In this compelling episode, Joe Fier welcomes Dr. Pam Smith, renowned author and hormone expert, to uncover the silent epidemic of endocrine-disrupting chemicals infiltrating our bodies through everyday products like canned foods, skin care items, and plastic water bottles. Dr. Smith breaks down how these toxins impact hormones (cortisol, estrogen, testosterone, thyroid, and more), contributing to a host of chronic issues and diseases. The conversation highlights cutting-edge solutions—especially Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE)—for detoxifying these persistent chemicals and offers practical advice for protecting your health and longevity.

Topics Discussed

• Endocrine Disrupting Chemicals (EDCs):
• What they are, where they’re found (BPAs, phthalates, Teflon, pesticides, etc.), and their link to hormone imbalances.
• Health Impacts of Toxins:
• The role of EDCs in diseases like breast and prostate cancer, diabetes, obesity, cognitive decline, autoimmune disorders, allergies, ADD/ADHD, and more.
• Difficulty of Detox:
• Why traditional detox methods often fall short, and the limitations before the advent of TPE.
• Therapeutic Plasma Exchange (TPE):
• How TPE works, its history in medicine, and its groundbreaking effectiveness in removing not just heavy metals, but also microplastics, mycotoxins, gadolinium, and more.
• Personalized Detox Approaches:
• When and why TPE is recommended, and Dr. Smith's own experience with environmental toxins and TPE.
• Prevention and Modifiable Risk Factors:
• Strategies to reduce toxin exposure—diet, exercise, stress reduction, and lifestyle habits.
• Hormones & Detox Interplay:
• The relationship between hormone optimization and the need for addressing toxic load first.
• Practical Lifestyle Recommendations:
• Mediterranean diet, organic eating, exercise benefits (from walking to dance), gut health, and daily de-stressing.

Resources Mentioned

• Dr. Pam Smith’s Book “How to Prevent Breast Cancer: Before and After” : https://www.amazon.com/How-Prevent-Breast-Cancer_Before-After/dp/0757005357 
• MD Lifespan: https://www.mdlifespan.com/ 
• Dr. Pam Smith’s Personal Website: https://precisionmedicineconsultants.net/

Two Other Episodes You Should Check Out

• How Toxins Impact Testosterone, Mood, and Longevity with Dr. Anne Truong
• Plasma Exchange: The Ultimate Detox for a Toxin-Free Life

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Could the very things you rely on for your convenience, things like canned

foods, skincare products, plastic water bottles, be the reason why your cortisol,

estrogen, and testosterone are at a sync.

Join Dr. Pam Smith today on this episode as she maps out the hidden pathways

of endocrine disrupting chemicals and reveals the cutting edge strategies

to clear them from your system.

Let's dive in.

Dr. Pam Smith.

It's, it's an honor to have you here and, and, um, you're part of

the MD lifespan team as well, so you're, you're constantly speaking

on a lot of what we'll cover today.

So I think, uh.

We will be able to cover a lot, you know, and, and I mean your,

your background extensive with the amount of books that you've written.

And I would like to give, actually have you do a quick, maybe 32nd synopsis.

Um, but it's, it, you're like in this very unique intersection of hormone

research and what you do in that space, but also with how it relates to

toxins and therapeutic plasma exchange.

And you work closely with, uh, MD Lifespan also, so.

Uh, I guess how are you doing today?

And also if you could give us a little quick background of

where your focus is primarily.

That'll kind of set the stage here.

Well thank you so much for the invitation today.

I greatly appreciate it.

Your, your podcast is absolutely stupendous and it gives us the

opportunity to really help people be healthy, uh, along with educate

them in many different areas.

Uh, basically today we're gonna look at what's called

endocrine disrupting chemicals.

Uh, that means chemicals in the body that, uh, cause your.

Pituitary hypothalamus and your adrenals not to work.

What does that mean?

That means it affects in both men and women, estrogen,

progesterone, testosterone, DHEA and your stress hormone, cortisol.

Uh, all of these are related to many things.

Uh, my newest book, book number 14 just came out and is how to prevent

breast cancer before and after.

So it covers how to prevent it and how to prevent a recurrence.

And there's a whole chapter on toxins, and then in the back there's a whole section

on what is here now and the future.

And a lot of that has to do with TPE.

I mean, 14 books.

So you've been, you've seen a lot, you know, you've, you've

spoken on a lot of topics.

I guess give me the overview, because I know hormones are kind

of like the cross section of, I think of most of your work, correct?

Uh, hormones have a lot to do with everything, uh, because

it's not just female hormones.

When we talk about hormones, it's thyroid.

The hormone that regulates.

Everything in your entire body, uh, to insulin, the hormone that

regulates blood sugar, uh, to obviously male and female hormones.

There's a lot of hormones in the body that you can discuss.

at a high level, how do you see how that plays in with toxins?

Since you wrote a chapter on it and you're, you know, the newest book

there, but it comes up in your talks.

I know all the time when you're, when you're jet setting around,

speaking about this kind of stuff.

Well, if you're looking at hormones, there really are endocrine disrupting

chemicals that interfere with the body and how it functions.

There's studies showing that it causes inflammation in the body if you have

endocrine disrupting chemicals in it.

Uh, probably the simplest one and the one that is most researched is

BPA, which stands for bisphenol a.

And this occurs in foods contaminated water.

And then you hear mighty some fancy names beside BPAs, like BPS and

BFAs and things of that nature.

But the most well researched is bisphenol a. Which isn't toys of tablewares and

plastics and medical devices and dental composites and polycarbonate bottles.

In fact, they literally did a study showing that 93% of people

in the US had BPAs in their urine to an appreciable level.

So they are everywhere, including cosmetics,

I mean, all the way to medical equipment you said, and I

mean, it's aligning our foods.

I mean all the, all the stuff and Yeah.

I mean, and there, there these hidden, it's this almost like a hidden epidemic.

This silent epidemic where I. This is, yeah, it's, I guess it doesn't

matter the age, the gender, you know, everybody has some kind of effect to,

I guess this what this relationship between hormones and toxins.

Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing there?

Oh, hugely so.

So you could start before someone's born because BPAs and other

toxins go through the breast milk.

They go through the placenta.

So a healthy mom.

Equals a healthy child.

Uh, we are looking at the fact that doing TPE therapeutic plasma exchange

in a mother before she achieves a pregnancy that will have less a DD,

we will have less obesity, will have less autism because all of these

things literally again, go through the breast milk and the placenta.

It is really BPAs if you want to equal them in toxicity.

BPAs are very, very strong estrogens and anti-androgens, meaning male hormones.

They're literally very strong.

So we could spend time talking to disease states that we know they're related to.

Bisphenol A does cause those endocrine changes.

But it's linked to heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes,

obesity, cancer, cognitive decline.

As we said, A-D-D-A-D-H-D.

Psychological changes.

Almost every autoimmune disease you can think of.

Allergies, kidney disease, liver disease, how your gut works,

skin disorders, infections.

I mean, there is medical literature on all of these for just bisphenol.

Mu lace less, less phthalates, and all the other toxins that we

could talk about for ad nauseum.

Geez.

Okay, so you hit all probably the biggest killers, right?

Of, of, I mean, if you were to look at all the stats, I mean, that, that's

horrible and I mean, and the fact that you said, what about 94, 90 5% of

people have this already in our system, some deep BPAs of, of, of some sort.

what's the, what's the solution here?

Yeah.

Because I feel like, well, I guess, yeah.

How do you think of it or how do you, how do you give people kind of hope in, in

knowing that this is everywhere and, um, awareness is kind of just starting, I feel

like, but I don't know if that's enough.

Well, part of the reason we started looking into this at MD Lifespan has to

do with the fact that BPAs, honestly, five years ago, we quit measuring

because we couldn't get rid of them.

We would put people in Asana, maybe get rid of 5%.

Uh, but until TPE, which we'll talk about, we had no way of getting

rid of most of these toxins.

And it's not just BPAs.

We're talking about pesticides and mycotoxins, which are fungus in the body,

and we're talking of about different chemicals that like teflons and what

happens with, uh, not just pesticides, but everything in the environment.

That is now in hearing all kinds of gadolinium and lead and mercury.

I mean, there's a whole host of things.

In fact, the tests that we do looking at toxins is 109 of the 40,000 or 140,000

toxins that are in the environment.

But the reason we started looking at this is that there were

people, we couldn't get better.

There were people that you could do anything for in a personalized medicine

approach, and they couldn't get better.

We also started seeing people younger and younger have low testosterone in males.

We solved altered sperm quality and quantity, so that infertility was an

issue from both the male female approach.

We started seeing so much obesity in children and A-D-D-A-D-H-D.

Uh, we started seeing people that couldn't even take hormones that were

natural because they were so toxic.

And they were so inflamed that they couldn't even take a hormone to

calm down the inflammation without getting rid of the toxic load first.

geez.

Wow.

Okay.

Why do you, I'm, I'm thinking about this, like, why would you think this

is overlooked in the medical care?

Um, you know, and routine?

Types of checks and whatnot, like, is it education?

Is it just the ability,

Well, part of that is we have better ways now of measuring a lot of these toxins.

Uh, certainly since the eighties we could get rid of lead, mercury and cadmium,

and we had great ways of chelating them out of the body by giving a chelating

agent like DMSA, uh, et cetera.

And we've always known for a long time that some diseases

are related to toxic metal.

Uh, but over the last 20 years it became more obvious, uh, in medical trials

that toxins were playing a bigger role.

We now have better ways of rid the body of them and better ways of,

of measuring them to begin with.

Yeah, so it's measuring and, and actually, so TPE being one of the

ways which, yeah, I definitely want to dive in a little deeper with you.

I wanna go back to, because you wrote the book on, on breast cancer there,

and you have a, a lot of others.

I'm curious how you see how this shows up differently in, in men versus women.

You know, you mentioned testosterone, uh, you know, declining, but then you have on

the women's side, estrogen, progesterone.

Like, so how, how does that all kind of play together?

Like how, how is, how is this kind of showing up differently?

Well, from the viewpoint of being an endocrine disruptor, meaning affecting

male and female hormones, there are studies showing that just BPA.

Can cause sexual behavior problems.

Accelerated puberty, uh, increases the risk of breast cancer.

Uh, it basically looks at how it changed the estrogen receptors.

We know that estrogen, there's er positive re breast cancer, PR positive

breast cancer, meaning progesterone, but it is, is affected by the receptor

sites and what binds to them and the estrogen receptor sites themselves.

Not just the hormone levels.

The receptor sites are affected by these chemicals.

Also, how they bind to the receptor sites are affected as well.

So there's many different fashions on how you get these

endocrine changes that occur.

Uh, so is there an increase in sperm issues?

Yes.

Is there an increase in infertility?

Yes.

Is there.

Problems with the menstrual cycle that may be related to endocrine changes?

Yes.

Are we seeing more PCOS?

Yes.

Uh, there's a study now on polycystic ovarian syndrome, PCOS, uh, that it

may be related to chemical toxicities.

Uh, PCOS was rare.

Uh, when I was in medical school 15 years ago, I was told I would see

four cases in my life my whole life.

Uh, it used to be called Stein Leventhal.

It's so common now.

I see 10 cases a week.

Uh, so a lot of this has to do with endocrine disruptors in the

body, uh, just related to hormones.

But when you're talking about males and females, just BPA itself, 'cause

I want to keep it simple for people as one toxin, it changes the heart

function, it thickens the heart.

When you have BPAs.

It causes the signaling pathways in the body not to work well.

So BPAs in both men and women are associated with chest pain, with heart

attacks, strokes, it also is associated with hardening of the arteries.

Uh, studies are suggesting that BPAs are associated with high blood pressure.

Uh, they did a big study in 2015.

It was published looking at about 500 people that were 60 and

over and high blood pressure was absolutely associated with BPAs.

Uh, they did really importantly, a study.

In 2016, looking at BPAs being associated with diabetes and high blood

sugar, and subsequent to that, they did another almost 30 studies showing

that diabetes insulin resistance, meaning how the hormone insulin works,

was also associated all of those with BPAs when it came to obesity.

There was a great study in 2020.

Showed that obesity was increased by 11% in both men and women.

It didn't matter whether it was the age of the patient, they still had 11% increase

in obesity just related to this one toxin and group of toxins must less the

other toxins that are in the environment and the bisphenol A in medical trials

has been associated with breast cancer.

Colorectal cancer, ovarian, prostate, and thyroid cancers directly.

Uh, there are numerous studies showing breast, prostate, all of

those as an increased risk in looking at what happens with BPA exposure.

for me, one of the big scary ones as well is cognitive decline.

I don't wanna lose my memory as I age.

My patients don't either.

In 2020, they showed that BPAs impaired memory and cognition.

Um, the other studies looking at it lacked people would lack focus.

So several studies showing that prenatal exposure, meaning the mother when she's

pregnant, caused hyperactivity in girls.

And then psychological changes.

We are seeing more people with anxiety and depression and things of this nature.

And there are many causes, but some studies showing that before you're born,

if you're exposed to BPAs, there's a higher risk of anxiety and depression.

There's a higher risk of aggressive behavior in boys as well.

And then lots of studies on BPAs and autoimmune diseases.

Um.

When I was in med school, there was only 24 autoimmune diseases.

There's now 109, so the immune system itself is kind of turned on and

autoimmune disease is when the body is attacking itself and the immune system

gets changed and gets altered with BPA.

Uh, so it will affect both immune systems.

The body has two.

The innate immune system and the adaptive immune system, it affects

both of them, uh, negatively.

Uh, so I mean, we could go on and on all day.

Allergies and asthmas, there's study from 2021 directly correlated levels

of BPA associated with the severity of asthma, with the severity of allergies.

It's even related to kidney decline.

The number one reason for kidney decline is diabetes, but we're now seeing some of

that is literally related to BPAs as well.

If people with what we call non-alcoholic fatty liver disease,

they have liver disease, but it's not related to alcoholism.

Some of that is related to BPAs as well, even gut disorders.

I mean, there's people who end up never being able to fix their gut, and they

do a gut health test, and they do a personalized medicine approach to fix

their gut and their reflux and gerd and all those other things that can

occur until we get the toxins out.

If some people just aren't helped.

And of course when it comes to skin, I always tell people when it comes

to your skin, start with the gut.

'cause psoriasis and acne, and many of those diseases are related to your skin.

But a study that came out in 2021 is now showing the BPA can be

a factor in the development of acne and the severity of acne.

So, I mean, there's a lot to talk about when we look at all of this.

this is, um, I didn't realize it, it affected so much in every, basically every

system, it sounds like, in our bodies, and it's such a new thing, you know,

BPA and like you said, all these changes in such a short period of time that our

bodies are having to adapt to in some way.

Or it's, like you said, the systems are just kind of overloaded.

They're fried it, it seems like, which, when did that lead to inflammation in.

All parts of the body, I would assume, right?

It does, and almost every disease is related to inflammation.

And again, a little bit heals too much causes disease.

Uh, they even looked at what happened when we did therapeutic plasma

exchange and people with COVID-19 that were sick in hospitals and

with people with COVID long haul.

A lot of that is also related to what happens in the body.

Uh, so when it comes to TPE itself, again, it has been around for 50 years.

So we know that TPE can help with many things.

So Kiro did a study a few years ago looking at the idea of longevity,

and that's kind of hard to measure.

I mean, how do you measure how long someone's gonna stay alive?

Some people say Tel Omes is a way of looking at it.

There's many ways.

But at MD Lifespan, we actually did the science.

We took TPE and we added nutrients and chelating agents and things

to decrease inflammation.

And for the first time, we are able to get rid of microplastics.

Nobody has ever been able to get rid of microplastics before.

Not nobody has ever been able to get rid of gadolinium.

That's the die you get when you have an MRI that die stays in you forever.

can you get that in other ways other than MRIs?

certainly 99% of

it.

Most.

Yeah.

Uh, we can get rid of a hundred percent of aluminum that people get from, you know,

cooking in aluminum and many other ways.

You can get aluminum BPAs of phthalates.

We got rid of up to 97% environmental toxins like

pesticides, up to 95% mycotoxins.

You know, when I did my own toxin test.

My BPAs and things weren't really high because I avoid things.

You know, having good air filters and not drinking out of plastic

and having filtered water.

I mean, there's avoidance has a lot to do with this, but I stayed obviously

in hotels, hospitals, not all places remediate when they get a water leak.

And so my mycotoxins were very, very high, and so I'm having TPE myself

right now to try and get rid of the mycotoxins, the fungus, the toxic molds.

And so we're, we're, we're getting great results.

selfishly, my own toxin test, which I broke down recently with

Dr. Savage on one of the episodes.

So if y'all haven't seen it or heard it, go check out that episode.

Yeah.

My, my mold or microtoxin.

Uh, so yeah, that the mold counts were just through the roof for some of 'em

and who knows where or how, or why.

But yeah, all, and, and I know they affect us all differently and.

So, so it's interesting you, so you mentioned there's, there's

other ways to detox and there have been in the past obviously TPE.

Now I would love for you to break that down from your perspective because this

is, there's such complex conditions I feel like, with things like mold, um,

things that, you know, there's cancer protocols I know as well, autoimmune.

I guess what are, what are some of the, the truths I'm thinking of?

Like what are some of the detoxification truths that.

Can apply to like, there's avoidance, there's, you mentioned sauna

and chelation, all these things.

But then I want to get into blood-based, which is TPE,

Absolutely.

So if you know, can you get rid of toxic metals with chelation,

with D-M-S-A-E-D-T-A, many of them you can, but not all.

You cannot get rid of aluminum, you cannot get rid of gadolinium.

Uh, so we can do a fairly good job since the eighties.

But then when you come to microplastics, endocrine disrupting things, Teflon, all

these other things, AstroTurf, I mean, these environmental things, really, we

haven't been very successful in medicine over time in getting rid of them.

And the same thing with toxic molds, and I thought all my mold was gone.

I did a smaller test of five toxic molds, and my test was negative.

And then I did the bigger test with 109, and I'm full of mycotoxins.

And so before we gave a chelating agent or actually a binding agent

like charcoal and clay, or you could give a medicine called cholestyramine.

By the way, it tastes terrible.

I mean, truly, it's chalky.

It's awful.

But I did that to get rid of it years ago.

But now all of this is either reac accumulated or we have

a better way of measuring it.

So having TPE is great and you just sit in the chair.

Okay?

Uh, so it's, it is not anything that is dramatic.

Uh, you sit in the chair, um, they, they take on one arm, you have an iv,

another arm, you have an iv, and out comes the plasma and one arm albumin

goes back in and the other arm, uh, so that we can take out the toxins.

Uh, we do also take out your medicines by the way.

Uh, we take out your nutrients, so before you leave, we do an hour

of IV therapies, uh, to help that.

And again, we go chelating agents and things to decrease inflammation.

If people have had memory issues or they wanna prevent memory loss,

then we may give other things as well to help with memory.

Uh, 'cause there's a lot of studies on many things that are from memory.

So what do we do?

TPE for certainly prenatally to help have a healthy baby.

Uh, my friend who's a pharmacist, I sent him over because he had a heart

attack and he really wanted to decrease the plaing in the vessels of his heart.

Uh, so he had three sessions of TPE and for most people, they

need three to five sessions.

He had three sessions, and then we repeated his toxin test, which

I just went over with him today.

Literally, and it was amazing.

His hardening of the arteries was down 17%.

His kidney function was better, which we didn't even expect.

His kidney function improved and his toxins were much better,

uh, on just three treatments.

So he really has improved what's going on, um, with his heart when

it comes to autoimmune diseases.

We have one patient that has four autoimmune diseases.

Because, you know, one begets another, so people commonly get another one.

She has four.

And with TPE, I think she's gonna end up with one we may not get

rid of, but I think the other three were gonna be successful.

Uh, what we didn't realize is that for a lot of people that have long haul COVID,

a lot of people that have chronic Lyme were able to bust the biofilms and help

with, with chronic Lyme disease as well.

Uh, and then we, we did a group of patients that did something

called the gall test, which looks at pre-cancerous cells.

Oh,

And so, you know, we can have healthy cells, and then over here we have cancer

cells, but there's pre-cancerous cells.

And so we took 10 people, uh, that have pre-cancerous cells.

We did TPE, and all of those people had normal cells again.

So one of my friends who was recently diagnosed with breast cancer, she's having

a bilateral mastectomy next week, and she's gonna have her chemo, et cetera.

Uh, and then she's gonna have TPE.

So her goal

is not to get,

yeah, not to get a recurrence.

So she's gonna do the conventional treatment, which is hugely important,

and then she's gonna try and prevent a recurrence by getting rid of

some of the things that may have caused it to begin with, like to.

Sense.

Wow.

That's cool.

Okay, so I, I'm, I'm curious, could you talk a little bit more

on maybe the cancer side of things?

'cause I, I mean, you wrote a lot of books and, and some of these read on, you know,

breast cancer, you mentioned how breast cancer is similarly related to prostate.

Um, so on the news, you know, president Biden was just diagnosed, uh, as well.

So I mean, like, it's.

I've known people unfortunately have passed away from it as well.

I'm sure we all have know someone affected by one of those diseases.

So, uh, I don't know where to start here, but like, I, I just wanna understand

more of how it relates to cancer and how TPE, you know, how someone could

consider using that treatment as part of their, their, um, you know, the,

the treatment plan that they might be going through or thinking about.

Well, if you take just for example, breast, and again, prostate is

very closely associated with that.

If you take just breast cancer, there's what we call modifiable risk factors

and non-modifiable and modifiable.

The non-modifiable are ones we can't change.

Like maybe you have the brokerage gene or something like that.

That is not changeable.

The great news is there's over 16 modifiable ones.

Ones that we can actually change.

So it does matter if you have children, if you don't.

It is a risk factor.

It's just one.

So if people listening today have never had children, that's okay.

Okay.

Because there's other things that you can fix as well.

Uh, so it does matter if you have your children before the age of 31.

It does matter if you methylate properly, meaning put a CH

three group where it belongs.

I have breast cancer on both sides of my family.

So you probably everybody guessed I am a poor methylator.

I inherited a gene where I don't put that little ch three group where it belongs.

And because of that, the good news is you can fix it, you

can measure it, it's fixable.

Uh, so that's another risk factor that we can go with.

Uh, risk factor for breast cancer is obesity.

So you can lose weight.

Uh, risk factors, insulin resistance where insulin does

not work effectively in the body.

We can prevent that from happening.

If it's already happened, we can help that.

Uh, another risk factor is obviously toxins.

So we can get rid of the toxins and unless it's toxic metals, the rest of

the environmental toxins that occur, honestly our best, gotten rid of by TPE.

That's what the studies are showing.

I'm thinking now of like hormones back to that and, and detoxing.

So is there a procedure of how you approach that?

Like when you combine, let's say optimizing hormones with like

some serious detox, like TPE,

There's different ways of detoxing.

So if you take hormones that goes through the liver is 75% of the detox, okay?

25% is through the gut.

So the liver's called phase one, phase two, and you can take nutrients

that will improve phase one and phase two, and how you eliminate

hormones like estrogen from the body.

Okay.

Or testosterone or whatever, any of the hormones that are sex hormones.

Phase three is through the gut, so fixing the gut is helpful, but

there are many people who we do that with, and they still are toxic.

They still have hormones that don't belong there, or these

endocrine disrupting hormones.

And the only way of getting rid of endocrine disrupting hormones

from a big portion of them is therapeutic plasma exchange.

So it is becoming something that is going to be taking hold and will

change medicine for the next 20 years.

Uh, I, I get goosebumps every day of my life.

Uh, that we can now help people in such a dramatic fashion and, and get these

toxins out and lower inflammation in them.

Uh, people can come to Chicago and have it done.

They can come to Detroit.

Uh, they can come to Orlando very shortly.

You, shortly you'll be able to come to Houston and New Jersey and Colorado.

Uh, so very shortly, there'll be numerous centers that are

really based on groundbreaking research that is publishable.

It's so cool.

Yeah.

And I know studies have, have come out just, uh, what early May MD Lifespan

published, you know, Dr. Savage and I think you were on there as well.

Uh, yeah, so that's, we'll, we'll probably outline one of those, you

know, that study and, and future ones on future episodes as well.

that's actually what one of the things I was GE thinking about too is just you

seeing so much of like the progression of, of just how this has come to

be and you're playing a key factor.

Like Yeah.

Tell me what excites you the most.

I mean, you get goosebumps thinking about the fact that you can help

people now, because I think for a long time you couldn't even test Right.

And see what, but then when you started testing and

understanding what's in our bodies,

It is

starting in about 2017.

We saw a dramatic change where there was just people we couldn't fix.

We started seeing, you know, breast cancer until recently has been a

cancer that increased with h. And that's still in my brand new book.

And for those people, here's the cover.

Okay?

It's still in my book, but now we're starting to see breast

cancer in people that are younger.

And we're seeing breast cancer in 25 year olds.

We're starting to see low testosterone in men when they're 30 instead of

seeing it when they're 50 years of age.

So starting in about 2017, we started seeing this dramatic shift.

Where people were so toxic, they had such an cumulative added together toxic

load that we really have to detox 'em before we can help 'em be healthy.

It does affect the mitochondria, the engines of the body, and so if we wanna

have enough energy and all of those things, you have to have detoxification.

The the body just has to work.

Yeah.

And, and mitochondria is the, the core piece.

Yeah.

It's like, it's, that's driving everything upstream, right?

It, it does.

I'm, I'm

thinking of, um, like when toxins are addressed, so through TPE and,

and other detoxification, you know.

Supplementation that happens.

'cause there's a lot within the protocols like plasma

exchange from, uh, MD Lifespan.

I know there's all sorts of things in between the sessions as well.

Um, what, uh, I guess what else could people be doing to support their vitality?

Feeling good, you know, outside of toxins and, and hormones.

Are there other lifestyle factors that people should be thinking about and

absolutely.

When you talk about inflammation, it starts with how you eat.

So eating a Mediterranean diet is always the best.

People ask me, oh, what should I eat?

Should I fast?

Should I do this?

Should I do that?

Should a Mediterranean diet

so what are, um, and, and I could look, you know, we can look this up of

course, but like, what would be some examples of like a, a pretty solid

routine on Mediterranean diet there?

So a Mediterranean diet, for example, one of the mainstays of their red

meat is lamb, because lamb is the most easily digested meat there is.

And almost all of the fat and lamb is omega threes the kind that decreases

inflammation in the body and, and of course, organic is a must.

Uh, there's so many toxins that occur from the pesticides that

you can, eating organic will matter in your overall health.

Uh, I was very lucky.

My mother grew up on a farm that was organic and so until I went

to college, I honestly never ate anything that wasn't organic.

so we, we went out, we picked the vegetables and we froze them

and we canned them and, and we even made our own jam and jelly.

And so I, I, that, I attribute that to the fact that this is my natural color of

hair at the age of, uh, just 71 in July.

That's incredible.

Yeah.

Good for you.

I'm on the other end of the spectrum at 40.

But it looks good on you.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

But I mean, so many life factors aren't lifestyle factors, so So diet being what

you would call that, the biggest one then,

It is along with exercise.

Uh, honestly, I don't like exercising.

Uh, I, I do not get the high that some people get out of exercising, but I

started exercising when the studies showed that exercise helps detoxify the body.

Then studies showed that exercise was paramount for memory.

So then I went, oh, I've got to do it.

But now there are studies literally showing that exercise

helps prevent breast cancer.

So do I get there out there?

I do.

When we leave this podcast, I will be going to exercise.

'cause usually I do that in the morning.

Today I was not able to, but I will still get it in.

Yeah, yeah.

What, what, um, for someone who didn't originally love to exercise,

what do you, what do you default to

Uh, the great thing is it can be anything.

I'm gonna go walk around a lake for about three miles, which will be grand.

If you like me and you love dancing, there's a medical trial showing

the ballroom dancing is exercise.

And if you wanna maintain memory, square dancing is great for

it 'cause you hear the calls.

Uh, so there's a lot of different things that are exercised beside pumping air.

Right.

okay.

That's good to know.

I like that.

It's just get out there and move and yeah.

It sounds like you tie your brain to the movement as well, and

Yeah, there's.

Are there any other, I would say daily habits, and maybe we'll end

on this, some actionable things that people can do that can make a

difference in protecting our hormones.

I'm thinking like after you kind of balance things out, get things, so to

prevent further disruption down the line.

Just de-stress.

Do you stress?

no matter how stressful the world is, will help all of us.

You'll detoxify better if you're less stressed.

It balances the rest of your female and male hormones if you're less stressed.

So if I could just choose one thing.

Take a chill pill and actually prayer, meditation, tai chi, yoga,

qigong, exercise, massage, breathing technique, acupuncture, acupressure.

Take a little time for yourself and really help yourself be healthy.

I was just gonna ask you for a couple and you just listed like

the full encyclopedia, so like, if, if you don't have an idea,

y'all, um, definitely yeah, go.

Just try one of those that you just listed and Dr. Pam Smith.

I mean, this is.

I've chatted with you before, and this is like a whole nother

angle now, you know, that we've taken here on this on this show.

So thank you for, for bringing your wisdom here.

And, um, you know, you're, you're also working with MD Lifespan,

like I said, and Dr. Savage, what?

Director of education?

Chief Growth Officer.

So you're out there speaking on this stuff all the time.

What's a, what's a great way people can go and follow you personally?

Go find your books and dive a little deeper.

Uh, actually you can just go on Amazon and find any of my

books, uh, that you wanna find.

That's always the best way because like, for example, this book, the references

are not in here, they're online so that they're updated all the time, uh, so that

you get continued update information.

Uh, you can also go to my website.

Uh, obvious name and you can go to my website and see any speaking

engagements I may have in your area.

Awesome.

Well, I appreciate you so very much.

I know we all do, you know, at MD Lifespan, Dr. Savage, um,

and hopefully those watching and listening to got something.

So, uh, appreciate your time and we'll talk very soon.

Thank you so much for the invitation.

I appreciate it.