E2: D.B. Cooper - Bourbon, Bills, and a Breeze

Episode 2 • 9th July 2025 • The House of Syx • House of Syx

[00:00:02] Good evening passengers. Flight 3 0 5 to Seattle Tacoma is now boarding at Gate 52. All ticketed passengers should proceed to the gate for immediate departure.

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[00:00:15] She thought it was a phone number. He told her it was a device He called himself Dan Cooper. He vanished into the wind with $200,000 in a parachute. 50 years later, we still don't know who he was, where he went, or if he even made it to the ground alive.

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[0:00] Jenn: welcome to the house of six.

[0:00] I'm Jen.

[0:00] Jared: I'm Jared.

[0:00] Jenn: You sound very peppy.

[0:00] Jared: I'm very, very peppy. I was not peppy enough our first episode.

[0:01] Jenn: Yeah. So I'm

[0:01] Jared: trying to bring the pep.

[0:01] Jenn: Let's talk about the first episode. I cut the piece out and I put it at the end. 'cause I wanted it to be a real reflection of how we were feeling in the moment.

[0:01] Yeah. Which wasn't great.

[0:01] Jared: Right? It was just a little challenging. Yeah.

[0:01] Jenn: It was. What did you get out of it that we need to do better?

[0:01] Jared: Uh, I don't worry about it that way or look at it that way. It's, , this is a work in progress where, I think as we talked about it after I was a little thrown because even though I guessed what the first topic was, , it was still a challenge for me.

[0:01] That's the best way to put it.

[0:01] Jenn: That's not really a subject that you

[0:01] Jared: specialize in.

[0:01] Jenn: No. Or that, but also you are not really into that stuff. You don't watch the documentaries like I do. You'll watch a documentary with me. Yeah. And sometimes you start. The documentary. Yeah. Bring it up. But you don't really watch that stuff.

[0:01] Well, so maybe the subject matter was a bit much for you for the first go a bit.

[0:02] Jared: Yeah. Maybe it was. Yeah. Yeah. But you, you know, you gave

[0:02] Jenn: evisceration.

[0:02] Jared: Okay. You gave me a little insight into this. One is the fact that today is not, dealing with, it's more true crime in general, not necessarily death.

[0:02] Jenn: I, I picked, I picked it. I figured that I, I should have thought that through and not started with intestines.

[0:02] Jared: Okay. Fair.

[0:02] You started the very first podcast was my, with what you wanted, right?

[0:02] Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. And really, this is about me.

[0:02] I've taken a different tactic this time, but also I found that I was monologuing.

[0:02] The first go around and you were doing the opposite of that, which is not talking.

[0:02] Jared: Okay, let's improve it. Starting today.

[0:02] Jenn: Yeah, yeah, yeah. onto today's topic, I'm gonna let you guess again to see if you know what I'm gonna talk about.

[0:02] Jared: I, I, I don't have a guess today. ,

[0:03] Jenn: No, you have to guess you.

[0:03] Jared: Well, okay. Fair. You said that we're not going to do, , alien type stories, or at least not anytime soon.

[0:03] , You told me it was more, you know, I guess you could say mystery versus murder. Murder, yeah. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Some type of bank heist.

[0:03] Jenn: It's D.B. Cooper. Okay.

[0:03] Jared: Yeah. I, yeah. So this another, another hit of yours. Yeah. Yeah.

[0:03] Jenn: It is a, it is a top 40 hit for sure. I was going with, I wanted , to do something where you wouldn't be uncomfortable and something that you may know a little bit about.

[0:03] Yeah. Because I personally have watched every single DB Cooper documentary that exists.

[0:03] Jared: You have, and that, which means I've at least watched half.

[0:03] Jenn: Yeah.

[0:03] Jared: Yeah.

[0:03] Jenn: Correct. So I thought I would go with something that you know about where you could provide your very important insight. Oh, okay. And give, have a little bit more.

[0:04] Right.

[0:04] Jared: The pressure's on I got it. Interaction. Yeah. Yeah.

[0:04] Jenn: Okay.

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th,: 1971

y with cloud cover. And being: 1971

[0:04] Cigarettes and still coffee.

[0:04] Jared: I like it.

enn: I feel like that's what,: 1971

[0:05] Jared: Okay.

[0:05] Jenn: He is described as white, mid forties, around five 10 to six feet tall, 170 to 180 pounds with short neatly combed dark hair. And he is clean shaven. He is wearing a dark suit jacket and matching trousers. A white starched collared shirt. Narrow black clip-on tie with a mother of pearl.

[0:05] Tie clip, , a black raincoat, a pair of dark loafers, and most notably, a pair of large dark sunglasses, which he wears indoors.

[0:05] Jared: Yeah. Little men in Blackish.

[0:06] Jenn: This man walks to the Northwest, orient Counter, buys a one-way ticket to Seattle paying cash. It was $20 for a 30 minute plane ride. He gives the name Dan Cooper. No ideas required at this point in time, no questions asked.

no security screening. It is: 1971

[0:06] Yeah, get on a plane and do whatever you want.

[0:06] Jared: And he might have, as we're gonna talk about,

[0:06] Jenn: I know it's gonna happen.

[0:06] Jared: Yeah. Okay.

[0:06] Jenn: Dan Cooper boards a Northwest Orient Flight 3 0 5, which is a Boeing 7 2 7 with three rear mounted engines and an air stair door under the tail. A feature that no commercial air craft.

[0:07] Has at this point in time.

[0:07] Jared: Oh, okay. Didn't know that

[0:07] Jenn: or ever lesson learned, right? Maybe right. Spoilers. The flight is lightly booked. There are 37 passengers, six crew members including Captain Williams Scott First Officer William Za. I'm sorry if I got that wrong. Flight engineer, Harold Anderson and flight attendants, Alice Hancock, Tina Mucklow and Florence s Schaffner Cooper sits in seat 18 C, which is an aisle seat almost to the very rear of the plane.

[0:07] He is polite, he is soft spoken. He doesn't make small talk, and he is just, seems like a normal dude doing his thing.

[0:08] Jared: 18 C was near the rear of the plane. That's caught my attention. In fact, 18 C is barely outside of first class these days. You know,

[0:08] Jenn: it's

[0:08] Jared: size of the plane.

[0:08] Jenn: It's, I don't know if it's even in Delta.

[0:08] Comfort Plus,

[0:08] Jared: right, right.

[0:08] Jenn: Yeah, yeah. He's in the back. Although, statistically speaking, the back of the airplane is safer when you are in an airplane crash than any other part of the aircraft.

[0:08] Jared: So they say,

[0:08] Jenn: yes, I have watched all of the documentaries on the airplane crashes. Many too many

[0:08] Jared: actually. Yes.

[0:08] Usually it's right when I'm, I would be getting ready to go on a trip and I could walk into the room and see that. Yeah,

[0:08] Jenn: sorry.

[0:08] Jared: No wonder I don't want you to make me a cocktail.

[0:08] Jenn: Ooh, those are not related whatsoever. Anyways, He immediately lights a rawly cigarette because of. Of course you should light up a smoke in a metal tube, thousands of feet above the earth filled with oxygen and jet fuel, but

[0:09] Jared: cool, different time.

[0:09] Jenn: He orders a bourbon and soda. Classy, classy, pays in cash, leaves a tip, uh, sips, drinks, smokes, and weights.

[0:09] At 2:50 PM the plane is pushed back from the gate taxis and takes off towards Seattle around 3:00 PM Once Airborne, Flor, Florence s Schaffner, the flight attendant starts regular service. Uh, she walks past the man in 18 C and he hands her a small folded note very, very discreetly. I. She doesn't read it.

[0:09] She probably gets hit on all the time. Yeah, that's

[0:09] Jared: what I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah. Do you like mean check, yes or no? Yeah. No. He,

[0:09] Jenn: he, he, she's thinking business guy. He's going home, shooting his shot, puts it into her pocket,

[0:09] Jared: looking at shoot his shot.

[0:10] Jenn: And she walks past Cooper as she's walking past, leans towards her slightly and very calmly, but firmly says, miss, you'd better look at that note. I have a bomb

[0:10] Jared: attention gotten.

[0:10] Jenn: I have a bomb.

[0:10] Jared: Yeah.

[0:10] Jenn: I have a bomb. I have a bomb.

[0:10] Jared: Trying to determine how you should best say it to get, I'm trying to

[0:10] Jenn: How do you,

[0:10] Jared: how do you grab someone's attention to really mean that I have a bomb?

[0:10] Have a bomb. Right, right.

[0:10] Jenn: I have a bomb. Anyways.

[0:10] Jared: I think you covered 'em all.

[0:10] Jenn: I could keep going actually. I have, I have about 17 more versions, but I'll, I'll spare everybody. All right. I have a bomb. This just changes everything. Yeah,

[0:10] Jared: it should.

[0:10] Jenn: It should.

[0:11] We're gonna take just a little bit of a pause here and we're gonna talk about the what is going on historically and socially at the time.

ause I think that it matters.: 1971

[0:11] , All for a war that people were not believing in anymore. , Protest protests were still flaring up on college campuses. There was draft dodging, flag burning, military funerals. This was all a part of the national landscape at the time. Richard Nixon was in his first term as president and trust in the government was already starting to fray.

[0:11] I could make a connection to today and, , how things are going politically in our world.

[0:12] Jared: World. That's a whole nother podcast. Like an actual, another channel, another everything. Yeah. We got plenty of material though. With that said,

[0:12] Jenn: moving

[0:12] Jared: on. Yeah,

[0:12] Jenn: moving on. That June, , the Pentagon papers were leaked and this was a very confidential report.

[0:12] That essentially revealed the US government had been lying for years about the war that we were in. The public was angry and extremely suspicious, tired of all these shenanigans. , The economy wasn't helping that August, , Nixon threw the whole world for a loop and took the us us off of the gold standard. Inflation was rising, unemployment was rising. Wages were stagnant.

[0:12] And essentially this was just the beginning of a storm that nobody really understood quite just yet. Again, I could compare this to our current climate.

[0:13] Air travel at the time was extremely casual at this point in the security sense. , Airport security was minimal. You could walk onto a plane with a suitcase, no questions asked. No Id, didn't matter what you had in your bag. This was obviously before the days of TSA didn't exist. And essentially if you had $20 in a clean suit, you could fly across the country, right?

[0:13] Culturally, things were shifting. , Optimism of the sixties was dying. , Rebellion was still floating about, but it wasn't, uh, free, free love and flower power. It was disillusionment and distrust. So that's the world tense skies, unraveling government, a country at war, questioning ideals, living paycheck to paycheck.

[0:14] It sounds like I'm talking about today.

[0:14] So much to say about

[0:14] Jared: this. There is so much to say.

[0:14] Jenn: There is so much to say.

[0:14] Jared: Db Cooper though,

[0:14] Jenn: DB Cooper.

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[0:14] Jenn: We're back on the plane. It's roughly 3:00 PM You are Florence Schaffner. You have been handed a note and he says, miss, you better look at that note. I have a bomb.

[0:14] Jared: I like that one. That was good.

[0:14] Jenn: All right, so. She opens the note. It is typed very clean, very businesslike in a non-threatening tone. Although I think anytime you say, I have a bomb that's should be be threatening. An immediate get threatened. Yeah. Uh, it says he has a bomb and demands that she sit beside him. Obviously she sits down, he cracks open his briefcase just enough to show what's inside, and she sees eight red cylinders, a bad Aline and Simpsons.

[0:15] Jared: I am going to think TNT.

[0:15] Jenn: That's right.

[0:15] Jared: So that's, I mean, I'm immediately gonna think of, now is that because of old westerns? Is it because of old, that's actually what Nancy looks like. Cartoon. Right? It is actually red cylinders.

[0:15] Right. But I haven't, that still also will be a flare, but I've never held one, you know, and going, this is cool. Um, so, you know, that is what we think. And now the battery, I'm sure, you know, look, I'm not a, , electrical or mechanical engineer, so therefore I'm assuming that's just some type of, , charge that would, , ignite said TNT.

[0:15] Jenn: I think Car, Wiley Coyote, 100%. Sure. Sure. That's what I, when I saw that description of the bomb, I went Wiley Coyote. Yeah.

[0:16] Jared: My favorite cartoon as a kid. I'm okay with that.

[0:16] Jenn: Really?

[0:16] Jared: Yeah. Roadrunner, come on.

[0:16] Jenn: Does, this is very annoying. Yeah. Look, the coyote was predictable. He did the same, like it was too easy to beat him.

[0:16] Jared: I understand.

[0:16] Jenn: All you have to do is paint like a fake

[0:16] Jared: tunnel.

[0:16] Jenn: Tunnel on a rock. And he is, it's just, I, yeah, he's dumb. It was very upsetting. I think I like the Flintstones.

[0:16] Jared: Yeah. That's what could do.

[0:16] Jenn: Also. Dumb man and dinosaur did not live at the same time. They didn't. True. Moving on. All right, so she sits next to him.

[0:16] He then gives her his demands, , written down. He wants $200,000 in cash, four parachutes, two front shoots, and two back. I'll get into that later. A fuel truck ready in Seattle. And no funny business. I'm sure if I saw a bomb, I wouldn't have the reaction that I immediately thought of when I saw no funny business.

[0:17] My immediate response would be, it's time for fucking funny business, right? Like, this is where you make a joke. You should joke about this right now. It, it's probably different when you're threatened with being, when blown outta this, you're there

[0:17] Jared: right when you're there,

[0:17] Jenn: right? Florence takes this information, , walks to the cockpit and relays the message.

[0:17] The pilot, captain William Scott Smith, radios ahead to Seattle Tacoma Airport and contacts, air traffic control and Northwest Orient hq. From there. The FBI is alerted and the plane is instructed to continue cruise. It's only a 30 minute flight. They're, they're probably nearly there at this point.

[0:18] , So they began to circle the airport, which turns into the longest short flight ever. , Cooper remains calm, courteous, and eely polite. He orders another bourbon and soda pays for it continues to tip this guy plus hack. He's a

[0:18] Jared: gentleman.

[0:18] Jenn: He is, I I love a polite terrorist. Sorry. , He allows all 36 passengers to stay seated and never threatens anyone directly.

[0:18] In fact, they had no idea anything was even happening.

[0:18] Jared: That's what I thought. Yeah. 'cause you would. Maybe have someone try to intervene, but yeah, I figured they didn't even know what was going on.

[0:18] Jenn: I don't know. At this day and age, pre nine 11.

[0:18] Jared: Yeah. But still

[0:18] Jenn: people really didn't.

[0:18] Jared: Yeah, well I guess if you could smoke and drink and all that stuff.

[0:18] I mean, of course you can drink on a plane, but if you were that laid back in that day and age, maybe didn't care. I don't know.

[0:18] Jenn: I apparently not. Well, they didn't even know anything was happening. I mean, flight delays happen all the time. Airports are busy. Yeah, it is rainy. There's stuff going on. They could think that it's a weather situation.

[0:19] We don't know. That speaks to, the cockpit crew and the flight attendants. They continued to maintain, , standard cabin service. They acted naturally. They didn't alarm anybody. They didn't make public announcements, changed, timelines, anything like that. They just went business as usual.

[0:19] Flight attendant, Florence Schaffner later said, I tried to act as though nothing was wrong, and I think I succeeded. , I'd have to agree because passengers later reported that they had no idea anything unusual was happening. Just that the flight took way too long. Yeah.

[0:19] Jared: There was a bomb on my plane. What?

[0:19] That was one of the, that was one of the guys that, that was good. It was good.

[0:19] Jenn: That was good. Meanwhile, the FBI is scrambling to put together the ransom money. , Northwest orients President Donald Niro gives immediate authorization to pay the Ransom standard issue at the time. Yeah, this was , common practice, so the FBI quickly secures $200,000 in, used $20 bills from Seattle Banks.

[0:20] The bills are photographed and serial numbers are recorded to a total of 10,000 bills. Which I thought, I bet that's heavy. 22 pounds.

[0:20] Jared: Hmm. Well, yeah. Okay. 22 pounds. Okay.

[0:20] Jenn: The cash is bundled into a small bank bag and prepared for a covert delivery.

[0:20] They had to get four parachutes fast. They contacted a skydiving school near Seattle, Iqua Skyport, and the McCord Air Force Base, which is just south of ctac. And they received two civilian sports parachutes that were fully functional and two reserve shoots, one of which turned out to be a dummy training shoot, and thus was non-functional.

[0:21] And this was unintentional. They didn't mean to do it, but. Most of these dummy shoots are, there's no rip cord, and it's essentially used for training exercises where obviously they're not deploying out of a plane.

[0:21] Don't,

[0:21] Jared: uh, don't use that one. Don't use that.

[0:21] Jenn: At 5 24, the flight lands at CTAC Airport and Cooper has given precise instructions to dim the cabin lights, bring the cash and shoots via one person only.

[0:21] No police or snipers don't release passengers until the goods are delivered. So at least he's acting, pretending to act in good faith that he's going to release the passengers, which he does. A single airline employee , approaches the rear stair door with the money and parachutes, Cooper checks everything over and then releases all passengers and two flight attendants.

[0:22] Those left on board are the pilot, the first officer, the, , what's it called? The flight mechanic.

[0:22] Jared: I don't think this was engineer.

[0:22] Jenn: Okay. Flight engineer.

[0:22] Jared: Okay.

[0:22] Jenn: And one. Flight attendant.

[0:22] Jared: Oh. Hopefully the one making his cocktails. Poor decision. If it wasn't,

[0:22] Jenn: I think he's done drinking. I think he needed a little liquid urge.

[0:22] I'm gonna need

[0:22] Jared: another drink if I'm about to, you know, do what he's about to do.

[0:22] Jenn: At this point, the P sits on the tarmac for another two hours while all of this is happening. And most passengers, even though they sat on the tarmac another two hours after circling for two hours, still had no idea that anything untoward was going on.

[0:22] One said, I figured something strange had happened, but a hijacking that didn't even occur to me. Mm-hmm. How very professional all of the crew acted. I think that's really cool that they kept calm, cool, collected. Like that's, that's some professionalism. Yeah. Yeah. I would've been hyperventilating.

[0:23] I would've been asking

[0:23] Jared: questions after this long ago. I.

[0:23] Jenn: What the hell is is going right, right. What the hell is going on? Yeah. Let me off the plane. Right? They're like, man, sit down.

[0:23] Jared: It's a phone.

[0:23] Jenn: Don't tell anyone. At roughly 7:40 PM with just five people aboard, Cooper gives specific instructions for the next flight. Head towards Mexico City. Keep altitude at 10,000 feet. Dem all external lights on the aircraft to the lowest, legally allowable level. I find that one really interesting because he wouldn't have been able , to know.

[0:23] Yeah. He, you can't see the outside lights from

[0:23] Jared: Right,

[0:23] Jenn: right. The cabin.

[0:23] Jared: Yeah.

[0:23] Jenn: That's, he's very self-assured.

[0:24] Jared: Yeah. , He's, I guess he's just done his own personal research of what he think is a step necessary. I don't know. Think

[0:24] Jenn: so. Dim the lights. I should tell him to dim the lights,

[0:24] Jared: right? Yeah,

[0:24] Jenn: they're gonna do it.

[0:24] I have a bomb. I have a b. Keep working on that. All right. Speed. No more than 200 knots. Keep landing gear down and flaps at 15 degrees. Rear stair must be unlocked and capable of manual deployment. He, he knows this plane. Yeah. Yeah. Right. He clearly is very knowledgeable about this specific plane. And aviation in general.

[0:24] Between 8:00 PM and 8:11 PM they fly into rough weather. It's still cold and rainy and there is a cloud cover. And at that height, 170 mile per hour winds.

[0:24] Jared: Well 'cause I was thinking about different winds, but at 10,000 feet. Yeah. It's not, , you'd be a little bit cooler air, but I doubt the wind, little wind speeds a bit. DII don't think the wind. Well yeah, but I don't think the wind speeds would be that drastic.

[0:25] But again,

[0:25] Jenn: I'm not a

[0:25] Jared: meteorologist.

[0:25] Jenn: You wish you were.

[0:25] Jared: I'm a part-time meteorologist when something, when storms are moving, you guys,

[0:25] Jenn: guys stop. If there is a weather event,

[0:25] Jared: specifically a tornado,

[0:25] Jenn: that's true. But I'm telling you what dude, when there is a storm, this guy, this guy is like, the wind's picking up and then he, and then he look and then he is like, he's like, that's a lot of red.

[0:25] Jared: Yep.

[0:25] Jenn: There's a purple in

[0:25] Jared: there. Yep.

[0:25] Jenn: Then, you know what's purple then you know it's more rain ha

[0:25] Jared: hail.

[0:25] Jenn: Oh, really?

[0:25] Jared: Same. That's why. What do you think I'm paying attention for? See, I just prove my point. Somebody's gotta do it.

[0:25] Jenn: Your car is in the garage. Why do you care about hail?

[0:25] Jared: So anyway, yeah. Oh, you wanna move on?

[0:25] I am a part-time meteorologist. I just wanted to get off the fact that, , you're saying my old man stuff. Oh, look at this.

[0:26] Jenn: The weather's getting rough out there, guys.

[0:26] Jared: As I said the other day, the grass is really getting greener sooner this year anyway.

[0:26] Jenn: I know. And I looked at you and I was like, are you fucking kidding me?

[0:26] Like, is this the grass is getting greener, guys? Oh my God. I don't know why I went into like goofy voice. It's not what you sound like at all. . 8:11 PM The light on the cockpit panel flickers, it indicates that the AF stairs have been deployed. The crew feels a bump. This is what they did in the.

[0:26] Documentaries. , The cabin pressure shifts, , they, but they can't look back. They can't see anything because, , Cooper has instructed the pilots to leave the cockpit door closed. Oh, okay. So they can't see anything. Yeah. They don't know what's going on. And by the time they land in Reno, yeah, he's right in the wind.

[0:26] He's gone. Yep. He's outta there.

[0:26] All this time, the FBI has already began to mobilize. They have, , deployed resources on the ground to track the flight path so that they can potentially try and get 'em in the act now how they're gonna, the entire, there's, they have to be at spots along, along the path, so that probably isn't very helpful.

[0:27] They also deploy. Two F 1 0 6 delta darts. Okay. Which are interceptors.

[0:27] One T 33 Trainer jet, and one Lockheed C one 30 that could track from a higher altitude. This sounds great because they're deploying four planes for air surveillance. However, the 7 27 was flying low and slow as instructed, and the quicker planes that were deployed had to continuously, . Loop and circle around to match back up with the air speed.

[0:27] So their visibility was very, very little. And remember, , Cooper had asked for all of the external lights to be dimmed as well, right? So it makes the plane a little bit harder to see. It's cloudy, it's rainy, it's nighttime. , They didn't see a thing. Nobody saw anything, right? They just have that little bump at eight 11 when the light flickers.

[0:28] That's all they know. But they were able to pinpoint that spot at the very least, okay. , Retroactively, because they had to get to Reno first, and then that's when , they told the authorities about the bump. Okay? This is just bump all.

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[0:29] Yeah. Yeah. Unconfirmed. All notes that he had written during the interactions on,, airplane stationary and napkins. Those were all taken. He took those all back. He requested them back, possibly his drink glass from his bourbon, because that's gone. His boarding pass and ticket stub are gone. And him himself, he took himself.

[0:29] His whole body jumped outta the plane. Hmm. What he left behind and evidence recovered was the tie and the tie. Clip eight Raleigh filter, cigarette tips, his cigarette butts, and two parachutes. , He left on the plane.

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[0:30] They lifted hundreds of partial prints from the aircraft, tray, table, cup, and seat area. But. They were all partials, which I found that interesting that they didn't get one full fingerprint. They were all partials. That's odd. That's interesting. And it didn't match any known criminal in the databases at the time.

[0:30] Okay. , They did have witness sketches that I showed earlier. They have the serial numbers from the money that they handed over, and then they have the visual search , of the ground search that they are getting ready to deploy what they weren't able to do. DNA is still, , about two decades off. Yeah, a little under two decades off.

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[0:31] The man home begins. , The FBI begins a massive ground search in the dense forest of southwest Washington. The FBI calls this nor Jack. Northwest hijacking and it is one of the largest and most resource intensive investigations, the FBI ever launched up until this point for a single unknown individual.

[0:31] Interesting. Okay. Okay. Yep. They deploy paratroopers dogs, helicopters, and as we know, aircraft surveillance and absolutely nothing is found. No parachute. Nobody. No briefcase bomb. Fuck all.

[0:32] Jared: Like a fart in the wind.

[0:32] Jenn: You're so eloquent. It's just every time heart palpitations it came from a

[0:32] Jared: movie.

[0:32] I can't remember which one that is. Ah, now I'm gonna bog down this.

[0:32] Jenn: I'm pretty sure it's not a movie I would watch.

[0:32] Jared: Yeah, you did it. , oh, I know what it was. It was Shawshank Redemption. It gone outta here. Like a fart in the wind when they couldn't find him in the cell.

[0:32] Anyway, go ahead.

[0:32] Jenn: Objectively. I know that that is a really good movie. Yeah, I am aware of that. Cinematically. Hmm. Beautiful. I don't like it.

[0:32] Jared: Yeah.

[0:32] Jenn: I can tell it's a good movie, but I'm bored.

[0:32] Jared: Oh, okay.

[0:32] Jenn: Through the whole, until the end when he escapes and I'm like, I'm not.

[0:32] Jared: Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. It's a fantastic movie.

[0:32] Jenn: And I would also never say the phrase

[0:32] Jared: right. Yeah. I agreed. Thank you. It's not, yeah,

[0:32] it's your lady like,

[0:32] Jenn: oh, I am.

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[0:33] , They are near the Columbia River shoreline at a Sandy bar called Tina Bar just north of Vancouver, Washington. Brian is digging a fire pit in the sand when he comes across a decaying package of rubber banded bundles of cash. Okay. He pulls 'em out. There are three bundles of $20 bills. He has just found $5,800 in the sand.

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[0:33] After nearly a decade, this, the theories exploded. Yeah.

[0:33] They've now found money from one of the most infamous hijackings that have ever occurred up until this point. So theories abound. How did the money get there? There are three theories, most likely theories. Number one, Cooper buried it intentionally. He jumped, he made it. He thought we need to misdirect or bury the money and come back for it later.

[0:34] Come back later, right? Yeah. I can't hike outta the woods with 22 pounds cash. Right.

[0:34] The problems with this, , the location is very remote and exposed. Nobody buries money in sand near water.

[0:34] Jared: Yeah,

[0:34] Jenn: that sounds You're not a pirate.

[0:34] Jared: No, no,

[0:34] Jenn: you are not a pirate. I

[0:34] Jared: think that it's, , I could run with that and the fact that one, if it, if it was dark, if it was still dark when he buried it, maybe, , he didn't know exactly kind of where he was, or two, he didn't really give a shit.

[0:34] Just he needed to bury it. Period. I'll take my chances

[0:35] Jenn: maybe. Maybe it was Why just $5,800 though?

[0:35] Jared: Eh? No, I agree. That's

[0:35] Jenn: less than 3% of the ransom money. Right? It seems very, very strange. It's weird. No, it's weird. It's very strange.

[0:35] Jared: He left it for a buddy. I don't know.

[0:35] Jenn: That's a good buddy. Yeah. I have never left $5,800 for a buddy

[0:35] Jared: worked in redemption.

[0:35] Jenn: Touche. I have no response to that theory. Two, the money floated down river from a failed jump. Okay. He's flailing, parachute doesn't open, or it does, and somehow he Right. Yeah. You know Sure. Because he drops the cash. Right. He didn't have it properly secured. Right. And uh, it falls and somehow lands buried in Tina Bar.

[0:35] This is not. Uh, possible.

[0:36] Jared: It's not

[0:36] Jenn: close enough to the jump site. So here is the originally suspected landing zone of somewhere he fell somewhere in here along the flight path. Tina Barr's over here. Yeah. It's nowhere near that.

[0:36] Yeah. Some say it could have floated down the river. The problem is the river flowed the other way. Uh,

[0:36] Jared: well, I was going to say also, I think that if you, to your point, were flailing and there would've been other money found, like meaning bills, like just loose bills, whatever, , it's not like he was in the air flailing and he is like, here's $5,800 in that bag.

[0:36] Yeah. Right.

[0:36] Jenn: Yeah. Well, the thought is it all, but I feel like if it

[0:36] Jared: flu out of the bag, you would've found Exactly.

[0:36] Jenn: Would be like, I've seen. Parades where they throw confe. I'm going with the confetti thing here. Oh, okay. It's the same, like it's just sky confetti. Right. It goes like, there's no rhyme or reason to it.

[0:36] It doesn't stay together.

[0:37] Jared: Correct. Or especially in a high wind like that, it's gonna blow any, blow anything apart. Yeah. Like that.

[0:37] Jenn: Yeah. It's gonna,

[0:37] Jared: it's gonna be loose bills.

[0:37] Jenn: Yeah. I don't, or maybe it fell to the ground and busted open. Sure. Then it busted open. But again, it couldn't have gotten from where he jumped to Tina bar.

[0:37] Yeah. The, the location doesn't make sense. Yep. So it had to have been purposefully placed there.

[0:37] Jared: Agreed.

[0:37] Jenn: And that's theory three. It was, it was planted there. Yeah, it was a clear misdirection.

[0:37] Jared: Oh, okay. I'm with you. Sorry, I didn't catch that. Yeah,

[0:37] Jenn: he landed and either got out of there and came back to Tina Barr later, or he hikes with loafers first.

[0:37] Right. To team. Probably not floaters. That's a anyways.

[0:37] Jared: Yeah,

[0:37] Jenn: yeah, yeah. So what happened to the money? What did the FBI do with it? Obviously they seized it after, , the family reported it, the bills were analyzed and documented. Brian Ingram was allowed to keep part of the find. Years later, he was given back $2,800 after a legal battle with the FBI.

[0:38] They sued to get the money back saying finders keepers, obviously the FBI was guys, it's a open investigation. Well, yeah. , The

[0:38] Jared: money should have gone back to the FI This should have just given him some type of,

[0:38] Jenn: I still have to say finders keepers to, to a certain extent, they don't need all of that money back.

[0:38] Jared: Yeah. But you also said it was badly decayed.

[0:38] Jenn: Well, to that point, , over the years, , Brian Ingram has auctioned off several of the bills and gotten thousands back in return. Oh, okay. So he got back.

[0:38] Jared: That's, actually cool. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize that.

[0:38] Jenn: So was Cooper lore.

[0:38] Jared: Yeah, I did. Well, I didn't realize.

[0:38] Yeah, that's actually smart. So,

[0:38] Jenn: yep.

[0:38] Jared: Yep.

[0:38] Jenn: Years later in the two thousands, , the Black JC Penney clip on tie left behind was recovered, and in the late two thousands, the FBI finally tested it for DNA. It's actually interesting to me that they waited this long. Mm-hmm. Because DNA became available in the late eighties.

[0:39] Jared: There were more pressing cases. Probably , this case had come and gone. That's my opinion.

[0:39] Jenn: But it was still open.

[0:39] Jared: Agreed. But there were other cases open. I'm sure there were hot, uh,

degraded and incomplete. , In: 1971

[0:39] Right. And they probably didn't store it right very well. Right. It wasn't kept in, in the cold or, or so who knows? , It is often referred to as a partial DNA profile. Okay. Probably one of the biggest frustrations of this case is that we know we have DNA can't do anything with it. There's not a whole lot that we can do with it.

[0:40] Yeah. Furthermore, this is, this really gets me. They found the Raleigh cigarette tips and the cigarette butts left behind. They threw them away.

[0:40] Jared: Not the best move. 'cause there really could have been. A lot more than just sweat. You're talking saliva, sali, you're talking everything. You can get a full DNA

[0:40] Jenn: profile from saliva.

[0:40] So that's interesting. They, yeah.

[0:40] Jared: Yeah.

] Jenn: To be fair,: 1971

[0:40] Jared: but just that's just ash trash. It just adds to the craziness of the story, though.

[0:40] Jenn: Yeah. That, that really gets to me. I think about, I think about that a lot. I wonder if we could retest the DNA.

. We,, it has progressed from: 2011

[0:41] Jared: Oh yeah. Yeah.

[0:41] Jenn: Significantly.

[0:41] Jared: Yeah. Maybe they'll get to it one day.

[0:41] Jenn: There are more pressing cases is what I hear.

[0:41] Jared: That's what I think.

] Jenn: In: 2011

[0:41] It went all out with that name. Using electronic, microscopic and x-ray analysis, they discovered unusual particles embedded in the tie, titanium, strontium, sulfide, and sirium, which is a rare earth metal.

[0:41] Jared: Okay?

[0:41] Jenn: These are not everyday workplace particles. These can be found in aerospace manufacturing, chemical engineering, high tech metal or electronics production. One theory is that he may have worked at or near Boeing, which had facilities in the region and used all of those materials.

[0:42] Okay. Okay.

[0:42] Jared: I've forgotten about that. 'cause again, I know we talked about that. I've seen half of the documentaries you have, but I don't remember all the details

[0:42] Jenn: and

[0:42] Jared: so it's relearning. Right.

ol is that they found this in: 2011

[0:42] Jared: Right, right.

[0:42] Jenn: That's so cool to me because that tells me the first documentary documentary that I watched.

[0:42] Didn't have that information in there. Right. Right. We're learning new things every day. Yeah. All right. Theories, not suspects The working theory. For most experts is that Cooper was either a former military paratrooper or cargo jumper.

[0:42] Familiar with the 7 27 from troop transports, could have been a civilian skydiver with deep technical understanding. He could have been someone trained in aviation operations, not necessarily military, but I mean, this is, , in the middle of the Vietnam War, right? So there, there are plenty of vets there with some experience that might be going around a little disillusioned and angry, right?

[0:43] So that the, or he could have just known somebody in any of these different,, professions , or backgrounds. And he could have just. Got all the information out. Got it. Was like photographic me right. Memory or that's what was in the paper bag. It was his notes.

[0:43] Jared: Oh yeah. Right. Bag of notes.

[0:43] Jenn: Sandwich or a bag of notes.

[0:43] Jared: Right. Clearly one of those.

[0:44] Jenn: What was in the paperback?

[0:44] Jared: I think it was his lunch.

[0:44] Jenn: Hmm. You never know what happened to Dan Cooper. We have three options. I don't tell me what you think yet. Okay. Okay. We're just gonna go through the theories talking about what we think happened. That's at the end. We gotta get through the suspects and the theories.

[0:44] Okay.

[0:44] What happened to Dan Cooper? We have three options. Number one, he died. Jumped out of a plane, hit the ground. Yeah. In some fashion, this is the most traditional FBI theory. , They believe this because he jumped in the pitch black over remote mountainous terrain in the freezing rain with no visibility in loafers, right?

[0:45] He didn't have a suitcase. He had a attache bomb and a paperback. There's no hiking boots and paperbacks. The winds were very high at the time, and it was 36 degrees Fahrenheit on the ground, right? Not to mention what it was at 10,000 feet. I didn't do that calculation. Still it's cold. It's just above freezing.

[0:45] He wore a suit and loafers. Loafers again. . This is, I don't think he's, if he was bear grills, I bet he could survive in a suit and loafers. I love that guy. I, it just occurred to me, I bet you bear grills could survive in a suit and loafers.

[0:45] Jared: You're acting like he didn't. Yeah, we got there. Yeah, that's true.

[0:45] Jenn: We haven't got there yet. And then he jumped with a non steerable sport parachute and a dummy reserve shoot. All of these come together in that either the shoot didn't deploy properly or it did, and he broke a leg and froze to death within hours.

[0:46] Most people don't buy it. This is the FBI's main theory, but most people don't buy it because there's no body, there's no shoot ever found. No briefcase, nothing. $5,800 is found on Tina Barr, which is nowhere near where he would've landed. Most people don't believe this. Yeah, probably. Yep. I, I haven't talked to most people.

[0:46] Okay. All right. Now I had to look this up a little bit because I was like, why haven't they found a body? I have seen one documentary where they like TRAs through the woods looking for anything. They've got metal detectors and all sorts of stuff. They never found anything. But I had to look up why wouldn't they find something in the last 40, 50 years?

[0:47] 'cause that's just crazy to me. , For one dense terrain, the Washington wilderness is vast. Yeah. Forest gorgeous rivers ravines. It, it's, it's it's rough terrain. , Even the terrain search team wasn't able to find absolutely anything buried in the brush or trapped under a log. , Whatever that may be. , The search was delayed by days before they had calculated the search zone of where they thought that he jumped out and where he possibly could have landed.

[0:47] So if something happened to him in the jump, that would have allowed wildlife to sort of step in and Yeah. I

[0:47] Jared: wasn't thinking about that. Do their thing.

[0:47] Jenn: So, which, you know, brings me to scavengers and animals, which could have taken care of a body in the woods.

[0:48] Jared: Yeah.

[0:48] Jenn: Viscerally, surly.

[0:48] And then the reason that the parachute or the briefcase were never found is, , it could have ended up at the bottom of a river. There are,

[0:48] Jared: somebody could have taken it.

[0:48] Jenn: Yeah. Possibly. So that's theory one. He died theory two. He survives, he takes the cash. He's in Costa Rica, right? Or somewhere else.

[0:48] Wherever. Yeah. He's not caught. , This is the folk hero theory, right? This is what everybody wants , and really keeps the case alive. , It's believable because he obviously had very clear tactical thinking. He was very well prepared, he was very knowledgeable, and he was extremely controlled and calm throughout the entire ordeal.

[0:49] This seems like a guy that knows what he's doing

[0:49] Jared: right, that his good fortune and his approach to everything, and therefore his good fortune just kept on going,

[0:49] Jenn: kept on into the sunset, if you will. , Obviously he knows about parachuting, he knows about planes, means some people. You talked about earlier, jump outta planes for fun.

[0:49] Yeah, that's nuts. Yeah., Don't jump outta planes. That's not on my bucket list. No. I'd have a heart attack before I even got out. Like I'd immediately jump and just because, because I'd panic.

[0:49] Jared: Right?

[0:49] Jenn: Because it's, , I would Too scary, , if this is true, this suggests that he landed, hiked out of there and either changed identities and fucked off to Costa Rica, or he lived quietly, like you'd have to learn how to launder money,

[0:50] Jared: right.

[0:50] It'd be a lot of work.

[0:50] Jenn: Or never touch it. And why a lot of work

[0:50] Jared: for only $200,000 or as well. So

[0:50] Jenn: of note, at the time, that was $1.5 million in today's money. Okay, so that's not a

[0:50] Jared: Yeah.

[0:50] Jenn: Tiny,

[0:50] Jared: yeah. Amount of money. That's actually more than I would've figured. Yeah.

[0:50] Jenn: It's a lot of money. I wouldn't be sad. I could do some things with $1.5 million.

[0:50] Sure. I couldn't do everything I wanted to do in life, but I could do some things. Yeah.

[0:50] Theory three, he survived. He lost the money. Okay. Flinging around. He didn't secure it. Right. It flies out of his hands at 40 miles an hour, whatever. And , he loses it, the money breaks free, scattered somewhere. Maybe Tina Barr,, he lost his gear, maybe. He hobbles out of the woods with one shoe and a broken arm.

[0:51] Jared: Yeah. And lives his life out As lives his life. Sad manager. As a bowling alley. Bowling alley manager. Yeah.

[0:51] Jenn: Why a bowling alley? I don't know.

[0:51] Probably not a fun job.

[0:51] Jared: Just going with the story here.

[0:51] Jenn: Oh,

[0:51] We're going to go into the suspects, assuming that he made the jump at this point in time before we. Let's decide. Okay. How we wanted decide. Who could it be? We're going to start with Kenneth Christensen. He was a former paratrooper in World War ii, longtime Northwest Orient Airlines employee as both a flight attendant and a mechanic. He lived modestly in Washington state. He was familiar with the Boeing 7, 2 7. He knew about the rear stair mechanism.

atch his northwest salary. In: 1994

[0:52] Ah, Kenneth allegedly told him, and I quote, there's something you should know, but I cannot tell you. And he died.

[0:52] Jared: Hmm.

[0:52] Well, that,

[0:52] Jenn: that could

[0:52] Jared: tragic,

[0:52] Jenn: that could be a confession for anything. That

[0:52] Jared: could be

[0:52] Jenn: I am Dan Cooper.

[0:52] Jared: Yeah.

[0:52] Jenn: I slept with your wife. Right, right. I unalived murdered a man.

[0:53] Jared: Right. It could be anything. It is.

[0:53] Jenn: I'm like, there is something you should know, but I cannot tell you.

[0:53] Jared: It's good acting.

[0:53] Jenn: He had no confirmed alibi for the day of the hijacking, but no hard evidence tied him to the case and the FBI never considered him a prime suspect. Okay. Cooper was described as mid forties, five 10 ish, 170 to 180 pounds. Christensen was 45, but he was only five, eight and 150 pounds post hijacking life.

[0:53] He lived a quiet and reclusive existence. He left behind a modest estate and some claim he kept suspicious newspaper clippings,

[0:54] Jared: so he not, he's an odd dude no matter what.

[0:54] Jenn: He's a strange dude. He's a strange dude. But is he Dan Cooper, right? Yeah. Next we have Robert Rack Straw. He was a decorated Vietnam vet paratrooper with explosives expertise and a pilot. He was also a known conman and serial liar. He was known to have multiple fake identities.

[0:54] And he was tied to several fraudulent schemes that include forged credentials and military records, check fraud, possession of explosives, grand theft, murdering his grandfather, borrowed a plane and faked his own death.

[0:54] Jared: Okay,

[0:55] Jenn: this guy has a lift.

[0:55] Jared: Well, he, he's, yeah, yeah. Already have a negative about him though.

US Dishonorably discharged in: 1971

[0:55] Jared: I would agree to that. It's, it just, there's no match there.

] Jenn: In: 2016

[0:56] Jared: Okay. Okay.

[0:56] Jenn: He's cool.

[0:56] Jared: Yeah. Yeah.

[0:56] You go Rick Shaw and Rack Straw

eah. In any event, he died in: 2019

ive months after this one. In: 1971

[0:57] Okay? Yep. Similar techniques. Exited the stairs and everything. Same, same thing. , He does have an alibi for the Cooper hijacking. He was in Utah with his family on Thanksgiving. Family's not the best alibi.

[0:57] Jared: Okay. She helped. Yeah,

[0:57] Jenn: if you did some things and you needed an alibi,

[0:57] Jared: you would hope they would cover up for you.

[0:57] Jenn: I would cover for some family, right? Not all right. It depends on who you're Yeah. Not, not a good, not a great alibi. Uh, also the composite sketch doesn't match

[0:57] Jared: well. He is also young. He's very young.

[0:57] Jenn: He was arrested for the copycat hijacking, , convicted, went to prison, escaped prison with a dental impression that he used to make a fake gun.

[0:58] Jared: Okay.

a shootout with FBI agents in: 1974

[0:58] so these are our suspects, right? So assuming he made it, yeah, we're gonna make that assumption. Okay. Right. Now, who, out of these five guys, who do you think is the most likely suspect?

[0:58] Jared: So I just have to choose from these five guys.

[0:58] Just

[0:58] Jenn: these five guys. I think

[0:58] Jared: it'd have to, , the most logical would be, , Kenneth, Christiansen. Yeah. Just because of the, his pilot and his, working with, , the aircraft and he looks, he does fit at least the profile from the picture we have, , lives in the area. , Yeah, that's about it.

[0:59] He knows a lot about airplanes.

[0:59] Jenn: He knows a lot about airplanes. He does. He does. I'm gonna go with the FBI on this and say that if he made it, it was Richard Floyd McCoy Jr. He recreated, I think if he made it out. Yeah. He lost the money or he gambled it away. Sure. He doesn't seem like a solid guy. Yeah.

[0:59] Jared: Or he just beared it in a lot of different sandy places and

[0:59] Jenn: then forgot because he was.

[0:59] I don't know. So

[0:59] Jared: you think he was a, you think it was him and he just repeated it until he just repeated it. I mean, he did

[0:59] Jenn: the same thing and technically he almost got away with it the second time.

[0:59] Jared: Right. No, I, I agree

[0:59] Jenn: with you. And then he escapes prison.

[1:00] Jared: Yeah, he's crafty.

[1:00] Jenn: He's crafty guy. He's crafty.

[1:00] Crafty guy.

[1:00] Jared: Right. I'm okay with that.

[1:00] Jenn: Yep. Yep. Now let's, let's, let's talk about what we actually think. Do you think he made it out? Do you think Dan Cooper jumped and made it?

[1:00] Jared: If I had, , I am not like sold, but , and I know probably by watching different things and listening to this, that I've had many different, or,, one side of the fence to the other.

[1:00] But if I had to say, I really do, actually, I think that there was a great chance that he made it.

[1:00] Jenn: You think so? I

[1:00] Jared: do. I do. How,

[1:00] Jenn: I mean, there's challenges,

[1:00] Jared: right? , The a hundred mile an hour plus you're jumping out of a plane at two. Oh it, , can destroy the body , and all of that. But, , but again, I, I think I've never been skydiving.

[1:00] When you are skydiving and you're going down, you're going at great speeds faster than what I assume, even faster than what a prop plan is going probably way faster. Your body falling to the earth, I don't know. So the body can main, , withstand a lot of things. , There would be great challenges, but I think it could be done.

[1:01] You

[1:01] Jenn: think so?

[1:01] Jared: Yeah.

[1:01] You don't

[1:01] Jenn: splat. Okay. I think he made it.

[1:01] Jared: Yeah.

[1:01] Jenn: I think the, he chose to. Parachutes one, which was difficult to maneuver. And I think any, he probably could have done that if he was an experienced jumper. Yeah. The other was a dummy. He might have done that on purpose. He was calm and collected, so that's entirely possible.

[1:01] But the, it was dark, it was rainy, it was yucky outside. There was no visibility. He jumped in loafers. I can't stop going back to that. He jumped in loafers in the middle of a forest.

[1:02] Jared: Understood. But if in the rail, but if the, if the main thing is that if he doesn't go, the only reason he goes splat is if the parachute doesn't open,

[1:02] Jenn: let's say it did open.

[1:02] Jared: Okay,

[1:02] Jenn: he's in the middle of a forest. That shit got caught in a tree.

[1:02] Jared: It could have,

[1:02] Jenn: now he could have cut himself down, certainly.

[1:02] Jared: Is that what was in the paper bag? A knife.

[1:02] Jenn: That was, he had a knife in the bag.

[1:02] Jared: It was to cut the sandwich. With the sandwich. Right.

[1:02] Jenn: He had a knife and a sandwich. Right. He ate the sandwich.

[1:02] Took the knife. Right.

[1:02] Jared: Okay.

[1:02] Jenn: And then he could have, even if he got stuck, but if he got stuck in a tree and cut off the, cut off the parachute, he fell and broke his leg and froze to death.

[1:02] Jared: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

[1:02] Jenn: I think

[1:02] Jared: it would've taken a lot, lot. Highly unlikely. I agree. It would look, it would've taken a lot.

[1:02] I'm just saying that it's possible.

[1:02] Jenn: Oh, it's possible. And frankly, I think that that is what I want. I want the, the anti-hero right here to, to, to win and make out with all the cash. And take a, take a flight. You don't have to, you don't need your id. You get on a flight to Costa Rica. Right. Oh wait, international flights, they did have to have an id.

hundred bucks to buy a car in: 1971

[1:03] Jared: just think they haven't been found 'cause of the territory and the Yeah, I mean,

[1:03] Jenn: a body in the forest that's, that's lunch.

[1:03] Jared: Yeah, sure.

[1:03] Jenn: Yeah. And in theory, somebody could have found a parachute in a Washington Forest decades ago and gone, huh?

[1:03] Jared: Right.

[1:03] Jenn: And just went about their day, like, that's weird. Went

[1:03] Jared: back to their cabin in the forest and actually has no knowledge of anything like this. So, yeah.

[1:04] Jenn: Yeah.

[1:04] Jared: Yep.

[1:04] Jenn: Yep. I, I think he, I think he split.

[1:04] Jared: No, it makes sense.

[1:04] Jenn: Yep. I have to go with the, I don't want it, but I have to go with the most logical, to me that's the most logical.

[1:04] Jared: Yeah.

[1:04] Jenn: Probably is.

[1:04] Jared: Yeah. I'm not changing my, but it probably is.

[1:04] Jenn: No, you don't have to change it. It's okay. You can believe what you wanna believe. That's It's possible.

[1:04] Jared: Yeah.

[1:04] Jenn: Not plausible.

[1:04] I'm not

[1:04] Jared: like one of those guys that goes, oh, it happened. You know? No. A case like this, you couldn't No, no.

[1:04] Jenn: Ultimately, , DB Cooper went from a criminal to a cult hero. Right. This case has been studied for decades, , not just by the experts, but by web sleuths. Yeah. It's, it's, it's a fun case. , He's not famous for what he did.

[1:04] He's famous for vanishing in the thin air Sure. With some money. Sure. That's, that's, that's compelling. , He tricked the system, drank a bourbon, and jumped into legendary status. There you go. That bourbon gets me bourbon and soda. It's

[1:05] Jared: disgusting.

[1:05] Jenn: You like bourbon,

[1:05] Jared: not then soda. That's horrible.

[1:05] Jenn: I don't, it's classier than bourbon and coke.

[1:05] Jared: Sure. Not as good tasting though.

[1:05] Jenn: And I don't know , most hijackers at the time were political or desperate. And I think that DB Cooper was just a very calm, unassuming, quiet dude that got on a plane and then disappeared. Yeah. I, I think that's just really, he's, he's the, he's the criminal people root for.

[1:05] Jared: Okay.

[1:05] Jenn: He is. Yeah. No, it's not like Jack the Ripper. You don't want that guy. He

[1:05] Jared: did it in a very classy way. Like again, he didn't cause a story, didn't hurt anybody. He did it for his purpose and his purpose only. Everyone else, you're fine. Yeah. I'm just gonna take my money and I'm gonna,

[1:06] Jenn: I can respect that.

[1:06] Jump outta

[1:06] Jared: this plane. I I

[1:06] Jenn: can respect that. Damn the man.

[1:06] Jared: Yeah.

[1:06] Jenn: Take the cash.

[1:06] Jared: Yeah. Right.

[1:06] Jenn: I started to say take the gun, leave the cannoli. That's what almost came outta my mouth. I had a, I had a godfather moment somehow.

[1:06]

[1:06] Jenn: Final reflection. The man, the myth, the loafers.

[1:06] Jared: The loafers. Like it. Yeah.

[1:06] Jenn: Nice.

[1:06] Jared: Yeah, it's a good story.

[1:06] Jenn: Yeah. He, bottom line is though, I mean, just, just kind of circling back a little bit, is that this guy, whoever he is, whether he lived or died, he hijacked a plane that's a felony at the federal level.

[1:06] , He totally shook up the system. I mean, very shortly after this is when America had had enough, they implemented security measures that frankly should have been implemented before. But that aside, , you had a society that was exhausted from war, from lies, , institutions that are failing them. , I could make some correlations today.

[1:07] Keep going on that. , But I still think people like a good story. They want the legend to be true.

[1:07] Jared: We wouldn't be talking about it if that wasn't the case.

[1:07] Jenn: They want the legend to be true. Right. So I think that's interesting and all, but I don't think he really is a legend. I mean, he was quiet and methodical.

[1:07] That's certainly true. But if he's hijacking a plane no less for $200,000, this guy's probably in debt. He prob he's 45. He probably has indigestion. Like he is, he's wearing loafers. I can't stop talking about the loafers. Yeah, he jumped out of a plane and anyways, I, I just don't think he's. A mythical legend.

[1:08] I think he's just a normal dude that puts on pants every day.

[1:08] Jared: Yeah, agreed.

[1:08] Jenn: It's just he's not special and he's probably not interesting. We've made him special and he certainly wasn't brilliant. Yeah. We've made him special, which is, I don't, I think that says more about us than it says about him, but I

[1:08] Jared: think that's also okay.

[1:08] And again, in this sense, if it was, , I keep, , this, if this turned out to be more of a tragic event, I'd be troubled by it. I'm, , I'm not, this is, , something cool and fun to think about.

[1:08] Jenn: Yeah. Yeah. I, I hope he got away. Yeah. I hope he's in cost. Costa Rica. I mean, he's probably dead. I hope he died in Costa Rica.

[1:09] You hope his

[1:09] Jared: body's in Costa Rica? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, when he lived his life out there. Yeah.

[1:09] Jenn: Yeah. So that's it.

[1:09] Jared: Okay. That was a good one. That was a good one. Yeah. What'd you think? I did? I liked it. I liked it. I should have, I should have been able to guess it. I didn't. So, um, yeah, it was good.

[1:09] Jenn: It's a pretty classic gin.

[1:09] Jared: It was case. It was,

[1:09] Jenn: yeah.

[1:09] Jared: You're intrigued by it. And I always have been. So, uh, and it's always a good story to me.

[1:09] Jenn: That's fun. So,

[1:09] Jared: yeah.

[1:09] Jenn: Did you learn anything today?

[1:09] Jared: I was reminded of a few things.

[1:09] Jenn: Yeah. You didn't learn anything? I

[1:09] Jared: probably learned something, but I,

[1:09] Jenn: You learned what a knot was.

[1:09] Jared: Valid. Valid,

[1:09] Jenn: yep.

[1:09] Jared: So, yeah.

[1:09] Jenn: Yep. You wanna do it again sometime?

[1:09] Jared: Sure. You think we can keep this going

[1:09] Jenn: indefinitely?

[1:09] Jared: Ooh,

[1:09] Jenn: there are thousands of cases we can talk. I haven't even gotten to ancient Egypt.

[1:09] Jared: No, you haven't even, no. We're gonna save that on the back burner for a bit.

[1:10] Jenn: You're not looking forward to that one.

[1:10] No,

[1:10] Jared: I'm not. Yeah, no. Yeah. So this is fun.

[1:10] Jenn: It was. Okay.

[1:10] Jared: Until next time,

[1:10] Jenn: appreciate it. Until next time. Okay. All right,

[1:10] Jared: bye. Bye.

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