be completely
Karen Kenney:unburdened, or at least the very beginning of the healing process
Karen Kenney:of becoming unburdened by talking about things that have
Karen Kenney:been weighing heavy on their heart and their mind. So look,
Karen Kenney:we all might have an alter ego. It's just causing chaos. It
Karen Kenney:might be charismatic. You might like that part of your
Karen Kenney:personality, but we often find that like chaos ensues
Karen Kenney:afterwards. So you guys, I hope this has been helpful in some
Karen Kenney:way, right? Just coming back to the main points here, which is,
Karen Kenney:right, everybody's going through something and that we know
Karen Kenney:nothing about it. We often know nothing about it because we
Karen Kenney:don't talk about it. So we got to break that rule. And maybe
Karen Kenney:those rules are hard to break or scary to break because of how
Karen Kenney:things were in your family growing up, and you weren't
Karen Kenney:allowed to talk about those things. Okay, but you're not
Karen Kenney:being a burden to people who truly love you if you're trying
Karen Kenney:to share what's on your heart and your heart and your mind,
Karen Kenney:you're not going to seem weak. In fact, to me, we forget that
Karen Kenney:what our vulnerability really is is our strength, allowing people
Karen Kenney:to see each other as human. There is universal suffering,
Karen Kenney:even in personal details. We think, well, nobody knows.
Karen Kenney:Nobody gets it. Nobody knows what it's like to be me. The ego
Karen Kenney:wants to make you very special. But trust me, like James Baldwin
Karen Kenney:said, you start to get out there, and you meet some people,
Karen Kenney:and you read some books, and you start to realize we're all going
Karen Kenney:through it. We're all in a slog. We're all in a struggle. You
Karen Kenney:know what I mean. And then here's the thing, let's try to
Karen Kenney:try to extend, like, go back to the quote itself, and just try
Karen Kenney:to extend that, that, that that quote, I'll give it to him. Give
Karen Kenney:them both to you. Again. Everyone you meet is fighting a
Karen Kenney:battle. You know nothing about Be kind, always, and then the
Karen Kenney:original, be pitiful, or slash, be kind, be compassionate. For
Karen Kenney:every man is fighting a hard battle. We're all in it, you
Karen Kenney:guys, and we need each other. And kindness goes a long way.
Karen Kenney:Compassion goes a long way. A good listening ear goes a long
Karen Kenney:way. And just extending love to each other, right? And that's,
Karen Kenney:that's one of the things about this podcast that I really try
Karen Kenney:to do, is to just spread a little more love in the world.
Karen Kenney:You know, sometimes it's not always easy, because people are
Karen Kenney:acting crazy out there, but we got to do our best to be, I
Karen Kenney:would say, be the living example, like be the example
Karen Kenney:God, the whole, you know, Gandhi quote, be the change you you
Karen Kenney:wish to see in the world. So we have to start, and we have to be
Karen Kenney:brave, and we have to be encouraged. We have to show up
Karen Kenney:with a little more courage and maybe start the conversation and
Karen Kenney:say, Hey, I don't know about you, but I've been struggling
Karen Kenney:with some things and and so that way we can talk about fight club
Karen Kenney:together. Which makes me think you guys, it's so funny. You may
Karen Kenney:not know this. I wanted to start like, and I do, I do, do writing
Karen Kenney:salons. I have
Karen Kenney:had many writing workshops and retreats and things over the
Karen Kenney:years, but I really wanted to start a little group called
Karen Kenney:right club instead of Fight Club. And I wanted to say, like,
Karen Kenney:and one of the things I was telling, when I was telling my
Karen Kenney:friends about it, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys. I just had
Karen Kenney:this idea. I want to call it right club. And I was like, but
Karen Kenney:the difference is, is that the first fool, the first rule of
Karen Kenney:right club is, I want you to tell everybody about right club.
Karen Kenney:And. It. But unfortunately, so many people, once I Googled
Karen Kenney:dicks, I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna Google it, but, and a
Karen Kenney:lot of people are using it in different ways, but I love the
Karen Kenney:idea of right club, and we're all gonna talk about it. But
Karen Kenney:here's the thing, guys, thank you for being here. I super
Karen Kenney:duper appreciate you. Wherever you go out into the world, may
Karen Kenney:you leave the animals and the people and the planet and the
Karen Kenney:environment and yourself better than how you found it wherever
Karen Kenney:you go, may you and your presence and your love and your
Karen Kenney:energy be a blessing. Bye. Hey. Thanks so much for listening to
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