If the goal of school is to learn, school isn't a game. But if the goal of school is to get a high score on a test, or raise the rankings of your university, or beat the competition to get into med school, then school looks an awful lot like a game, with winning more important than learning.

Ethan Hutt joins me to discuss the idea of school as a game, and how we can reduce the distance between learning and scoring.

Check out Ethan's book (co-authored with Jack Schneider) here: https://www.offthemarkbook.com/