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Mark:Spark of Rebellion.
Garry:Hello there and welcome to Spark of Rebellion. This is your weekly Star wars podcast. And welcome to episode two, three, four.
We hope you're having a cracking week and that you've done something Star Wars y and you've come to listen to the waffle and all the good stuff here at Sparkle Bell. We've got some, a bit of a hybrid show for you this week.
We've got some news to go through, some timely bits and bobs, and then we're going to drive straight into some discussion on something that's been popping up on socials I think for the last few weeks now. I've certainly seen it for a few weeks. It's an interesting idea. So we're going to dive into that.
So stick around to see what we're going to dive into later. My name's Garry. I am one of your hosts here at Spark Rebellion. And before I bring on my co host, just the usual housekeeping stuff.
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Like I said, I'm Garry, I'm one of your hosts. Let's bring on the dude, my co host. It's the guy that foolishly thinks still that Sam, people do not travel single file to hide their numbers.
Did Mister Mark Asquith. How you doing, dude?
Mark:I'm all right, thanks, mate. That's just a vicious rumor spread by the natives.
Garry:As vicious, is it?
Mark:Leave the sand people alone.
Garry:That's the only rumor?
Mark:Yeah, the only room, the only one solid, otherwise sound, sound people, good people, good people. Yes, indeed. I'm alright, mate, thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I been blasting through that galactic empire book. It's really good. Really good.
Garry:Is the progress, like, way more accelerated than.
Mark:Yeah, significantly. Yeah, because it's, like, cohesion. And, you know.
Garry:That still cracks me up, dude. Like, we went for literally months. Don't think. Star wars. He still reading that book in ith.
Mark:I don't know how long it took me, actually. I should look on my goodreads. Like, if it's quick to do this, I will look. And if it's not, then I'm not gonna. Where is it? Red. So what did it take me?
Does it do it in day order? Just loading, that's all.
Garry:Good reads.
Mark:Yeah, that's good. Right, here we go. The living force. Yeah. Three months and eight days.
Garry:Crikey.
Mark:Well, to put this in context. Allegiance. So I read some of the old legends. Took me a month. Choices of one month. Dynasty of evil. Christ. That took me two week. Two week for the.
All the Darth Bane ones. Took me like two week, if that.
Garry:I think the thrawn ones, you blasted through those relatively quickly.
Mark:Yeah, I did, I did, I did. It's like I said, I don't want to be up on it, and I will talk about it in more depth, I'm sure, at some point.
But I'd be keen to know what everyone else thought of this one on Twitter or any of the patrons, any of the people supporting us. Like, if you've read the living force, what's the drill? Just felt too much. Just too much going on.
Garry:I need to read. I've got it. I've just not read it yet. And I think you're ready for it.
Well, you're not your review, but your thought process and the way that you've spoken about it doesn't make me want to read it, put it that way.
Mark:Exactly.
Garry:I will at some point.
Mark:Sorry about that.
Garry:That's right. Talking of old JJM, Kate and Batman book next week, dude.
Mark:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Garry:Very good.
Mark:I'm keen for that.
Garry:Yeah. Needed. I think they've done a few bits with the old Batman.
Remember the comics came out a couple years ago, you had, like, 89 Batman, and then you had.
Mark:Yeah, they were good.
Garry:Yeah, not too bad. So I think we need some more. Some more Keaton stuff.
Mark:Yeah, it's funny, isn't it? Get that resurgence now that everyone that was a kid back then has got a bit of spare money.
Garry:Oh, it's the way, mate. It's the way. Just big boys and their toys, eh? Now they've got a bit of spending money, bit of brass.
Mark:Keep it away from the missus.
Garry:Oh, what should we do with that spare 50 quid we got.
Mark:Why don't we decorate the stairs?
Garry:Yeah. I'm not. I'm not saying this is an actual conversation that took place in my house. I'm not going to say that. Could be. Couldn't be.
But email from octopus energy the other day, your usage has been way below predicted, so we're going to refund you this amount each month. So now we're going to have, you know, some spare change. What should we do? Should we go to the garden center?
Mark:No. Spunk it on toys.
Garry:Let's not do that. Absolutely not. Let's go to forbidden Planet, though. See what they've got. Nothing about plastic. Right? Let's dive into some new, shall we?
Dude, first one, right? This is one that is like a bit of a bobbin and weaving situation. Since the first season drops, it's always been a case of, will they do another one?
Will they won't? Because I find this weird, the reception to this one. On one hand, I feel like the original series of Obi Wan Kenobi landed really well.
I felt like six episodes short and sweet to the point. Pretty cool. Ewan McGregor was fantastic as Obi wan. As always, I thought, yeah, this landed pretty well.
But then when you dive into this a little bit more, either on Reddit or the socials, whatever. Not that you pay attention to that too much anyway, but there's quite a lot of people that thought this was pretty average.
Like, meh, I'm not gonna say it was ten out of ten. I'm not gonna say it was one. It was like, there's a lot of people that feel like this is. It was very middle of the road.
Like, we're talking five sixes out of ten, you know, watch it once. Enjoyed it. That was it. Which surprised me because I honestly thought it just. It. I don't know, maybe that was my perception.
It just seemed to land a lot better than that. So since that came out, and maybe because of that reason, perhaps it's always been a case of, are they going to come back and do a second season?
They left it on a little bit of a cliffhanger, I guess, with Qui gon coming back, and that opens up the door to a lot more conversations between those two and what they can get up to. And seemingly he left Luke alone.
He came to the realization at the end of the season that Luke just needs to be your average kid and grow up to be your average kid. And as long as he's left alone, nothing should happen. He's in good hands, blah, blah, blah, so he can go off and do whatever he wants.
And so because of those reasons, it's like, do we need a season two? I don't know. Ewan McGregor was interviewed recently and said, look, we're talking.
Yeah, we are kicking around some ideas at the office for a season two.
So that's obviously nothing to buy into as concrete, like, that's coming, but that is a lot more progress than just, I'd love to do it because that was his line for a couple of years after that or year after it came out, it was always, are we gonna get another one? He's like, I'd love to do another one. And that was it.
But now it's a case of we're talking to Lucasfilm, kicking ideas around, blah, blah, blah, so he could be in for a second season, dude, what do you reckon?
Mark:I think it's sort of, it's a funny one, isn't it? Because, like, the fandom just doesn't like anything, right? That's the thing. So I wouldn't.
We talked about it last week, and I've been thinking about it this week, like, just don't. Just don't listen to them. That's probably the best way, isn't it? Just don't listen to those ones. I think there are some challenges.
I mean, you and McGregor's always funny. Like, he was, I don't know if you watched the interview, but it was like having a bit of band, having a bit of fun.
So, like, there was a guy booing and it was like, did someone boo who booed? That's great. Like, you know, that's. I think that's what Star wars needs, a little bit like that, going out and being like, shut up.
Like, you know, we got this. We're all right. You know, I'm you and McGregor, I'm pretty good at this stuff.
And obviously the Clone wars stuff, I think it's a very difficult thing with Obi Wan season two because people, the people that didn't like it, didn't like that. There was a black woman that was an inquisitor. Let's be honest. That was it. Absolute stupidity that people could even think that.
It's just moronic and they didn't like the pace of it. But it's tv, you know, it needed to build up. Like, it built up.
It needed to show the way that Obi Wan was feeling and basically getting his ass dragged back in because of bail organa and Leia, and it was just, you know, it was, it was an. I felt it was a nice balance between action and a character piece. I did. I thought it did all right. And I feel that when people.
When you see the flashbacks and when you see the flashbacks in Ahsoka, it's brilliant. It is brilliant. And it feels like what people want is, like, a full season of that, because it was.
I saw it again yesterday on, like, Instagram and all over. Oh, would you want to watch a live action clone wars tv show? Like, no, we did that. It would be good. It would be fantastic to see those two. But what.
What's the point? What's the point? So I feel like we've got a disjoint, like, these flashbacks from Obi Wan season two. You know, I mean, it's gotta be a case of, like.
Garry:Right?
Mark:If we're gonna. They will do. If they do Obi Wan season two, it's not gonna be a series of flashbacks.
It's not gonna be like, here's Obi Wan season two set fully in the clone wars. Like, it isn't gonna be that.
So I think that leaves you with a bit of a challenge, because you want more Anakin, you want more Vader, you want more Hayden Christensen, you want more interaction between them two. But the reason it worked so well in the first season is because it mirrored what was going on in Obi Wan's present.
You know, the moves, the aggression. That's how Obi Wan bet him again, knowing how his emotions would take over, and he knew what to do.
And we've seen that with Obi Wan before with Darth Maul, when he learned from what happened with qui gon. So, like, that worked really well. But you can't tread old ground. I don't think. I don't think you could just do more of that.
I don't think there'll be any need for Vader and Obi Wan to meet again. I don't think there would be. I think Obi Wan's now got ten years. It was closure for him.
He's got ten years now until a new hope where he can get to the point where he truly believes that Anakin is dead, that he delivers it so convincingly. When Luke asks, you know, he's got that ten year gap. So I feel like there wouldn't need to be any more of that.
We don't need to see more of Vader and Obi Wan in the. In the imperial timeline. But that's not to say there's not amazing stories that couldn't be done.
That's not to say that you couldn't do a bit of a mix of stories where, you know, Luke's.
Luke needs a bit of a protector because he's just doing stupid shit cause he's 14 or he's getting into bother or his, you know, biggs is taking him on. You know, they're going out getting pissed. You know what I mean?
And that's very flippant, but there's no reason that you couldn't do a, you know, season one of the mandalorian style vibe with. With the undercurrent and the subtext of what is going on out in the galaxy. You know, you've got mon Mothma, you've got bail organ are still around.
We know that Andor takes place six years after season one of Kenobi. So there's plenty of subtext that you could deliver. You could actually use that season two to tell more of a story of the galaxy.
But underpinned through conversations with bail organa, you know, he's now got the comlink. He can talk to Obi Wan, and then the consideration between him and Qui gon as well.
I do think there's a lot of good stories that could be told, and I think that Hayden Christensen would be. There's absolutely no reason that we couldn't see Vader in that series.
And the way that you angle it is that the emperor said, you need to sort of get over this Chaga. And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, I'm good, man. I'm good. Like, totally dialed in on this inquisitor shit.
Like, totally dialed in on it. Definitely not doing anything else. But actually, he is. Like, he's still obsessed in his.
So there's definitely stories to be told, but I think the mistake that they would make would be putting Vader and Obi wan back together in that timeline.
Like, just use Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen in the back end and use the flashbacks as a way of, you know, Vader's dealing with some emotional stuff, whatever. It's Empire Day, which is the anniversary, the 10th anniversary of Padme's death, or whatever.
Use the flashbacks as a way of showing how he and Obi wan dealt with something regarding his mum, for example, how that mirrors how he feels now. So there's so much that could be done just for me.
Just don't make that mistake of going, Vader, Obi Wan, we need a rematch because I don't think we do.
Garry:Yeah, no, I agree.
Mark:There's your pitch, everyone.
Garry:There's your pitch. Not sure how many flaws that was, but it's good. I like it. So I think, yeah, it's. I mean, it's a. I'm sure there's something in lore as well.
I'm pretty sure there's some. When Obi Wan first went out, I'm pretty sure there was something that said, this is the last time that these two sort of throw down.
There aren't any more instances where these two do their thing. So, yeah, it would be. It would be superfluous just to add Vader back in for the sake of another. Another go round, you know, so that.
Yeah, and the thing that I like about Ewan McGregor as well is that he recognizes that this is a finite story, which is cool. So with a lot of actors and a lot of series and stuff, you just want to keep doing it and doing it because. For many reasons, I guess.
But mainly, you know, you want a bit of coin. You want that Disney money, you know, as an actor, you want to keep doing seasons and. And all the rest of it.
Like, longevity seems to be a mark of success almost for a lot of series. But Ewan's like, no, no, no.
From this point on, I want to tell stories that take Obi Wan where we left off at the end of season one, up to the point where we see Alec Guinness as Obi Wan in a new hope. So he understands that there's a. You know, if they were to do a season two, that really would be it. Like, there'd be no season three of this show.
So that's cool. It sounds like, you know, he just wants to do. He just wants to tell a few more stories.
Mark:And there's a lot of, like, reflection stuff in there as well. There's a lot of stuff that could be done if you really wanted to get into, like, the mythology of it all. Like, qui gon's there. There's the whole.
What the fuck happened, dude?
Garry:You know, dude, what the fuck?
Mark:I leave you alone for 15 years, man. What the actual fuck, dude? What the hell?
Garry:Put the kettle on.
Mark:You're too busy pissing around with your beard and your fancy hair. Didn't catch me fucking about with that shit. What did I end up doing? That's right. Sorting stuff, dickhead.
Garry:Yeah, there probably would be an element of that as well. I can imagine qui gon, you know, after a few Guinness, like, mate, you have let the ball drop just a little bit with this one.
Mark:Yeah, it's like those YouTube videos. You seen that, where they imposed a face on and it's their genius. They're hilarious. Yeah.
I feel like there is a lot that could be explored, and I think, like, Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor have got that much Star wars goodwill with most of the fandom, that you could write a pretty straightforward story and probably stand a better chance of more of the fandom liking it.
Garry:Hmm. Yeah.
Mark:You could even do silly little things where, you know, you've got Obi Wan. Because we know in a certain point of view that, like, Obi Wan goes back and communes with Qui Gon during the events of a new hope.
When Luke pisses off back to find Lars and Beru, you know, Texas BBQ'd in that gap, Obi Wan and Qui Gon have a little chin wag, and there's opportunity for little things like that where Luke can remain involved because he's got to know him now. You know, it gets to a point where Luke knows him as old Ben Kenobi. It can't be just from that one meeting, because he wasn't really that old.
He's not going to be just like, oh, it's old Ben Kenobi. He looked like 42 last time I saw him, but he's probably definitely old now.
And it's just, you know, you could deal with, like, the latent force aspects of it, you know, a little bit smallvilly, where it's like, how's this guy always in the right place at the right time? Why is the guy so lucky? You know, almost leaning into the. Anakin was really good at pod racing. Shit. How can this guy shoot womp rats?
Do you know what I mean? And sort of just start to. You could have a not.
I don't want to say fun, because Star wars gets pissed off with fun, but you could have very light hearted elements to it as well. That would really, I think, really work.
You know, if you're bouncing from, you know, Vader choking someone out because he's heard rumors of a Jedi that's, you know, that's been dealing with something, and then it's Luke that's like, oh, these womp rats are easy. Like, there's that. There's some buoyancy in there somewhere that I think Star wars might benefit from.
Garry:Agreed. Yeah. I also like the idea of Obi Wan. Just to quickly finish up.
I like the idea of Obi Wan helping out Luke now and then without Luke knowing that sort of thing, because I think you'd need to interject a little bit of that as well. And just to mention, for the 267th time, whatever it is the original Star wars radio dramas, NPR.
If you've not listened to them yet, go and listen to them. The first one, which is a new hope.
see. And the opening sort of:Like speeder bike racing, you know, nearly killing himself, wanting to be like biggs, the record around, whatever. Just getting up to stuff that, you know, all the teenagers did, you know, in that area. But because he's a little bit.
Wants to prove himself, wants to be one of the lads, all the rest of it, he's just a bit dangerous with stuff.
So you could see Obi Wan popping up like, yeah, I used the force a little bit and moved your bike around so you didn't fucking smash into a wall and, you know, kill yourself, sort of thing.
And then there's other bits, like where his uncle sends him off to whatever, I don't know, mo's Eiseley to get some parts and runs into, you know, not looking where he's going, runs into someone like that. Someone is like, you know, a bit of a bad news. Character, wants to slice him down. Obi Wan interjects a little bit, saves him. Yeah.
Cause there's a bit in that radio drama where the bit where he meets Luke after he gets attacked by the sand people, they have a bit of a conversation and he's like, do you know what? I think you've been sort of looking out for me, haven't you?
Because I've seen you around, and when you're around, you know, I'm getting out of scrapes and I'm safe. So cheers for that, Chaga. So there's a little bit of that as well. They could do. They could bring.
And then they could fast forward up to the end of it where Sebastian Stanley, he's Luke, meets whoever they cast as Alec Guinness. Whatever you want.
Mark:Well, dude, I mean, that's actually, like, quite a really interesting point because there's a lot of reflection that could happen there as well. You know, you've got this all. You never guess what's happened. Qui gon, he's fucking done it again. Oh, he's like his dad.
He's like his dad, but he's not as natural quite yet as his dad is. You know what I mean? But, yeah, but remember that shit on naboo? That wasn't natural, was it? That was potluck. And Artoo probably sorted that out.
You know, you could have, I feel like the element of the loneliness of Kenobi in season one could be really kind of mitigated and built on now that it can commune with qui gon a little bit. Plus, it can the reflections of how does Obi Wan end up so peaceful in a new hope?
And there's actually a really nice story there that we've probably pitched, and there's just a lot in there that you could really do. And I love the idea of actually fast forwarding. You could even.
I mean, it would be a massive twist and shock at the end, but the entire season could literally be a recounting of Luke. You know, Luke recounting these things, and it's actually, that's the springboard for something else. And it actually, shit.
We have recast Luke, and, like, I just. I don't know why they're not doing this.
I don't know why they're just not getting Mark Hamill to narrate some shit and be like the tales of Luke Skywalker and then just get Sebastian to play him in the young. Like, it's money, right? It really is money. And, like, if you tied it to Kenobi, you can leave the mandoverse alone. You can leave all that alone.
That exists. It's doing well. But there's this other interconnected stuff back here. So, yeah, I mean, I know they want to tread new ground and all that stuff.
And we talked about it last week that's not working out as well as they want. And I actually, Kev messaged to say he really enjoyed that episode last week. And I was. I was. I was. I appreciate that. I said, thanks. And I said to.
I said to him that I've been my usual reading this week, and it just appears that there's been a lot of that this week. The Hollywood reporter put something out, saying a similar thing to what we said. Why can't they stick the land in?
It might have been someone else, like variety, but there was two or three, certainly over the last couple of weeks, that have all put that time into reflecting on why Disney can't get it right. And it feels silly that, you know, we've got two different time periods. They're not exclusive.
You can still do this stuff that you're doing now, but just maybe just try this other stuff as well. Like, that's. It's almost like being a business.
Like, if we, if we're building captivate out and we don't listen to people, then more fool us, you know, we may as well listen to people.
Garry:This is a business. Yeah.
Mark:Fitness.
Garry:No, you're right, dude. I tell you, Kath, put that Starbucks down.
I'm telling you now, if there's a season two of Kenobi and these things are in it, like we've just pitched and mentioned, we're coming for you, all right? We know Dave's solicitor down at Barnsley. He's going to file a suit. We'll be on it. So, circling back, we might get a Kenobi season two.
Mark:Yeah.
Garry:Ewan's up for it. And also, they're talking about stuff, which is more than just, yeah, I'd love to do it. So that's cool, dude. Old Johnny.
Old Johnny Williams, the myth, the legend. You know the one. Spoke to him a few times. New documentary about him and his music and his work over the.
What's like, staggeringly many, many years that he's been in the industry. So we're talking about this, obviously, from a Star wars perspective, mainly. But I just. So many cool. So many cool themes that have made our.
I guess, have made our childhood, in a way, and have influenced, you know, a lot of stuff. I mean, you're probably the same as me.
I probably listened to a piece of music by John Williams at least once a week, I would say, whether it's Star wars or, you know, whatever, anything. And so Disney plus have just made and put out, or about to put out a new documentary called Music by John Williams, the official documentary.
And it's going to land on November 1. There's a Wii trailer. Check the show notes. There's a link over to go and have a wee look at that. And it's got all the classics, right?
It's got all, you know, Jaws, Superman, obviously, Star wars, home alone. All these, like, cool stuff. Harry Potter. So this will be worth a watch, right?
Just for a bit of a trip down memory lane, check out all the themes that he's done over the years. But also, it's really nice to have some big hitters, right, to basically say, yeah, he's the man. He's like, Spielberg's in there, Cath's there.
Not with a Starbucks. Lucas is there in his plaid shirt. Absolutely. A web designer in his former life. They're all just like, you know, saying, he's just a man.
So in a way, this seems like an obvious documentary, right? Because he's John Williams. Seems like the sort of guy that nobody's ever got a bad word to say.
So it seems like an obvious one where it's just like, yep, his music's amazing. He's amazing. You know, that's all there is to it. But you got old Johnny at the piano.
He's explaining some of the chord progression, some of the movements, the motifs. I think this would be a good little watch, dude. Defoe.
Mark:Oh, it looks fantastic. Yeah. Really, really keen for this one.
I'm always interested in the composition side of it and, like, a huge fan of that element of it being a bit of a museo.
And I think it's nice and rare to see someone that's so prolific, sort of given the time to shine a little bit and go into the process a little bit with such a high production value, you know.
Yeah, there'll be interviews and there's things on YouTube and whatever else, but to actually dedicate a documentary on Disney with a bit of budget and a bit of time spent on it, I think this is a real treat, man. Very, very keen for this. I think this will be something that I'll probably watch within the first week of it dropping. Without a doubt, man.
It looks really, really good.
Garry:Same. Yeah. So, November 1, you'll be able to check that out on the old Disney. Plus, another bit of timely news.
We had to say goodbye to one of the original ogs from the original trilogy. Robert Watts passed away at the age of 86 recently, and old cath paid tribute and said some really nice words, actually.
She said it was a difficult day for the company when they found out that he had passed.
And she said not only did he bring his own skills, the production of several milestone films, but also gave opportunities to so many other important crew members to do as well.
If you don't know who Robert Watts is, if you've seen any of the documentaries about the original Star wars, he was the guy that essentially was just handling all of the stuff alongside.
I think it was Garry Kurtz was the main producer on it, but he was the guy that was down on set sorting everything out, location work, sorting out crew members, extras, doing all that stuff.
And he's got a little cool little directing credit as well, for a new hope, I think he did a lot of the third unit stuff and, you know, he said that was always a proud little moment for him. Nothing crazy, he said.
It was like he was the guy that filmed, like, R 2d two's foot coming down and moving across the floor, and when they rushed to finish the film and stuff. So, by all accounts, a lovely guy. And, yeah, really important in those early days of Star wars. So, yeah, dude, one of the ogs has left us.
Mark:Yeah, man. Always sad to see it. It's nice that you get these quality, really in depth, really heartfelt obituaries as well.
I think that's important for people that are behind the scenes. Harrison Ford or Mark Hamill or Carrie Fisher or anyone else that we know. James Earl Jones.
A lot of the time, they'll get a lot of the limelight, rightly, but the people behind the scenes that make these things happen don't often get that. So I think it's really nice that that's happened to always sad to lose people.
But I think, you know, it's nice that Star wars and Disney put out the memories as well, because, like I said, it's not always these types of people that do get that type of send off from the big brand. So I think it's important for that to happen. So, yeah, it's a sad loss, but nice that it's nice that it's been handled so gracefully, I think.
Garry:Yeah, yeah.
And depending on what sort of person you are, I'm the sort of person that doesn't really stay sad for long about these sort of people just because it's more of a celebration of, you know, their achievements and their legacy, really. So it's just great.
It's great to see, like, all these old photos that have been brought out now from Lucasfilm and like you said, all of these people that have come out and said cool things, so sad. And he's left us, but what a crack in legacy and loads of other cool films as well.
Not just Star wars that he's worked on, really, like, climbed the ranks, basically, and went on to do some cool stuff. So, yeah, Robert Watts leaves us at the age of 86. It's onto some casting stuff.
A bit weird, this one, because it's always seemed like a no brainer, but then somebody else has come into the fray and is like, actually, no. Just because he looks like the character doesn't mean he has to play him.
So this goes back to the thing that you and I spoken about for many, many, well, a couple of years, I guess, since the first Jedi game came out fallen Order. And Cameron Monaghan, who plays that character, we've always said, like many people, that it's a no brainer, right.
If they ever were to cast a live action cal Kestis, then they would.
It would be the obvious choice because not only is he the face of the character in the video game, and they modeled that character pretty much identical, you know, to the actor's face and whatnot. He's actually a seasoned actor himself. You know, it's not like he's just a, like a voice actor.
They are actors, of course, but it's not like he wasn't an on screen actor and didn't have the chops and everything. He's, you know, he's done all the tv work and. And all that stuff. But Will Poulter? Is it Will Poulter? That's his name? Yeah.
Will Poulter was interviewed recently and said he would throw his hat into the ring as Cal Kestis, which has got some fans of the Jedi games. A bit like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Dude, you know that spit that seats taken? Yeah, back up a little bit. But he's like, nah, nah, I'd like to do it.
So he was basically said, look, it'd have to be, right? I mean, it has to continue the story or the character in some way. I don't want him to just kind of show up and stand around and be there.
I want him to be. I want him to mean something and for there to be a significance for the character itself.
So, yeah, if it would make sense in the right context, then, yeah, absolutely, I'll do it. So this is a throwaway thing, right?
He was just interviewed in the midst of other stuff, just happened to be brought up, and he was like, yeah, I'd love to do it. Fandom's latched onto it and has gone nuts and has said, well, you know, you're not welcome here, dude, while Cameron Monaghan's still alive.
So a bit of an interesting one, dude. It's a throwaway line in an interview. Didn't really mean much, but, yeah, fans are not happy.
Mark:It's hilarious as well. Like, some of the baiting on Twitter from the Daily Star wars games, whatever that Twitter account is, is brilliant.
Like, Cameron Monan would also be a good choice, don't you think? Little pictures out showing the similarities between Cal Kestis and Monan. He's just like, yes, well played.
Yeah, I mean, this is a nothing thing, is it? It's just a classic Star wars thing. This where some, like, literally someone goes, be cool to play Carl Kessis.
And the guy's like, yeah, fucking course it would. Like, that's like. It's like Michael Keaton being asked, be cool to do Skywalker, though, wouldn't it? And I'm going, yeah, of course it would.
It's Luke Skywalker. And then everyone going, no, don't cast him. We've got one. And he's much better. You're like, yeah, he wasn't saying that he was gonna do it, man.
It was like someone said, wouldn't it be cool? And he said, yeah, it'd be nice. So, yeah, a bit of a non story in this regard, but it's just sort of hilarious to see.
I mean, I don't know if camera monoun's gonna do it in live action. I mean, it's one of those, innit? Backs you into a corner.
Garry:Yeah. You know, all that Filoni verse stuff that's coming, maybe.
Mark:I get it, man. But you've then just got though, what were you doing during the galactic civil war?
Garry:Oh, yeah, did this thing, didn't I?
Mark:Yeah, they've done it with, like, ahsoka. They've had to do it with, like, we know that fulcrum was a thing. We know that the Ezra. They had to get Ezra out of the way.
They had to get thrown out of the way so that it was just like, oh, there's only a few of them. So I get it, but I just. What's the best way to say it? I prefer them to finish telling kalkets a story first. Do that. Right. Really?
Like, do a good job of that story, and then if he's still around and it makes sense, fine. Sure.
Garry:Yeah. No, of course there is a third video game coming. They're gonna. Yeah, there is not that trilogy. So that'd be interesting.
But I think the only thing that would carry any sort of weight with this character is that he was embedded quite a lot within the inquisitor stuff. And he also did come up against Vader, albeit briefly. So he has. He has been that as a character.
He's been, you know, he's not just an extra, like a glorified extra, basically. He has done a few bits.
So that's the only thing that would, like, if Filoni was thinking, yeah, I want to bring some extra characters in, flesh out the universe a little bit. I think Calcassis probably would be. Yeah, probably be all right to shove in there, but not as, like, a big hitter in any of that stuff, you know.
Oh, you're the dude that did that thing with the thing. Oh, nice man, too.
Mark:Yeah, it's a tough one in it because this becomes fan service again. It's like where the fans demand something because they've got. They enjoyed the video game, so now they're like, we want him in live action.
But actually, if it's delivered in live action, it might not be that good? Like the best thing for him might be to go the same way as they did in rebels and just kill him, you know? Yeah, just kill.
Garry:Kill them off.
Mark:Yeah.
Garry:If they can kill off Kylo Ren, they can kill off anyone that's mine.
Mark:I was at the park the other day and took the little one to the park in Barnsley.
Garry:During the day.
Mark:Yeah. Knocking about. She's going down the slide and whatever. She's going up these little steps and there's other kids, like, you know.
You know where it's like kids be. Kids are trying to. One's going first and other kids waiting behind her and he tries to go by like sort of the same time as her.
And it was wood, they wouldn't fit, right, it was fine. And then you just hear from behind me, Kylo, just let that little girl go up damn stairs.
Garry:No.
Mark:And you're like, you are Kylo, right, okay, how old is he? Right, okay, so it's like eight. So, yeah, that fits. And I thought. I didn't hear that right. I didn't hear that right.
So fast forward three or four minutes. Kylo does that. Want an ice cream? Donna, does Kylo want an ice cream? No, right? And I'm like, christ, they've done it. So I took Beyonce off the slide.
Garry:And fucked off and took her to a party. Britney's party.
Mark:Britney, bitch. Yeah, I thought that was funny.
Garry:Dude, come on.
Mark:I know, dude.
Garry:In it, parents call your kids whatever you like. You know, you do, you whatever. But come on, kai. I don't know, man. You just. You.
What you're doing is you're saying, look, love, I want to call the lad. I want to call our lad Kylo. Right? She's like, that's going to open him up to just years of ridicule and bullying.
I'm good with it because I've got a kid called Kylo. Him up. All right, fine. Your dad's got his way again.
Mark:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. Bad one.
Garry:Yeah. So calcarest this, mate. Live action, yay or nay, who knows?
Mark:But definitely not Will Poulter, though.
Garry:I don't know. He's got a weird face. Will Poulter. I think he'd be like the comedy version.
Like the evil version of countless that showed up with like the weird eyebrows and the frown all the time.
Mark:And the. He's got like the little goatee beard to make sure, you know, that he's a bad guy.
Garry:Exactly. Yeah. I would say, as usual, sor, listener, that we'll keep you posted on this story, but we won't. It's just a non thing, so it.
Mark:Won'T even be a story. The next thing that we'll hear about this is Jedi survivor three, and then probably maybe something. Live action, maybe. But I mean, what do you.
y not going to drop to, what,: Garry: I would say: Mark:Yeah, that's a stretch.
Garry:Yeah, just because I think Respawn have just absolutely wrecked the landing for the first two games. Like, it's taken.
Like, the games come out, and then they're borderline unplayable on some platforms for about six months until they patch it, and then people sort of dive into it and stuff. So you wouldn't want sort of train wreck release number three in a row.
, dude. And my guess would be: Mark:Yeah, I think so as well. But I just don't see calc Estes coming in before that to live action.
Garry:Live action. Oh, yeah. No, I can't see it. No. Nope. Memorabilia, dude. We spoke about these a few times. The old props that gets put up for sale.
Screen accurate on screen props. All the rest of it. Pretty decent one.
This one, the sand trooper from that scene in a new hope where you get three or four of them around the land speeder and Obi wan for the first time, does the mind trick. You don't need to see our identification. You know, all that.
So the sound trooper that he's talking to, they've matched this helmet that they've put up for sale to the screen, used version, and that's going up for auction, dude. So this is over at. I'm sure it's prop store. Yeah. In London. And it's going up for just over $300,000. Up to. That's the estimate.
Up to 600,000, which is 250 grand. Up to. Up to half a million sterling british pounds. Uh, that's gonna be on November 17. So next month.
So gives you another month to save a little bit more in the penny jar to get this one. Uh, dude, I think this is a cool one because it's not the kind of, um.
It's not the in your face, like, you know, here's Luke's lightsaber, or here's, you know, whatever this is. Like, oh, that could be one of a hundred stormtroopers. But it's like, no, no, no. You got to read the card, dude. That's next to it.
You know, this is screen accurate soundtraper from that iconic scene. So I think that's a good one. And then we've got some other props as well.
We've got Yoda's little cane that he used in Empire strikes back, return the Jedi. That's pretty cool. That'll only set you back 25 to 50 grand, which is not too bad. So that's the Star Wars y stuff.
And then there's a few other cool little movie bits as well. We got Michael Keaton's bat suit from Batman Returns. That's pretty sweet. You've got Michael J. Fox's jacket that he wore in part two.
And you've also got some other bits, like from horror films. You got the hat that Kurt Russell wore in the thing from back in the day. You've got the Ghost fast mask.
Ghost face mask from the original screen movie. So some really cool bits, dude, in this one. But obviously it's about the Star wars stuff for us. But I'd have the Stormtrooper one. Mandev Diomit Defo.
Mark:Yeah, I'd have that. And I'd have a few of these. I'd have that one. Definitely the Yoda cane.
I think that'd be pretty cool for the same reason, because they'd be like, oh, what's that? A replica cane. Wow. Whatever. So that'd be. That'd be quite cool. And it's such a subtle little bit of memorabilia.
It's not like, in your face, do you know what I mean? So I like that the Batman return suit would be epic, as would the mighty McFly jacket as well. So, yeah, a lot of cool stuff in there.
You just can't afford it. It's just absolutely silly price. But, yeah, some of this stuff would be really cool.
Some collector's gonna really land on a bit of a treasure trove there, I think. And these are the sort of things as well that I would genuinely believe that there'd be decent investments.
Like, I don't see them losing value at any point. This is only going to go up in value. So, yeah, I suppose if you've got the brass, that's actually not a bad thing to put your money into.
Garry:Yeah, yeah.
Mark:Really like that. And I like. I like that the helmet's really still, like, discolored.
I think they've made sure that it's not been too tarted up and it's not been too, I say well preserved because it's well preserved, but it's not been refinished or anything. So. Yeah, yeah, I think there's some absolute beauties in there, dude. I'd love to. Love to be able to afford to get one, but pipe dreams, if anything.
Garry:If anything. Yeah, yeah. I'd have the stormtrooper helmet, man. That'd be cool.
Your mates would buy this and you'd go around there and I'd have Marty McFly's jacket over the top of Keaton's batsuit with the stormtrooper helmet and be like, oh, yeah, just threw that together. That's from films, right? You're like, jesus Christ.
Mark:Here he is again. Uh, only come for a curry, Brett. Piss off. Take off.
Garry:Old Brett has come back, eh? Right, so that's your auction, dude. November 17. Mark your calendars to spend your pocket money on that. That's the news. Done.
I just want to finish up on this subject, dude.
Mark:What is it?
Garry:Yeah, well, you mentioned it very briefly in the opening story.
Mark:Actually, I knew I would do.
Garry:Yeah, because that's how you forward think.
Mark:Same wavelength. Yeah. Although for the listener, Garry's not disclosed what we're just about to talk about to me. So I had no prior knowledge of this.
Garry:Sure. I've seen this pop up a few times, dude.
Mark:Well, what is it? Just tell us then.
Garry:And it is this concept of doing a live action clone wars with Hayden and Ewan, right? You mentioned this earlier. You were like, yeah, they could just do it, but it would be pointless.
Now, I'm of the same opinion, and I think a lot of fans are, because the Clone wars was such an in depth animated show with so many episodes, loads and loads of content there. How, how would you, how would you bring something new to the table by doing a live action version?
You either just set the tone, I guess, straight out the gate and say, look, we're going to redo a lot of stories, but just in live action version, or we're gonna, you know, dive into some bits that you didn't see in the animated series. But that'd be hard. Like I said, there's so much there already, but I've seen it quite a few times pop up now.
And there's been a couple of articles as well. This one that I'm looking at comes from Forbes and the who's this written by Paul Tassie.
Basically says, look, yep, we could have a Kenobi season two. We could do all these other things, but why don't you just do live action clone wars?
And the justification is that it satisfies a lot of people who want more clone wars in the first place. So there's a lot of fandom that was like, oh, man. Gutted that that ended because it's such a cool animated show. I'd love to see more of it.
Then you've also got the fans that just want to see Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen, and then you've also got the subset of fans that were just absolutely losing their mind when we saw Clone wars version, live action Anakin in the Ahsoka series, and then that episode when you see the little Ahsoka, and it was very much a, wow, this is a vibe. Like, this is a whole. This is fucking awesome. So, yeah, like I said, I've seen it pop up. What. What are you all like?
If someone said to you, like, mark, here's like, 200 million quid, you've got the choice to make something brand new in the Star wars universe, or we'll give you 300 million quid, and we want you to do a live action clone wars, and you and Hayden said he'd star in it along with you and everyone. Where would you go with that, dude?
Mark:I feel it would need to focus on two specific things. It would need to focus on the genuine.
And this is building on what was in a circuit, because a lot of the feedback was, wow, that was fucking brutality. Like, that looked dirty and grimy and scary, and it was a kid. Soka was a kid in the middle of a war.
They would have to hone in on the brutality and the idea that even Padawan kids were being thrust into fight in a war. I think that's one thing. And it would have to be hard. It would have to be dirty. It would have to be a war piece. That's it.
And I know it's wars with lasers and shooting droids. That's fine. We can keep the Star wars sensibilities.
I think the second thing that it would have to do to keep it interesting, number one, everyone's got to come back. Natalie Portman's got to come back. Jimmy Smitz has got to come back. McDermid's got to come back.
Everyone has to come back because you've got to tell the story. You can't. For me, you wouldn't remake the Clone wars animated. There would be stories that existed.
And because they jump around in time, there very rarely are things that are butted up together.
You would have to build all these relationships with the rexes of the world and all the clones, but in particular, you would have to strengthen the relationships between everyone on screen.
You'd have to show Obi Wan's suspicion of Anakin and Padme, you'd have to show how he gets to the point of making the little quips in season seven of the Clone wars. You'd have to get to the point of referencing other Clone wars episodes that did happen in animation, but. But creating new stories around it.
And the point would have to be to strengthen Anakin's fall while showing the horrors of war. And now that could be badass. And I don't even think that's fan service. I think it's just, it's the Skywalker saga. Do some of that, you know?
Yeah, I just feel like you could do that and you could even. There's plenty of opportunities for time jumps.
You know, do three seasons, do one per year, you know, even have, you know, Padme and Anakin talking about having kids and leaving the order and all the stuff that they didn't get time to do in the movies, I think you could really do. So I don't think it's a bad concept.
What I don't think we need is just a retreading of everything else and just, you know, let's do the same stories, but in live action. It's pointless. It's just pointless to do that if you've got that budget, you know, listen to the feedback from the prequels. What.
What did people feel was missing from the prequels? And it was like, wait a minute.
We know that the revenge of the sith probably takes place over three months, for six months, nine months, maybe, but it doesn't feel like that. It feels like it takes place over, like, two days, you know, but you don't.
You know, Padme is not heavily pregnant, and then at the end, she has kids, you know, so there's a time period in there somewhere. Um, so I think you could just show that. I think you. I do think you could do a great job of it. The problem that you've got is it's constant de aging.
Um, you know, what would you do with the clones? Granted to me, you could maybe just show the clones without the helmets on, I guess. But, um, it would need some thought.
But there's a lot in there that could be done. I don't think that's an issue. Um, it's just what people would react to that, like, you know, because that, that's the other thing.
If you just remake the animated stories, people just don't. They'll not like it, you know, fans. Whoa, we didn't want that. You know, it was better on animation or blah, blah, blah, blah.
So you'd have to be real careful with it. But I think there's something in that.
Garry:Yeah, it's interesting one in it because. Yeah, I think that would be a fail straight away if you just remade for live action.
I think just because a lot of, a lot of people that watched this show when they were relatively young probably formed some kind of emotional attachment to the voice actors and the way that those characters were done within those stories and whatnot. So as an animated show, it was quite emotional at times. There was that sort of emotional undertone. It wasn't just a.
It wasn't just a lightsabers and pew, pew, pew for kids, like some cartoons are, it did have a. Almost a mature matureness to it. So I think a lot of people would have connected with that.
And if you were to redo it in live action, be like, yeah, you know, I felt that way about the story back then. I don't, you know, I don't have that now. So I think, yeah, that it's an interesting one because I think you could.
You could hash out some, some newer stories within that time period just for me. I think the Clone wars era has had so many stories told around it.
And in that time period, not just the animated show called the Clone wars, but loads of books, loads of other bits and bobs within Star wars just focuses heavily on that, that, that time period in the prequel trilogy. So I would go with option a.
If someone presented that to me, if someone said, you got 200 mil for something new or 300 mil for the Clone wars redo, I think I'd go with something new. Dude. I just don't see why I have to see it.
Mark:I still see why you can't do both. I don't see why it's got the shit, you know, if you take Kenobi, it's called Kenobi, not Kenobi.
During this time period, it's called Kenobi, you know, it's about him. So there's absolutely no reason that you could not do that and really make this a show about, like I said, the parallels.
Garry:Yeah, yeah.
Mark:You know, and almost, you know, doing all of that clone wars stuff but not needing to fill a season with it. Like, we know what it's like. Sometimes two good episodes are better than eight slower episodes.
Or, you know, if you've got a series order for six to eight 1 hour episodes about the Clone wars, you've got to tell a story. And people complain about the pacing very often. And if you've got the same issue with Kenobi, there's no reason that you can't.
Mandalorian did it pretty well, you know. Yeah, it was a little bit.
Felt a bit shitty towards the Mandalorian proper, but they needed to tell a bit of Luke Skywalker story, and they needed to tell a bit of a grogu story, and so they did. And it just. It feels like there's opportunity to just do that.
You know, let's bring Liam Neeson back, bring Ewan McGregor back, make it a very reflective thing. But get Natalie Portman in for a couple of episodes.
You know, just fill a couple of the gaps in, get bail organa in, you know, put redo some of the scenes at the fall of the Empire, you know, with the rebellion, you know, the deleted scene from revenge of the Sith. Redo that with some fresh context on it. And I just. Yeah, there's just a lot that you could do.
Like, especially things like, we don't really know how Obi Wan felt when he got on, when he snuck on the ship to go to Mustafar. We don't know how he felt. So much opportunity, we know, in the kenobi. But the John Jackson Miller one, what happened immediately after Mustafar?
He took Luke to Tatooine, but not, like, immediately. Immediately. How did he feel? What happened? And maybe part of that healing towards a new hope is qui gon saying, look, fucking hell.
You did what you could, man. You did what you could. And you know that because there's a lot of problematic stuff in Obi Wan's head still. Like, should I have killed him?
It would have been better for the galaxy if I'd have killed him. You know? Who else but his master can say to him, look, yeah, I get that, but would I have killed him? Who would have done anything different?
There's so much good stuff, but I just don't know if it needs to be a Clone wars series.
Garry:Maybe it could be more about Obi Wan than Anakin. Maybe. Maybe Anakin's had his day in terms of having so much content about him. Maybe it could be a. You know, because in that.
In that book, there is a bit of a conflict with. With Obi wan as well, in terms of a love interest.
Mark:Mm hmm.
Garry:So he does have. As a character throughout that whole period, he does have a lot going on in his noggin.
Mark:Well, that's the other thing. Sorry to interrupt, but they're like, dude, this whole satine thing has not been told.
Garry:Oh, true.
Mark:Yeah, not being told really, in any depth. Maybe like it's been alluded to in the Clone wars and maybe a little bit in the books, but absolutely nothing of major depth.
There's a lot that could be done there, especially when you start to think about tying it into, like, bo Katan. You know, you've got good casting. And Katie sackoff right there. So, Kate Blanche in Kath Valloni.
Garry:We're just giving these away for free now.
Mark:We are pretty much nailing some ideas today, to be honest. I feel like we're on. We are in a bit of a role with this today.
Garry:Crikey. I'll tell you what, mate. If these things pop up, I'm on it. Dave at Barnsley. Davesolicitors.com. they're gonna have it.
Mark:Kylo. Do you want an ice cream, Kylo?
Garry:Oh, God. Only if Ben wants one. Oh. Why does he get to be called something normal?
Mark:Yeah. Little Scott.
Garry:Scott. Yeah, little Scotty Kylo, Scott.
Mark:What?
Garry:Four kids? Sarah. Yeah. Scott. Kyle. Kai. Do you know what I mean? It's like, why, like, the odd one out? Oh, your dad, Donna.
Mark:I want to call his other kid Kyle. We've already got a Kyle, aren't we, Brett? Yep. Right, well, why can't we have another one? Because it'd be confusing, won't it, Brett?
We talked about this with the dog and look what happened there. Right, what about Kylo, then? Fuck it. Go on. You have what you want, Bret, lad.
Garry:Yeah?
Mark:You have what you want to. But I'll tell you what, you're dealing with a school, you're dealing with a football team.
And you're dealing when you're drunk and you call Kyle Kylo by mistake. Because we all know it'll happen, Brett. Now go to work.
Garry:And the school counsellor, because of the buddy, that's on you.
Mark:Hello, love. It's your little Kylo's school teacher here.
All it is, I don't like to bring it up, but it got a bit mad today and he bashed up all his computers with a stick that he'd painted red and then pinned one of the other lads to a chair, saying he was gonna, and I quote him, read his bastard mind. So can you come and get him, please?
Garry:I wonder if he's an old school dad. Yeah. Between nine and three is your problem.
Mark:Yeah, innit?
Garry:Hang up.
Mark:If my dinner's not on chuffing table when I get out, I'm gonna batter thee. I'm gonna batter thee and I'll tell thee what, me and Kylo are gonna pub. And then when we come back, that dinner best be on chuffin table.
It better be, otherwise they're gonna get kebabrant chops.
Garry:Observation, which I find hilarious. Mark is from Barnsley. When he's done an impression from somebody else from Barnsley, his. Your accent is even more.
Mark:Yeah, I get more Barnsley.
Garry:Yeah.
Mark:So, like, I'm more neutral because of work, aren't I? I'm not like you think I'm properly Barnsley, but trust me, I am not properly Barnsley.
Garry:I do. I said this on a. On our last team meeting out talking to Star wars names, Ben, one of our colleagues, little Ben Brawler.
And I was saying, mark's got a real neutral Yorkshire. Barnsley accent. I think, Sam, I think your missus is more Barnsley than you are.
Mark:Oh, she is, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. No, 100%. But a lot of people that hang around with are massively Barnsley, which is great.
Like, I used to be that, but I had to soften it because of, like, public speaking and podcasting and stuff.
Garry:Yeah. You're impressions of other Barnsley people.
Mark:Oh, yeah.
Garry:Like, proper.
Mark:You should hear Sam's uncle. Honestly. You walk in and it's. The volume is off the charts. All right, Mark. Glad as they've been golfing. No, I've not.
Let us know because it's Christmas fucking day, Chaga. I've not. It's the only time that I see you. What you up to? Chip oil for dinner Christmas day, Les chip oil.
If I don't get change out of that fiver, I'm gonna go down there and I'm gonna clatter them.
Garry:You've got all the nuances bang on because obviously you grew up with it. Do you know what I mean? So it's.
Mark:You should watch. There's a guy from Barnesville that does a. It does, like a bit of a meme page. Started back in the day with, like, a Snapchat filter.
But he's hilarious. He's called straight up Yorkshire and it's just about. He's a guy from Barnsley and just have a look at him.
Garry:Just.
Mark:Just watch him. Straight up Yorkshire is absolutely. He always goes on about, like, what you doing to me? And he's like, gwynedd Wickingman Shagga. What lady?
Garry:Well, there you go. There's some education listeners, especially our us listeners, on some regional accents.
Mark:Yeah.
Garry:Here in UK ish. Right. Dude in waffle. Let's put a pin in it there for. Let's put pin in there for episode 230.
Thank you very much for listening to another episode of Spark of Rebellion. We rounded out some pretty sweet news, a couple of non stories, but they're making up the chitchat throughout the galaxy at the minute.
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We will see you next time. Mark's been cool as always, dude.
Mark:See the next week, old Chaga and.
Garry:So, yeah, on that Yorkshire note, we'll see you next time. Until then, I take care of yourselves and may the force be with you always.
