00:00 Introduction and Weather Talk

01:20 Digital IDs and Privacy Concerns

02:31 Christian Perspective on Global Surveillance

04:21 Faithfulness Over Fear

09:20 Pharisees and Traditions

11:42 Gentile Woman's Faith

15:51 Feeding the 4,000

16:50 Deja Vu: The Feeding of the 4,000

16:55 Significance of the Seven Baskets

17:29 Jesus in Gentile Territory

17:57 Disciples' Reactions and Gentile Perceptions

18:14 Mark Chapter 7: Pharisees and Traditions

19:05 Traditions vs. God's Word

19:36 Applications of Scripture in Worship

21:30 Heart Motives and Worship Practices

25:26 Gentile Faith and Unique Miracles

27:57 Jesus' Command Over Creation

29:30 The Glory of God and Creation

31:01 Eternal Salvation and Glorification

32:48 Concluding Thoughts and Prayer

Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to another edition

of the daily Bible podcast.

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Gangsters it's Saturday.

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So hopefully everybody's

enjoying their Saturday.

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It's been a little bit cooler.

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The weather is peaking back up though.

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It's it's getting a little warmer again.

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But I tell you what, man,

Thursday morning was 44 degrees.

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I love hell though.

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I love the, it was cold, but I loved it.

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Yeah, it was, it was a, it was nice.

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It was refreshing.

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It was crisp.

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Uh, that was a, that was an

enjoyable, enjoyable morning.

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Oh, man is pretty, makes me

excited for what's coming.

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Well, I don't know.

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I, it gets pretty cold and I don't

like running my water all night.

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I don't like wasting water.

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I don't like, uh, going out and freezing.

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A lot.

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Yes.

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Yeah, so I, I'm kind of excited

and, uh, trepidatious, please

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don't kill me God kind of way.

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Yeah, I like going out in the cold

because listen, I mean, you can

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always put more on, but there's

only so much that you can take off

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and still be societaly acceptable.

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So, well, The line is moving further

and further away from my comfort level.

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Unfortunately.

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You're right.

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The shorts are shorter.

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The tops are top of your.

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Cover less flesh.

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I don't know, man.

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You're right.

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You're right there.

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There is something that I would prefer the

cold over the heat if I have to choose.

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Right.

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But I don't want either to be extreme.

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Okay.

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Will you move to Texas?

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So.

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You know what this is.

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I do miss California for a lottery.

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You know, here's one thing about

California that I, I really wish

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I had access to and it's not

gonna be the thing that you think.

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Okay.

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So here's what it is.

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Of all the things that I

miss and I do miss a lot.

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I really, I really want

a digital ID on my phone.

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Because then I could just carry,

I can just carry my phone.

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California's have that now.

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Well, they have, if you, if you do.

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Yeah, I think they're one of the states.

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There's only a handful that are

doing this, where you can have your

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driver's license on your device.

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So it's in your apple wallet.

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I would love that.

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Because I carry my wallet around

because I have my ID in it.

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Right.

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And sometimes you don't

carry your wallet around.

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I left it at the hospital recently and

I had to turn around and go get it.

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Cause I, and I'm not

used to carrying it now.

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Right.

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Because I only hear my phone

cause everything I could

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pay for, I could tap to pay.

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I love that.

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Yeah, it's bad for a lot of reasons for a

lot of people, but here's the thing people

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are concerned about the digital IDs.

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Yeah.

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Is this the mark of the beast?

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Is this a way for government to control

us in a new and crazy kind of way?

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You know, cookies and tracking and D.

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They're going to, not only do you have

a digital ID, but you have digital

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tracking all over the interwebs and

then you've got people that are really

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interested in making sure that they

know your likes and preferences.

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I hear China is.

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Uh, hacking into different

servers and systems.

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They have weather balloons that

are near all of our military bases.

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And so I know I'm painting

a big picture here.

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Yeah, that's pretty broad, but, but

I think a lot of people are going

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to see these things are related.

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You.

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Super intelligence agencies working

together to collect information about

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us and ultimately to use it against us.

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Right.

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How do Christians think

about these things?

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Okay.

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I don't want to oversimplify things,

but I'm, I'm going to say this.

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Okay.

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If all that's true.

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What are you going to do about it?

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Like, what are you, what are you as

an individual going to do about it?

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Okay.

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Let me respond on their behalf.

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I'll I'll I'll keep my plastic ID.

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Thank you very much.

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Yeah, we use a VPN server.

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Awesome.

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I'll make sure that I'm not, uh, you

know, I I'll use a secure web browser.

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Okay.

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Oh, the things I could go down a rabbit

hole if you want to do it, do it.

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But, but like, if you, if you're asking

me are digital IDs, the, the, the mark

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of the beast, number one now in the

answer, why is the church is not on the

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scene when the mark of the beast comes.

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Uh, if our eschatology is correct,

and we have biblical convictions,

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that it is the churches in here

during the tribulation period.

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And that's when the mark of the beast

happens in the microchips and you're

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not gonna be able to buy anything.

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Listen, Christian, if you're worried

about that, you need to be worried

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more about the fact of whether or not

you're part of the bride of Christ.

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Because if, if you're truly

thinking, man, I'm going to be here.

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When all that stuff goes down,

then, then you're not with Jesus.

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You're not caught up with him.

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You're not together with him,

which we believe is where

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the church is going to be.

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So digital ID.

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Is it the mark of the beast?

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No.

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Um, does that mean that it couldn't be

used nefariously for, for, you know,

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foreign nations and things like that?

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And can our, yeah, listen, you

can, and you mentioned rabbit hole.

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You can waste so much time and energy

and effort and, and consternation.

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Panicking and being afraid of

what what's China going to do.

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What's Iran going to do what's.

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Listen.

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At some point, you got to come back

to the end of the day and go, I.

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In in.

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The fact that God is sovereign

is such a profound truth that

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we read off way too quickly.

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And the fact that God has his

sovereign in that he's given you

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a mission, he's given you a task.

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And he said, this is what I,

what I have for you to do.

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And none of that involves, you

know, chasing all those rabbit

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holes and all those rabbit trails.

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Um, it's it's to be faithful to what

he's called you to do and, and to

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trust him and to trust that he is the

one that's moving all of the national

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pieces, everywhere that they're moving.

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He's the one that's controlling

the internet, the dark web

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and the light web he's.

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He's doing all of it.

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So, um, listen church.

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I'm not, I'm never going to

be the eschatological pastor.

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I'm never going to be the pastor.

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That's like, it's the blood moon

and the blood moon means this, that,

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and the other thing, because listen,

my job is not to make you panic.

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It's to make you faithful.

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My job is not to make you afraid

of what's coming around the corner.

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It's to make you passionate,

to reach people for Christ and

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to live as, as, as Christians.

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Yes, we need to look at the time.

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So we're going to see that in the daily

Bible reading coming up, but, but not

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to panic, to be ready for his return.

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And the way that you're ready for

his return is not hanging out in your

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bunker with your rabbit ears and your,

your tinfoil hat on it's getting out.

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And it's being faithful to what

he's called you to do, doing the

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work the master called you to do.

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That's what Jesus said.

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Blessed is he who he finds doing the work.

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Which involves being active and

present and reaching people for Christ

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and living as a faithful follower of

Jesus in this world that we live in.

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Perhaps someone would agree with you

and say, you know what, pastor PJ.

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Yeah, I am.

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Amen.

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I agree with what you're saying.

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Maybe the disagreement might be how

they understand what faithfulness

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looks like in this present season.

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So someone might say, look, I

think building a bunker for my

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family and putting, you know,

canned foods down there and.

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Having an electrical supply is, is one

of the best ways that I can prepare for

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what I think is coming down the line.

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You know, you got Iran invading Israel,

and now America is sending reinforcements

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or sending a missile detection system

along with about a hundred troops.

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It looks like for, for

reading the tea leaves.

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And I know that you can go Roman this,

that it seems like we're headed towards

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something potentially big potentially.

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Uh, of course you got Russia and their

aggression against Ukraine, that's still

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happening and you have other global

conflicts, as Jesus said, there's wars

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and rumors of wars before he comes.

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And so we expect this on the one hand,

but on the other hand, What role does

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you talk about divine sovereignty?

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Which, okay.

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Again, this is hypothetical person in

my mind that I'm talking to is saying.

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Yeah.

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Amen.

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Let's also talk about

human responsibility.

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Is it not our job to be prepared.

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Uh, and, and be wise and just Emile.

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If, and when there was some kind of

EMP that disabled our system, Hey,

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I got a bug or come to my place, you

know, and I've got a landline that's

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not connected to that, this and that.

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And I've got canned food that can sustain

us for three weeks or whatever it is.

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There's going to be

people that are like that.

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In fact, there's a lot of people that are

like that and some pretty conservative

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strongholds really popular in those

circles to say, Hey, stock up on guns,

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stock up on ammo, stock up on camp foods.

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You know, build your bunker

because you gotta be ready.

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And you know, this is,

this is the American dream.

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Make sure that you're

protecting all the things and.

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Got it.

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I got to admit some of

that makes sense to me.

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I'm not doing any of it.

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Not doing any of that.

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Right.

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But I can understand why

someone would say that.

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So how, how might you talk to that person

who would agree with everything you said.

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And say yes.

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And I understand faithfulness

to me, these things.

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Uh, God's will is not free to be safe.

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God's will is not for

your family to be safe.

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Uh, in the other word in, in other words,

meaning that that's not the ultimate

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goal that he has for you or your family.

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The ultimate goal he has for

you and your family here.

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If all of you are Christians is

to reach more people for Christ.

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That's why you're still here.

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Um, the American dream is not the

Christian dream and we conflate

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those things and that's dangerous.

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And that's one of the, the, the main

arguments I have against Christian

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nationalism right now is it's

going too far towards conflating.

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The idea of.

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Christianity and the American dream

and what the, the American ideal

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was when our country was founded.

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We are not the same country that

we were in and some of the reasons.

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Are the very reasons why people

are building bunkers and stuff.

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Listen, if you want to

do that fine, do that.

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But, but can I just ask you to be

as, as passionate about reaching

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people for Christ, as you are

about, you know, Stocking up on

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cans and buying more guns and ammo.

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I think we're passionate

about the wrong things.

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I mean it's yeah.

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The early church was different than

what we are in and it was called

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to be different than what we are

today, but, but in the early church,

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Christians were being arrested.

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And, uh, and use this as torches dipped in

tar to lighten euros, um, garden parties.

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And, and the early church, didn't

say, Hey, let's build bunkers

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so that the Roman soldiers can't

find us, let's go underground.

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So the Roman Roman soldiers can't find us.

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That's why they fled.

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And they went and they, they

spread the gospel elsewhere.

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They went in and planted churches

and other areas, but, but they didn't

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say my goal is to just survive this.

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They said my goal is to, to do what

God wants me to do and keep doing

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the work in the ministry here.

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And so I think there's something

for us to learn from that as we

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consider our current context.

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So it doesn't sound like you're

saying no, not never, but no in its

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or yes, but it in its proper place.

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And it sounds like what you're

saying is look, the, the emphasis on

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should be on faithfulness of Christ.

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Um, which is going to look like.

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Can being concerned

with Christ priorities.

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Which is going to be.

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Reaching the lost,

expanding the gospel and.

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Making sure that that's taking place

in your life and in your family.

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And then if you have resources where

second secondary tertiary or beyond.

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You want to build a bunker and do

stuff like that for your family?

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Fantastic.

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Yeah.

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If all the other pieces are in place, if

you have the right foundation than some

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of these other things that you may want to

do, Maybe in there, maybe they're great.

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And they're well motivated.

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You can do those.

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You have freedom for that.

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If the first things are first, right.

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Okay.

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Problem solved.

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Why is no one listening to this?

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I dunno, we ought to just write,

write a book, be very short.

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We could just copy and paste all.

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We just said, let's sure we could.

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We won't, but we could.

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Yeah.

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We have resolved everyone's problem.

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And fastest on the wrong syllable.

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Uh, Matthew chapter 15 opens with that.

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Um, yeah, the Pharisees are

confronted here for, uh, their

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traditions and emphasizing their

traditions over the word of God.

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And so they had this apparent Uber

spirituality that was lingering

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around them, that they put out there.

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Which was really just vein tradition

and Jesus exposes them for looking

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religious while remaining in really lost.

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In fact, they were

emphasizing their traditions.

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So much so that, that their

traditions were conflicting in

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contradicting the word of God.

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And they were choosing

tradition over God's word.

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So.

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Uh, they were not doing the right thing.

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We can get into that too.

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I think we have to

listen as a church plant.

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One of the benefits we have is we can't

answer what we've always done it this way.

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Because nothing falls into that

category, but we need to be careful as

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we continue to, to exist as a church,

if God wills that, that we never get

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to that place to say, well, we do this

because we've always done it that way.

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And if we get there, then we have

we've, we've lost the purpose.

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And the purpose needs to

always be the glory of God.

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And the Pharisees had lost the purpose

for why they were emphasizing all of

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the things that they were emphasizing.

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They were born out of good

desires that the Pharisees.

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Came to be during the intertestamental

period during the 400 years of silence.

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And they initially saw Hellenism, which

is the Greek culture and the Greek

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influence beginning to crowd out Judaism.

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And beginning to water down

traditional, uh, Uh, Jewishness

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and in the, even the Torah.

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And so the Pharisees emerged

during that time to say, Hey,

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we need to protect God's law.

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We need to make sure

that we preserve this.

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That was a good thing that started,

but then it eventually morphed

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into something that was far

from that original purpose here.

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As we get to them in Matthew 15.

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Uh, verses 10 through 20, then Jesus goes

after the heart of the problem and the

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heart of the problem is a heart problem.

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Um, and that's where he gets into lists.

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Listen, all the things that you're

worried about, again, Pharisees, all

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the things you're worried about filing

these things on the outside foods and

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what you touch and what you don't touch.

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None of that can actually

render somebody unclean.

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What, what makes a person unclean or

reveals their uncleanness rather is

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their heart and their heart is seen

in what they speak and what they say.

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And so that's why we go back

to the new covenant language.

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And that's why we go back

to the idea of, of, uh, John

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chapter three and regeneration.

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We need a new heart.

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To deal with the true problem.

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We don't need to go through a period

of purification or anything like that.

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We need a new heart.

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We need God to cleanse us inwardly

if we're going to be okay.

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Outwardly.

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Uh, 21 through 28, we

get to a Gentile faith.

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This one's an interesting one.

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You have this woman who approaches Jesus

and Matthew calls her Canaanite woman.

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Uh, and just some or summarize it and

then PR I want your thoughts on this.

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Um, she approaches Jesus and

she asks him to help her.

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I think it's a daughter

or, yeah, my daughter.

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It's severely oppressed by a demon.

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And Jesus has this interaction where he

says to the disciples who say, Hey, send

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her away for she's crying out after us.

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The application seems to be, Hey, will

you just do what she wants and then send

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her away because she's kind of annoying.

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And geez.

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That's why Jesus responds first to

them to say, I was only sent to the

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lost sheep of the house of Israel.

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He's not talking to her at that

point, but then she comes in kneels

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before him saying, Lord, help me.

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And he says that.

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The interesting statement about

not taking the children's bread

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and giving it to the dogs and then

her response, but even the dogs get

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crumbs and Jesus commends her faith.

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Great.

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Is your faith and does what

she asks at that point.

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So PR.

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What are.

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Do with this, this interaction

here, what's significant about

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who she is, where she comes from.

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And what Jesus does with her here.

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Oh, man.

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There's so much here that

I'm going to be super brief.

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So I'm not going to do it justice for

listening to say, give me all the details.

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Let's just start with the

fact that she's an outsider.

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Verse 22 says that

she's a Canaanite woman.

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Uh, Mark's going to say that

she's a Phoenician woman.

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Which tells us what part of

Syria that we're talking about.

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So she's from the Phoenicia or

Syria in Phoenicia, which is

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going to be north of Israel.

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Uh, would be re re Gentile

territory is what we're saying here.

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So now Matthew emphasizes that

she's an outsider to the nth degree.

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She's not just a, uh, a Gentile,

she's a Canaanite Gentile.

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And of course there's a long history.

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That a Jewish mind would say, oh

yeah, these people, ah, You know,

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Spit, you know, That kind of thing.

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So she's an outsider.

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And she's the one who's coming

to them and the disciples seem to

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be kind of off put by her in it.

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And it seems like they're just saying,

let's just get rid of her, send her away.

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I don't.

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I don't know if I agree with you, pastor

PJ, it doesn't seem to me, like they're

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saying, Hey, heal her and let her go.

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It seems like, Hey, just syndrome.

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Come on master.

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Let's get her out of the way here.

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She's she's a knowing

she's, she's not one of us.

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You're not sent to the people of.

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Oh some area or the Gentiles yet.

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They don't know that, but

you're not sent there.

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So.

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Uh, and then Jesus responds

harshly or at least it appears.

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So anyway, you know, he says something

that on the front end of it looks like

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it's just really cold callous Curt.

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And, and most people are going

to look at this and say, Jesus

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is actually doing something

incredible because he's giving her.

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A speed bump in order to let the full

blossom of her faith be demonstrated.

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And this of course is

not just for her sake.

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This is for the disciples

who are Jewish men.

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They're going to be shocked at her faith.

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When Jesus commends her.

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He's doing it as a means to say,

look, I want you to draw on closer,

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pressing a little more tightly.

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Draw draw closer.

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And so he's not being as rude as it looks.

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He, what he is saying though, is,

look, you're not going to give food

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for the kids and throw it to the,

to the, the wild dogs in the hood.

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You're not going to throw a really good

steak that you made for your children and

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then give it to the neighborhood Bobcat.

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So he wants her to press in.

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And she does exactly that

when she does that, I think.

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From what I'm reading here.

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Jesus is elated.

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Oh woman.

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Great.

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Is your faith.

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He's a, he's a late, he's excited.

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He wants to highlight her faith.

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And he says it be at done

for you as you desire.

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And her daughter was healed instantly.

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So you have something really special here.

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This is a preview and a foretaste,

a Costco sample of what Jesus

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is going to do for the Gentiles.

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Eventually.

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Just not yet.

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So she's a special partaker of what's

going to be happening in the future.

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Although mark take on it.

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It's a little different and I guess

we can get there when we get there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So there you go.

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W whether or not the disciples were

saying center, when he learned not.

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Yeah.

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The story is, is laid out there.

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Um, yeah, and I think.

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I was trying to remember where I saw that.

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I want to say it was maybe BKC,

uh, suggested that because it

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says in verse 24, he answered.

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So 23, the disciples say, send her

away for she's crying out after us.

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He.

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He answered.

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I was only sent to the lost sheep of

the house of Israel, which implies

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perhaps that they were saying, Hey,

can you just do what she's asking?

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He's saying.

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I was only sent to the, to Israel.

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I'm not here to help the, those that

are outside of the house of Israel.

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Oh, who's he answering?

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That's that's what I want to know is the

answering her as you're answering them.

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Well, yeah, I guess.

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Yeah, interpretive question.

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Right?

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Challenge.

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Either way.

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Pointed at the same.

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Yeah, that's good.

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Uh, after this, we get to

another feeding of the masses.

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The 4,000 are fed in verses 29.

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Through 39.

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Uh, massive crowd flocks to Jesus as he

had posted up and began healing people.

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And in verse 32, it, we found out

they had been with Jesus three days.

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And so all the provisions they

had brought with them had run out.

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And so that's, uh, that's going

to be a different situation.

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Whereas in the other one, it was

kind of a happenstance that they

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came upon the crowds there back when

he fed the 5,000 and they didn't

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have the provision for them here.

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They'd been with him for three days.

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And so they're out of provision.

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So Jesus tells the disciples to.

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Hey, we need to feed them.

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And verse 33, my response

to this is just seriously.

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When one of the disciples say, where are

we going to get enough bread in such a

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desolate place to feed some greater crowd?

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What.

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Happening guys.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know that you

have to have eyes to see to.

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To pick up on, on the, you.

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The ridiculousness of this.

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Um, yeah, and he calls and he says,

okay, give me the bread and the fish.

472

I wonder if at that point

they're like, oh yeah, we forgot.

473

We've seen this before.

474

Feels.

475

Vaguely familiar.

476

Anyone feel like deja blue right now?

477

So he gets seven loaves this time and a

few fish and he feeds them and they pick

478

up seven baskets full afterwards, which

he made them the note last time that, that

479

there was significance in the 12 baskets

full, I think there's significance in the

480

seven baskets full also seven was the.

481

The number of perfection of

completion of fulfillment.

482

And so Jesus is able to feed to

the fullest to provide to the

483

fullest amount needed there.

484

So I read that in this account

that the feeding of the 4,000.

485

So some people would naturally ask,

well, why is he doing this again?

486

I heard.

487

I read that.

488

There's a strong possibility that he's

in Gentile territory when this happens.

489

And that the reason that he's doing

this miracle again is because he's

490

doing it for a different audience, the

woman being the first fruits of the,

491

uh, the experience, but here being

a potential for the next section or

492

the next iteration of Jesus Gentile.

493

Miniature.

494

Do you have any opinions about that?

495

Do you think that's true false otherwise?

496

Yeah.

497

I mean, I could certainly see that as

being a real possibility, um, because

498

he, he does appear to be in shock.

499

Yeah.

500

I could see that.

501

A hundred percent.

502

Okay, there we go.

503

Yeah.

504

And maybe that's some of the reason why

the disciples don't immediately go to

505

the fact that he's going to feed them

because he's looking at them as Gentiles.

506

And he's like, they're thinking,

surely he's not going to do.

507

Yeah for us.

508

Exactly.

509

Yeah.

510

And the response is not the same.

511

They don't come and be like, Hey,

we're going to make you king.

512

Right.

513

Yeah.

514

So.

515

All right, mark chapter seven, then

a lot of parallels here, we open with

516

the same thing or the wrong emphasis

again from the Pharisees they're

517

there, they're favoring the tradition

of men over the commands of God.

518

Uh, mark explains the problem.

519

Whereas Matthew assumes

his audience understands.

520

We find that in verses three

and four of mark chapter seven.

521

Where he gives this per

parent medical statement.

522

And so he's, he's explaining why

this issue of not washing your hands.

523

Remember Matthew was written to a Jewish

audience, so he's assuming they would

524

have understood this and known this.

525

Mark is not.

526

So he's giving us the parentheses here

to help us catch up and understand.

527

Thank you, mark.

528

Yeah, I appreciate that.

529

I know you already knew it.

530

Pastor, rod being.

531

I am Jewish.

532

That's right.

533

Um, yeah, but, Thank you for remembering.

534

You're welcome.

535

Yeah.

536

Uh, Boca Tov.

537

Um, anyways, verse 13.

538

Th this is the fearful thing.

539

Thus making void the word of

God by your tradition, man.

540

That is one thing I pray,

never happens at campus.

541

I pray, we never emphasize something

that is human tradition to the.

542

Cost of us obeying God's word.

543

And so we want to be faithful to God's

word, not faithful to what's worked in

544

the past or what our preferences are,

what our desire is, what our gut says.

545

We want to go.

546

What does God's word say?

547

And that's what we want to do.

548

How, how do you, what's our time here?

549

Okay.

550

I'll be quick, quick question.

551

Super fast.

552

Okay.

553

Sometimes we have traditions that

we aren't even aware are traditions.

554

Right.

555

Uh, an applicant, an N specific

application, a specific application.

556

Of scripture where it's like, oh, but this

is how we do what the word of God says.

557

How does someone become aware of a

traditional application of scripture?

558

When scripture might say something.

559

But it may not say exactly how we do that.

560

Something, for instance, in worship,

we have a band, we typically have drums

561

or a Cahone or something like that.

562

And other churches they

would think of no such thing.

563

Their application of scripture

praising the Lord would include.

564

Uh, very minimal instrumentation.

565

Um, and it'd be primarily voices.

566

Their mix is going to sound different

than some churches are going to say, look,

567

we're going to do lights and we're going

to do a fog machine and we're going to do.

568

And all these cool things we're

going to 20 people are on stage.

569

All of them are dancing,

singing the same parts.

570

The application is in their tradition,

how they apply the word that's

571

that's, their application looks

different than our application.

572

How do we know when we're just applying

something from a traditional background?

573

Our background is our application

is informed by our tradition.

574

I think that when we're most, when

we're made aware of it most often

575

is when somebody asks a question,

Hey, why w why do you do this?

576

W like, Why do you do it that way?

577

Yeah.

578

Like, if somebody comes up to you on

Sunday and says, Hey, pastor rod, Why

579

did you have drums on stage to be able

to answer that question in a way that

580

is in accordance with the scriptures

and not just, well, this is what we

581

want or we've always done it this way.

582

Yeah.

583

That's the answer that I hate.

584

And I've been a part of churches

in the past where I've said, Hey,

585

why, why did, why do we do this?

586

And it's, well, we've always done it.

587

And it's like, well, that's

not a good enough answer.

588

We need to know.

589

And I say that with the caveat that.

590

We have to be careful about

the way we question things too.

591

We have to question things in a way

that's, that's helpful and respectful.

592

And humble and teachable to.

593

So that when we get the answer,

we're not going to walk away and

594

go, well, whatever, that's how.

595

Yeah, totally.

596

And I guess that's my fear is that

we're going to go to another church.

597

You know, we're visiting we're out of

town or in Colorado or California and

598

we're visiting another church and they

do it very differently than we do.

599

Right.

600

You're going to say, look, that's

not that that's not biblical.

601

You shouldn't do that.

602

Okay.

603

Let's let's, let's pick on

an easy one fog machine.

604

Yeah.

605

Pick on the five machine for

a second and then explain how

606

we should think about that.

607

We've got to get back to heart motives.

608

We've got to understand what is a.

609

What's a Hilda, Diane, um, the,

the theological triage, the

610

doctrinal triage to know, okay.

611

Is this something that is clearly

black and white sinful or is, this

612

is something that I would say, okay.

613

You know what?

614

I would probably not

choose to worship here.

615

And here's the reasons why

I find this distracting.

616

Um, I find that this doesn't help

me in store my affection for Christ

617

and I have, uh, I have other options

that are strong and solid options for

618

me to go in and worship over here.

619

There's freedom in that there's not a

one size fits all for any, any believer

620

when it comes to a church, you may have

somebody else that, that, that really

621

connects with them and it gets them in

the door and they're not sitting there

622

going, man, this is about entertainment.

623

And the fog machine reminds me that the.

624

People on stage are celebrities.

625

And I feel like I'm at a concert.

626

In a nightclub, right?

627

Yeah.

628

Some people are just like, you know what?

629

This, this, this dust or my affection

for Christ, the atmosphere in, in here.

630

And it's not all about how you

feel, but that's part of it.

631

God made us creatures that have

different senses, and I think worship

632

can involve all of our different senses.

633

And so.

634

That person may walk in

and go, Hey, you know what?

635

This really does help me focus.

636

It helps clear my mind.

637

It helps me not be focused on the drummer

cause I can't see the drummer anymore.

638

It helps me whatever it may be.

639

And so I think we need to allow for

the freedom of different expressions

640

of worship, as long as we can come

back to the scripture and say, you

641

know, this doesn't clearly contradict.

642

We can't get inside the motives of the

person that's behind that decision as to

643

why there's a fog machine or not a fog

machine that's between them and the Lord.

644

And I think that's where

we gotta be careful.

645

We can't apply.

646

Well, anyone who has drums

is of the devil, right?

647

We can't get there because.

648

Or a fog machine.

649

Because that's not, it's not ours

to, to look into somebody's heart to

650

be able to make that judgment call.

651

Yeah, it's really helpful to think

through, because often again, I

652

visited churches where I've gone,

I've heard their sound system like,

653

oh, that's really good sound system.

654

And they, you know, they got a

lot of things that I would be

655

like, oh, should you have that?

656

Is that really necessary?

657

Right.

658

Uh, but it's such a mature response

to say, look, I, I, there's nothing

659

inherently unbiblical about that.

660

Knowing your Bible.

661

Uh, it means knowing that the application

of your Bible is often, there's a

662

lot of, as you use the word freedom

and what that application looks like

663

now, there's unwise and there's wise,

there's a spectrum of those things and

664

it takes a really good, careful Bible

student to be able to say, okay, I can

665

see how they would use it this way.

666

Another church they're

only going to do voices.

667

They don't even have a piano.

668

That's just all voices.

669

And they only sing the Psalms.

670

Right.

671

There are churches like that that

are more conservative than we are.

672

Yeah, or all they're going

to sing is what's in the

673

book of Psalms and that's it.

674

Uh, obviously we're okay

with a new song to the Lord.

675

That's all I'm saying.

676

Yeah, no, but still we're not

going to call them anathema.

677

They're not applying the Bible or

we're not going to look at the, are the

678

neighbors down the block who are far more.

679

I don't want to be.

680

Uh, less conservative.

681

It's just all that.

682

The less conservative.

683

Oh, they're not at the Lord either.

684

Uh, To your point, man.

685

The Lord calls people at different stages.

686

And I trust his God grows his people.

687

They're going to come to a place

where he's going to move them to

688

the right church for their growth,

for their progress in the faith.

689

And we're going to trust

them to do it at his time.

690

Yeah.

691

Like if you, you don't want to pull

into the parking lot on Sunday morning

692

to have somebody getting out of the

car next to you in a car that's 10

693

years older than the model that you're

driving, judging you, because they feel

694

like you've wasted your money on a car

that otherwise you could have bought

695

a cheaper car and given that money

away to, to missions and yeah, you.

696

And it's, it's, it's different,

but it's the same in a lot of ways.

697

It's we're reading into other people

what their motives are when we have

698

no idea what their story is, why

they have that car, how they got

699

that car, what their income is,

how much they give away to other

700

resources in the church and missions.

701

Yeah.

702

And, and so we get, we just have to check

ourselves and be careful on that stuff.

703

So we record, we record ourselves.

704

Yeah, I didn't go there,

but I was thinking.

705

Alright, rest of mark

seven heart problems.

706

We've we've dealt with this.

707

The heart of the issue is the heart issue.

708

Interestingly, this is Peter's

interpreter, mark mark seven 19.

709

Thus, he declared all foods clean.

710

Matthew didn't record that Peter does.

711

Peter is also the one on the

rooftop right before he goes to two.

712

Uh, talk to Cornelius in acts chapter

10, that sees the vision of the sheet

713

coming down with the unclean foods.

714

Where Jesus says, arise, kill and eat.

715

And so here, Peter through mark

makes this commentary, does

716

he declared all foods clean?

717

It seems like Peter's reflecting

all the way back here going man.

718

That was true already.

719

Like I could have been

having support chops.

720

Earlier than I did.

721

It could have been eaten, pulled

pork and baby back ribs and

722

everything, but interesting there

in the heart problems issue.

723

Gentile faith again.

724

Mark calls her the

Sierra Phoenician woman.

725

Uh, Matthew, the Canaanite

woman, same interaction here.

726

Um, mark doesn't record that Jesus

committed her faith is as great.

727

He just simply kind of records

Jesus saying, Hey, may it be

728

done for you as you, you wish.

729

Or as you ask, go your way, the

demon has left your daughter, but.

730

It doesn't commend her faith.

731

Whereas Matthew does.

732

Interesting.

733

I don't know why.

734

Uh, just something in the parallel

counts there to, to point out.

735

And then we get a unique, uh, miracle here

in mark chapter seven, verses 31 through

736

37, which is the deaf and dumb man.

737

Uh, not fully done, but at least

a significant speech impediment,

738

which you would assume somebody

being deaf would have a difficulty.

739

In speaking and speaking clearly.

740

Um, and so he opens

the ears and the mouth.

741

And so this, I think anticipates the

opening of the ears and the mouth to

742

confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to

hear the gospel, to respond in faith

743

and then to speak and confess Christ

as Lord into, and to take that message.

744

To the last, so, uh, this miracle here

does seem to be part of the healing that

745

brought the crowds that he's going to

feed the feeding of the 4,000 and mark

746

is going to happen in chapter eight.

747

But this is one of those miracles

that causes people to say, Hey, we

748

got to go here from this Jesus guy.

749

Is this also in Gentile

territory, it seems like this is

750

potentially that situation is.

751

Returned from the region of tire and

went through Sidon to the sea of Galilee.

752

The region and the region.

753

The capitalist.

754

So he's on the other side of the Jordan.

755

Yup.

756

And typical Gentile territory.

757

Should we understand this to be a

Gen-X another Gentile that's healed?

758

I think so.

759

Yeah.

760

The capitalist was a largely

Gentile popular, right?

761

Federation and multiple cities

that are largely Gentile.

762

So it seems like this is potentially.

763

Either a Gentile or a Jew

who's in Gentile territory.

764

The reason I say that is

because he uses Aramaic F FSI.

765

Um,

766

and that, that would have been a, a

Jewish dialect, uh, of the Hebrew.

767

So why is he using that?

768

Is it, is it a gentle possibly, but.

769

Maybe it's a Jew and Gentile territory,

which is why he uses that word.

770

And by the way, He's also, if

he's, if he's hard of hearing,

771

why would he say that to him?

772

Who knows.

773

Maybe he could see it with

read the lips and understand

774

that Jesus is saying be opened.

775

Uh, or he's saying it for the

benefit of the crowd who are hearing

776

him and understanding that Jesus

is by, by right of his speech,

777

commanding something to exist.

778

And that of course goes right

to Genesis chapter one or

779

only God himself can do that.

780

Jesus has commanding hearing to take

place and that's what exactly takes place.

781

So this is a really cool

environment that we're seeing.

782

And my only point here to tie a bow around

this is to make certain that you're saying

783

that this is probably a lot of Gentile

interaction for the purposes of pointing

784

us to what's going to happen later on.

785

Yeah.

786

Yeah.

787

I've always thought he's talking

two years Is that our Def as the

788

load of creation, he's speaking

to the components of the ear.

789

And by speaking to those components,

he's undoing the curse of the fall

790

that left them deaf and causing

the, the, the cellular activity, the

791

cellular level to, to heal itself.

792

By Jesus' words, going to the, the

actual organs of the man's body.

793

I don't think he's speaking to

the man's intellect or brain

794

or capacity or awareness.

795

I think he's commanding creation.

796

This is the Lord of the universe

telling creation to do something and

797

it's doing it, which is pretty cool.

798

Yeah.

799

It's, it's interesting to think about.

800

I intellectually, what would that be like?

801

Yeah.

802

If you were to kind of slice the guy's

head open and watch what's taking place

803

as he's speaking it, what would that be?

804

Yeah.

805

It'd be amazing to be hold that.

806

Yeah.

807

I mean, I can't wait.

808

Maybe someday I'll have a

chance to see them like that.

809

We're talking about that this

Sunday, because we're going to talk

810

about one of our points is about

always being a student of God.

811

And just pondering the things

that, that caused us to get what,

812

oh, there's plenty of things, man.

813

For as much as we know, as, as a

society of people that a global society.

814

Yeah.

815

There are so many things that we don't.

816

I mean, I was just talking last night to

the students about what's in a black hole.

817

Yeah.

818

Like, what on earth is happening?

819

That question came up this morning.

820

I'm driving Josh to school.

821

He's like, dad, do you think there's

something spiritual about a black hole?

822

I'm like, where did that even come from?

823

And thank you.

824

I appreciate my.

825

We don't know what.

826

We don't know what's in there.

827

Right.

828

I was making the point that if you

were, if you were to send a laser

829

that the strongest concentration of

light past a black hole, it couldn't

830

make it past because the energy

is so dense, it would suck it in.

831

And where that light goes, we don't know.

832

Right.

833

Like what's happening to it.

834

We don't know.

835

Right.

836

It's so fascinating.

837

So I made the point that the black hole

is a, is a foretaste of the glory of God.

838

It's this infinite thing that.

839

Now our minds, infinite, it's massive.

840

It's infinite.

841

And I said, Jesus.

842

Glory is like 10 billion black holes.

843

Coalesced into one that perfectly

displays the beauty and glory of God.

844

I was talking about the goodness of Jesus.

845

And how beautiful and glorious he is.

846

And yeah.

847

Um, if we can look at creation and be.

848

Odd and inspired by comments, which

have you seen the comment lately?

849

I mean, I've seen pictures of it.

850

I mean, yeah, if it could be odd

by then just the moon this morning.

851

The moon, it was like, I

punched you in the face.

852

Bright and that's.

853

We can look at that.

854

And forget.

855

Uh, that that looks toward Jesus.

856

That's a reflection of Jesus glory.

857

So that's all I was trying to get at.

858

Gotcha.

859

Black hole reflects Jesus' glory.

860

Fair enough, man.

861

Yeah, I was talking with

somebody this morning about what?

862

Like, what are, what are kids

going to look like in heaven?

863

Like.

864

I don't know.

865

I don't know.

866

Adults also Jesus being fully God.

867

Is on.

868

Omnipresent because that's

an attribute of God.

869

And yet he especially confined

to the right hand of the father.

870

How does that work?

871

Well, I would say it's only possible

because of the spirit, right to the father

872

centered spirit or inter oh, Just to go.

873

Does the kenosis continue still today?

874

Is he still availed in some regard,

because he's choosing to be spatially

875

limited at the right hand of the

father when he needs he's glorified.

876

He's the first fruits of,

of the re renewed creation.

877

So he's maximally glorified, right?

878

In a physical body.

879

Yes.

880

Which he'll share with us.

881

So he's always going to be

spent here's here's a question.

882

Um, what prevents, oh, no, I think

you've answered this recently.

883

Maybe if it's a rehearsed or if it's

a question I've already asked you,

884

please just give us a short answer.

885

What guarantees that we'll never

lose our salvation in heaven.

886

If perfection could lose perfection,

I E the devil, Adam and Eve.

887

What prevents the Christian

from losing perfection.

888

The, the continual protection of

our, our salvation by Christ that

889

we've been given to the son and

the son will never cast us out.

890

And that includes into eternity.

891

So I thank you for clarifying that

you appreciate John John chapter 14.

892

Um, and, and the role there.

893

My sermon back at me.

894

Okay.

895

Well, no, I'm trying to

clarify the role of the spirit.

896

Yeah.

897

Does the spirit remain with us forever?

898

Cause it, cause if you're talking about

Jesus keeps us, I believe that, right?

899

The question is then by what

method or medium does he keep us?

900

And I'm thinking, it

seems like it's a spirit.

901

If he stays with us forever,

that is for all eternity.

902

Then that, that would say that's the

qualitative difference between Adam and

903

Eve, the devil and us that, and I think

our glorified bodies are prepared in such

904

a way that they're they're sinless, that

the glorified state that we exist in is,

905

is the fallen nature is removed from us.

906

And so there is no ability.

907

There is no inclination

anymore towards sin.

908

Adam and Eve are falling though.

909

They weren't, but it

was, there was a devil.

910

But there's a difference between

our glorified states and who

911

Adam and Eve were created to be.

912

I think there's a perfected reality

wherein there is no potential for sin.

913

It's the Peck ability.

914

Impeccability I don't think any

eternity that we're going to even

915

have the potential or capability

of sending anymore because of the

916

restoration in the glorification.

917

Of our, our souls and

our bodies at that point.

918

So now it'd be comfortable saying yes

and amen, because of the ministry of the

919

spirit, which would continue with us.

920

If I, cause I, I don't, I don't

put my trust in the flesh.

921

I granted it.

922

There's something about glorification

that I don't, I don't know yet.

923

But I could say, okay.

924

I could understand and conceive

of the spirits, preserving work,

925

continuing with us and thereby

maintaining that impeccability.

926

Yeah.

927

Well, we'll see.

928

Yeah.

929

Anyways, we'll talk a little bit

about that on a Sunday morning.

930

So let's get tomorrow anyways.

931

Uh, Hey, let's pray.

932

We thank you for another episode of the

daily Bible podcast, we are grateful

933

to be able to do this and have the

resources to be able to do it, the

934

technology, to be able to do this.

935

And we do trust you.

936

We, we, we do, as we were talking

about the very beginning of this

937

episode, like four hours ago.

938

Um, that you are sovereign in, that you

are in control of all of these things.

939

And we want to be faithful to what you've

called us to do, help us to have the

940

wisdom, to know what that looks like.

941

And I know that that's going to

look different for each family

942

that listens to this and each

family that's part of our church.

943

But God, I just want us to make sure

that we're, we're doing the work that

944

you call us to do when you return for us.

945

And, uh, and we want

to be faithful to that.

946

So help us do that.

947

We pray in Jesus name.

948

Amen.

949

Are you guys keeping your Bibles and tune

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950

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