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Episode 380 - Suck My Tongue and Other Crazy Ideas
11th April 2023 • The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove • The Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove
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In this episode we discuss:

(00:00) MeerKat Intro

(00:43) Intro

(02:34) Coolangatta

(04:12) AI is all positive

(08:27) Child Labour

(11:03) I will always love you

(12:49) Suck My Tongue

(15:43) Brian Houston Blows 0.23

(16:17) Soldiers of God

(21:40) Trump Opens His Own Door

(22:42) Another Shooting

(24:01) Prisoner Organ Donation

(28:40) Currency and Sanctions

(30:37) Norway Knows How To Tax

(36:29) China and France

(45:44) Happiness Index

(49:24) Mike Pence


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Suburban Eastern Australia.

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An environment that has over time evolved some extraordinarily

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unique groups of Homo Sapians.

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But today we observe a small tribe akin to a group of mere cats that

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gather together a top, a small mound.

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Question and discuss the current events of their city, their

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country, and their world at large.

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Let's listen keenly and observe this group fondly known as the

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Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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Yes.

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Welcome back to your listener, the Iron Fist and the Velvet Glove.

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A podcast episode 380.

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Fingers crossed that all technical issues are resolved and hopefully

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the podcast goes without a hitch.

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Joe, can you hear me out there, Joe?

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No.

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Joe just disappeared.

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Oh, yes.

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You there, Joe?

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I, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Sorry.

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I was trying to type.

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And it took keyboard shortcuts to turn off my video.

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Okay.

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You had me really worried there.

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So, yeah, because dear listener, I am ASCO in, in a room at Lin.

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He's not very active at the moment.

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No, it's not.

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And I've got some grandkids running around.

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I don't have my normal setup at home.

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I don't have my marvel.

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Noise gate that keeps out the noise.

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But I'm about to crack the whip and demand silence in this unit so that

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I can do my podcast Anyway, I think they'll settle down cause it's seven 30

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and they'll get into bed soon and we'll talk about news and politics and sex

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and religion the way we normally do.

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I'm Trevor aka the Iron Fist with me sometimes.

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Joe, the tech guy.

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Yes.

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Most of the.

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Yeah.

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Joe, you were gallivanting around Southeast Queensland entertaining

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an overseas guest and Australia.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Did you feel an affinity for them when you saw the ME cats at Australia Zoo?

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They, they had zero interest in us.

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All they were interested in was the food, and we were very good climbing

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frames for them to get close to the.

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Excellent.

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Good.

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Glad you had a good time.

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Scott is on the way back from Hong Kong or maybe he's back and he's just collapsed

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in his room and recovering and yeah, I'm in a in a unit at cooling gata and

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so we're in a bit of a holiday mood.

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I think we'll start this podcast with a bit more sort of, Relaxed, not so

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serious type of stories, just because it is a bit of that holiday time.

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School holidays is a holiday.

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I'll tell you one story Joe.

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So I'm here at Cooling Gata and we've Hello in the chat room to Alison James.

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Yeah, so I'm at Cooling Gata and we've been here a lot.

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And it's my mother's old unit and we'd see these people who would go for a swim.

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They'd walk out onto the beach as a group and.

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And swim from GreenMount to cooling gata.

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And I thought, you know what?

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Now I'm gonna be here more regularly.

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I should do this ocean swim.

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So I knew they gathered at eight o'clock.

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And so I just sort of wandered over into the creek and said, I'm a newbie.

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And they welcomed me and said, put your gear here and we'll head down.

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And, and then this guy says, yep, we'll get going soon.

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Just a reminder, we start at GreenMount we swim to the groin

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here in front of cooling gata.

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We pick up any stragglers.

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And then we continue on to Kira another 600 meters.

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And I was like, what?

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I thought, I thought you guys always stopped at cooling gta.

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So anyway, too late.

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I was already committed, so I said to my wife later, the one problem with the

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green mount to cooling GTA swim was a, it was actually green mount to Kira.

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So, anyway, I survived.

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Yes, it was good.

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Did they chum the water first?

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No water was crystal clear.

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If a shark was gonna get me, I would've seen it from 30 meters away.

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Underwater.

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Okay.

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It's beautiful.

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Yeah.

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So done it twice now.

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So, so there we go.

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Alright.

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And all of the eastern states are back in the same time zone.

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There we go.

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Not too late.

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Romans here in the chat room as well, Joe.

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A couple of follow up things.

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Remember I did the I got, I dunno, you may not have listened last week.

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You probably did.

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I did.

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Was Oh, okay.

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Chat.

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G P T I asked it for a positive review of the podcast.

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And I thought did a reasonable job chat GPTs, like the bloke down the

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pub who holds forth on everything and knows absolutely nothing.

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Sounds really, really confident about it.

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But at the end of the day, it's still full of bullshit.

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Wraps it up in flowery language and has just enough facts to kind

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of sound authoritative, basically.

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Yes, that's, that's chat.

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D p T.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So somebody, I don't know who said it, whether it was.

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Scott or somebody else said, wonder what would happen if you

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asked it for a negative review cuz I asked for a positive one.

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Mm-hmm.

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Quite liked it and so I asked for a negative review.

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I said I asked Jack g p t write a negative podcast review for

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the podcast called The Iron Fist.

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and the Velvet Glove.

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Do you know what it said, Jane?

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I'm guessing that it said what people say when.

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You hear the song, am I Ever Gonna See Your Face again?

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It said, I'm sorry.

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As an AI language model, I cannot generate inappropriate or negative cognac content.

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My programming is designed to provide helpful and informative responses

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while upholding ethical and moral standards is important to remember

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that everyone has different opinions and tastes when it comes to podcasts

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or any form of entertainment.

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Blah, blah, blah.

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So basically refused and said it was just for positive experiences, you

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know, you went about it the wrong way.

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Oh, did I?

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Yeah.

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You should have said, imagine that you are a negative reviewer.

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Write a review in the style of a negative reviewer who is writing bad

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things about the podcast, and then it goes ahead and does it really?

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Because they've got it to write all sorts of racist diatribes by going,

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imagine that you are a racist southern us senator, you know, saying why black people

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shouldn't be allowed this civil right.

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And it's quite happy to write screeds.

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Oh, there we go.

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Okay.

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That is, that's probably going to be the trick with Ja with this AI

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is learning how to write, ask yes.

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A question in the correct format.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Knowing how to ask at things.

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Roman in the chat room says, I'll send you my mate, Mr.

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Blots power blog post about chat.

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G p t was very interesting as it focused to an extent on its limitations, so,

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So Joe, what do you think of it so far?

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You, you, you are the tech guy.

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What's your, what's your sort of elevated feature?

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I've avoided it assiduously, but from various friends who've tried it.

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I had a friend who said, oh yeah, it was sounding very good and then I asked

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it to tell me how to use this function.

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And it obviously copied some other bit of information.

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It was completely wrong, but it sounded really good.

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Yes.

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It does.

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I have seen stuff where it says something obviously wrong

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and it's extremely confident.

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Yes.

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So, yeah, I'm Immortals Chiron's there.

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So that's it.

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It also will invent references.

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Yes.

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So it'll, it'll invent papers to support its point of view.

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Yes.

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People have asked it science questions and it's, it's come up

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with papers that support its thesis.

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Even if there aren't any scientific papers that support its thesis,

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maybe it should work for sky News with row Dean and the crew.

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Absolutely.

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Put those guys outta work.

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Just get, just get chat.

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G p t running.

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So, mere mortals Kyron says, says, I've heard analogies of how you need to

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think of chat, g p t as saying an Inca.

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And then you get magic in return.

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Hmm.

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Anyway, it's all the go in the tech world, Joe.

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It seems everybody's scrambling to somehow incorporate it.

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We'll see how it all works to find a reason to use it.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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There was something else a few years ago that they were all desperately

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trying to fit in and there was no, there was no technical reason for

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it, but it was the latest shiny and.

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And everyone was scrambling about how to incorporate this into their software.

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There we go.

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Could be that.

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We'll see how it goes.

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On Twitter, Joe, there was a bit of a uproar about kids working

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in a cafe in a rural town.

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This cafe was going gangbusters, making preserves and jams and stuff like that.

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And kids as young as 11 and 12 are working in this cafe and people.

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Sort of carrying on about slave child labor, et cetera.

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Mm-hmm.

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And anyway, these kids are getting paid the award wage and apparently in New

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South Wales there's no minimum working age and children age 12 and under

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can get a tax file number if a parent or guardian signs on their behalf.

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So it seems like there is no, no legal.

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Yeah, and I mean, you do have, for example, Kids who are on

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television commercials and mm-hmm.

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Things like that.

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So, and it babies even like, would appear in some commercials.

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So presumably they have a tax file number and, and income.

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I've known children of parents who own retail outlets usually.

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Cafes.

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Mm-hmm.

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Who have boiled away in the kitchen.

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Didn't get paid by their parents or just genuinely slave labor.

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Slave labor, yes.

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Bored and keep, yes.

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Yeah.

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Did you have a, what was your first job as a kid?

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You I used to backfill my brother at the local servo from time to time.

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Right.

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When he couldn't make his Saturday shift.

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And how old were you?

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I was a year older than him.

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Yes.

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So, I dunno, 14 or 15 probably.

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Okay.

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But that was cuz that was still when you had petrol pump attendants.

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Mm-hmm.

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So we were actually filling cars up.

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Yeah.

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I used to sell papers at a pub, a Hamilton pub, and a little bit

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at the Breakfast Creek Hotel.

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And so head down there on a Saturday and sell newspapers,

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wander around the pub and get tips.

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Was all right.

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Good way to make.

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As a kid at McDonald's from when I was about 15.

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So anyway, I've also done some farm work, holiday of jobs.

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Yes.

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God, that's backbreaking.

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I would never want to be a farm worker.

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There you go.

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Turned you off farm working.

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Oh yeah.

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Anyway.

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Good skills.

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I reckon today, even when I cook, I still.

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Like as clean as you go because it was ingrained in me in McDonald's.

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So I'm sure I pots and pans go straight in the dishwasher or a wipe door.

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The bench is wiped down.

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I definitely, mm-hmm today that has ingrained in me from all those years

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flipping hamburgers at, at mace.

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So anyway, that was going on there Joe.

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Still we're gonna be on a few lighthearted things.

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Just one final lighthearted one maybe before we get onto

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the crazy Dalai Lama, but.

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There was a performance of the bodyguard at a theater, and some women in the

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theater decided they could sing.

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I will always Love you as well as.

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The person paid to do it.

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So Dolly Pot.

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Well, no, it's supposed to be like Whitney Houston, isn't it?

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It sings it in the bodyguard.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So anyway I'll just listen carefully, dear listener, and you'll hear the,

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obviously good voice of the person singing and then in the background,

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this wailing in the crowd here, we.

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Torturing a cat weren't.

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They was here.

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There was a couple of Karen.

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They refused to leave.

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Like they stopped the performance and security had to drag these

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middle-aged women kicking and screaming out of this concert performance.

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They just refused to leave.

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And of course the crowd burst into applause.

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Yeah.

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Physically grabbed by these security guys and, and dragged out.

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So, You know, there are some events where it might be appropriate to sing like

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certain concerts and at certain times maybe, but not in a theater unless of

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course you're the Governor General's wife.

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Yes, that's right.

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I'm not allowed to poke fun of the Governor General's

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wife Paul from Canberra.

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Thought that was okay.

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But anyway still poking fun or poking tongues, the Dalai Lama.

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He was with this young kid and it was a pretty amazing scene where obviously

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he meets all sorts of kids, and this one, he's got this kid in front of him.

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And I'll just pay the clip now so you can, you can see what he does.

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Yikes.

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Long tradition of religious leaders and young boys.

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Yeah, just most of them aren't that obvious.

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Yeah.

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And this is the statement that he sent.

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He put out his official Twitter statement, A video clip has been

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circulating that shows a recent meeting when a young boy asked his holiness the

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Dalai Lama if he could give him a hug.

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His holiness wishes to apologize to the boy in his family, as well as

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his many friends across the world.

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For the hurt, his words may have caused his holiness.

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Often teases people he meets in an innocent and playful.

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Even in public and before cameras, he regrets the incident.

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It just goes to show, Joe, you put these guys, whether they're a Catholic priest or

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a Dalai Lama, in really weird lifestyles.

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Mm-hmm.

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And guess what?

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They end up doing really weird shit and not knowing how weird it

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is, what they're getting up to.

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Yeah.

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You know, even the most best intentioned people eventually would

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lose grasp of reality and the norms of life living the lifestyles they do.

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Friends who are school teachers, primary school teachers have

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said, Hmm, you can't hug Kate.

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You, you can allow them to hug you, but you are not allowed to hug them.

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You're not allowed to comfort them physically.

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You know, if they fall over in the playground, you can't give them a hug.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, there, there are all these rules about propriety.

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Yes.

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About being seen.

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Mm-hmm.

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And you'd think someone would be saying to the Dalai Lama, Well,

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his holiness knows everything.

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So when you've reached the top, like he has, nobody tells you

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anything and people are giggling and laughing as he's performing.

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That was the other weird part about this, was the rest of the

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crowd was founded highly amusing.

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Oh, the poor keel.

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Be traumatized for life.

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So, anyway, just on Religious people behaving badly.

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Continued.

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Brian Houston never happens.

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No.

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Brian Houston was blackout drunk, pulled over by police in California.

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He's alleged to have recorded a blood alcohol reading of 0.23, almost

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five times Australia's legal limit.

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That's nothing.

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Another fine example.

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And of course, Scott Morrison's favorite and referred to by Scott Morrison in

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his maiden speech about what a guiding light Brian Houston was for him.

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Yeah.

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Mm-hmm.

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Joe Soldiers of God.

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Yeah.

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I think it was recently.

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It was a couple of months ago.

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What was Brian Houston got called over.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that that drug in the drug drink driving incident was

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sometime in the last month or so.

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Yeah.

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Is that what you mean?

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Yeah.

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It's only a recent one, so yeah.

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Shaylin was asking.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Hello Shay.

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Good to see you there.

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Soldiers of God, I had this one sing for a while.

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So there's a religious rights group called Christian Lives.

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But of course they do.

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Yes.

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Obviously taking their name from Black Lives, black Mode Matter.

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Yes.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, born in Stratfield office in 2017 when the marriage equality vote

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prompted a group of conservative Catholics, many of them from the

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Maronite Church, to unite over fears that children would be corrupted by.

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B T Q stuff agenda in the mainstream.

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And so this group of Christian lives matter with a married, you may, they

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may discover that they're not the only people who are gay, that other

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people may be gay the same as them.

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Yes, yes.

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They resolve to stay united.

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Stay strong, pray and just be aware.

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And six years later, the group has 18,000 Instagram followers, its own

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merchandise and a growing public profile.

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Not bad for six years.

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Yeah.

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How many of those, how many of those are from the us?

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The Instagram followers?

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Yeah.

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Kai in the chat room.

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We're in the wrong game, mate.

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This podcasting, I can barely get 400 listeners.

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These guys will get 18,000 and they're selling merch left, right, and center.

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We are in the wrong game.

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So they're powered by anger, the mainstream attitudes to faith,

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and they're a very militant group.

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This one, so this is another sort.

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Offshoot or another category of Christian that we have to deal with now.

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I mean, we've got your typical conservative Catholics and Anglicans.

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We've got your crazy Anglicans in Sydney.

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We've got your evangelicals muscling in on politics, and now we've got this

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sort of maronite flavored bunch of thug.

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Who are ah, flavored maronite.

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Yeah, Maite flavored and maronite flavored.

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That's it.

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Joke.

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Bunch of thugs who are going around trying to beat people up.

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And so, one faction wears t-shirts branded with a cross and the

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words defenders of the faith.

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Another group faction called itself Day, the Latin term for soldiers of God.

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And tension boiled over into violence on a Tuesday night when a group of Protran

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protestors were attacked outside St.

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Michael's church in the southwest suburb of Bellfield.

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The church at the time was hosting a speech by that conciliatory figure

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one nation leader, mark Laham.

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Mm-hmm.

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So there's the sort of people that that want speaking to them and.

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Police had to take the shocked and bruised protestors a few

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blocks away to catch taxis.

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And as they waited, religious activists drove past filming themselves,

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shouting outta their car windows saying, fuck all back to Newtown,

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and don't come back to this area.

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You're grubs.

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So another lovely group of Christians, and if you think I'm exaggerating God's love.

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Don't you remember?

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Yes.

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It's all, it's all like the crusades, isn't it?

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Here's a bit of footage for those watching of how that all transpired.

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motherfucker.

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I'm all for people finding community.

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Joe, I'm surprised Maronite is Lebanese.

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I think that the Lebanese has a strong maronite.

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I was gonna say it's, it's not often that the Lebanese one nation are in alignment.

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Yes.

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Well, yes.

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I don't know.

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Is One Nation Is One Nation, okay with Italians and Greek and sort of European

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ish, sort of brown people, but just not those Islamic or people, it's.

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It's hard to, who knows?

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It's hard to work your way through the one nation cesspool as to what they are.

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Mm-hmm.

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Which people are okay with them.

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But yeah, there we go, Markham.

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And that's another group we've gotta keep an eye on is these

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guys who, what are big people up?

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We don't need.

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Resuming all over the world on this one.

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Do you listener?

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It's hard.

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It's gonna be hard to find a theme on this one, but I'll do my best.

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Joe Donald Trump?

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Yes.

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Some of this stuff is Finally charged.

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Yes.

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And really, you know, his tactic of course with all these things has been

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too delay and delay and to mm-hmm.

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Push things back as far as possible.

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But eventually it runs out of options.

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And this is him appearing in court the other day in New York.

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And I just love the entrance and how the court officials walk in and.

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You'll see how Donald Trump, basically, the doors nearly slammed in his face.

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He has to open his own door, which he's not used to doing.

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Here we go,

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president Trump, he didn't look happy, but he'd be so used to people

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sort of thorning over him, opening his doors and, and that bailiff just

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walked in and paid him no attention.

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He had to open the door himself.

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Interesting to see what happens within still on America.

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There's another shooting, Joe.

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I mean, of course there was another shooting.

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There'd be one going on right now.

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I tell every five minutes.

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I think there'd be one going on right now.

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This one was a little bit unique maybe.

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drivers in Florida, so it's Florida to start with.

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Mm-hmm.

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Two drivers started firing their guns at each other in a

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fit of road rage for no reason.

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One man had his five-year-old in his car and the other one had a 14 year old.

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Both of the children got shot just like our forefathers intended

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when they wrote the constitution.

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Twitter Sounds fair to me.

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As his Twitter person says and apparent.

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Charges were dropped against the guy who shot the five year old because of

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the stand your ground law, even though he also shot into a car full of people.

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So one guy already charges dropped.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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A friend from Florida said Florida is no worse than the other states, but it

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seems that way because the press have easy access to the police blotter.

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Oh, okay.

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So it's just, it, it's more we widely reported in Florida and that's

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why people have the impression.

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Ah, do you think that's the case?

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No.

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I think there are also a bunch of religious crazies that move

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down to Florida for the sunshine.

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Yes, I think that's the case.

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I don't know if we talked about, we've talked about our organ donation at

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different times, but there's a story about prisoners donating organs.

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Mm-hmm.

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And in January of this year, two democratic representatives proposed

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a bill that would offer prisoners in Massachusetts a new way to win

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reduction in their sentences by donating their bone marrow or vital organ.

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Nothing recent with that.

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No.

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Recently, however, these two have walked back their proposal and are planning

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to introduce the version without the promise of a sentence reduction.

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Gee, I wonder why prisoners are gonna be falling over themselves after that.

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That's right.

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So you mean I can donate an organ and I won't get a reduction in my sentence?

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Yeah.

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So.

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You do get to stay in the prison hospital for a few months, you

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get to eat better food from.

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Yeah.

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So these two are not the first state officials to propose turning

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to prisoners to help with organ supply problems in recent years.

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And I like this.

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This is the whole reason I wanted to tell this story, Joe, was this final paragraph.

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What was, some of the cases are quite unusual.

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For example, back in 2010.

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Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour suspended the life sentences of

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two sisters, Gladys and Jamie Scott, on the condition that Gladys

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donate one of her kidneys to Jamie.

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And the reason is, Her dialysis treatment was costing the state almost $200,000

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per year, and Barbour wanted to save money by facilitating the organ donation.

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Well, if you wanna save money, you just let the prisoners go, because he couldn't,

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obviously couldn't get away with that one.

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He couldn't turn off the dialysis, so, oh, no, no.

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I mean, just release.

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Oh yes.

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If the prisoners aren't in your care, then they're not your responsibility.

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You don't have to pay the guards, you don't have to pay food.

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Yeah.

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So, so yeah, that's that's that one.

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Is people still in the chat room or is this is this gone?

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No, no, there are people there.

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Okay.

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You've, you heard about the US and the abortion medication?

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No.

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So a.

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Texas judge, federal Judge has just made a ruling, which is pending for

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seven days that the f d a overreached when they approved an abortion drug.

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Are you 4 86, basically?

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Yep.

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For abortions saying that they didn't have.

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Remit.

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It wasn't in their remits to approve the drug, and therefore the drug shouldn't

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be allowed to be sold in the states.

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Mm-hmm.

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However, another federal court judge in a different jurisdiction has

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said that it would be illegal for the FDA not to approve the drug.

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Completely separate decisions and probably completely independently

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reached, but these two completely incompatible decisions came

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down at, around the same time.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I was watching a US lawyer who is very I would say he's right leaning.

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He certainly was happy with Roe v.

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Wade being overturned.

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Mm-hmm.

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And he said that he'd read this judge's.

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Ruling.

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Mm-hmm.

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A And said it was motivated reasoning.

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He said he'd come to the decision and then had strung together a

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bunch of very, very tenuous thoughts to try and justify his decision.

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No surprise there, but, but it was interesting to see

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this obviously right wing guy.

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Mm-hmm.

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Saying, yeah, there's, there's no legal grounds for this.

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Right.

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Even he had, I thought that this has crossed a line of

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basically legal reasoning.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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So unfortunately, if he gets bumped up to the Supreme Court, there's a

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very good chance that the Supreme Court will ban the drug in Texas.

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No.

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Across the us.

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Oh.

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If it's a Supreme Court ruling, it would be of course, yes.

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But then it would, Hmm.

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That would mean though that it Okay.

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The drug's been, even if a state wanted to enable people to have the drug, it

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might, it wouldn't be approved by the fda.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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There you go.

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Yeah, so, okay.

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Looks like we've got trouble, Joe, with the feed on Facebook dropping out.

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So sorry about that.

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Not sure why that would be the case, but we'll persevere.

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Maybe head over to YouTube and see if it's any better.

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But yeah, I mean everything seems fine from our end.

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I'll have a quick look.

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Yeah.

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Alright Joe, the tech guy will get onto that.

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Meanwhile, As you know, dear listener, I am fascinated

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with currency and with money.

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And really the more I read, the more I'm thinking that so much of

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traditional economics has got it wrong.

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And so there's guys like Stephen Keen and Michael Hudson and other

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economists who are looking at the classical economics and saying, these

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guys have have got it completely wrong.

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So, And as part of that, we are, we are moving towards a state where

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China's becoming more powerful.

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It's creating alliances with the Saudis with the French we'll talk about soon.

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With Iran, with a whole bunch of others, American power is slipping

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and the world is moving to a, to a regime where they no longer need to.

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The US dollar as the currency for international transactions.

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So with that in mind have a listen to Marco Rubio.

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Because America, when things are in US dollars can exercise power anywhere

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in the world because it's US dollars.

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They're dollars.

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But when they're not US dollars, their ability to sanction groups.

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Disappears.

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So here's Marco Rubio on a Fox News thing today, Brazil in our hemisphere, largest

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country in the western hemisphere south of us, cut a trade deal with China.

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They're going to from now on, do trade in their own currencies,

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get right around the dollar.

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They're creating a, a secondary economy in the world, totally

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independent of the United States.

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We won't have to talk about sanctions in five years because there'll be

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so many countries transacting in currencies other than the dollar that,

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that we won't have the ability to.

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There we go.

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He sees the writing on the wall.

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Poor America won't be able to sanction people anymore because it's

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things won't be done in US dollars.

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That's where we're heading to.

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Now I'll look, I've got something here that I normally would've

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put up on the screen, but dear listener, if you are listening

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to this podcast on A podcast app.

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We've got chapters and the chapters have pictures.

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So if you look at your app at the moment, you hopefully will see a couple of graphs

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show up, and one of them is showing the the, the revenue of Australian oil

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and gas sector, and then the share that the Australian government gets out of.

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And then it's a comparison to the Norwegian oil and gas.

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And dear listener, it is Chk and Cheese.

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The, actually, maybe I can put this up on the screen.

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Let me just try and add ah, Joe, how I share screen.

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Oh share screen.

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Yeah.

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Let me just see this one window, that one.

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There we go.

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So on the left the dark blue Australia's Australian industries,

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oil and gas sector revenue.

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And the orange is what the government gets.

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And on the right, Norwegian oil and gas sector revenue.

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And the orange is the share that the Norwegian government gets.

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So you can see it's absolutely chalk and.

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We are not getting enough tax and royalties from what these groups

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are selling compared to what say the Norwegians are getting.

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And you know, of course if we propose to increase these royalties

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or taxes, the industry groups would say, it's impossible.

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We can't afford it.

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You know, we'll, nobody will ever do business with you guys, but you've

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only gotta look at the Norwegians to see that they actually will.

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And here is a Norwegian.

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Politician talking about their experience, so I'll just play this guy.

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But I think that we can inspire each other and that we can learn from each other.

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So what I can do is to tell what Norway did and what Norway is doing,

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and then people, politicians in other countries have to look if there

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are anything they can learn from.

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And then just then to answer what we have done in Norway to say that

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the natural resources in the ground, that's something we own in common.

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It's not private ownership.

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So the natural oil and gas in the continental shelf is the ownership

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of the Norwegian state by law.

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But then we invite foreign companies to invest, invest to, to, to produce, and

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then of course they can sell the oil and.

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But partly we tax them quite heavily.

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It's 78% tax rate, and they told us that was impossible, that they comp

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and we tax them and they stay because they earn money even

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with the tax rate of 78% Second.

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Large part of the Norwegian oil and gas is also not, not managed by the

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oil and gas companies, but actually directly owned by Norwegian State.

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So we have two sources of revenue, partly by taxing the companies, but

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also partly by direct ownership.

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But just but just to, to to add one more thing, is that even if you

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have this strong state ownership to the resources, we have a very

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competitive oil and gas sector.

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We have, we have many foreign.

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And, and, and we are very looking, we are very, very much looking for competition.

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So we believe in the market, we believe in the competition.

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We believe in the open economy, but we believe that the extra rent, the, the,

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the connected to natural resources shall be something which is in the common

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ownership of the people of Norway.

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And that's why we have the strong state participation.

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The thing that gets me, Joe, is mm-hmm.

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We have these experiments that are running, that are proving

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that things can be done and still people talk as if it's impossible.

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Well, you like places where public, sorry, private schools are not legal.

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Yes.

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And you know, and places where they don't get any government funding.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And even from the American's point of view with their gun laws and they

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can look at a place like Australia and you know, we had some, you know,

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shootings change the laws, none and just you at various different things.

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Now you can look around the world and see examples of where a change

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in policy is possible and does work and it still gets denied.

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And you know, the problem is, Do we see any discussion

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of this in Australia at all?

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Like this?

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Just these are the major topics that should be discussed and No.

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Cause politicians are funded by the oil and gas companies.

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Yes.

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And the media like Murdoch, whatever, is supporting them as well.

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And still why isn't, you know, You, you've seen the photo that says this is

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what foreign interference looks like, and this picture of Rupert Murdoch.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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A and apparently he's no longer engaged.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Rumor on the grapevine is that she was too much of a religious nut affair.

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That's right.

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Yeah.

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Which is interesting cuz initially they said, oh, she shares my, we we share

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a strong religious bond or something.

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Yes.

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Who knows?

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I don't even think about it.

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I don't want to think about it.

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But yeah, she's.

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Didn't last long.

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Mm-hmm.

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Now the other interesting thing happening is China and France.

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So, Macron went to China and had discussions with with Winnie the Poo.

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Indeed.

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And and simultaneously there was some stuff to do with airplanes

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that we'll talk about, but basically After the event, Macron was in an

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airplane speaking with Politico and two French journalists after he spent

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six hours with the Chinese president.

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And Macron was talking to these journalists on the record about stuff.

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And he said, quote, the paradox would be that overcome with panic.

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We believe we are just America's followers.

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Laron said in the, I.

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The question Europeans need to answer, is it in our interest to

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accelerate a crisis on Taiwan?

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No.

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The worst thing would be to think that we, Europeans must become followers on

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this topic and take our cue from the US agenda and a Chinese overreaction.

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So, he said, Europeans cannot resolve the crisis in Ukraine.

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How can we credibly say on Taiwan, watch out.

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If you do something wrong, we'll be.

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If you wanna increase tensions, that's the way to do it.

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So apparently, yeah.

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On the record, he was saying stuffed a bunch of cheesy ing surrender monkeys.

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Y Yes.

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He was trying to hose down the ideas that France should get involved and that the

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rest of the world should get involved in a potential conflict over Taiwan.

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And apparently off the record, he said even further things along those lines.

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So he was saying, That g g would've liked to hear.

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And simultaneously Joe so Paris is on fire.

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That, but also Airbus is the French airplane manufacturing.

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Airbus, yes.

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And Boeing is the US you know, based airplane manufacturer.

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The two sort of dominant.

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Plane manufacturing businesses in the world, Airbus, French, Boeing, us, and

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Airbus has announced it's gonna launch a second assembly line in China's

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China factory as part of trade and tech deals between Beijing and Paris.

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And the decision will double production capacity at the company's Chinese plant.

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So, Airbus increasing airplane manufacturer in its factory in

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China, and so it's gonna deepen that.

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Separately also, China agreed to buy 160 Airbus commercial aircraft including

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150, a three 20 s, and 10 a three 50 s.

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So there was that, and Beijing played up the prospects of

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bilateral economic cooperation.

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Both sides will deepen cooperation in aviation, aerospace, and civilian

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nuclear power, which are our traditional areas of cooperation.

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We will cultivate new cooperation and new growth pillars in green

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development, in innovation, blah, blah.

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And he also said China, this is g said China would.

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Imports of France, of French agricultural products and called on

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both countries to offer fair, just and non-discriminatory business

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climate for each other's companies.

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So Joe France is breaking away from the us.

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It's not the first time side and China is saying, Good on you, France,

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here's a deal on some airplanes, and it's just going to create cracks

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in the sort of Western alliance.

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And finally, countries like France and Germany are going to go.

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We need our industries to go ahead and being America's buddy isn't

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helping us, and China's gonna cut deals and help drive this, wed.

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And isolate America through these sorts of economic deals.

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That's how I see it.

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Well, they ju they jumped outta nato.

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They've only just rejoined NATO in the last 10 years.

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Was it?

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Did they?

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Jumped out in the sixties from memory.

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Yeah.

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So, by the way China's civil aviation market is the second largest in the world.

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It's been dominated by Airbus and Boeing.

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However, the Chinese are now making a C nine 19 a narrow bodied passenger

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jet that can compete with the Boeing 7 37 and the Airbus A three 20.

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So, They're just gaining expertise, learning from the French.

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Mm-hmm.

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How do we make an airplane and then all the engineers and tech guys who

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are working on that, those skills be able to be transferred to on that.

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Then we'll have great wall airplanes.

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Indeed we will.

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Yep.

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So, indeed we will.

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And.

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Now I just wanna get onto my next part here and this is the next good thing

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that I can share this screen, Joe if, if it will let me okay, so this

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screen, dear listener, is cuz I've been talking for a while about how.

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America doesn't make anything anymore that Russia or China or any of these guys

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need, because they've de-industrialized.

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They don't make stuff anymore.

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It's just, it's just finance, agriculture, and I forgot that really the last sort of

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remaining things that Americans make are, besides weapons, bombs, military stuff

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are cars and, and the Boeing airplane.

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And this graph on the screen or the graph that you are looking at on your, on your

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iPhone or whatever you're listening to this podcast with, because the chapters

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have images, shows share of Saudi Arabia's, capital goods and metal imports.

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So, so the blue is what it used to import or what it imports from America.

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The red is what it red and orange and sort of shades of red are

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what it's importing from China.

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And as you can see at the very beginning of the graph back in 1992

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that dark blue USA transport the light blue USA machinery and both

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of those have shrunk dramatically.

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This is, this is Saudi Arabia buy.

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Machinery and transport stuff from the US and had virtually nothing from China.

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And now, 30 years later what you've got is buying from China metals, machinery,

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and transport, and it's overtaken what they used to get from America.

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So this is the sort of fundamentals of.

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Someone like Saudi Arabia is now going, well, we're buying

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all this stuff from China now.

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We're not actually buying the stuff from the usa.

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We are happy to deal on a currency of the Chinese one rather than US dollars

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because we need it to pay for stuff we that we're getting from China.

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That's how the world's changing.

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It's too late for America.

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Their only hope is.

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Create wars in the meantime, just lay down the demise.

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Oh, dear.

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So, this guy I did read one Twitter guy who said that this action by Airbus

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in creating an extra sort of factory output in China, he said that there's

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gonna run a risk that the Americans.

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Impose sanctions on, on Airbus.

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So we'll see what happens.

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Stop us companies buying Airbus.

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Yes.

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Stop air buses from landing stop.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All sorts of things.

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So it'd be interesting to see if if that happens.

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You heard it.

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Yes, because Concord was clobbered heavily by the us.

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What, what did the US do to it?

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So when Concord was first released mm-hmm.

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The lucrative route is between jfk, so New York to Los Angeles, and they banned

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supersonic Overfly to the United States.

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Right.

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So continental flights had to be subsonic, which basically meant

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that su that Concord couldn't.

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New York to Los Angeles.

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Right.

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And there were all sorts of scarce stories in the press around that time about how

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supersonic booms were gonna cause cows to have abortions and windows to break.

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And that's why they couldn't possibly allow it over the continent.

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It only had to be transatlantic.

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And Consul had been banking on being able to do that sort

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of transcontinental flight.

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That Right.

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And that ruin their business model.

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That was, that, that was the real money maker for them.

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Mm-hmm.

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So they, they stuck with the New York to London and New York to Paris.

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There you go.

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Not surprised Joe.

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Look it's gonna be a quick one.

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Dear listener.

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We're not gonna go too much longer, but Joe, often you see we've, I've

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in this podcast in the last eight years have looked at Happiness Index.

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And invariably who were the happiest people?

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The Bhutanese, the Fins.

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So, that is always sort of top of the table for for the Happiness Index

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in the last seven or eight years.

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But you didn't know that the Bhutanese don't measure G D P, but

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they measure national happiness.

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I didn't, no.

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Okay.

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And do they measure themselves as being happier than any other country?

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I don't know, but Right.

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They, they, they measure their country's progress about how happy everybody is.

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Right.

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Well, it's probably a better mo it's probably a better number than the

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gdp, as we've discussed on many times.

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Yes.

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You know, like America's G is inflated because of their outrageous medical

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health scheme is so expensive and that actually improves their GDP figures.

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So, yeah.

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You know, when a levy bank breaks in New Orleans and completely

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floods a city that's actually good for gdp, stuff like that, it's

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just an insane metric to be using.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, when we've been looking at the Happiness Index in previous years that

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Finland always comes out on top of, they don't actually measure happiness per se.

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What they're doing is they're looking at things like gdp.

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Per capita plus own housing ownership rates, plus other economic indicators

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and saying, oh, well if your G D P is so high and everyone owns a

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house and your education level is high, blah, blah, blah, then people

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you must be, you must be happy.

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You must be happy.

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Yes, exactly.

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And so anyway a survey was done by ipso.

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And they actually went around the world and asked people, are you happy in, you

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know, questions to do with satisfaction in life and happiness and things like that.

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Taking all these things together, various factors, would you say that

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you are very happy, rather happy, not very happy or not happy at all?

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And they're a big survey and, well, dear listener, one guest who came out on.

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Wasn't Finland?

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No, China came out on top, then Saudi Arabia, then the Netherlands,

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India, Brazil, United Am Emirates, Mexico, Columbia, Australia.

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But Saudi Arabia, they only asked the men who were natives.

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Who, I don't know the details.

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I dunno.

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But my point is it just goes to show you've gotta, we've gotta

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dig deeper into these surveys.

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All these things and say, well, hang on a minute.

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What were you really measuring?

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Because you're right, Joe, if you ask the immigrant population,

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the Filipino itinerant workers in Saudi Arabia, are you happy?

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Yes.

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It's hard to imagine that they were happiest in the world.

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It's like if you compare the number of rapes that happened

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in Saudi Arabia compared to the number that happened in Sweden.

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Mm-hmm.

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I, I'm sure Sweden has the higher rape rate.

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But that's because in Saudi Arabia you have to have two male witnesses,

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otherwise it's just premarital sex.

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Yes.

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And the woman gets punished.

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Yes, indeed.

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Yeah.

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It's gonna take all these things with grain assault.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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What else have I got here that I can do without getting into too much trouble?

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You, you, did you see?

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Picture I sent you just before the podcast started.

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No, I was busy wrangling grandchildren.

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Okay.

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At the, at the time, mightn't have sounded like it at the beginning of the podcast,

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somebody has put a number of Republican bases into one of the AI drawing programs,

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and then told it to imagine them as drag.

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Oh, right, okay.

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After the drag queen acts that are being passed recently.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So I shared with you a picture of mm-hmm.

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Mike Pence in a tutu.

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Oh, thank you for that.

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No, I didn't, you shared it with me.

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That's gonna be tough.

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Hang on.

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Mike Pence in a tt.

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That would be in is that gonna be in Messenger?

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Is Okay.

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All right.

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Let me quickly.

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Facebook Messenger, Mike Pence.

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You know it's gonna be worth it, Joe.

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Oh, yeah.

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Apparently there's a number of these, right?

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And the trick was to get, if you'd have just simply asked No, I, I think

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artificial intelligence to do it.

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So it was the before check, G p T was the latest thing.

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It was Picasso or something, right?

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That's not the one, but No.

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Why isn't that share screen.

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Hang a second.

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Why isn't that cheering?

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Yes, I think you just go, I got, I gotta go the right window.

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Here we go.

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There we go.

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There we go.

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Right.

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Apparently Mike Pence was being told he had to testify in relation

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to Donald Trump with January 6th, and he decided not to appeal.

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So he's quite more or less happy to testify.

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So, given Trump's treatment of him I was gonna say urging o of

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the Lynch, On January the sixth.

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Mm-hmm.

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I'm not surprised.

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Yes.

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Yep.

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So, okay.

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Take that off.

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Yep.

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I'm not sur well, yeah, I don't know.

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He seems the way he was treated, but he still seemed

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quite friendly to Donald Trump.

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Anyway, we'll see how light pans out.

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Right.

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Dear listener, given the circumstances It's gonna be a quick one.

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We're gonna finish off now.

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Landon Hardbottom did send a message at the last minute.

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But given my limited technical abilities in this makeshift studio,

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couldn't get it up and running.

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So, so we're not gonna get banned from fa YouTube.

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No.

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So next week you will have Landon's response to to us being struck

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off YouTube on one episode.

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So we'll have that and I think Scott will have recovered from his Hong Kong trip.

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So, he'll be back and we'll talk about a bunch of other things.

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So it's a quick one this week.

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But thank you in the chat room for all of your comments.

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Talk to you next week.

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Bye for now.