Join Dr. David Spoon as he dives into the complexities of faith and the challenges faced by the Church of Thyatira. This episode emphasizes the importance of recognizing and addressing spiritual corruption, particularly the influence of false teachings, such as the Jezebel spirit, which encourages believers to stray from biblical principles. Dr. Spoon highlights that even churches with strong elements of faith, love, and service can falter if they allow immoral teachings to take root. He encourages listeners to reflect on their own faith and the environment they are part of, urging them to stand firm in biblical truth. Tune in for a thought-provoking discussion that blends humor with serious spiritual reflection, and discover how faith can guide us through the challenges of 2025 and beyond.

Dr. David Spoon's latest broadcast captivates listeners with a mix of humor and deep spiritual inquiry, tackling the essential question of faith and its implications for believers in the upcoming year. He humorously recounts personal anecdotes and reflections that create a relatable atmosphere, encouraging his audience to consider their own faith journey. Central to the episode is Spoon's question about faith in the Lord to thrive in 2025, which serves as a springboard for discussing the significance of active faith and engagement with Scripture. He emphasizes that genuine faith is not merely a belief but involves action, calling listeners to prepare their hearts for what lies ahead and highlighting the transformative power of God's Word in their lives.

As the episode progresses, Spoon delves into the Book of Revelation, focusing on the Church of Thyatira. He provides a detailed examination of the church's commendable attributes, such as their love, service, and perseverance, while simultaneously addressing the grave issues stemming from the influence of a deceptive figure known as Jezebel. This exploration serves as a powerful reminder that even thriving communities can harbor toxic elements that threaten their spiritual integrity. Spoon's insights challenge the notion that a church is inherently good because of its external works, stressing that it is crucial to maintain sound doctrine and resist teachings that lead believers astray.

Ultimately, the episode is a clarion call for listeners to actively engage with their faith, discern teachings within their communities, and cultivate a deeper relationship with the Lord. Spoon's blend of humor and serious theological reflections creates a compelling narrative that resonates with both seasoned believers and those seeking to deepen their understanding of faith and its practical implications in everyday life.

Takeaways:

• The church of Thyatira is noted for both commendable works and serious faults, particularly allowing sinful teachings.
• Jesus emphasizes the importance of faith in God for thriving spiritually in challenging times ahead.
• The episode discusses the dangers of allowing false teachings in the church, particularly the Jezebel spirit.
• Listeners are encouraged to engage with God's word to strengthen their faith and resist temptation.
• Dr. Spoon humorously highlights the absurdity of labeling strong women as having a Jezebel spirit.
• The discussion on the church's reputation illustrates that even corrupt churches can have faithful members.

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Life lessons for our faith that we can actually use probably won't if we sit on our blessed assurance.

Oh, my humor therefore force you to think, why does this guy have a radio show?

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Get ready for one of the more bizarre experiences on live radio.

Here is the key to the show.

We don't know what we're doing.

We have no idea what's gonna happen and we don't care.

But for the next few minutes, I want to talk biblical love with you.

So here we go.

We're asking questions about living life as a Christian.

That thing right there.

Sometimes our questions are thought provoking, challenging us in character.

Sometimes our questions have to do with just encouragement.

Sometimes our questions are just dumb.

And for the fun of it, this question is kind of none of those.

It's very simple.

Do you.

It's a yes or no.

Have faith, yes or no in the Lord?

It's a yes or no question.

Mr.

And Mrs.

In other words, are you ready to receive?

If God said get ready, what would you do?

That's what I'm asking you, keeping it as simple as I can.

If you have a response to that, if you have an opinion, a comment, a thought, or own question, please don't let it die of loneliness.

I consider that sad.

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Hello.

Thank you, David.

Happy Thursday.

Happy Thursday to you, my friend.

Everything okay in the Overall spaceship called Kaam 770?

Everything's going great.

How are you doing?

I'm doing wonderful.

I was able to get a whole bunch of things done.

I like it when I almost feel like I'm back on track and I'm getting a whole bunch of stuff done.

So in the last, like, three days, I got a whole bunch of stuff done.

It's not that I didn't enjoy family.

I actually did.

This is one of the most enjoyable times I've had with family in Christmas and New Year's and with Noelle's family coming to visit.

But I also like getting it together and kind of getting a little bit on track.

It helps me in my studies, and it helps me in my time with the Lord spend a little extra.

So I'm actually doing really well.

So that's great.

It does feel like we're kind of.

Okay.

We're getting it going.

We're getting back to normal because we had the holidays and then we had the ice storm where we were in and out, and then you had to miss a day or two.

So, yeah, it feels like we're finally.

We're getting back to normal.

Exactly.

Yes.

It takes faith to please God.

So my direct response would be, get some.

I wouldn't say on that one.

Go to the bank, take out a loan, and buy a clue.

It does apply.

But what I would say is faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

Therefore, faith comes through your engagement with the word of God.

It also comes through your communion with the Lord.

Gets them.

That's what I'd say to you right there.

All right, so let's keep it simple.

You know, you can call us.

You can also text.

Don't you love that?

During the show, you can text.

It's kind of nice, you know, kind of just share.

Some people texts are not that nice.

It's okay.

I love you.

Anyway, bottom line is you can text.

So the text number is different than the call number.

So for those who are thinking, oh, I'm gonna call, do not call that.

Additionally, you can send an email.

Even that is fun.

It's kind of a nice way to communicate.

Davidemustincrease.org David.

Because that's my name.

The A with the circle.

He must increase dot org.

It's all one thing.

You get the email, I will get it.

I might not reply right away, but I will absolutely reply to it.

Just to let you know, the reason that you would call us, text us, or email us is maybe you've got a praise report, maybe you have a testimony.

You know, I really don't care what you want to call it.

That part of this doesn't mean anything.

That is really semantics.

I don't care what you call it.

A praise, a thank you, an acknowledgement, whatever.

If you've got something the Lord has done and you want a venue where you can share it, this is it.

And you get to share it.

Because we love hearing that the Lord is active in people's lives.

It's a blessing to other people.

And most certainly it brings glory to the Lord.

And that's a key.

If you've got a prayer request, we're not like a lot of those people, especially people that try to lead the country and don't have a clue that prayer is the most effective tool for leadership, period.

Everybody who just thinks, oh, you gotta be smart.

You gotta have common sense.

Saw the other day on a political show where I stopped and watched for 10 minutes.

It's like, you know, this country, it doesn't need faith, it needs common sense.

It's like, you know what this country needs?

Faith.

Faith in God.

Faith that God is a gracious God and he will guide and direct us.

The common sense of man is tainted by sin.

So let's at least keep that in the forefront of our Christian thinking.

Good idea.

Right there.

So if you've got a prayer request, bring it, let's pray.

If you've got something you want to share, bring it, share it.

Let it bless people.

If you're in a really bad mood and you just want to complain, don't do it.

Ask the Lord to change your heart.

The reason is simply this.

Complaining wearies the Lord when you complain.

He said in Malachi, you have wearied me with your words.

Don't do that.

Okay?

If you can't, you can't lift up Praise unto the Lord, then get into his presence, because in his presence is the fullness of joy.

And it won't take you very long for you to be changing that frown and turning it upside down to a great awesome thank you fest, because that's what we all need to operate in.

Okay?

Okay.

All right.

So we got different things we're gonna be doing.

We'll talk about that later.

We'll do our trivia question later.

We are in the book of Revelation this day.

We are gonna be picking it up at the church at Thyatira.

I am telling you now.

So you have been warned.

We are in this portion where we're going to get through the churches.

We've done chapter one.

We're doing chapter two and three.

When we get to Revelation 4 through 4 through 22, we're going to take the two primary points of view instead of the four, because it will just take me so long to do the four.

I will every once in a while insert some of those other ones.

But I want to focus on the two primary interpretations.

And I'm going to tell you right now, I'm not going to tell you which one you think should apply.

I happen to operate in the principle that they all apply because I'm a manifold millennialist.

Don't bother Googling it.

You won't find it.

It's in that deep, deep vein of people, theologians, who get into it.

It's a very, very, very interesting concept.

What it is, is the different points of view are awesome.

And everything you come across that can help you draw closer to the Lord.

Genuinely draw closer to the Lord is something you should use.

It's like.

Okay, got it.

Not complex.

Okay.

Having said all that, we are now about to talk about a church.

Not the greatest in the world, let's just say it this way.

This is actually called the Church of Thyatira, the corrupt church.

Ouch.

We're going to talk about something people have been arguing about for 50 years, but it has nothing to do with eschatology per se.

All right.

Verse 18 of chapter two says this.

And to the angel of the church, Ephyatira, write these things, says the son of God, who has eyes like a flame of fire and his feet are like fine brass.

Verse 19.

I know your works.

I know your love, your service, faith, and your patience.

And as for your works, the last are more than the first.

Wow, nice verse.

20.

Nevertheless, I have a few things against you because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce my servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols.

Wow.

All right, let's pick it up.

Here's what we're finding out.

Jesus goes to the church at Thyatira.

Remember in Revelation you have the introduction.

We did chapter one for those that missed it.

It's in the podcast every episode and so you just gotta look for it for Thursdays.

What we talked about is chapter two and chapter three.

We're not using the dispensationalism approach that this is different church ages.

My biggest contention with that is the lukewarm church in the seventh phase of dispensationalism.

So, eh, I don't know about the lukewarm part of it.

Here's what I'm going to say to you.

Jesus is really going after this church, but before he tells them, because it's a corrupt church.

And by the way, that's not a good reputation.

Before he gets into that and before he does that, it's interesting to note that there are some people and some things even in a corrupt church that get done right.

There are some things, some teachings, some actions, and some people that do correct and righteous before the eyes of the Lord.

If you go to a church and you're like, ugh, not my church.

Gosh, nothing like it.

That doesn't mean that there's nobody there that represents the Lord.

You got to be careful about that.

Only God knows each and every person and what they do and don't do.

And I have come across Christians who have actually told me personally face to face that the church they go to, they're not thrilled about it, but they believe God wants them to be there because they're the light, a part of the light that can help restore that church to the right place.

I don't have a problem with that if that's their ministry.

As long as they're not usurping authority, I think it's fine.

As long as they're doing it with a humble and right spirit.

What's wrong with that?

Trying to be an influence.

I like it.

That's good.

But I want to point out the very first thing that Jesus talks about, and this is kind of where, you know, this church may have an issue or two.

Jesus in the Very beginning of this letter identifies him as himself, as one who has eyes like flames of fire and feet like brass.

You might be thinking that's kind of an interesting picture of Jesus.

Yep, sure is.

Here's the big thing about eyes like fire and feet like brass.

They both symbolically connect to divine judgment.

That's the problem.

If Jesus shows up at your church and his eyes are a flame of fire and he's got feet like brass, it be trouble time.

Do you understand?

It's like those have to do.

Those are symbolic of judgment elements.

And the Lord purges by fire.

Oh, boy.

And our God is a consuming fire.

It says in Hebrews.

That's not a positive in that sense.

And people are like, well, it can be positive, like the Holy Spirit falling in Acts 2.

Yeah, it can be.

Context is the key.

And in this context, eyes like fire, not happy, not good.

It's not a good thing.

In his mercy, right?

He points out that he is aware of their works, their love, their service, their patience, and their faith.

Now, what's amazing to me about this and how Jesus approaches churches and remember, this is the Lord directly talking to a group of Christians.

These aren't non Christians.

These are Christians.

And Jesus directly connecting to them.

He highlights these five really strong elements that this church holds.

They are good at the works.

They are good at love.

They are good at service.

They are good at being patient.

Well, most of the Christians I know aren't.

And they're good in their faith.

That's amazing.

It's strong.

Strong elements.

One would think if you're operating strongly in love and service and faith, gosh, it's got to be a healthy church.

Here's what it teaches you.

The reality is that if we allow certain elements in our lives that are bad, certain elements in our lives that are wrong, certain elements in our lives that are sinful, they tarnish the good that's being done.

You know who said that?

Jesus, I think.

What are you talking about?

Well, this would be really good for people who are fake bishops who try to sanctify sin from a pulpit, a political pulpit.

It's like, that's just dumb.

Because the truth of the matter is you can have good faith, you can have good love and still be kind of a wreck where God has to change things.

Oh, but it's all about love, Dave.

It's all about love.

It's all about love.

Sin is mentioned two times more than love in the New Testament.

Do you hear that stat quote?

Nope.

Did you know that?

It's amazing.

Do you hear everybody say, this is the core.

They just had somebody come out.

It was not even in the political realm saying the core tenets of Christianity are to take care of the poor.

That's not even accurate in regards to the truth of biblical truth.

Not numerically, not in any other fashion.

Yes, we're supposed to take care of the poor.

But the people who are religious get mad when you honor Jesus.

Even if the money could have been taken and given to the poor.

And Jesus told the people that were annoyed by that, shut up.

They're honoring me.

See how that works?

If it's agenda driven, it's got a demonic drive to it.

Just think of it in those terms.

Now, when we come back, we're going to talk about the Jezebel spirit.

Uh oh, uh oh.

Because this is the first thing Jesus brings up.

But before we get there, let's ask this simple question.

Is the Book of First Corinthians in the Old Testament, the New Testament, or neither?

Is the Book of First Corinthians in the Old Testament, the New Testament, or neither?

If you think you know, you can reach out to us.

Davidemustincrease.org is the book of First Corinthians in the Old Testament, New Testament, or neither.

Davidemustincreased.org is in fact the email.

And here you go.

I'm going to send you up to the website Proverbs 3.

9.

Honor the Lord with your wealth and with the first fruits of all your produce.

Even if you don't give to us, you honor God with what you have.

One of the most amazing things that I was reading when I was getting into 1 Peter, chapter 4, how it mentions in such a brilliant way, we are all stewards, every one of us.

And you have to think in your mind, what are we stewards of?

You're stewards of your time, your talent and your treasure.

You are stewards of the time God has given you.

You are steward of the talents and abilities that God has given you.

And you are stewards of the treasure that God has given you.

So in all three of those areas, be a giver.

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Anyway.

Book of 1 Corinthians, Old Testament, New Testament, or neither.

And being Jewish, I have multiple opinions.

Here you go.

Right after Jesus tells the church of Thyatira these things, says the Son of God, who has eyes like flame of fire and his feet like fine brass.

Wow.

We know those are judgment symbols.

I know your works, your love, your service, your faith, and your patience.

And as for your works, the last are more than the first.

Jesus is impressed that they're doing so well in that area.

Verse 20 Nevertheless, I have a few things against you.

First thing he mentions, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and seduce my servants, to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.

Let's understand what's being talked about here, as sometimes the church gets on a big bender and it's not always a good thing, if you understand what I'm saying.

He brings up something that is generated in many teachings in the church in the last 50 years.

When he says, I have a few things against you.

It's not one.

It's a couple of things.

And he ain't happy if Jesus approaches you and has a few things against you, a few things not happy with.

Here's a great idea.

Humble yourself and go, yes, Lord.

Unless you want to walk around like a cow, like Nebuchadnezzar did.

It's better to approach it that way.

For God gives grace to the humble, but he fights against the proud.

So he talks about this woman, Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess.

And what she's doing is straightforward, teaching and seducing God's servants to commit sexual immorality.

I want to make sure you understand this, because I make sure you don't miss this.

And she's teaching them to eat things offered to idols.

Unfortunately, the church in some cases has taken this text and said, every strong woman has the Jezebel spirit because it manifests when a woman has strong personality, that is El stupid.

O, that is El dumb, a runo.

That is a bozo.

No, no.

A woman who has a strong attitude, a strong personality, does not have the Jezebel spirit.

Wrong answer.

The Jezebel spirit is one that is teaching believers to commit sexual immorality, period.

And if your church has gone through a thing and then somebody stands up and shares or whatever the case may be, it's like, well, we just don't like her.

She got a Jezebel spirit.

That's just literally ridiculous.

This woman Jezebel is specifically teaching about sexual immorality and food offered to idols as being approved.

That's the problem.

It's not that she's got a strong personality.

It's that she's got an evil spirit moving in her.

And so you need to separate those two, as the church has spent a little extra time going down that road, which it would do a good idea to kind of pull that back just a bit.

So the Jezebel spirit that the church needs to be concerned about has to do with women who are claiming to be prophets, and they're not prophets.

And in their prophecies, they're seducing people to commit sexual immorality.

That doesn't have anything to do with a strong personality.

Somebody who's stronger, more bold than somebody else.

Got nothing to do with it.

This has to do with immorality that is sexual.

And really what it comes down to, especially when you get into it, is this woman was using sex to seduce people to commit sinful acts, which is why husbands and wives are not allowed to use sex as a weapon, ever.

Not permitted.

I'm withholding because I'm mad.

Not allowed.

Not acceptable in the kingdom of God.

Some women might not like that.

Some men might not like that.

Tough.

That's not what that's for.

That's not what that enemy is created for.

And it's not to be held hostage or withdrawn or pulled up by anybody.

A husband and a wife.

The marriage bed is undefiled.

You take care of one another, period.

That's it.

There's nothing else you can say about that.

In this case.

She was getting people to literally and spiritually commit fornication.

That's the Jezebel spirit.

It doesn't even attack her as being a prophetess because women can prophesy.

It attacks the teaching.

And the teaching is godless.

And when a woman speaks and teaches godlessness like there's nothing wrong with trans, then it is wrong and a sin, period.

And people don't like it.

Tough book of First Corinthians in the Old Testament, the New Testament, or neither.

And the answer, of course is it is in the New Testament, both first and second Corinthians.

Just to let you know, boy, I have a lot of energy.

Okay, folks, we'll take our short break here.

You're listening to the David Spoon experience right here on Kaam 770, the truth station here in Texas.

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A pastor was leaving his area and was saying farewell to his congregation at the church.

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He shook the hand of an elderly lady.

As she walked out, she said, your successor won't be as good as you.

Nonsense, said the pastor in a flattered tone.

No, really, said the old lady.

I've been here under five different ministers, and each new one has been worse than the last.

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It seems there was a minister who had just all of his remaining teeth pulled and new dentures were being made.

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