Henry meets Joseph Lengman, an academic and practitioner of peacebuilding and conflict resolution, who is the Director General, Plateau Peace Building Agency (PPBA) in central Nigeria. They talk about the synergies between academia and practice in peacebuilding, but also about the challenges posed by, among others, peace spoilers, Western epistemic domination, the limited commitment to research in Nigerian universities, and COVID. The conversation also touches on the need for decolonisation and reinventing Nigerian unity, as well as the various security threats facing the country at the moment.