Welcome to another episode of ADHD-ish!

Today, host Diann Wingert is joined by psychologist and viral TikTok creator Dr. Dante for a raw, insightful look at the "Neurodivergent Edge"—how ADHD traits transform not just personal relationships but entrepreneurial success.

In this conversation, Dr. Dante shares the story behind his celebrated term "neuro baddies," celebrating the honesty, intensity, and creativity that neurodivergent women bring to the table.

Together, Diann & Dante explore why society’s negative perceptions of ADHD traits miss the mark, how trauma bonds form, and how rejection sensitivity and perfectionism can be reframed as superpowers in both love and business.

You’ll hear candid stories, hard-hitting truths about justice sensitivity, and practical wisdom on breaking free from toxic relationships—plus, a message for neurodivergent women struggling with self-acceptance.

If you’ve ever wondered how your different way of thinking can be your biggest asset, this episode will inspire you to name it, claim it, and embrace the title of“neuro baddie” proudly.

What’s Inside This Episode?

Here are 5 keys you’ll learn in today’s convo:

1. The Origin of "Neurobaddies": How a spontaneous ADHD thought in the grocery store parking lot became a viral, empowering movement for neurodivergent women.
2. Why Neurodivergent Women Make Amazing Partners: Honesty, hyperfocus, and genuineness—discover why these traits are actually super attractive (not quirks to hide!).
3. The Narcissist Trap: Neurodivergent traits can make women more vulnerable to toxic relationships, but knowing the signs gives you real power to protect yourself.
4. Entrepreneurial Superpowers: How “all-in” energy, justice sensitivity, and relentless action drive success in business (yep, your ADHD traits are an asset!).
5. Healing Starts With Self-Trust: Why learning to trust yourself is the real game-changer, despite years of negative feedback.

Guest Bio:

Dante Assad Williams, PsyD (Dr Dante) is a Minneapolis-based psychologist, adjunct professor, entrepreneur, and social media influencer who highlights the unique strengths of neurodivergent women in relationships and in business.

With lived experience as a neurodivergent (ADHD) man, and a viral TikTok following built on his unapologetic appreciation for "neuro baddies," Dr. Dante brings authenticity, deep understanding, and hope to every conversation about mental health, relationships, and business. His body of work is centered on neurodivergence, trauma, and holistic masculinity.

Connect with Dr Dante:

TikTok - Instagram - 5 Keys to Know if You’re a Neurobaddie

Fun Fact from the Episode:

Dr. Dante named “neurobaddies” on a whim in a 10-second TikTok video? He didn’t expect it to go viral—but now, it’s a movement with merch on the way! (Yes, T-shirts are coming!)

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© 2025 ADHD-ish Podcast. Intro music by Ishan Dincer / Melody Loops / Outro music by Vladimir / Bobi Music / All rights reserved.

H: Like so many of my favorite guests, you and I have already been having way too much fun and I'm already filled with regret that I didn't push record sooner. But let's bring the listeners into this conversation that we've been sharing. I found you a few months ago on TikTok was immediately smitten with everything that you had to say about how you appreciate neurodivergent women. You call them neuro baddies and as a psychologist, they're not only clients, they're friends, they've been lovers. And you really have an exquisite appreciation for women who are neurodivergent. So let's talk about the origin story of neurobaddies.

G: Yeah, appreciate that. So I was sitting in my, like most ADHD things, right? I'm sitting in my car, about to walk into the grocery store and I had this random thought, I was reflecting. I'm like, you know, some of the best relationships I have ever been in were neurodiverse women. And I was just thinking about like, and then I started naming like characteristics in my mind. Like they were so honest, like I knew exactly what they were thinking.

There was no guessing games and for me as a neurodiverse, like man with ADHD, like I miss social cues, I miss all that, right? Sometimes so to have someone that's honest and forthright like that, who like hyper focus and hyper fixate on things that I like and be interested in that, it was just such a cool thing.

So I'm like, let me record this video really quick. So it's a 10 second video clip, I pull it up, I'm like, you know what? Neurodiverse women are the best. I call them neuro baddies and the way that it works is that oftentimes we were talking a little bit about this earlier. Like oftentimes men look at women for their appearance first and primary, unfortunately. But the reason I call it neuro baddie is the neuro part is the most attractive part. First, all of the things that make someone unique.

The second piece, then we acknowledge the physical beauty. But again like putting onus on the fact of like being neurodiverse is attractive and they make the best partners. So I post this video online. It went like semi viral that from that point it's just been growing ever since. But I'm just glad that that random ADHD thought has been so helpful to many people.

H: Well, something that I really, really appreciate about you, Dr. Dante, is that you trust yourself, you trust your intuition, you trust your instincts. And you're willing to try things and make mistakes. And I think that for, because we're both entrepreneurial individuals with ADHD traits, both mental health background, I think learning how to reconnect with our ability to trust ourself is probably the healing journey that most neurodivergent women need most of all.

Because this is something we talked about earlier. You know, we grow up as kids and we know we're different. We may not be able to put our finger on it, but we know we're different. You know, like you say, we miss social cues, we have a hard time sitting still, we might blurt things out, we might be much more eager than other kids, we have a harder time falling asleep. What all the different reasons and usually in childhood we get a lot of negative feedback from well meaning people.

G: Yep.

H: About those traits that we really can't help. So we internalize a lot of negative thoughts about ourself and those things just tend to accumulate over time. Now somebody's 25, 35, 55 years old, they're scrolling TikTok and here you are saying I think neuro baddies are the finest women out there. They are the most trustworthy, they're the most honest, they're the most, you know, they mean what they say, they say what they mean, they have no pretense and they're thinking, who the hell is this guy? Is he trying to manipulate me? Is he trying to con me?

What kind of game is this motherfucker running here? Like you know, has anybody questioned, have you ever gave me that in the comments? Because I'm pretty sure that was one of the first videos of yours that I saw was that very video. And I didn't know that was when you first did what I call name it and claim it. Like it was literally just a thought and you decided to share it, but you trusted yourself to share it.

G: Yeah, I have gotten some like comments and like messages from people of like this. Like I don't think this person is genuinely saying what he's meaning because how could it be me when I've experienced such negative messaging towards me from past partners and past people in my life.

H: Yeah.

G: Few if any man has told me that all of the traits outside of the physical piece, all the traits about who I am was not viewed as good. In fact, it was viewed as very negative. So then it's like, don't tell me something good and then you know, bait and switch me, you know, you know.

H: Right and also, you know, to your point, I think I've gotten tons of negative feedback over my lifetime. I've accomplished a lot of things, I've been successful, I'm high functioning. But I've gotten a lot of negative feedback and I would say 90% of the time it is directed towards my neurodivergent traits. And those traits have been called obnoxious. Those traits have been called annoying. I've been accused of being self absorbed.

Well what do we call self absorbed? It is hyper focused. When you are so focused on something that your partner walks in the room and says, hey, can you do, you know, pick up some milk on the way home? And you're like yeah, I got it because you just want them to go away because you're in your hyper focus. That conversation never happened.

G: Exactly.

H: There no milk coming home with you and then they think that bitch doesn't listen to me, she is only thinking about her damn self. And you're so hurt and confused because if you even remember the conversation and then you say, well how about if we just. Could you just put it on a notepad or could you put it on the whiteboard in the. Why do you have to be so difficult? So I think that is the experience of most neurodivergent women is the very traits that are related to our neurodivergence that we get negative feedback about.

So you come along and you're like, as a matter of fact, I find those traits to be the most delightful. I find those traits to be value adds and preferences. I can imagine why some women would think you're trying to con them or you're trying to get them to lower their guard so that you can ba bam, I fooled you, you know.

G: Yep, yep, yep. I think there's a reluctancy to finally have hope that there's possibility that there are people and men that will see them that way. It seems still like a dream and still so far fetched. And so why believe in a dream so you fight against it. It's not about like I've noticed is like same thing with like therapy. When that counter transference happens. It has nothing to do with me really, but it's what in this moment that that person is externalizing onto me as the conduit.

H: Yes, right.

G: And so if they feel like that, my way I respond back to that is not through like anger or frustration. It's more like a curiosity of like hey, one, I appreciate you just saying that and two, like can you tell me more about why you feel and think like that, if you wouldn't mind. Maybe I could be wrong in my messaging so I'm open to hearing that. But most times it's not necessarily that. It's like the unresolved things that has happened to them that's now showing up when they finally hear messaging that they've always wanted to hear from a stranger online.

H: You're absolutely right. And I think you're bringing up a point that is something I hear all the time with my clients and certainly think about myself is that because we're more emotional, our emotions can be triggered more easily and we can get high, we can get low, we might stay there longer than we like to. I like to say our emotions are more buoyant. Other people who are being less charitable would say we're more easily dysregulated. You know, we have rejection sensitivity issues and so forth. But I notice, I think this is what you're speaking to, how often we will hold ourselves back from something that is appealing to us because we don't want to be disappointed because we take that so hard.

G: Yeah. We try our best in everything.

H: Yeah.

G: And when it's not enough.

H: Yes. And I'll tell you, it's funny that you're saying that because you know that I work with entrepreneurs and let's say somebody has got a job and they're building their business on the side. And so I'm telling them you need to dial down on the fact that you over deliver at your job so you can conserve some of your energy. You can conserve some of your capacity so that you actually have something at the end of the day and maybe on a weekend to devote to your business.

And you know what they tell me, I'm sure you can guess, I can't do that. It's like I refer to it as being full ass or no ass. We can't half ass anything. If we're in it of we care enough to show up, we're going to do it to the best of our ability and that's going to be over deliver. And, and I think it's not just because we tend to think we're constantly doing relationship management. We're constantly trying to prove yourself.

G: Yeah.

H: But also we need a lot of stimulation. So we over deliver because we need the stimulation that goes with over delivering. Not only because we may also be perfectionists and people pleasers. That's part of it but we need the stimulation that comes from over delivering. So this idea that I'm not going to be all in wherever I am so I can save something for later. That's a hard sell for somebody like us.

G: Yeah. I think they have to realize that long term though, right. For them to optimally be in the environment that they know is conducive for them. And also too like this exploitation is bound to happen with that type of dynamic right. Because we're seeking that fix, that dopamine fix and we're seeking this new interest and we like taking on additional things because we. The thing that we hate like I prefer to be overworked than bored.

H: Yes. Listen, I always say I treat boredom like a life threatening condition. Like I will do anything to avoid low boredom threshold, lower low boredom tolerance. I will blow shit up just to avoid being bored. And I didn't realize that about myself for so many years. I thought I was just reckless and self sabotaging, but I realized no, I really cannot tolerate boredom, I can not.

G: Yeah, I think like for that particular person that has a hard time like letting the concept of like all or nothing in work kind of shift that dynamic in how they're seeing themselves and that place of employment, there's a reason that they're wanting to leave to begin with. So that's part one right. Like this isn’t we don't give our best to things that aren't deserving of our best. But if you're doing something for yourself that is your business, then you want to do that best. But if you're tired, exhausted by the time you get to the end of the day, you can't. You're actually not even giving best effort in both spaces. You're just telling yourself you are because you're exhausted.

H: True and you end up having very little at the end of the day. So you give your best at work. And maybe you don't even like the place. Maybe you're one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel, but you are using yourself up there with who gets the leftovers, if there even are any. The people that matter most, your friends and family.

G: Exactly.

H: They get the leftovers, if there is even anything left over.

G: Exactly. So the job that you don't like.

H: Yes. Yep, now you are a very smart young man and you are very self aware and you have wholeheartedly embraced your neurodivergence. But you didn't grow up knowing that you had ADHD. What were you told as a little boy? Because you knew you were different but what did you make of that would you make it mean and how did you figure it all out?

H: You want to be one of them?

G: You know, I'll be well, she'll show up at school, misbehavior was nothing that. So you learn kind of like bot you, you figure out body regulation strategies as a kid to sit still so you're not having those types of experiences. But I still, I'm both hyperactive and inattentive at times. So it's like that's I got the cocktail, the dual cocktail.

H: Honestly, I think we make the best entrepreneurs. The combined time I clocked you as combined type. The first video I saw of yours on, on TikTok, I'm like, yeah, he's combined because you got to have enough hyperactivity and impulsivity to have a propensity to act. Can't sit and think and think and think and overthink and research and second guess and ruminate and analysis paralysis. You need to move, you need to act.

So what that means is you are going to make decisions more quickly and you're going to act on those decisions more quickly and at least half of them aren't going to work out. So you're going to become resilient and fail your way to success. I am much, I think we are much better off with combined type than strictly hyperactive, impulsive because those are the naughty kids.

Those are the kids who get in all kinds of trouble because they literally cannot keep their motherfucking hands to themselves. But the overthinkers, second guessers, perfectionists, procrastinators, the ones who are so in their heads they don't have any physical hyperactivity at all. I think they struggle the most because they can't get out of their heads to take action that might work out. And I think you've seen this mostly with women too. Don't most of the women that you've connected with have more the inattentive, distractible type?

G: Correct. Yeah and they end up staying kind of stuck and dormant even in relationship as well.

H: Say more about that, say more about that.

G: So they could know that they're In a bad relationship with someone right. They pick the patterns up probably right away. Hope is one of the best tools that women have, but it's one of the worst tools that will work against them if they give hope to something that doesn't deserve it.

H: True.

G: So they have this hope that my partner, with my support can become what I need them to be. So then they be so then winds up happening though is there's this like kind of pre contemplative state of like do I leave, do I stay? So they end up in that pre contemplation. What you're really saying is I'm going to stay and then you stay way too long.

H: Oh, I haven't heard it said that way before. So when you are thinking your way through that, do I stay or do I go? You think that you're making a decision. You think that you're making progress towards a decision. But what you're saying is that that's a decision to stay. How is that so from a neuropsychiatric or neuropsychological perspective, what's going on in the brain.

G: I think what's happening is that it's a self soothing strategy to make them feel like they're regaining control. Like you're wrestling with that in yourself, thinking through it within yourself. But the problem is, is that abusive person still has the same level of access to you as he did three months ago before you even had that thought. The access level has never changed. You haven't done anything but you self soothed yourself to think and rationalize your way through it. Like I don't, I know I don't deserve this, I should do this and this like you formulated a plan of departure.

H: Yeah.

G: But has never done the plan of departure, months have gone by.

H: Maybe years.

G: Right and for the narcissist person, they benefit off of that because they're again controlling the narrative and controlling the access part. So like just thinking about leaving doesn't lead me to need doesn't lead to leaving.

H: I'm literally kind of I am very rarely rendered speechless and you, my friend, delivered the goods. I did not know if we were going to bring up the topic of narcissism in this conversation because there's so, there's so many directions we could go. And I know that that is an area of interest and experience that you and I both share. And I think let's go ahead and go there because I think I know that we both share the belief and the observation that narcissistic personalities, toxic personalities, manipulative, controlling, abusive personalities tend to infiltrate and insinuate themselves into the lives of neurodivergent women with great regularity.

And there's a unique combination of traits that neurodivergent women have that I think make them not that I don't think narcissistic, I don't think women, neurodivergent women attract narcissistic personalities because that makes them responsible for their own suffering. I think narcissistic personalities are attracted to the traits and qualities that neurodivergent women have and then once the woman is ensnared in that kind of, you know, like you're in the spider web.

G: Yep.

H: It's hard for you to get out. Let's unpack that from your perspective.

G: Yeah, they are it's a predatory type of behavior. It's a predatory type behavior because the narcissist the whole classical foundation of it is a deep sense of self hatred.

H: Yeah.

G: So they have to constantly seek out sources of validation. So for the hyper focused neurodiverse woman who is coming into an interaction with a pure heart, was excited dopamine's going like, it's great like they’re in this man is painting this picture out to them. This, that and the other, it's enticing. So to have someone that's paying so much attention and being mindful of you validates the narcissist.

H: Yeah.

G: They got the ultimate, you know, source of the drug that they need. So they want that person and they need that person they have to control that person. So the woman that's engaging in this and I also think too, like we, again, the only we do it or we don't do it at all. In many contexts that could be great but in relationship that could also be harmful. Because if there's certain safe fellows that people should have in terms of access. Like if you're prone to over sharing as a woman and you overshare with a narcissist, you're basically giving them the playbook to fuck you over.

H: So true. And we do have a tendency to overshare, don't we?

G: Yep.

H: On the regular, because we love those, not all of us are extroverted, but for those of us who are, people are our favorite source of dopamine.

G: Yeah.

H: Someone we connect with them, we're excited. We love anything new and shiny. The relationship is nothing but pure potential. We haven't fucked it up yet, we haven't spoiled it. They haven't done anything to piss us off or offend us. It's pure possibility and so we're just in the moment. We're getting all kinds of high quality dopamine flowing, and it's like, oh, we start telling them all kinds of things, and they're just hanging on our every word. And maybe they're sharing their shit too. And you can form really, really powerful connections quickly, but in the case of a narcissist, this person is not your soulmate. You are literally crafting a trauma bond when you think you've just met your soulmate.

G: Yep. Yep. And it's hard to like, once the hyper fixation is there, it's hard to break away from that. It's difficult. It almost could feel like it's wrong to do that. And then if the narcissist is, you know, and again, we're set up, it's a perfect setup, perfect storm. Because inattentive or hyperactive presentations of ADHD in women have constantly to have to learn and observe everyone else around them. Primarily, they're not considering, how am I showing up authentically in this space, the program to be like, I have to constantly observe who and what's around me so I'm light and I can fit.

H: Who do I need to be for this situation.

G: Correct. So then what happens? Happening is the narrative of the narcissist now and that's how they hijack. They have to hijack narratives. They have to make you think that you're not saying and believing you're thinking and saying so because you're already prone to start considering other people and considering the environment. It's literally already the red carpets laid out for them to do that to them. And again, it's hard to walk away from that.

You know, that's why I started creating content, talking about that, because I keep hearing women's perspective of like, I was with the narcissist. I was with the narcissist. I'm like, well, I've had like 50 comments of women say they've been with narcissists so there's something to that. But we don't talk about like, this is the perfect matchup of fuckery to happen.

H: I agree with you a thousand percent, Doctor. I think it's been my observation, I've heard from so many clients. First when I was a therapist, and later as a coach. The number of women with ADHD who are in some form of a relationship with a narcissist and sometimes like a series of them, then they start to think, oh, that's my type and the trap is they blame themselves. And I'll tell you, I've had only one non five-star review on this podcast.

I've had one star review and it was when I released an episode about do women with ADHD attract narcissists. And I interviewed another psychologist who's an expert on narcissistic behavior. Sadly, she's since passed away but I released that episode and this person heard that and just thought I was absolutely full of shit and gave me a one-star review. But I'll tell you what, I am not backing down from this because I have seen it, you have seen it, and I think you're 100% right, that we have this mindset of ourself that we can't really trust ourselves, we can't really rely on our own perception of things.

So when we have this person who's insinuated themselves into our life, and at first they make us think, you know, the perfect partner. And little by little by little they dismantle that and they start to devalue us and they start to criticize us and they start to withhold affection and they start to ignore us and neglect us and all that. And we keep thinking, well, I just need to fix myself. I just need to stop being annoying.

I need to get back to how I was when he fell in love with me. It's a trap. You can't get back to it because it was never real from the beginning. But I think we've been primed for that from childhood because of all the ways that we've been told you're not doing it right. And you, there's a problem, you have a problem, you have a disorder, you got to fix that shit up. When you first started realizing that you were different and you were years away from getting diagnosed with ADHD, you didn't get diagnosed until your mid-20s in grad school. What did you make it mean that you weren't like other kids? That you think you were lazy but you're smart.

G: The thing is, like, I didn't know I was smart because I was comparing myself to neurotypical minded kids. And so when you're comparing yourself to that and you're looking at your test Score like it's hard for me to sit still, let alone take a standardized test right. So that impacts, you know, also the fact that like sheer bordom, I'm like, I'm not interested in this standardized test. I don't care. I just want to be done.

H: Yes.

G: So you don't show up. But then if you ask me to like, find a topic of interest that's super exciting, well, my eyes light up, I get super just focused in. And I can explain everything to you about this topic, right? And so I think for me I processed it as if, like I was dumb. I process it as if I was lazy. And I processed it as if, like I didn't belong. And so those three components when I, you know, it wasn't until I got to like college, my first like, and I was a horrible college student at first, thank God I went to community college and they were gracious enough to let me come back. I was academically on probation and suspended several times.

H: And here you are in your big ass age of 35 with a motherfucking doctorate.

G: It started with like, liberating myself from feeling like I had to learn a particular type of way. I took my first, my only class I got A in was psychology because I was interested in it. And then I got A in every psychology since then. I gotten some B's in like statistics. Most of my classes I was pulling A's, you know, and I was like, whoa, I'm not like, I got an 8 over that kid over there. I'm like, wait, what? Then I started to kind of view myself a little bit differently then, you know.

H: But you know what? I think what's one of the things that's really interesting and fascinating about your story is that even if you thought you were dumb, even if you thought you were lazy, even if you thought that you couldn't do it things the right way, you have a really good, healthy sense of your self, Dante. You have a really good core self esteem. So all of those doubts about who you are and what you could do and whether you're okay and whether you're enough and whether you belong and all that. Yeah, I'm not saying that those are not legitimate struggles. I'm not saying you didn't suffer, I know you did. But somewhere in your core, you just carried on. You kept trying different things. You just kept, you know, living your life and figuring it out. What do you think? How is that possible?

G: Like, that's a great question. Because I am a person that if I don't, I'd rather say, I tried it and tried it all the way through. And I think I credit that to some of that manure diversity piece of like, either I'm in it or I'm not in it. So I'm in it so I'm like, I might not do it right. I'm gonna keep going and so that act of, like, failing forward, you start to actually learn your rhythm and stride. And then you start to realize that the way that you talk about yourself and the way other people talked about you was inaccurate.

You're forced to have to, like, deal with, like, just the incongruent stories that you tell yourself. Because I'm like, I'm not dumb if I'm getting an A and then particularly like doing, like, my therapy work, it's like, oh, I'm not a shitty therapist. I'm a legit therapist. I'm like, legitly good at what I like, like what I'm doing. I'm like, oh, wow like, I didn't know that. So I think there's a part of me that still had this belief in myself just to keep going forward and just to keep moving, despite me not knowing what the outcome might look like. And then you get the outcome and then you're like, oh, wow, like, I did this.

H: Actually, I think the hyperactivity helps a little bit too, because if you think about it, if you can't sit still, you're gonna be moving. So if you just keep moving, you probably have a better chance of getting somewhere and not being able to just sit and stew and fret and worry and feel shitty. It's like, I think this propensity for action probably really helped you. And did you have a person in your young life that really believed you because we now understand that ADHD is genetic and you're not ground zero.

G: Yeah.

H: You got it from somebody. So you were raised around at least one somebody who had it. Have you sort of let other people in the family kind of know and have other people in your family chosen to be diagnosed by following in your example?

G: Yeah. So I have to credit my cousin. My cousin is a blue-collar worker who has his own, like, landscaping, lawn care business. Again, entrepreneurial minded, autism, ADHD, right. But one day we're talking, he's like, Dante, I think a lot of us in the family, man, I think we either have ADHD or autism. Now, this is like his, like, doctor cousin. I'm like, nah, man. Nah, there's no way. Nah, there's no way. And then I started looking at my behavior, and I start looking at my son's behavior, and I'm like, oh shit, a lot of us are probably undiagnosed.

H: Yeah.

G: Either with autism, ADHD, or a combination of both. But we all are very unique people, though. We all hyper focus and hyper that my cousin particularly, like, he can fix and do it. Like, he's one of the people who's mechanically inclined, right.

H: Yes.

G: My mom's the same way. She's got undiagnosed ADHD. I love you, mom, but she has ADHD.

H: Make sure she's listening. We love you, mom.

G: Yeah, love you, mom.

H: She should get your five what is it? Five keys to know if you're a neuro baddie. Have you given her?

G: Yeah, yeah. My mom's like, oh, I am a baddie. Yes, you are, Mom.

H: Have you dropped your merch yet? Because I'm waiting to order the freaking T shirt.

G: I'm working on.

H: We need the T shirt.

G: You know, I'm working on it. I'm gonna in the process of just getting the logo and all that stuff going, so to, like, own, like, yeah, y' all are neuro baddies like, and there's a community here. Like, it's less about me, I'm just the conduit, I feel like but it's about the messaging and it's about offering a counter perspective instead of this negative piece of, like, as a man. As a man who is I'm uncomfortable saying, but a man who's a conventionally attractive man to say, oh, you're gorgeous because you're a neurodiverse woman.

H: It is. It kind of breaks your brain a little bit. And you're right it introduces hopefulness into the conversation. It creates safety, and it's an invitation to a different perspective that starts the process. But fundamentally, you and I both know we have to accept ourselves because even and I mean, it really it comes down to that. You can invite neurobaddies to accept themselves. I invite people to accept themselves. But ultimately, it's an inside job.

It's a personal choice, and somebody has to say, you know what? I really like what he has to say. It makes a lot of sense. I do feel better when I think about myself that way, and I think I'm ready to name it and claim it, because in truth, no neurotypical person's ever going to be able to give you permission to do that. And even another neurodivergent person, they can encourage you, they can invite you, they can support you, but you really have to get to the point where you say, you know what? I am different. I have a different narrative about that now and I'm good.

G: Yeah.

H: And they get T shirts. You can let other people know and like minded and like brained people can find each other.

G: Yeah. And then it's hard for, you know, opposition or like narcissist or whatever that the, you know, the negative force is coming against you. When you're in community and you're resourced together, the wolf comes to get the sheep that's alone, the wolf can't get the entire pack right.

H: Oh, yeah. I'm just, I was just thinking of a whole bunch of stories that could be told like a fairy tale, but for grownups because you just the whole wolf, I'm just picturing like a whole little red baddy hood. Hey, listen, I promised I wasn't going to keep you here all day. We already had a whole lot of interesting conversation before we started recording. And I promised, I wanted to ask you this question because even though you are currently working under someone else, until you're fully licensed, you are destined to be on your own in private practice.

And you're building a vibrant community on TikTok. I'm going to link to all the ways that people can find you, follow you, connect with you, learn from you. What is the one thing and I'm probably going to ask you for one you're going to give me 10. In true ADHD fashion, I'm here for it. What is the one trait that you have, Dr. Dante, that you'd say, yeah, this is an entrepreneurial trait and I have my ADHD to thank for it what would that mean?

G: Yeah, I think it's my aspect of justice.

H: Preach.

G: Yeah. Because I mean what I say and I say what I mean. I deliver on what I said I was going to do. Particularly, like, when it comes to, like, business, I don't. There's a lot of, you know, we see a lot of like bad models of bad business and I just, I just can't. There's a part of me, I just can't live with myself. There's a part of me, I just can't do it. This is part of me it just doesn't exist within me. I'm not saying I'm perfect, but there's a part of me that I have a large pause before I even think about considering doing an action that could break or breach trust or not following through on something. So I think that justice part, like, I'm a person that I am prone to flip a table. I'm a person. If something bad's happening, I will show up. And when I say I'm going to show up, I literally mean I'm going to show up.

H: I once flipped a table because I got so outraged about and you're a lot bigger and stronger than I am. I flipped a table because I was outraged, and it was because an issue of fairness triggered me. Justice sensitivity. That's the first time any guest has answered that and I love that answer. It does make things simpler in many respects.

G: Yeah. I feel I don't have to lie and keep lying and telling lies and if you don't like the fact that I told the truth and I don't know about you, but, like, I love even if it's uncomfortable, I prefer truth over same lie to. I start going, well, if you lie to me about this, what the hell else have you lied to me about?

H: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Absolutely true. And I have too shitty a memory to keep track of the lies.